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Tim Phillips

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first: 2016-06-09
most recent: 2016-06-09
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“Yeah, forever. I loved you, by the way. I want Well, it was an honor to be at a suit for politics. Usually it takes decades to get critical mass in an academic setting, and you guys have accomplished it in just a handful of...”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is how far is one side going to go and this side to left in pursuit of an agenda that has questionable environmental utility at this point, but that actually harms the everyday lives and infringes upon the everyday lives and prosperity of tens of millions of Americans, most of whom are the poorest and the most vulnerable in our society.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was in China for the first time last October with my wife, and it was hazy and cloudy, as they call it, but it was pollution And so I was thankful that we have based some baseline regulations in this country that give us clean air and clean water. And in no way have we called for dismantling the core regulations that give us good. But they have to be enforced. Well, and that enforces them too. The big debate going on right now.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“David, just one moment on First Amendment. I can tell you, I actually appreciated the president's remarks. Was it at Rutgers? I think where he spoke about the need to continue free speech on campus. And this is wholly unrelated to the five. Yeah, I agree with that. I'm not playing games. I mean that. That was something that good for the president, for standing up and listening. I appreciate that you and I are sitting.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I accept them. I know you. I've known you for several years now, by the way. I've been to the Ernst Institute on Politics, which is one of them. Which is much appreciated. Which is one of the best program great presenters. But what Lois Lerner did.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, I think there are. Look, the IRS thing, so many people are frightened of an agency that powerful deciding for political reasons to get involved. That was one of the most horrifying episodes that we've seen, and it had a chilling effect on a lot of folks, even though at AFP we don't have to disclose our dollars. It frightened a lot of people. Also, you have a California case right now where the Attorney General of California has tried to force Americans for prosperity foundation to disclose some of our donors to the AG's office there. When politicians get involved with digging in more and more, there's always a sense from a lot of folks that there are ulterior motives there. And both parties have been guilty of this, by the way. I think about the Nixon years. There were some abuses there.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you have the most feared agency in the country, the Eternal Revenue Service, that it certainly is clear to us that they targeted American citizens based on their political beliefs, and they blamed it on some Cincinnati office. And when in reality, we believe it looks like it was a far-reaching assault by folks within the IRS. And that has a chilling effect. You have other groups worried about agencies attacking them on regulatory grounds. There would be a chilling effect if you had to have every dollar disclosed. And this IRS be disclosed?”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We believe more speech is better than less speech. And so if you go back in Google us and George Soros, you will never find us decrying George Soros being involved. He has every right to spend hundreds and millions of dollars, which he does, every right to do that. He's an American. He has every right to do that. We would never decry an American, whether it's giving 50 hours a week of their time or 50 million of their dollars on the left or right or somewhere in between as part of their First Amendment protected free speech efforts to.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I disagree. I think it's important year-round every year to have free speech rights that are rock solid for every American to be able to go out and hold these politicians accountable. I disagree. And we do it year in, year out. I tell you this. In 2009 and 10, we were spending millions of dollars trying to stop those Obama folks from passing Obamacare. And so now if we use it, is it suddenly political because we're doing it in 14 or 16? No, we've done it for years. We've spent more money as an organization trying to roll back government-run health care after its passage and trying to stop it from being passed before it passed. I bet any organization in the country. And so it would be weird to say all of a sudden, well, wait a minute, it's September, so we're going to deem that political speech when for years it's not been political speech. That's arbitrary, and I think it infringes on First Amendment rights. So I strongly disagree with you there.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Again, though, and I'm not, this isn't some kind of just doublespeak. You're like the man, though. You understand all this stuff. We are not in any way integrated with the Republican National Commission. Even in 2012, I'll give you a quick example there. In 12, we advocated the defeat of President Obama with our television effort. And we did digital ads and TV ads about, I don't know, 35, 40 million dollars there. But our field effort was an issue education effort. And so I probably had a little bit of a little”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We can't in any way integrate with him, though, David. We really can. I mean, from a compliance fashion, even if we as a C4 chose to do an express advocacy. I'll give you an example. In 2014, we decided to take our field operation in some of these states where there were Senate races and make it an express advocacy effort. And so we were advocating in places like Arkansas, the defeat of the Democrat there and places like North Carolina, Cahagen, the former senator there. We were directly advocating. But even then, while doing that under the law, in no way, shape or form were we allowed to integrate or talk with or coordinate with the Republican candidates in those states. We have to be very understood there. Understood.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We're staying out of the presidential pointial effort at this point. We've never made a firm never statement, but we're out at this point.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“For the first time we're seeing the impact of the of an infrastructure applied in a professional way over a long period of time. And that's what is so exciting to me about being a part of AFP, David. These campaigns are important, but they come and go. Our goal is to build the most professional, effective infrastructure. And I know I'm geeky in this regard, but that's what gets me excited. No, listen.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not going to try to make production what he's doing. You're as good an expert on that. I'm not, David. I am absolutely not going there. I'll let those guys speak for themselves. I'll just focus on AAP. One thing you mentioned when we were talking about the size of our organization, just very briefly, because it's to that organizational point, I do think that a lot of these state victories on the policy front and”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But there are hundreds of candidates across the country. And I think about some of the things Hillary Clinton says, they're outrageous. I mean, it's funny to hear her talk about news conferences, the tone or tenor, when she hasn't had one in, I guess, six, seven months now. And so every politician can improve their tone. So I'm not going to try.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Governor Martinez is someone, and we have a lot of respect for. And we urge every elected leader out there or every person who wants to be an elected leader, to have a tone that's worthy of the nation that they're hoping to serve. So we say that to everyone. And this is not, and I'm not singling out one person. I'm really not one.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, excuse me. Yes, we are. And Republicans there have been wobbly, and in the end they held up and did the right thing. And then the stadium battles trying to end the federal funding, or excuse me, the state funding for the stadiums there. And then, yeah, now maybe in 2016, we will consider being involved in an express advocacy effort. We make that decision on a case-by-case basis.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They do, absolutely. Absolutely. Maybe just one quick example on that. This year and over the last year in Florida, one of the biggest battles has been Medicaid expansion. So our staffs and grassroots volunteers were actually focusing on Republican state legislators because they have a big majority. You're fighting chambers.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not prepared to say anything. I've learned to be more careful in that regard. I mean that in a literal sense, not trying to be cute. So we're looking at these states. We've already undertaken some express advocacy efforts. Places like Ohio. We look at former Governor Strickland and Senator Portman. There's a massive difference on the issues there. We've already gotten involved with everything, television, grassroots in an express advocacy fashion. Other states that we're looking at, places like Wisconsin, you mentioned Florida. Florida is our biggest footprint. David, we've got 16 filled offices at Americans for prosperity across Florida dozens and dozens of staff and thousands of volunteers. And by the way, we don't ramp that up based on an election year. We'll have those, you know, God willing those offices next year. And so it's a permanent long-term effort that when we seek to build up a state.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Pristine year. This ain't a pristine year. I mean, the impact of Trump, one thing I've learned over the last 15 months, frankly, is to be more humble about making predictions on what is going to happen. So the impact that the presidential is going to have in four months.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Republicans have an incredibly difficult map this year. You pointed out the blue states, seven states that Obama carried twice that Republicans are defending this year. So they have a very difficult map. So even in a pristine year, the challenge of them holding the Senate would be a big one.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of choice for these kids. We've got more than we've ever had before. And that is something we're excited about. And so when people say to us, oh, are you guys really are folks getting a bang for the dollar? Maybe they give you, at the federal level, it has been frustrating. I'm not going to sugarcoat that. At the state level, it's been a once in a generation renaissance of freedom and economic policy successes that we believe are making people's lives better.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'll just say this. Our goal from the beginning has been to build a local state-based organization that if it came together to do a national effort occasionally, maybe on a presidential every four or eight or twelve years, but the core focus was on the local and state level. And we've done that. I do think it's made a difference on the policy front. I mean, we've had states that are now right to work, Michigan and Indiana, prevailing wages have been ended, which drives up construction costs in a lot of states, tax cuts in about a dozen and a half states that have been real. Think about a state like North Carolina, David, where they've cut about $4 billion, $4 billion in income taxes in the last three years. Education reform. Today, more kids have choices and their parents have more choices despite the best efforts these government employee unions to protect the teachers and stance the flow of”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We have invested before and we do a lot of issue education work. We sure do. And I think about as frustrating, and David, just something you and I have talked about, as frustrating as the federal level has been for us, and it's maddening to us. I mean, the Democrats going way over to the left in our view, the Republicans, who knows what they're doing a lot of the times. At the state level, though, in the last six years, it's been one of the revolutionary renaissances in economic freedom and prosperity policy that's been enacted. It's been something I haven't seen since the late eighties, early nineties.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We have full time staff in 35 states in every kind of state imaginable. You know, they're battleground states like Florida, Ohio, but deep red states like South Carolina, Tennessee, blue states like Illinois. So we're in every kind.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The left doesn't want to give it to the average person. What they want to do is create new government programs where an army of government employee unions, most of whom are making over 100 grand a year.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Why, our job is to go out and talk to the American public, get them whipped up, to then go talk to their elected representatives. So that's our job. I can tell you, though, David Coke is our foundation chairman, and they've been supportive of the Coke Brothers over the years. So I would suspect if they didn't like what we were doing to end government cronyism, they would try to rein us in. In fact, they've encouraged it and urged us to take a more aggressive role on government cronyism. I think the biggest difference on income inequality between the left and the right. The left assumes a static economic pie and they want to be the guys divvying it up. We believe we've got to keep growing it. If we don't get 3% or 4% growth, then we're not going to do what we need to do as a country. I think that's the biggest difference.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm talking about getting rid of the special tax breaks where people are getting money based on the industry they're in. I mean, I think about the oil industry. It's doing pretty, I know it's been a downturn, but they don't deserve or need special tax breaks that are based just on them being in the oil side. Just like green energy. I look at these wind and solar companies.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm sure they do. I can tell you they're separate from us at AFP, and we consistently have fought to end tax breaks and set-asides for oil companies, for natural gas, for yes, for green energy as well. We want a level playing field. Again, a lot of these movie studios, a lot of the groups that get the stadium money, these are very wealthy business men and women. And we consistently battle to end those special breaks for them. We want a lower, flatter tax rate. And we think that'll help promote more prosperity. And one other thing, I think one of the biggest differences we have with liberals.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We have one of those progressive income taxes in the world, David. I mean, I mean, it's at 30, what, 39 at this point? That's pretty darn progressive at this point, about 40% don't pay any income taxes at all. I would agree with you in the sense that tell me what number is reasonable, 70, 80, 90.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Who don't have the lobbyist, who don't have that power and those inside connections, that there's no use to even try. And they kind of give up on the American dream. And I think that is even more devastating because it starts to infect so many Americans. And so we very much believe this two-tiered society is a problem.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think this growing two tiered society in the United States is one of the great threats long term to our nation income others call it income inequality. We call it a two tiered society. And when you look at what the society that's doing pretty darn well and continues going up, what advantages they have, I think both parties too often work to give them additional advantages for political reasons, for fundraising reasons. You mentioned that earlier. And I think that one of the most insidious ways that happens and that you promote this two-tiered system is government corruption. We call it government cronyism. I think about all the tax breaks and the special giveaways that wealthy folks and corporations know how to get. And they have lobbyists who can help them get more. And I think that it does two things. One, in a material sense, it does make them richer. In many ways, it will be gotten gains. But two, it tells so many other Americans.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, when you look at the federal budget, I remember when Bush was first elected, a couple of trillion dollars. And today it's over $4 trillion. I mean, government spending has dramatically outstripped inflation. Now, I know inflation has been low, thank goodness, but it's dramatically outstripped it. And at a certain point, the reason we're so much for entitlement reform, beyond the fact that in a lot of cases they don't work very well. But even where they do work reasonably well, We've got to get them on a path to sustainability. I mean, my mom and dad are in their 80s now, and I want them to have that Social Security. They were promised and that hopefully for the rest of their lives, and I hope it's a long, long life, is there for them. But I think about people in their 40s and 50s, if we don't do something on Social Security, I don't have confidence that after them working a lifetime with a certain promise, that money will actually be there. That's a good question, though.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a long term effort. I mean, you don't turn something around as President Obama would certainly attest to in just a couple years. It's a long-term effort to build better underpinnings.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He certainly fought hard on this issue. He really has. I mean, there's only one Scott Walker in the country right now, I believe. I mean, if you look at just policy victories and what he's done for his state, I think Scott Walker is the best governor of the modern era.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, never. I We are we have an operation that's not as large in Illinois, but David Fromm, actually I'll be meeting with him next. He's our state director in Illinois, and we have an effort with a couple of field offices here across Illinois. We've been here for several years just working to build. We know it's a long road in Illinois, but we think we can change the state.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the old days, the left would have dominated the aftermath. But there was an infrastructure that went out and did its working Wisconsin TV ads and radio ads and bus tours, dozens of its working Wisconsin town hall meetings to win the victory. In other words, by reforms you mean wrong.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, no, I'm serious. We take compliance with David. We take compliance very seriously, very seriously. I'll tell you this about Scott Walker. Just one quick thing. When he did the reforms in 2011,”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Three years later, we're three years in, and there was a big, we decided to launch, we thought we were ready to take on our first big budget battle in Wisconsin against Governor Doyle. And we did bus tours and we did a big event at the Capitol, and we got steamrollered. We lost. So we're three years in and we're still losing battles. But again, they looked at the long-term value they felt was being created as slowly the muscle and sinew was put in across the state. We added our local offices, filled offices, built a volunteer base. And so we were ready when Scott Walker won in 2010.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's why we started there, yeah. But at the time, then Governor Doyle, very liberal, Democrat majority is in the House and Senate. But it was a long-term effort. And here's how long-term it is. And that's what I appreciate about the network or the organization of the people I work for.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We launched our first staffer and first office in Milwaukee in January of five, two thousand five. I'll never forget it, David. We were still learning. It was me, our first state director, and we had 16 intrepid volunteers show up. The day I picked was mid January of 05 On the shores of Lake Michigan. I was a Southern guy. I had no idea. I had no idea.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You did that not Around issues completely. Yeah. The first battle we were involved in was in Kansas. It was a tax increase battle. Then Governor Sibilius was looking to raise taxes in Kansas. Republican majorities in the House and Senate were looking at going along. And we engaged in several months long battle to see using grassroots means could we stop it. In North Carolina, at the time it was North Carolina was really more a liberal bastion in the Middle Atlantic. If you think back to then, and we fought mostly defensive battles there. Our fourth state, we wanted to go on offense a little bit. So we chose Wisconsin.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You're willing to invest in that. No question. We had an advantage there. We launched in 2004 three initial states, Kansas, North Carolina, Texas. We made every mistake a startup, or I did anyway, that you can make trying to learn how to attract volunteers, to build long-term local infrastructure.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Build something permanent that had a long-term focus. I remember being in campaigns and having ideas on something to try. And I wouldn't do it a lot of times because I would think, well, it may pay off in two or three years, but that's not going to help me this November. And so when I looked at the opportunity to be a part of an organization that would be long-term in focus, one of the key mantras that we are given is create long-term value. You better be about the business of, yes, short-term battles are important, whether it's a policy battle or sometimes an electoral battle if it's express advocacy. But even while doing those short-term battles, you better be creating long-term value for the college. It didn't hurt that you had a guy.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was intrigued, could you build a grassroots locally based effort around economic freedom and prosperity issues? It hadn't been done so much before. You had a lot of Christian right groups that have been able to do it, the NRA to an extent has been able to do it. On the left, you had any number of government employee unions, private sector unions, environmental groups. They're real, they're powerful, Liga Conservation voters, others. Deep, powerful infrastructure at the state and local level. When you look at the economic side, our side didn't really have that. You had a chamber commerce that operated at the state level, but they were often for government cronyism or other things we were not really for. And so I was intrigued by that. Could you build something over a long period of time? And I've been involved in campaigns, and you and I both know David, when November happens, you win or lose, you lick your wounds or hopefully celebrate a little bit, and then it's on to the next campaign. And I was hoping to be able to...”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I won't get into all the details, but I met some of the folks. Oh, come on, David. Give me a break. But I've been involved in the Christian coalition with Ralph as a consultant and just helping out and traveling with him.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was in the private sector, Ralph and I were at Century Strategy together. Founder. We launched Century Strategies together after he wrapped up his time at the Christian Coalition. We were doing campaigns and kind of government affairs work. I was more the campaign side of the business. And I met some of the folks who worked for Charles and David Koch. It was intriguing because I had been part of. Did”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“While we launched in two thousand four, it's actually the predecessor organization was a group called Citizens for a Sound Economy. It had been out there for a couple of decades. It was very active against Hillary Care in 1994. the BTU tax that the Clinton administration put forward. And so it fought a lot of those battles, but it ended in 2003. And Charles and David and other folks decided to...”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't want to put a percentage on it, but we're not there at this point. We're just not there with going in and being involved.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not going to try to define him. I'll just look at what we, the conditions we would need to become involved in something. All right, let me put this.”
2016-06-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 57 - Tim Phillips · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source