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Tolga Kurtoglu

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“I'm waiting for someone to come here and tell me about how the time machine is going or the invisibility cloak. People get away.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. So imagine your Tao phone and you know what it is and you can't remotely just trigger that and then it just kind of goes away.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'll give kind of we talked about security and price. I'll give one example from Park when I first saw it, I wasn't part of that group. A while back, I was like, wow, that's really cool. And that's self disintegrating electronic circuit, which is basically building a particular way on a particular glass-based substrate that you can then basically put a lot of energy in. And then you can remotely release that energy, trigger that. And then when it releases kind of completely disintegrates,”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Factor, if you will, is all right. I'll give you an example. When we had Regina Dugan when she was heading DARPA, she started talking about like a mock tan plane or something mock whatever that went across the world in 30 seconds. That was wow. That was like, whoa.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, I have, but this goes back to sort of being immersed in technology so much, the sort of the surprise element or the factor, if you will, is.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Financial data, other personal identifiable data and sensitive data and whatnot, but also on the physical or the cyber physical systems as well, right? So if you have an autonomous car, you don't want somebody to take control of that autonomous car and do whatever they want with it. Same thing with the drones and whatnot. So it's really fascinating if you just kind of go beyond the traditional notions.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think it's my prediction is only going to go up. We need to think about the science and technology that would then make our data, our workflows more secure and more private, as well as the personal data more secure and more private.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that was what Scott McNeille There is no privacy. Just get used to it or something like that. So, what does that mean? Obviously, we've seen cyber attacks. Let's finish up on that. You've seen all kinds of threats. The more we depend on these technologies.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is the risk, right? So, and then another area we're working on, that's exactly what it is, right? And then I think one of the biggest question marks is what does that mean with respect to security and privacy of people?”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It would be loaded with machines that can talk to you and that can interact with you. You can kind of think about how we have the Amazon Echoes and Google Homes at home and interact with them. And all of that data and all of that interaction would be delivered to people in a way that those agents understand the workflow, the tasks, the corporation hierarchy, and those kinds of things, and able to kind of deliver you personalized experiences given the tasks that you want to do. You are talking about.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Make reservations at the concert and whatnot, they can get done. So it's like these virtual agents and assistants surrounding us in real time and processing a lot of data that are coming from different sources to kind of really help us out. And I think the future of work is no exception to that. It's going to be a really interesting experience in that regard that the office spaces, whether similar to what we have now or radically different in different places, would be loaded with sensors.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Time travel or telepathy or what? I don't know if this is going to be kind of way, way out there, but I think the answer is kind of the intersection of those technological trends that are emerging. We think about the office place of the future and how that might look like, right? So it's most likely going to look like very different than the one that we have today. And it's also very likely, if you look at kind of the consumer space and how people interact with technology, there's a slew of sensors on our smartphones and other things with variables and our smartwatches, et cetera. And all the data that is coming from that sort of contextually processed. And I think the future is a bit where we all have as individuals these assistants, if you will, that would then help us with what we need to do. Like if you're trying to find food, you know, we can immediately get recommendations about that if you want to kind of”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Certainly. Let's talk about that finishing up. What do you imagine? You know, I've seen recently, I've been reading a lot of stuff around what the work that's needed in the future is, what the actual jobs and what's going on, a lot of them are elder care, child care, things that are pretty basic. What do you envision, will Xerox Park be looking at 20 years? What are the things, you know, right now we're doing that automation AI kind of thing? If you're thinking way out, what is it like time travel?”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And again, with that comes some certain level of responsibility, you have to kind of think about, you know, well, those are the positives, but what about the negatives And yes, I think this is an interesting moment from that perspective with all the advances in automation and AI and robotics and the kinds of things we talked about. There is the reality of jobs being lost and certain people being displaced from the workplace in a profound way. And I think that there's two pieces of perspective on that. One, we need to think about also technology and what opportunity it creates. So it takes away certain jobs, but it's also presents opportunities for different kinds of jobs, different kinds of skill sets to be significant.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Very close, and whatever happens happens. Well, I mean, we're all individuals and we think about what that might mean for the future because ultimately we want to impact the world in a positive and significant way.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, how do you who is responsible for that from a technological point of view? Because here you are saying, we're going to make this of the future, that of the future. What about the present? How do you deal with the present? Would you think about that as a research institution? And just forget it. Like we're just going to invent.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I had a really interesting back and forth with Mark Andreessen, who's one of the most prominent venture capitalists. And he was saying, well, when we went, it was better when we got to manufacturing over the farm economy because there was more jobs than ever. And I said, yes, but the transition. And he was like, well, there were blacksmiths and then there weren't. And I was like, yeah, but what about the blacksmith's family? What about the people? They bought food from. I think there was a great deal of social discomfort during that time that we utterly forget about, but was very profound at the time.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just to act in a different way. I think this is the first time they've really understood jobs, especially job elimination, because some of these technologies, it's not a photo app, it's not, you know, they sort of decimated media, certainly, but nobody, they didn't seem to care that much about that. But now it's getting to the heart of a lot of things. You know, when you're talking about automation, self-driving cars, You really move quickly through a large swath of the population and how you shift them. We just had an interview with Reed Hoffman and Mark Andreessen, and I just did another one with Reed.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Set of people that really understand and come with a certain level of responsibility, understanding the impact of what technology development means, what innovation means for the society here, but also for the world at large. And there are some people that simply don't think about that or just to act in a different way.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it does understand because there's not only the bad examples, if you were, but there's a fair amount of good examples that are coming out of Silicon Valley as well. I mean, through either philanthropic causes or some of the discussions that are going on off the top of my head, I'm trying to think examples. When you think about robotics and AI and automation and jobs, this whole notion in conversation about universal basic income, taxing robots and AI agents and really kind of creating VALT and value for the society at large, I think those discussions are happening. And you in trying to use artificial intelligence and machine learning for those causes and for those causes only. So again, this is not black and white in my mind in terms of Silicon Valley is all bad or all good. There is a subset.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, talking about respond, the grit comes great responsibility. Do you think people in Silicon Valley do understand the impact of their, you know, I had a really interesting Meeting yesterday with someone from Facebook who we had a large argument about their responsibility in the election, and obviously they were grappling with it. They're definitely concerned about what their impact is. That takes advantage of those fears about the future. How do you look at that? Or just still kind of like, do you think Silicon Valley has to do something to understand its responsibility? I”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Limited number of people. And then it comes down to sort of individual preferences and character as to how people deal with that. So that's certainly a risk. And I think there's also a danger of with great power and leadership comes also responsibility. So you really need to understand what that means and what you're changing the world, you're really disrupting major industries in profound ways. And you can behave in a way that then shows a certain character versus you have behaved in a way that shows that you do that with a certain humility. So again, I think what we're seeing is In the examples that you're saying, there's a potential to kind of be too arrogant about all of that and behave in ways that is not very productive for our culture”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So that's the happy case, but some things are starting to show what's happening at Uber is ugly. Sort of a nasty version of what's happening, it's arrogance, it's sort of the end of an empire kind of behavior. It's messy and sloppy and not at all these vaunted ideas. Yes. What's the danger to innovation in these cultures? Obviously, money is warping.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's hard to repeat elsewhere. And then there's a really interesting connection, which is the fourth factor, is the people of Silicon Valley and the culture here. Often when we talk about innovation, we talk about early adapters and laggards and the ones that follow, right? So Silicon Valley is full of people that are early adapters, that are dying to kind of try out the next big thing, right? So if you think about all the technologies that we use today in our daily lives from base to... Lyft and Uber and other things. You know, as they come out, there's already a cultural testbed, if you will, that are willing to really try out those things. So that's the happy case.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They moved on and they themselves became investors and mentors and they kind of educated the next entrepreneurial generation and that kind of continues. So there's a tremendous amount of know-how in terms of carrying on entrepreneurial ship and how to really think about technology and innovation and take it to the market and make it a success.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sure, sure. But I think it comes down to four factors. In my mind, there's access to capital, which we have with the VC community and otherwise, access to talent, with not only one of the two best universities, but more and all the world's talent want to be here in the valley. But also access to what I call entrepreneurial mentorship. And that's something that people often overlook. We had Fairchild, and if you go back to the history of Silicon Valley, a lot of those people that were influential in the formation of the valley and the Silicon industry.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Today, as we see in Internet of Things, in AI and automation, self-driving cars, and a bunch of other areas of robotics for sure, still the majority of innovation comes from the valley. The center of gravity is closer to our cost than other parts of the world. But clearly there is competition elsewhere in the world, right? So there's pockets of Areas and regions that either aspire to or that already have a solid base for innovation and technology development. And I think partly the continued leadership is continuation of a number of factors that kind of made Silicon Valley, Silicon Valley in the first place. And those factors are still there. In my mind, there are three or four, right? So people often ask such and such place would be the next Silicon Valley, or we want to be the Silicon Valley of X.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In terms of innovation and innovation leadership, I think Silicon Valley continues to be the word leader in innovation. But you're right. I think the pace of innovation has changed dramatically. And to a certain extent, I kind of make an analogy to kind of riding waves, right? So these innovation topics and areas come in waves. And when you're there in the water, you kind of have to catch on to that wave, stand up, and write it, and then you have to kind of think about what comes next and whatnot. So I think in terms of really defining what those waves are, Silicon Valley holds the leadership.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They do, and there are experts that really understand what you're trying to do and understand the supply chain and really connect that, right? So in this particular example, we build a platform that kind of brings that together for a particular domain”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Without the back and forth right there real time. And you can say if you were to go with this particular shop, this is how they would do it. Is how much it would cost and how long it will take. If you don't want to go with them, here's another alternative. And they have a different set of machines, different set of people, different set of processes, what have you. It's a different answer. So it really kind of digitally connects the supply in the industrial base with the”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So you basically say, I want this coffee cup to be made, and you can drop that on the website and it understands manufacturing processes through advanced AI in modeling and simulation algorithms. So it can actually look at the design and look at given a shop, it can use a virtual model of that shop. The process needs and simulate how you would translate that design into machining operations or instructions for that back and forth.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The complexity that they can retool it. Do I have the right machine, right resources, assets, et cetera, on my production environment that I can make that, right? So this process is a back and forth between design and manufacturing, which is kind of an artificial boundary in between, if you will, the designers, specify what needs to get made and then the manufacturing engineers really need to figure out how to get it made, right? So that translates into delaying the go to market, delaying the productivity of the machine shops and a bunch of other inefficiencies, if you will. So we developed a platform that kind of brings those two worlds together. It's a cloud-based service platform that really maps designs with supply chain capabilities.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sure. So I'll give an example from one of the technologies that we worked on recently is, for example, if you want to get a part mate manufactured for you, you have to typically have to kind of send out a request for code and you send a bunch of suppliers and they need to kind of look at that. They have experts that understand.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Manufacturing. Yeah, manufacturing is a huge area of interest for us because I think it has an enormous potential for disruption. Manufacturing is going through The digital transformation, if you will, that a lot of other industries have already kind of gone through and completed to a great extent. But if you look at the world of manufacturing, there's a lot of things that are still being done either manually or there are things that are still being done. Driven by expert and tribal and sort of tacit knowledge, if you will. And it is, I think, moving in a direction where with the emergence of these computational techniques and AI and data and other things, that it is on the verge of digital disruption. And that's what we”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Make judgment where computers can't. And that's again an area that we're working on. So that's what collaboration means in addition to what I talked about. And what about manufacturing?”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think the fast and the accuracy, those things are improving really rapidly and radically. The point I was trying to make is There's still the complexity in the world. There's still those corner cases, if you will, or cases that are very, very complex where humans are really good intuitively or experience-based to kind of look at the situation at hand.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Better people do get more comfortable in these situations as time goes on. I mean, that's the thing is at first you're discomforted and then the second later you're using it and then the third later you insult it. Like, it's not fast enough. It's not enough kind of thing.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Flows in a very, very different thing chaotic way, potentially, right? Or put it on a winding road, which is foggy on the countryside. I still trust it more than my mother. That should be fine. But again, I think there are these cases where because ultimately the learning is statistically based. The more data you see that represents the real world.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Fully autonomous versus, and I talked about this recently at a keynote, it's great. You can have a self-driving car on a perfectly sunny California day on a highway that's well marked and everything is kind of consistent with how you model the world. But take that same car and put it on an intersection in different parts of the world, you know, say Asia, where it's highly densely populated and traffic, you know.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we are indirectly, I would say, our own version of a self-driving car, but there are subsystems that would then support the autonomy that we're working on for the sensing technology, for example, for the radar technology and whatnot. There's a number of areas in which we develop new technologies that would then enable better sensing of the information that comes from computer vision and some of the work that we've done in metamaterials. That's got to be the most true.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You could make them a little rude in different places. So we'll talk about that in the societal impact and the responsibility of Silicon Valley in the next section. But what about self-driving? Are you guys doing stuff in self-driving cars?”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I trust that builds in, but I think the rate in which these algorithms are advancing now, there's going to be everywhere. I think it's going to be significant”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I was supposed to give my credit card information. And I was like, you know, should I really trust this? Because it wasn't the common way of really. But then you did. Then I did it. And I think with time is the adoption curve goes up and whatnot, there's a certain level of.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just Yeah, so it seems a distant past. But I remember, I mean, I remember very vividly, like, I think when I first moved to US, I was trying to do online shopping for travel.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, that's the problem, right? So again, I think as you push the boundaries of automation, I think it's likely, well, two things, as you push the boundaries of automation, it's likely to hit the barrier there in which everything is controlled by these things. Yes, well, that's the fear, right? Societal, it's a societal kind of interest. I don't think they already do that, don't we?”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Have they thought about it? Here are the assumptions that I made. Just like re explain. To others, here are the assumptions that I made. Here are the paths that I've”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thank you. Right. Exactly. Have a nice day. We want to enable is for these systems to explain themselves in a way that they”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And one way to get there is for these AI systems to be explainable. So imagine in an AI system that explains itself. So if you're using an AI agent to do a medical diagnostics and it comes up with a seemingly unintuitive answer. The doctor might want to know why. Why did you come up with that answer as opposed to something else? And today these systems are pretty much black box systems. So you put the input, it just spits out what the answer is. You have cancer.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And you can kind of stretch that to the extreme. At some point, there's going to be a huge issue with people really kind of taking the answers that the computers are suggesting them. Without questioning it. So this notion of trust between the AI agents and humans is at the heart of the technology that we're working on. We're trying to build trustable AI systems.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's precisely right. So you can actually prescribe or ask or inquire an answer from a computer. What we're talking about here is more of a symbiotic team between an AI agent and a human in a way that they solve the problems together. It's not one of them tells the other one what to do, but they go back and forth. And they can formulate the problem. They can build on each other's ideas and things of that nature. And it's really important because, as you mentioned, Kara, we're seeing significant advancements in penetration of AI technologies almost all the industries, right? The more there's going to be automation and AI in those, they predict which stocks we should buy, to which song we should listen to when our Uber service will arrive to everything in our everyday lives.”
2017-07-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Tolga Kurtoglu, CEO, PARC · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT