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Yaron Brook

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first: 2021-04-24
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“Right now, the only reason that it doesn't lead to violence is because people are afraid of even more violence and it affects many people, large numbers of people who don't want to go to war. But if you have small in a state where the states were small, in those little states, there was war all the time for exactly those reasons because the cost was lower, because it was more personal, because I knew maybe the person who was killed over there, and I went to my king and encouraged him to go to war.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All of that is defined first, and then there are massive innovations at the level of particular transactions, at the level of an eBay that facilitate increased efficiency. And that's great. But the fact is none of that gets developed. None of that gets created in a world in which I might be living under a different definition of property rights. eBay might be living under a separate definition of property rights. You might have a third definition of property rights. And there's no mechanism by which we can actually operationalize that because we all have a different system.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's where were we? So I believe that because we have a certain system of government, right, it allows for these private innovations to come about that facilitates certain issues in a much more efficient way than the government would deal with it. But it's only because we have a particular system that has defined property rights, that has a clear view of what property rights are, it has a clear view of what a transaction mean or what contract law is and eBay has a bunch of stuff that you sign, whether you read it or not.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So law is the context in which markets arise. You don't create a market because there's nothing above it in a sense. It is the context that allows markets to be created. Once you market it, markets fall apart. So you're”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, science. Science is not marketable. The science itself is not marketable. Sure. Science is true. And the same, I think, is in law. Law is not marketable. Law is the system that allows markets to happen. You need a system of law, whether it's private law in a particular narrow context or whether it's broader law. Law is the context in which markets arise. So one of the reasons we transact is we know that there's a certain contract between us, explicit or implicit, that is protected by a certain law, whether it's protected by a private agency. The government doesn't matter, but there's a certain contract that is protectable by the system, theoretically.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, security in the context of a legal system is, but this is the point. The legal system, the laws, are not a service or a product. They are a different type of human institution. Science is not a product or a service. It's a different type of human institution. There are different types of human institutions. Some are marketable. You can create markets in. Some you cannot. Law is not a marketable system.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not markets where you have substitute products, but this is the problem. The problem is force has no substitute. That is force is not a product you can have. So this is my fundamental issue about turning competing police forces. Force is not a product. Force is not a service. It's not a service and it's not a product.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, and the rationale originally was if I try him, in the meantime, he'll take that money and funnel it somewhere else and hide it, and I'll never be able to get access to it. And it was passed in the 1970s under the original seized laws were kind of RECO act going after the mafia. And one of the reasons I despised Giuliani as much as I do, and there's very few politicians out there that I despise more, is because he was the first guy to use Rico on financiers. And so it wasn't even a drug dealer. It was you were accused of a financial...”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“By the biggest gun, the party that has the more physical force, however that is mustered either by numbers or by weapons, is going to dominate. And we'll take over everybody else. Now, one of the things that's common in a market is takeovers. It's consolidation. And here the consolidation can happen through force. And you can roll other security companies. And that's exactly what will happen until you dominate the particular geographic area. Okay.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, today CEOs, yes. Yes, you might be right. Because I think that's what's rewarded for a CEO, is somebody who could get along with government. And I think the kind of CEO who is going to run a security company, which is not just about business, it's about the use of force, it's about control, it's about negotiation with other entities that are using force diplomat diplomacy. And we should get back to objective law because I think it's essential to this whole argument. I think all you get into is security agencies fighting security agencies. And again, the biggest gun. And I don't mean here the guy who has the biggest literal gun, the rocket launcher versus the guns.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, clearly guilty. And my insurance company looks at books and it goes, you know, I don't really pay this. And you know what? I've got bigger guns than his insurance company. And I'm just going to take over their insurance company. And hostile takeover takes on a whole new meaning when I can muster guns on my behalf than in a hostile takeover in a capitalist context. That to me is what happens. That to me is inevitable what happens. And I think this is where the delusion comes in. The idea that everything that when big money is involved and power is involved, remember, again, the same kind of politicians who today get into politics are likely to want to run some of these security agencies because they'll have a lot of power over people. So same kind of”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I destroyed Joe's voice, and my insurance company now owes your insurance company a lot of money. And let's imagine it's a lot of money just for the sake of it.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We can't use the state. Right. I mean, I'm as critical as the state as it is right now, maybe not as critical as you are, not as critical as you are. But I'm quite critical of the state as it is right now. But let's say we got into traffic accident and you have a Rolls-Royce.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Can I ask you just a quick question? Sure. Why couldn't a security force in a particular context say If you take stuff on that store, we're not going to have any problem with that.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, the state today has it, but I would much rather live in this state, much rather live in this state. Much rather live in many more authoritarian states than this than a place where there is constant violence.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There is no mechanism by which to make the violence illegal. So all anarchy is legalized violence constrained. You know, for a while and up until people stop that constraint by arrangements between the security organizations. But the security organizations have us by the balls, to put it, to probably figuratively, right? They really do.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you look at percentage of people, not just that, you can look at other stats. The percentage of people killed in war back then were far greater than the percentage of people even during World War II and World War I. So anarchy, and you know, David Friedman loves to quote the sagas of Iceland about how wonderful the anarchy. I mean, it's funny because a lot of people read David Friedman never read the sagas. It's worth reading. The sagas of the Iceland are filled with violence. Constant violence, constantly people killing each other over I stole your chickens and you slept with my wife. The only way to resolve disputes, the only way to resolve disputes was violence. There was no authority. There was no mechanism to resolve these disputes. There was a council, but the council couldn't enforce anything. So in the end of the day, we just resolved to violence. And this is legalized because there is no...”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not going to die in that hell. Popper said that, and I think it's ridiculous. These kings and queens were fighting constantly. I mean, the wars back then were violent in a way No, much more violent than now. If you look at the actual percentage of people killed in war”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And in addition, well, I don't want royals. Well, that's why sacrifice are pretty disgusting. And then on top of that, look, those periods in history are filled with violence. Much more violence than we have today. Much more bloody than they are today. Far less freedom than we have today in terms of individual fear.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, yeah, no, you go. No, but now we're talking about the law, what each view each position views as true and right. And it might involve, for example, it might involve the fact that the legal system has come to the conclusion that it's okay for children to have sex with adults. And this legal system thinks that is evil and wrong, right? And, you know, something has happened, right? Between the two, right? How do you resolve that conflict? There is no resolution. You know, this adult wants to have sex with this child. This legal system thinks it's okay. That legal system thinks the only way to resolve that system is through one system imposing itself on the other. An example of countries is exactly that. When you had monarchies, when you had little states all over the place, the way any kind of dispute was resolved when there were issues of territorial disputes or issues of marriage or issues of different legal interpretations of”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it gets codified because these things are complex and at some point it goes through all the arguments and then a certain truth emerges or certain proof is identified and that's what gets encoded in law. That's what the purpose of a legislature is. Now if you have competing mechanisms that don't converge on one authority because there is no one authority. There are multiple authorities. That is in a sense there are multiple governments or multiple systems of enforcement. Then you get not just something emerging out of it. What you get is competing legal systems. Competing legal systems that now have competing mechanisms of enforcement, competing police forces, competing militaries, however we want to define it. And now there's no mechanism to resolve that. Now yes, we could negotiate and there's goodwill and so on.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes. And in theory, I don't think the system works this way, but in theory, the way the system would work is that on new issues, there is some competition. Syria wasn't talking to you. Technology capital. Say, in theory, the system works, and this works, I think, with competing states, but also with competing legal views, particularly on a new issue. This is how common law worked, right? There's some evolution of it. And at some point, that gets codified into the law. And it gets objectified in that sense. That is, there's some conclusion that people come to this is the role in theory of a legislature and the legislature would be nice if it was composed of people who had some idea of legal philosophy.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's a big. I think some do. I'm not sure people like Hope do because if you read some of his stuff, one wonders, right? Once monarchies and he wants... No, he said monarchies.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because I think at least the same place. I really do. I think at least the Gulags. Fine. I think Anaki leaks the Gulag. And I think Hoppe's view of anarchy definitely leaks the Gulag.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Somebody's dumb. You can yield into that because they don't have to deal with the concrete that actually happen. This is an example I gave debating another anarchist.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And as I said, and as I said on the show, on the previous interview, I said only smart people can be anarchists because it requires a certain level of abstraction of being divorced from reality that is hard for people who are actually connected to reality.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think you're a delusion. I think you're delusional, and I'm going to give you the benefit of a doubt of being delusional. Okay, good.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The comments are going to be overwhelmingly on your side. I don't know because people like honesty. No. I think the anarchy position is completely dishonest”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it's just a good, well, it depends how many rockets I have in the rocket launcher and whether I'm willing to use them. But that's, but now it's democracy because there are more of them that they win. Look, any one of these scenarios. All it does. So let's go back to the store. This is fascinating, by the way.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But again, you're taking it outside of a context. That was a context in which countries are fighting, not a context in which there is no country.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think it can because I think that it's an unstable equilibrium, right? I don't think competing police forces can work. At the end, the police force with the biggest gun always wins and always takes over And becomes authoritarian”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, if that didn't, there are certain people who would like to walk into their store and just take the stuff, right? So there is a, we might not, but there are certain people who might want it to go into their store. There's a certain system of laws that regulates the relationship and that defines the property rights and then provides protection for the property rights. Now, you would like all that privatized. That is, the store would have its police force, and that would be privatized. Now, I don't believe that force can be privatized. And the many reasons. I don't think it can, and I think it's a distinct distinction.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But let's understand what voluntary means, right? So we, for example, going to stores and there's a certain relationship that we have with a store that we engage in, certain voluntary transactions with that store. Now, I believe that that works because there is a certain system of law that both the store and we have accepted that makes that possible.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe, and we never finish that discussion. You're taking a word, we're taking a word that you're defining and replacing it with voluntary. Now, I'm not.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The word anarchy, it makes it meaningless, it makes it every time any people get together, they have an anarchistic relationship No, we have a voluntary relationship”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That doesn't make this anarchy because there are the laws out there. They could be enforced, which makes an enormous business. But look, there's a number of issues here. There's an issue of the role of force in human society.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are many laws that we're not. We know that violence related? No, there are lots of laws that are not going to be enforced. Right. And”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, the problem is that all the examples are going to be within the context of an existing government. This is why I said the cell phone example and all these other examples of us being here, we're not in anarchy. That is absurd. We're under a particular system of law. And the system of laws applies and we know that the particular system of laws applies. So the problem is when you have...”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I'm saying, first of all, I agree that everything we know about what's possible or what's not possible has to be from reality, that we agree completely. I think anarchists completely evade that point. I think you guys live in a world of mythology, of abstraction, of Descartes, to imagine the kind of anarchy that David Friedman or Rothbard describe. It's complete fiction. And it's complete.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That something different happened in the founding of America. It might not have been perfect, might not have been ideal, it might have been some people even think it was bad, right? If something different happened. Sure. And you could have sat 20 years before and said, Well, that's never happened before, so it can't happen in the future. That is a bad argument. It's not a good argument. Irrelevant.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's not what I'm saying. It's not the issue of can it work or not? It's the issue of can something exist that hasn't existed in the past. It's a silly argument. Now, we can argue about the fact of reality whether such a thing can exist, but to say it hasn't existed in the past is not an argument about whether it consists in a future. But that's the argument you made”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, not at all So, if I was sitting in 1750 arguing with Thomas Jefferson, he was telling me what kind of state he was going to create, and I said, has a state like this ever been created? And he said, no, was I being a platonist? Of course not.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Area Because you're taking the definition of violence the way she defines it, right, in this context. A, she talks about retaliatory force only.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, usually violence results in much more violence. Anarchy is just a system that legalizes violence. That's all it does. And in international affairs, that's the reality. The reality is that the way you resolve disputes that are major disputes is through violence.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What happens in America depends, depends on the nature of the governments of the three places. But usually what happens in most of human history is that America will launch a war either against Mexico or Canada.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't know, but this is why they haven't established a state, and it's not a government, and it's not in that sense an example of really the way we form societies. It is a private club that is hidden away from everybody else.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's really crucial that it's on different. So you don't have two judges in Gold Culture. You have one. And there's a reason one. There's one authority. There's one system of laws in Gulch Gulch that all the people under the Gulch abide by. There's one.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The other one claimed health. This one no claim. No, I'm for competing governments on different geographic areas That's fine. Why does that have to have”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it wasn't pure anarchy, but it got close. But no, I said the reverse, by the way. I said the reverse. I didn't say that every form of authoritarianism started with anarchy. I said that every situation in which human beings lived under anarchy led to authoritarianism. So I said the flip.”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Every example of stateless society leads to authoritarianism. Every single one in all of human history. It has to because”
2021-04-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #178 – Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source