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  1. I wouldn't say I obsess over it and I wouldn't say it's omnipresent, but because I read a lot of Stoicism and just I think it's right to pause and say Who knows, right? There's going to be an expiration date And if it happened tomorrow, have I done the things I wanted to do? And am I the person I wanted to be? And I think it's important along the way to check those things.

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  2. I'm a huge fan of Stoicism, right? I read a lot of Stoicism. I think Ryan Holliday has done a great job of bringing some of that back into the forefront. It's just Really thought provoking to me and rings. A lot of it rings just hits me and says, I think that's right. And that memento mori thing, which is, hey, we're all going to die. So you should contemplate it. There's a finality to this thing. And so I think if you can rightly frame that between fretting about it every day and being afraid and being so laissez-faire that you think you're going to live forever It'll influence some of the decisions you make, it'll influence the way you attack things and hopefully the way that you live your life. So yes.

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  3. So make sure you have a good journey, and especially coming out of COVID, I think telling people that you care about, that you care about them and maintaining and cultivating your friendships and relationships, and they're not just transactional, right? And making sure that someday when you're laying there, you can say, yeah, I was a good family member. I was a good friend. I was someone that could be counted on. I think all those things go into the mix of however you want to take the journey.

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  4. I haven't seen that yet. I haven't experienced that yet, but yet you still have to function in that world. So, you know, I think that that resiliency thing is very important. And then... Putting yourself out there, right? Because if you play scared and you're always afraid to fail. This is probably a dumb way to get to the end of the podcast, but there are times, especially I'm out west, I love the big sky out in Montana, Idaho, places like that. And when you look up at night, it's almost like I've never seen anything like this before There's no light pollution, so to speak. Sometimes when I look up, the most daunting problems that I'm experiencing, I'm like, those things have been there for a billion years or whatever, and I'll be gone and it doesn't. The most famous person on earth 200 years ago. So it's pretty fleeting.

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  5. Don't want to lose touch, I think, with being well read and understanding and standing on great thinkers' shoulders and learning from those works. And then I also think that there's resiliency and then there's grit. And I heard someone say one time that those are slightly different. And I'm also, I know that there are all kinds of challenges in life, right? That are tragic, that are unfair. There's no question that's the world we live in. But for me personally, to try as much as possible not to be in the victim mindset because unfair things are going to happen. And, you know, we all want to live in an idealistic, just world. That should be. What we aspire to.

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  6. And besides the big ideas, I'm going to change the world. I'm going to innovate. I'm going to do all those other things. I also start, if I'm giving any advice, which we can debate whether or not I should be giving advice. But just in terms of, well, let me start with this. Are you a good friend? You be counted on? Do you do what you say you're going to do Are you accountable to what you sign up for? And do you hold others accountable? What does all that look like? And then I think it's being as intellectually curious and well read as you can be. We live in a world that is designed to distract you. And being able to sit with your thoughts or go on a walk and think deeply about something and not just surface area. You text me. I text you back and we decide the fate of the world based on a couple of text messages or something.

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  7. Exactly right because if you have those absolutes, there are many decisions that come into focus very quickly because, hey, that's not for me. Or, hey, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to do X, Y, and Z.

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  8. You know, we talked earlier about intellectual honesty, and to me that's the first step of just saying to the best of your ability, who am I and what's important to me and what do I want to do and accomplish? You can start with that and develop some sort of rules based philosophical here's what I'll do, what I won't do. And that way you can be flexible and pliable and you're going to need to be. But if you still have a compass that tells you Hey, at least I know this is the path I'm going to take. I think that's very important.

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  9. And the access again, as I alluded to, we didn't have anything when I was growing up, but I would pour through the box scores. I was a huge Yankee fan and Steeler fan and feeling some ownership of that, right, that I could read the boxcore and relive what they did and occasionally see them on TV and feel like I was part of that celebration when they won and everything. It's a very powerful thing.

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  10. And I think that you do have to think beyond the, you know, certainly not just dollars and cents, but just. Sports is a very big deal in our society, and it has to be, I think, held to a standard That's not just were we profitable this year? That's their other businesses for that. It is certainly a business. I don't mean to romanticize to the point that it's not, but to me it's more than that, or at least my experience has been that it's more than that.

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  11. That is one thing that I can say unequivocally. And I only have the experience that I have. But one of the things that I'm so proud of about the way the Steelers conduct themselves is, and that's the Rooney family, that's the legacy of the Rooney family, is asking constantly about what's right for the league, what's right for the players, what's the right thing to do here? And that's something that I would hear Mr. Rooney say all the time. So I think that legacy is important because ultimately the team belongs to that city, right? Belongs to those fans. And, you know, the owners of the custodians of that. So, I think. And when you realize what sports teams mean to the fans, the memories that it creates, the bonds that it creates, it's a responsibility.

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  12. I don't have to think about it as a business. Right, exactly. I'm a minority owner so I can think about it almost as a fan. But I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah.

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  13. Stand back and in some ways be dispassionate and not be a fan, right? I'm on the baseball Hall of Fame board and one of the guys that's on the board of me is Jerry Reinsdorf and I think it was Jerry who said if you act like a fan you'll be sitting with him which I thought was kind of funny.

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  14. I think the hardest thing about professional sports, right now it's Individuals getting paid money to play a sport, which is different than it's certainly different than amateur. And, you know, the decisions that are hard is when you get to know somebody who's a player on the team and either they're at the end of their career or you need to go in a different direction and that person who's done everything that you've asked, you know, whatever the coaches have asked of that person and you get close to them and then when they when they have to be traded, released or whatever happens, it's sad. And being able to

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  15. Set of rules and there's a scoreboard. So at the end of that game, it says, and you can make excuses about the refs or this happen or that happen. Know at the end of the day, did you go out and compete? And when you went out and were a competitor, how did it work out? Right. And the simplicity of that and the purity of that is something that I always have been drawn to.

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  16. Yeah, well, look, it's an incredible game because there's nowhere to hide, right? You're out there on the field. It's a great game that requires not only all those attributes that you said, but it's incredibly complex game. So if you don't know what you're looking at and you don't understand how complex defenses are trying to disguise what they're doing, offenses are trying to overcome that, and you can set up one play the entire game. But a team that plays well together knows their plays inside and out, knows their assignments inside and out, can overcome and beat a more physically gifted team because of that, you know, work, that aspect of working together. One of the things that I always loved about sports is just you're out there. There's a

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  17. Just beyond surreal. And, you know, it's amazing to be able to do. I mean, the Rooney family is one of those most revered in sports for the way they conduct themselves. Mr. Rooney passed away, I think, five years ago now, and we lost him, but was a champion, helped build the league. I mean, put the league as we know it together. More importantly was a civil rights champion who created what we now call the Rooney rule to make sure that we're being fair about giving minority coaches a chance to get hired. And just as one of the most kind and amazing human beings I ever met.

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  18. I've been a lifelong fan and was very fortunate to meet Mr. Rooney. The Rooney family started the team in 1933, got to know him and just was asked to be part of the ownership group. I think it was the end of 2007. First year as part of the group in 2008, we won the Super Bowl. And it was like... Beyond surreal

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  19. Yeah, the helm Look, I've bled black and gold since I was a little boy. I grew up in upstate New York. And the first football game I ever saw was the Steelers in the Super Bowl. It's a really little kid. And it just, I mean, Jack Lambert and Joe Green and Franco Harris and those guys were like, came down from Olympia, Mount Olympus or something. And I just was enamored with the team. And because we only had three channels, the only time I'd get to see him is occasionally when they were the game of the week or something. And I just loved to me what they stood for, the toughness. And they played football, the way that I thought was great. I was a huge Jack Lambert fan, our Hall of Fame linebacker who just intimidated everybody.

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  20. Look, I'm a huge Freddie King fan, too, right? And you listen to these guys and they're Sit there and they're like, man, you're playing in a small range on the neck. And you know, if it's like, I know the notes you're playing and I'm playing them too, but not like that, right? I mean, it's, and Gilmore is certainly one of those guys. It's incredible guitar players.

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  21. If I'm going to play the lead, it's a certain kind of feel. Slow blues is probably my favorite. To play or something that's got a little more of that Chuck Berry drive where you can be rhythmic in the lead. The shredding thing that those guys do is that's not.

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  22. You got to have that in my other guitar player, Johnny Bob, he's a phenomenal. I mean, like a legitimate guitar slinger. We probably split the lead 70 30, and he is just, you know, there's times sometimes I look over at him and I'm like, I'm being a fan right now because what you just laid down is pretty good.

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  23. And especially. What's great with Trey is I write for his voice. Then we have these amazing backup singers that are just, and I can hear all of it, I just can't do it. And so I'd say to. Our stuff, there's a song called Half My Fault that I play in OpenG that just, I love playing the song. I love that energy. And then we have a new Blues album coming out. And there's a song called Baby We're Through. And it just stays on the one. And for non-musicians, that means in a lot of rock and rollin' blues, it's what's called a 1, 4, 5 progression from your kind of root note. And you would hear if you're a non-musician, if you heard it, you would be like, oh, yeah, that's a lot of songs. And this song just stays on the same groove, like LaGrange or Shake Your Hips or any of those songs. And it's just got this unbelievable energy and it's fun to play. But I have to keep the same rhythmic thing going for the whole song

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  24. I'm neither talented nor do I have the desire. And I think if you come see the show, you won't see a microphone anywhere near me.

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  25. Yeah. This is where I want to be. And then start kind of writing it out. And again, I just have to know, am I writing from a character's point of view? Am I writing about someone or something? You know, as like the narrator. And, you know, what is this person? Are they happy? Are they sad? Are they, where are they in life? I don't know if all that great writers, I'm sure, would say, why don't you just write? You don't need all that. But that's for me, that's my process. I'm not.

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  26. But, you know, for me, it either starts with a riff, just something that I think is an interesting. Riff or tone that I can kind of sink my teeth into a little bit. And a lot of times I'll write a title. And love a title and then start to.

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  27. Of free time. I'm a boring guy because I don't drink. I just figure I can screw things up plenty on my own without adding anything.

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  28. Most of them are yellow with black, and then they got into different configurations. But there's something. I have a 51 telecaster that I play in OpenG and on songs about OpenG that just, again, there's something. Know, and I'll take all the help I can get in terms of making it sound great. So I'll try to find the magic ones.

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  29. They do. I personally don't. I go, you know, I don't have many pedals. I use a clon, an old, you know, vintage clon. Straight into the amp

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  30. I have my main guitar. You got to name your guitar. So my main guitar is named Hazel. And it's a 59 less Paul. And there's something magical in that year, like a Strativarius. And they're just. Something different about him. So I play that and then I play it through. Sort of my main rig is either a 59 fender twin or a 65 Marshall. And then when we're on the road now, because when you use older vintage stuff, you just got to be super careful with the tubes and everything. It has to be reliable. So very nicely, the guys from Tu Rock sent me some of their amps and they're really, because I don't use any new stuff. But the Teroc stuff is pretty great. So that's actually what I'm

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  31. Follow The amazing thing to me is if you look back at Leo Fender and what the Gibson guitar company and Les Paul did in the 50s, those are still the shapes and the perfect thing today, right? The Strat and the Telecaster.

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  32. We were shooting on a Warner Brothers soundstage for three days when we called it the summit where the three of them came together. And the two things on Jimmy starts to play the riff from a whole lot of love. Edge and Jack ceased to be rock gods or whatever and had the same 15-year-old kid feeling that I did. You could see in their face. And then at the end, they're like, hey, can we play? We just want to, we don't want to go. Can we just play something acoustically? So we printed out the lyrics. That's what they wanted to play. And they just sat there and sat on those couches and just.

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  33. Amazing experience. And the edge, one of the kindest human beings you'll ever meet in your life just an amazing person. And I think you hit it right on the head with Jack is he's got that energy and constantly pushing himself. But it's hard to believe it's been, I think, 10 or 11 or maybe even 12 years since it came out

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  34. It was one of the coolest experiences ever. And one of the things, there was a moment where Jimmy, he was going through his guitar case and he had the double neck from stairway to heaven and he handed it to me and I was like, mm-hmm.

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  35. But it was those three guys. And it was just such an incredible experience to sit there and get to know Jimmy Page. And he was like Gandalf, man. He was like always.

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  36. And so I called a friend of mine, Davis Guggenheim, who had directed inconvenient truth, and I think still is, but at the time was the biggest documentary ever. And I called Davis and I said, look, I have this idea. I want to make this movie about the guitar, about different eras and styles and whatever. But I've never made a documentary. I don't know how to do that. So I was just looking for advice. And thankfully, because he's one of the best documentarians ever, Davis is like, you know what? I can't get this out of my head. I'll direct it. Which was amazing. And we wrote three names down that represented different eras and different styles. Rarely do you get, you go three for three.

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  37. Well, look, one day I came downstairs and the Rolling Stone magazine is sitting there and it was the 50th top guitarist of all time, their list. And then I had some other financial report with video games and the top video game at the time was guitar hero. And then there was a third thing I can't recall, but I just said to myself, what is it about the guitar that is so central? The rock and roll, whatever you want to call it, like why is that the symbol? And I said to myself, I want to ask Jimmy Page why he picked up the guitar because he's Jimmy Page, right?

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  38. Emblematic to me of Certain type of music And I made a documentary years ago called It Mike It Loud. With Jimmy Page, the act

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  39. Maybe, you know, one of the great moments, at least, of my childhood was. Back to the future. And watching Michael J. Fox plug in And then at the end, play at the dance to save his parents with Johnny B. Good. Pretty awesome.

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  40. He's super famous, but no, he's in his voice. I also have the privilege of getting friendly with John Fogarty. You know, John Fogarty and CCR fame, and he's another one that's just Way he phrases things, and you just look at the catalog of stuff he wrote, amazing talent. I read Bruce Springsteen's book and I'm a fan, but after reading the book, it was really, you go back and listen to his lyrics and Way he pours himself out is pretty incredible. And then again, with the old blues guys. I just think the emotion they could get out of. Playing like staying on the one, right? Just playing the same rhythm. John Lee Hooker, you listen to Manish Boy by Muddy Waters. And it's just. There's something so it just draws me in every time, and the emotion they're able to get out of things. And I'm also a huge Chuck Berry fan.

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  41. Just blows me away And then with the older guys, B.B. King, Hubert Sumlin, Clapton, Clapton's. I saw him on his last tour and just walked out on my just like unbelievable how he still sounds. So

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  42. Because even to this day, I don't care technology pedals, whatever. He just somehow fused with the instrument. I can't be sitting here in Austin, Texas without mentioning one of the great guitar players of all time in Stevie Ray Voth.

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  43. You got a little bit of a hybrid with Jimi Hendrix, right? Because he played the Blues and he played rock and roll. So I think most guitarists would say Jimi Hendrix was pretty ridiculous.

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  44. It just seemed like kind of a normal day, but it was the company you were keeping. It was the time in your life. It was whatever it was. And I just kind of struck me that right now, we're doing stuff that you're going to reminisce about later that seems kind of ordinary. But you're like, man, that was such a great time. So the idea is be in the moment and all that stuff. But these are the good old days and enjoy it and soak it in and kind of be present for it.

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  45. Especially during COVID and reflecting on what normalcy looks like and what happens when you're cut off. I just was kind of taken with this idea of that when you sit around and reminisce with friends, oftentimes It's not just like some big event happened. It's remember that summer we'd go up to the lake all the time and it's who you were with. And at the time, it probably seemed pretty pedestrian.

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  46. Are just cool, right? It's And so, you know, I write our music and lyrics. I have to tell a story. I have to know the characters in the song. I'm not good at just writing some rhymes and having it match up to the right key and the right music. I have to understand that's just me. And so I think that, look, if you have three or four minutes to tell a story, you have to be more efficient with your use of language. And you have to understand what you're building to, if anything, and evoke emotion and hopefully for those three minutes get the listener to understand not only the point of the song, but where you're coming from and to make you feel a certain way. There's a song that the audiences seem to like a lot on the new album called Good Old Days. And I wrote that because

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  47. Story, yeah, and there's certain people and jagger and Mick Jagger and Keith Richards are in this boat. Billy Gibbons, they just say things in a certain way.

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  48. Exactly. So I always thought that's such cool lore. And I just love the blues. So Robert Johnson would often would talk about hellhounds on his trail. And so I always just thought, what about Ghost Town? So that's, I wish it were a more clever, deeper story, but that's about it for the name.

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  49. And so I put this band together and called it the Ghost Hounds because, again, huge Robert Johnson fan and that legend of Robert Johnson selling his soul at the crossroads in exchange for his musical talent.

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  50. Yeah, I mean, I could hear it. And what they call you play. So by right hand, The rhythm side of it is, that's probably if I have anything, my strength. But there's something pretty amazing that happens when you get together with other people and play a song. In that moment where it hits the pocket. And you all kind of know it, and it just such a cool feeling. And it was interesting growing up because I was, again, I always had eclectic interest. So I loved math and physics and science. So I had those friends and I was an athlete and played football and baseball and basketball. So I had my jockends. And then I had my music friends. And so it was just kind of that. So when I was still living in Los Angeles and had... Legendary, I just missed playing.

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