Ruairí Ó Murchú
Louth · Sinn Féin · Ireland
“It was hardly a shock to me and many others that he decided that the simplicity that was asked for by Sinn Féin last week, such that we would consider preparations for Irish unity, was not acceptable. Most people would see this as a possibility, even those who do not necessarily like the idea.”
“I welcome that. I have spoken previously to the Minister about the necessity of providing Mr. Delaney's report on the incident to Natasha and the wider family.”
“We will all be very interested to see what the new circular is. The Minister of State said it will be announced in September. A needs-based system is what we need. I would like to think the young boy I talked about would be able to avail of this. I will use him as an example. The correct assessments were carried out.”
“We just need to make sure that the circular is fit for purpose and that the young primary school child to whom I refer will be given the supports he requires. I will just finish reading from the communication to which I referred earlier.”
“We need to ensure that the engagement with Lebanon is ongoing. Are we happy with the interaction with the UN? There had been some issues relating to the coroner's court. Everyone needs to do everything that can be done to ensure truth and justice for the family of Private Seán Rooney.”
“I thank the Ceann Comhairle for all the flexibility she allows in this Chamber, and hopefully that will continue as we speak. I welcome an awful lot of what Deputy Devlin said.”
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“We need to ensure we have a system that is fit for purpose, which it is not at the moment. I welcome a considerable amount of the interaction we have had with Tusla. When its representatives appeared before the children's committee last Thursday, they spoke about their new model and structure and that they are now better at assessing and dealing with cases and ensuring their organisation is more fit for purpose in its operations. However, we are looking at the possibility of having 300 too few social workers and at least 100 too few social care workers. That tells me we do not have a system that is fit for purpose.”
“Deputy Kerrane spoke about the absolute necessity that the Minister meet with AGALI. We are talking about the role of guardians ad litem as the voice of children. Deputy Kerrane made the points in that regard clearly and saliently. The Minister needs to engage with those at the coalface doing this work. We have heard much about Tusla and, as Deputy Kerrane said, there is much we welcome in this legislation. We want the guidelines to be the best they can be in ensuring child welfare. We are all aware of recent issues, including the cases of Kyran Durnin, Daniel Aruebose, Vadym Davydenko, Oisín Reddin and the really brutal assault on a ten-year-old girl. Other harrowing cases have been highlighted by the Child Law Project. I accept that the Minister is, in dealing with Tusla, often dealing with its failures.”
“First, I wish to bring up the issue we are again dealing with, that of an incredibly turbulent, chaotic and conflict-ridden world. The Taoiseach spoke about the huge issues in Sudan. Part of Sudan's issue is that outside players are supplying weapons and absolute heartache, death and slaughter on a huge scale. What we need to see throughout the world is a fairer system. We are dealing with the issues of trade energy but I also refer to the debt that holds Africa back, as well as the absolutely necessity of multilateralism. Unfortunately, the might-is-right ethos seems to be causing damage. We obviously have the issue in relation to climate change but it is about how we introduce this fairer system. While we know it is all about trade, there is also the proper use of overseas aid.”
“While huge work is being done by Louth County Council and the fire service, we have a huge level of flooding in Bay Estate, Cluan Enda and Castletown Road as well as out by the Carrickdale hotel on the way north. There could be an element of mitigation that we need to look at. An element of that work needs to be done afterwards while hoping nothing worse happens this evening.”
“At the G20 a serious amount of the conversation is on sustainable development. With Storm Chandra, it is fair to say we can see that is not necessarily happening in relation to climate change. We could all come in here and pontificate on the failings of the American President with all the desperate scenarios both domestically in America and internationally. We hope some chickens are coming home to roost and that some sense will prevail but we just cannot tell at this point. I have brought up that my own home town is under severe pressure. Not only do we need to make sure we deal with the issue of climate change, we have to be able to provide the mitigations that are necessary.”
“I have said to the Minister more than once that there needs to be a proper, real discussion on the issues that are out there, particularly in relation to the complex cases caused by addiction, the drug menace, the 169 organised crime gangs that are in operation across Ireland and the drugs epidemic that is impacting across the entire society but which is particularly prevalent and harmful within working-class areas where people are sometimes under the jackboot. That means drug debt intimidation, violence and all the rest of it. There is also the estate management aspect and ensuring we have the addiction services, the early family interventions and ensuring we can look after our most vulnerable while also protecting those impacted by the chaos, the violence and all the rest of it. As I said, it has most impact in working class areas.”
“They will be safe enough as I am moving on to community service orders. The Minister and I have had many interactions before in relation to all the good work the Garda does and the work done on early interventions, of which there are not enough. I have spoken many times before about the TEAM Project in Muirhevnamor and the youth diversion project operating out of the house in Cox's Demesne. They have done huge work, especially since they have been able to involve themselves in earlier interventions, but we need to see far more of that.”
“I accept the Minister is moving some of the journey but we really need to make sure whatever has to be done is done. He has questions there on constitutionality but we have to find the means for a solution that abates the fears of those who are victims and survivors. Anything else is just unfair and a continuation of a failure and the wrongs that were done to people. Whatever about any other specific issue being dealt with in the Bill, we should ensure the sanctity of counselling for people, and women in particular, who have been through absolute abject horror. It is fair to say nobody is going to have an issue with dealing with sex for rent and the disgusting practices we have seen grow out of the housing crisis. We all know we need to deal with the-----”
“However, the issue here is the time for dealing with the individual issues. A number of people have spoken about how this Bill definitely lives up to its name of "miscellaneous". There are a number of issues we all need to do proper due diligence on. The one an awful lot of us intend to speak to are the provisions on counselling notes. We are talking about survivors who have been through the worst acts of sexual violence and who, in a very vulnerable time in their lives, went through counselling as a means of dealing with the particular act or acts that were done to them. What we do not need is to continue with an invasion of what should be privacy. This should be a means for them to deal with an absolute horror that was done to them and not something that could possibly be brought into a court in any way, shape or form.”
“To answer Deputy McAuliffe, I do not think the Opposition has any issue with legislation going through this Chamber. He has heard complaints about the lack of it going through up to now and I think he used the term "do-nothing Government" himself, so obviously it is working.”
“They may have bought a house from the local authority at one stage before these circumstances arose and now they are under pressure with clawback they have to give back. They will not be able to afford the type of house that is required for the child. The whole thing needs to be reviewed. It does not just fall on the Department of housing. The HSE also needs to do a piece of work.”
“We all welcome any increase in the amount of money people can get. We all know that construction costs have gone through the roof. However, are they fit for purpose as regards the figures as they exist at the minute? No, they are not. Work needs to be done for those who have severe mobility issues, for example a child who gets older and has more specific needs. There needs to be a review not only of the adaptation grants provided but also in relation to housing. I know of people whose adaptation grants have been approved, but technically they cannot actually deliver it because they do not have the space within the confines of the house. I know of people who need to change their house on the basis of their children's needs. It would be a lot easier if they were actually in social housing.”
“There needs to be interaction with the HSE; I am not saying it falls completely on the local authority. We need to find the means for those who require far more substantial work to be done to allow people to live in their own homes. I am particularly talking about those with severe disabilities and mobility issues.”
“The issue I have, which happens every year, is that there is an insufficient amount of money to cover the grants at this point of time. The fact that secondary and tertiary allocations have to be made shows this is a particular issue. That is only one of them; the other particular issue is that there has to be an allowance for those who need a greater level of works done such as where there are children with extreme mobility issues who have got older. We probably also need to look at how all this is delivered. It is not just about the figures. Sometimes it is from the same pot as regards the housing adaptation grant, the disabled persons' grant and the housing for older people grant, which is absolutely vital for windows, doors, etc., but it should not necessarily be from this for the same fund.”
“I do not know how many times I have been here asking about housing adaptation grants. It is a huge facility to be used, particularly for those with disabilities or acquired disabilities, sometimes through old age. We know thresholds have been changed and also amounts. I would still say the system is not fit for purpose. Every local authority runs out of money, stops taking applications and then there is a bit of a minor disaster every year. This is about a system that is fit for purpose and will actually deliver for those who really require it.”
“I have been in here many times before and spoken about the issue over years. At times, I have had decent contact with Irish Water, but then the person changes and you do not get it and no elected representative can get the sort of representation or connection that they want. That is something I would like the Government to bring up with Irish Water, another agency or scenario set up to be at an arm's length from the Government. For wastewater, clean water and treatment plants, we are talking about 2029 or 2033. None of this is good enough. We need real action.”
“Dundalk, similar to an awful lot of places, has had an issue with water discolouration that is caused by increased amounts of manganese that was reacting with chlorine and causing rotten, brown gunk water. Obviously, no matter how many times Uisce Éireann or anybody else said it was drinkable and safe, people refused to believe that. Many will talk about the damage that has been done, whether it is to clothes, utensils, washing machines, dishwashers, etc. The only good news in the last period is that there has been some element of success, in the sense of a system that works, with a number of the operations that were being tested and filter systems in Cavan Hill, which deals with the majority of Dundalk. The press release spoke about great strides to be taken in 2026, but I do not see a completion date.”
“I was in the Chamber earlier and one speaker after another got up and slammed corporate communications from Uisce Éireann. That is fair to say. Any of us, who, at this point, have decent enough communications, it is usually on the ground and it relates to engineers and those who work for Uisce Éireann and would have previously worked for the council and some who still do. This is not good enough when you want to get information on the major operations. If somebody landed from Mars, the one thing they would understand is that we have clean water and wastewater infrastructure that is not fit for purpose and is posing huge issues in relation to the delivery of housing, but also to industry. I get it. This is not the starting point you would want, but we are where we are.”
“I am certainly not going to defend America's history of involvement internationally or the wrongs done in the Middle East, across south and central America or in Africa but there was an element of understanding that it had a nouveau empire, it maintained that empire and there was a cost to that. Donald Trump now wants to screw over his allies. There will be a need to stand up to him. It is all well and good to say that he does not necessarily have the support of the American people but we have not seen any checks and balances being able to rein him in.”
“We have all seen the characters involved. It is easy enough to become involved and cheap at the price. It is $1 billion to buy yourself in. We are looking at nothing but conflict and instability. I am talking about the genocide in Palestine and the so-called peace at the minute. In this peace, we do not see any justice for the Palestinian people. I am also talking about the brutal conflict in Ukraine instigated by the Russians and about the abject savagery and destruction in Sudan. We have seen draconian actions in Iran. We have seen an American President who is out of control. I am talking about Venezuela and the threat to Greenland. We all heard about this threat a year ago but we did not take it in any way seriously. Donald Trump believes he has a right to an empire.”
“There is an absolute misunderstanding in relation to Donald Trump. I am delighted to hear him say he wants a piece of ice for world protection, saying it as it is. Donald Trump obviously sees himself somewhat differently from how the rest of us see him. All he is missing is a Marvel superhero cape. That is where we are. I concur with what some of my colleagues said earlier. It is an incredibly scary world we are now in but we have to adhere to our belief in the importance of national sovereignty, of being able to stand against might and of the righteousness and necessity of international law and multilateralism. Despite the weaknesses of the United Nations and all that has been done to it, it remains necessary and cannot be replaced with a board of peace. It is like something straight out of 1984 .”
“Drogheda United FC was also on a reserve list. I would like to think that Dundalk FC could be in at the time it would be open. Anyone who has been to Oriel Park knows it needs a lot of work done, as happy as we are to be back in the premiership.”
“We all know the importance of sports capital for sporting organisations across the State. We are talking about this opening at the end of summer 2026. I thought it would be quarter 1 but once we have a date, sports clubs can work around it. I agree with what has been said. There needs to be added effort in facilitating local authorities to provide municipal pitches and sporting settings in some cases, which can allow for a whole pile of other sports. On the large-scale sports infrastructure funding, what is the timeline for that? I think we were talking about it being opened every two years. I have spoken to the Minister of State before about Louth GAA and its belief that it is on the reserve list. I suppose it is a matter of the works that are being done at the minute, not very far from my own home, continuing.”
“These are absolutely perfect to enable children to cycle who might not have believed that was possible. It is brilliant for children with mobility issues, autism or Down's syndrome. It is a really good community interaction. We would have hoped that things would have been further on in relation to our dealings with Louth County Council on having a permanent base. I thank those groups that have contacted Louth Disability Cycling Club about putting a real base in operation. An example has been established in south County Dublin in the last while and I hope we will get something similar in Louth. We need to see that kind of support at Government level and at local authority level to deliver.”
“It is absolutely necessary that we have this focus. That focus means resources to ensure all children can involve themselves in sport, particularly those who will have greater challenges. High Five is a programme run for children, particularly those with autism, in boxing clubs. My own local club, Clann Naofa, has such a programme ongoing. We have all seen the all-stars programmes run by the GAA. I am talking in particular about Dundalk Gaels, St. Bride's and Cooley Kickhams. It is absolutely fabulous to see. I will also speak to the likes of the Louth Disability Cycling Club. People may be aware of this club and of Kevin O'Brien, who has great interaction with the club on behalf of Variety. Variety runs the recycle mobility programme, through which families can avail of adapted bikes.”
“On Committee Stage, we could deal with whatever anomalies the Minister says are in this Bill. We could have something fit for purpose, like the Dutch have. I fear an awful lot of states will have something similar before this one does. The Minister and I have had many interactions on the fact that we have not got to grips with the impact drugs are having. Organised crime has a capacity and an ability and is making an absolute fortune out of this. Unfortunately, it is legal because we have not introduced the legislation. We heard recently from the Garda that there are 169 organised crime groups, with 65% involved in drugs. We need to get serious about the whole drugs issue and about nitrous oxide. The Minister can take action now. I commend Deputy Ward on doing a decent piece of work from Opposition.”
“I parked in the Ramparts, the Louth County Council car park. There must have been a major party there as there were eight or nine canisters. That is no big deal. We see them every day, every week, almost everywhere, in parks like the park in my own estate. I do not know how many times they have been posted on the neighbourhood watch Facebook page. They are everywhere. What has also been detailed is the absolute harm it is doing, including neurological harm, frostbite and burns, respiratory issues, nerve damage and right down to the mental health impact that we cannot even contemplate at this point. This is something we can move on today. There is still time for due diligence. The Minister could withdraw his amendment. We could let this go through.”
“We all accept that nitrous oxide has legitimate uses in medicine, healthcare, veterinary and catering. This legislation ensures that those who legitimately want to sell, buy and use this are the only people who are allowed so that it no longer has the impact it is having on young people across the country. Deputy Ward is absolutely correct. The Government has known about this for a significant period of time. I do not think anyone has to go too far. I do not take the dog for a walk too often but over Christmas I did, with my wife, my youngest son and my niece. At that part of the Blackrock Road where it hits the Red Barns Road, I came across three of these. They are no longer the silver bullets; we are looking at these big industrial pieces. A couple of months ago, I was going in to work in my constituency office.”
“There is an even simpler issue with Ardee Educate Together. It is about parking spaces and delivering before further works are done. We are getting down to the wire on the timeline. I need somebody from the Department of education to make contact so we can resolve this. Louth County Council is the project manager but there is a serious requirement for action.”
“We want to see delivery in relation to special education and autism classes. Two schools that have delivered as necessary are Monksland National School in Cooley and Ardee Educate Together. I have brought up these issues before. A TD in the Taoiseach's own party brought up Monksland National School. She could not have been happy with the answer given. I certainly was not happy with it. Monksland National School was given two prefabs. It got permanent plans for a general purpose room and for a canteen. People are eating in their cars or in a shipping container at the minute, which is hardly acceptable. There were plans for special education teaching, SET, rooms and autism spectrum disorder, ASD, rooms. It is asking for contact from the Department. I request that an official from the Department contact me. We could resolve this issue.”
“We have seen projects, such as Greentown, that have intervened with young people who have fallen into criminality. We need to see a lot more of that. It is about having a real conversation about all of the interventions that are necessary and also about the police acting so that we do not allow drug dealers to operate for years upon years.”
“Regardless of whether we are talking about the Dublin city task force, there is not much point having a report unleashed unless we see implementation. We know that across this State there is a huge issue with drug debt, intimidation and violence. We saw the absolutely brutal killing of Tadhg Farrell and Mary Holt in Edenderry. We all remember the brutal killing of Keane Mulready-Woods. We have heard from the Garda National Drugs and Organised Crime Bureau that there are 169 organised crime groups operating in Ireland, with 65% of them involved in drug trafficking. Many of us have seen the work that youth diversion programmes have done. I have seen it in Cox's Demesne and those operating out of The House and the TEAM project. I have seen the early intervention and the piece of work it has done.”
“It is the issue my leader, Mary Lou McDonald, brought up. It is somebody who has been sent one of these letters, who is absolutely frightened and who talks about the great work she does as a carer. We need to answer those people and to look after them, along with the need for an emergency cost-of-disability payment.”
“I would like to remember Mickey Brady, who was a real people's MP and a former MLA, a seriously sound gentleman, a proud Newry man. He has recently been lost to all of us. I would like to pass on my condolences to his wife Caroline, and his children Saoirse, Michael, Seán, Niall and Lewis. Mickey was somebody you could always rely upon and engage with. He was really helpful to me. His work and involvement goes back to the civil rights movement and right through to the fear of the imposition of a hard Border. What I remember about Mickey as well is that he was a welfare adviser. If I could just read out a particular-----”
“The Minister has corresponded with me in relation to what has been brought to me from the likes of the Rehab Group, Mr PRICE and others who employ a number of those with disabilities. They believe the WSS is not up to scratch at the minute. We need to see greater employability and workability. We also need to see reasonable accommodation funding, as in work and access. It needs to be fit for purpose. At this point in time, it is not in relation to those who need assistive technologies or the employer or whoever has to go through the administrative burden. It is too much at the moment.”
“We all accept there is a need for a cost-of-disability payment. That goes without saying. We also need to ensure we facilitate as many people into employment as possible. The Minister has accepted there is underemployment within the State of those with disabilities. He quibbled some of the figures that are out there. If the Minister could come back on that, it would be useful. I have spoken many times with him before in relation to the wage subsidy scheme, WSS, and the drop in the number of those who are employed by it over the past number of years and the employers taking it up. It has been reviewed but I do not think a proper job has been done in relation to what needs to be delivered.”
“It is all well and good speaking about how we are not going to offer one-off payments, but they previously had been getting payments of up to €1,400. That has been stripped away from them. What we need to see, and what their request is, is a €400 emergency winter cost-of-disability payment and the possibility of energy credits specifically for those on disability payments. This is all imperfect. The piece of work that has been done should have been done earlier as regards reviewing what a cost-of-disability payment should look like and who should get it. That work needs to happen as soon as possible. The fact is there needs to be a payment now for people with disabilities who are under severe pressure.”
“We heard a whole pile of horror issues in the audiovisual room. In fairness, the Irish Wheelchair Association, Access for All Ireland and the Disability Federation of Ireland have done really good work in putting this idea out there and making sure that people are aware of the need for a cost-of-disability payment. The Minister obviously accepts that, given the fact that there is a review process under way. At the minute, though, we are listening to horror stories. I think it was summed up in some of the documentation provided, including the comment that, some weeks, it is a toss-up between food or bills because there is nothing left. That is just the reality that people with disabilities are living with. We all accept there is an added cost.”
“It is fair enough for anyone else who has brought up the issue in relation to the cost-of-living crisis and the fact that there are people out there who are really suffering because they do not have the finances. It is a case sometimes of whether people eat or heat their homes. I do not think it is good enough that the Government has completely given up in relation to those supports that are needed, particularly as regards energy credits. We all heard earlier about the cost of disability and the fact there is no cost of disability payment. We are going to wait another year for people who are really suffering at this point, and people spoke about the particular issue they have in relation to heating. I ask that the Minister of State bring back to Government that this is an issue that needs to be resolved.”
“Due to that, we are dealing with it from that point on at a huge cost to the State and, obviously, if I am talking specifically about mica, at a huge cost to those affected, particularly in Donegal, Mayo, Sligo and the Minister of State's own county. We have a number of those particular issues in my own country. The Louth local authority is at this point dealing with the Department and ensuring that we can be added to the scheme with the issues that exist. I digress but my point is that we need to ensure that safety is in and we need to ensure that the regulation is correct. We need to absolutely ensure that those who are given the job in relation to both commissioning and decommissioning have the skill set that is necessary. We may then need to make sure we can operate this as seamlessly as possible.”
“I think everyone will be aware of the absolute necessity in this State in relation to home heating, domestic heating, non-domestic and industrial heating, particularly in the last period we have gone through, and the absolute necessity the State has with regard to energy and the issues we have sometimes had in ensuring we have a decent energy supply. While there has been much talk in the last while, and necessary talk, in relation to ensuring there are no bureaucratic or administrative hold-ups in the delivery of huge necessary projects, we have also seen, whether we are talking about mica or 101 other issues, that we did not have a sufficient amount of regulation and oversight and we did not have the systems in place.”
“They are being appointed as the gas supervisory and safety body, as in the inspection body, but their inspectors are not trained on non-domestic installation. That is the piece. We have heard many speak about rushed legislation, but the fact is that there have been issues that we have known have existed for ten years and more if the truth be told. It is a matter of us actually dealing with these issues from the point of view that we have a framework that works in relation to those who are involved in the delivery of these particular systems and gas systems.”
“I do not think anybody doubts the absolute necessity of ensuring that we have the proper level of regulation, particularly when we are talking about natural gas and liquified petroleum gas. We all know the issues that can exist. We all know the dangers that exist. In fairness, my colleagues, Deputies Pa Daly and Bennett recently stated, like many others have done, that there are issues those who have worked in the sector have brought up and we all welcome that. Many times, we have come in here and looked for greater powers in relation to the CRU, but it is making sure then that it has the capacity to be able to deliver upon them. There are very particular issues that exist in relation to the RGIs, registered gas installers.”
“It absolutely puts a hand grenade among what anyone would have believed to be, for want of a better term, the rules of engagement. We all know that Europe and the European Commission have done huge work to make sure the Internet is a safe place but further work needs to be done. We know the whole issue of Grok, which can be seen at the minute as nothing other than a child pornography factory. It is engagement at European level that we need, as well as action here in Ireland.”
“Following on from that, could we have some answers regarding where the Irish Government proposes to go as regards Mercosur and some element of push back? We obviously know there is to be a vote by MEPs. The question has been asked on what way Government MEPs will vote. Beyond that, what engagement will there be with the rest of the MEPs across Europe? We need to keep maximum pressure on, whether that is to achieve absolute success or even to ensure the deal is made better, even at this late stage. We know the huge dangers from a health point of view but also for Irish farming in particular. I also wish to ask about where we stand now as regards Donald Trump and his threats in respect of Greenland. While we may have laughed this off at one stage, we cannot necessarily do that at this point.”
“We are talking about almost 100,000 tonnes of beef coming from South America and 180,000 tonnes of poultry that could contain hormones, antibiotics and materials farmers across Europe cannot use. We are endangering people's health and for what? We all accept the need for commerce and free trade deals. However, we need to protect not only the environment but also the health of the people and the health of the sustainable farming industry. We can talk about Sudan, Palestine and Greenland but we need to see less of the double standards and we need to see the Government standing up for a real deal in relation to what a just world is.”
“I will be honest that I did not make to Athlone to protest against the absolute disaster for Irish farming that Mercosur is. I did not make it there because a number of farmers contacted me as they were having their own protest in Dundalk. It was a very short one in support of Athlone because they wanted their voices recognised due to the fact the Government went against the deal at the last minute way. Farmers told me they could not see that as being anything other than disingenuous. What they need to see now from the Government, which I hope the Minister of State will give some information on, is a roadmap for taking action to oppose properly the current deal which is bad for people's health and bad for Irish farming.”
“The actor we will not call out sufficiently at this time is Donald Trump given the fact that whatever leader he does not like, he is just going to take them out, kidnap them and do whatever. When I watched that press conference by him, Pete Hegseth, Maro Rubio and others it reminded me of myself at about 12 years of age after watching "The A-Team" or something because that is the level we are talking about. Only it is not funny because of what they are doing which is death and destruction and the international rulebook going out the window and being absolutely burnt. Deputy Mac Lochlainn is right because I have spoken lately to those in Clogherhead in my constituency who talked about how difficult it was to be a fisherman and how difficult it was for the fishing industry but now they see absolutely no future whatsoever.”
“It goes without saying we are in a world with absolute double standards at this point and it is not a case of what is good for the goose is good for the gander. With Iran, I think we are all in agreement that no one wants to see protesters who are out protesting against higher costs, and the other particular issues they have, die and nobody wants to see executions. None of this is good enough but we also have to call out all that is being done at the minute. I am not entirely sure what the western world even means any more but if we are talking about the European Commission and the moral high ground, it is very difficult to have that when it will call out one actor but not another.”
“What co-ordination has there been across the Cabinet on what is going to happen regarding Grok? We all know the importance of the tech industry to Ireland, but I do not think anybody in the House could stand over what we can only call a child pornography factory. We know how it can be used and is being used. It is disgraceful. It is fair to say that the answers from Elon Musk have not been up to scratch, and I think that would be accepted. We can make a fair claim that ketamine might possibly impact your brain function over many years. What do we intend to do? Do we need legislation? What interaction has there been with the European Commission and across government?”