Ng Kah Ting
Singapore
“Mr Speaker, Sir, before I ask my supplementary question, may I declare, on behalf of the Member for Kebun Baru and myself, that we are both involved in the building of Montfort Secondary School and Montfort Junior School both of which are Government-aided schools. My question now, Sir, is: when will this take effect?”
“But, Sir, at the end of this debate on the Second Reading and the Bill committed to a Select Committee, I sincerely hope that all those who have the interest of Singapore at heart should come forward and make their contributions, be they critical or ways and means on how better we can improve upon this Bill.”
“But the basic foundation, I submit, and that is, the political stability-honest, efficient and an incorruptible political leadership-is paramount to the future well-being of Singapore, and that is, if we are to continue to enjoy our good standard of living, our good government and of course as an independent, sovereign entity or nation.”
“Sir, I knew that the NCMP would come out and say that-don't mix up the ISA with PPSO because basically it is the same. I say, no. Because in 1958, PAP was not in power. It was the Lim Yew Hock government. That is the difference I am trying to make. So let us not go around in this wild political rhetoric. I understand that.”
“Sir, before I make my observations, I just want to make a couple of points in reply to the Non-Constituency MP, Dr Lee. He said that in 1958 when he was asked to stand as a PAP candidate in Kallang he was afraid of the ISA. I do not think that is quite correct because in 1958, Sir, there was no ISA.”
“We should take advantage of the present political stability to provide for the future. In conclusion, Sir, let me draw an analogy. With Singapore being the No. 1 port in the world, this analogy is not inappropriate.”
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“Of course, this is aimed to stimulate economic growth in the coming years. But, the much publicised and long awaited mass rapid transit system should be approved early by the Government, so that the activities in the construction of the system and its concomitant commercial activities will no doubt generate further economic growth. To my mind, the new Budget has the characteristics which stimulate the healthy growth of our commerce and industry, as well as lightening the burden of the upper middle income group. As for the middle and lower income group, I see that they actually do not benefit much. The more important point is this, judging from the generality of the Budget, the Government does not seem to accord any importance in the encouragement of the development of a national culture. Many people lament the fact that the economic prosperity of Singapore has made our people golden-calf worshippers, gradually degenerating them into soulless economic animals. To correct this undesirable tendency, it is necessary to fall back on the virtues of our cultural ballast and education. The Government should encourage our people to engage in all aspects of cultural activities. In this House last year, I advocated that the Ministry of Finance should grant tax relief benefits for any company or individual who bought any article of artistic value, so as to give the much needed impetus for our artistic creativity. I hope the Minister concerned will give a favourable response to my suggestion. The Senior Minister of State, in announcing tax exemption on pension income, has been both humane and reasonable. He said, "We have to be a hard-headed Government but we are not hard-hearted.”
“Mr Ho Kah Leong (Jurong)( In Mandarin): Mr Speaker, Sir, on the 5th of this month the Senior Minister of State for Finance presented on behalf of the Minister for Finance, the new Budget in this House. Contrary to the usual practice of the past years, he did not introduce any new tax or increase existing ones. On the other hand, he announced five tax concessions. This is the Minister's introductory present to this House. The Budget has also left a good first impression to the general taxpayers. However, to the masses of citizenry, when there is no new tax or tax-increase, it means that the burden of livelihood will not be increased for the time being at least. Therefore, there is no reason not to welcome this Budget. Of course, the main reason for the new Budget to be painless is that our economy, with the joint effort of all the people, has enjoyed good progress - an 8.6% economic growth in the past year. As regards our economic structure, the Government has also succeeded in its diversification programme. Personal and company incomes have also increased as a result. Therefore, the simple message of the Government to work hard for a better living, ought to be better understood by our people. The new Budget reflects clearly our solid economic position, and together with political stability, they constitute the most favourable factors in attracting foreign investments to this region. The success of attracting new investments will, of course, strengthen our economic growth. But the Government should also at the same time pay attention to the increasingly serious problem of shortage of labour and to provide early solution. On the other hand, the Government's continual emphasis is on development expenditure while at the same time economising on recurrent expenditure.”
“Cost pertaining to law. In my debate on the 5th of March on the First Supplementary Estimates, legal fees can also be "law cost". So "low cost" is different. "Low cost" means that the cost is low. Sir, with that, I come to the conclusion of my observations on the Budget Statement. However, there is one small point that bugs me. That is, I notice that foreigners are allowed to open supermarkets and departmental stores. Such enterprises would definitely have undue advantage over our local ones, namely, our NTUC and PIEU/SILO supermarkets which have to purchase in bulk and sell at a low profit margin to the consumer whereas these foreign enterprises may be able to obtain more favourable credit terms on consumer goods from their own countries. I must say that I am not prompted by the NTUC, SILO or PIEU to raise this matter. It is the result of one little observation that I made because I was astonished when I once popped into one supermarket and departmental store and was told that some of the items sold there were slightly more expensive than those sold in our NTUC or PIEU/SILO supermarkets, and yet large crowds of people throng there. I cannot understand this. I do not think the Government should allow such enterprises to function here. I understand that many of our retail shops have been badly affected and have, in fact, closed down. So this is not a benefit to us, and I can only hope that the Hon. Minister will do something about it. In short, I would like to suggest that the retail trade be done by ourselves only and not foreigners. Sir, on that note, I support the Motion in the name of the Hon. Senior Minister of State for Finance. 5.50 p.m.”
“Also, if he will elaborate on the utilisation of Payroll Tax which forms part of Direct Taxes for the Revenue; $75 million to be exact. Another small point, I think this is more a typographical error than anything else. It can be found on page 11 of Paper Cmd. 4 of 1979 under the heading "Statement of Loans Repayable to Government (Partly Estimated)", Housing and Development Board, item no. 35, "6% Loan for Law Cost Housing, 1971/72 - Short Term." I think it should be "Low Cost" and not "Law Cost". No doubt this is a mere typographical error. There is a great deal of difference between "law cost" and "low cost". I hope a correction to this end will be done.”
“Sir, to me this is illogical and the benefit of the exemption should be granted irrespective of any gift made within five years of the date of death. If the Hon. Senior Minister of State does not think that my argument is illogical I hope he will take the necessary steps to put the matter right. I also wish to add that when assessment of an estate takes place, the Department concerned should be fair and reasonable in the assessment. I know of one case where the grown-up children bought a detached house in the name of their mother and they have been paying the instalments. Many years later, she died intestate and the house had to be sold to pay for the estate duty, leaving behind a paltry sum of money hardly enough to buy a terrace house. This happened in the early 70's when there was a boom in property prices. I would like to urge the Hon. Senior Minister of State to consider my suggestions. Sir, touching on consumer prices, (Part VIII, on page 42 of the Economic Survey of Singapore 1978) pork price, amongst other food items, registered a 3% rise despite a drop of 5% in pig prices received by farmers. Therefore, it would be pertinent to ask why the benefit could not be passed on to the consumer who had to pay for a 3% rise in pork price whereas the pig farmer got a 5% drop in pig price. Sir, I do not know whether it is in order to ask of the Hon. Senior Minister of State if he will elaborate further on his Addendum to the President's Address that it was Government's intention to sell off pans of its investments to the public. Let me hasten to add that I have no personal interest in this matter. Is it still too early to be disclosed, or is the Ministry still working out the details?”
“Sir, by this, I do not mean to be disrespectful, but I would like to remind him that the purchasing power of our dollar has been somewhat eroded further. On another aspect of tax concession concerning house ownership, I wish to seek further elaboration and clarification on the increase with regard to exemption from estate duty, i.e. "any one house in a deceased's estate subject to a maximum value of $200,000." Also, "The exemption limit of $200,000 for the house will apply to the full share of any one house in a deceased's estate." And, "If the deceased is a part owner of a house, the exemption will depend on his proportionate share of that house." In the view of the Senior Minister of State, "this should cover most public and private flats, and terrace and semi-detached houses." May I suggest that it is best not to specify the number of residential properties that qualify for exemption so long as a person is able to enjoy the exemption limit of $200,000. In other words, it should best be left to him to do what he wants. Now, Sir, another point concerns the inter vivos gift of a house. The Senior Minister of State said: 'A house which is given as an inter vivos gift will not qualify for the exemption, notwithstanding that the value of the house is included in the valuation of the estate if the gift is made within five years of the date of death.' Now, Sir, for the purposes of estate duty any gift inter vivos does not take effect until five years after the date of the gift. That is to say, if the donor dies within five years of the date of the gift, his estate will have to pay estate duty on the whole value of the gift and yet his estate will not get the benefit of the recent exemption.”
“It is gratifying to note that last year further progress has been achieved in ASEAN economic cooperation. It shows ASEAN's maturity in being able to function in regionalism within a short span of some 12 years, and this is indeed a matter of quiet satisfaction to the peoples of ASEAN. Apart from this, I would like to refer to my remarks made on 14th March, 1977, contained in Hansard, Vol. 36, col. 889, when I touched on the need to "laying greater emphasis on bi-lateral and multi-lateral trading arrangements with ASEAN countries." Now, apart from the Preferential Trading Arrangements concerning more items to be exchanged, I would like to know whether further progress has been made with regard to across-the-board agreements on the reduction of certain tariffs with our ASEAN partners. I would now like to touch on Tax Changes. Whilst I appreciate the increase in the allowable deduction for statutory CPF contributions, to $5,000 per year, I would refer the Senior Minister of State for Finance to his statement made in this House on 14th March, 1977 when he was on this side of the House. This can be found in Vol. 36, cols. 831 to 836. His remarks centred entirely on an appeal for an increase in personal and earned income reliefs. He had made out a very strong case in this respect and, in fact, he had supported it with a Table of Comparison of Tax Liabilities and Disposable Income between 1972 and 1976 (Appendix II, cols. 907 to 908 of the same volume) and to quote him: "This argument was basically sound but it was not carried far enough." I think the House will agree with me that he has carried it succinctly far enough, and I would like to enquire whether he still subscribes to this view. An hon. Member: No.”
“Member for Kolam Ayer that Japan consumes or imports 99% of her oil needs. The Japanese economy is likely to be seriously affected in this respect, if what is conveyed over the news is true. Sir, with that I come to the question of protectionism which has already been touched on by several colleagues of mine on the Backbench. In his statement, the Senior Minister of State has referred to protectionism now being extended to the air and he pointed out that "Singapore together with ASEAN and the Group of 77 developing countries must resist the protectionist tendencies of developed countries and help bring about an international order that will benefit the developing countries." I fully agree with the stand, but may I ask what form of resistance Singapore can pursue? Would it not be better to look for other solutions to overcome the protectionistic climate caused by the developed countries? One solution, if I may venture to suggest, would be for ASEAN to stand united and work closely with the Group of 77 developing countries with a view to exploring the ways and means to check against such climate. For ourselves, we should be more than prepared to acquire further knowhow or new skills in our export-oriented manufacturing sector whose products are not politically sensitive to the developed countries. Therefore, until and unless ASEAN together with the Group of 77 developing countries can show themselves to the developed countries that it is futile and not to their ultimate interests to embark on such policies, I am of the opinion that these developed countries will continue to exploit the Third World for their own interests, be they short-term or long-term. Now, the question of ASEAN economic cooperation.”
“After all, it should be noted that Parliament had to be adjourned till today for the debate on the Statement. With that, Sir, I come to my observations on some aspects of the Budget Statement. First of all, whilst the Budget Statement inflicted no pain but mild pleasure, I hasten to ask the Hon. Minister whether he will assure the House that no "pain" will be inflicted between now and his next Budget Statement. I can safely assume that he will give no such assurance because in reply to a question from the panel the Senior Minister of State indicated a possible price hike on energy. This caused me to read the Budget Statement again; and I notice that mention was made with regard to the "4-stage oil price increase totalling 14.5% in 1979 by OPEC", as well as the more sombre "prospect of a world oil shortage following disruption from Iran." Towards this end, the Senior Minister of State at the forum merely exhorted that "we should step up efforts to economise on the consumption of oil and electricity." Does this mean that we are able to withstand such increases? Will not Singapore's economy be affected by these increases? I would also like to believe that such hike in oil prices will affect our economy; more so with the prospect of an oil shortage. So I would like to ask what provisions have we made in this respect? Further to this, in the 11 o'clock news brief this morning, it was reported that the Japanese Yen has weakened against the US dollar because Japan will most probably face the problem of oil supply. The impact will be felt by the industries in Japan which rely very much on an adequate supply of oil. In fact, just now before the House adjourned for a short tea break mention was made by the hon.”
“Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to join my colleagues on the Backbench in congratulating the Hon. Senior Minister of State for Finance for the painless and mildly pleasurable Budget Statement he delivered on behalf of the Hon. Minister for Finance on 5th March, 1979 in this Chamber. The Statement reminds me of the emphatic point made by the Minister for Finance in this House on 28th February, 1977, that "we have laid a sound foundation for sustained growth through the five basic elements of our long term development strategy." He hoped to achieve an annual growth rate of 6 - 8% then. The result for 1977 was 7.8% which was slightly higher than the 7% achieved in 1976. And last year the Singapore economy grew by 8.6%. This is indeed an achievement. However, the Senior Minister of State did not make a forecast on the growth rate for 1979 except to point out that "in the Year of the Goat, we should not lack the resilience, adaptability and co-operative effort to make 1979 another good year." He has only cautiously pointed out that "in 1979, the world looks like becoming a more difficult place to make a living in." Perhaps he has got good reasons for not making any forecast on growth at all since this is the first time he is delivering the Budget Statement on behalf of the Minister for Finance. But, Sir, before I submit my humble comments on his statement, I would like to refer to the Radio and TV forum entitled "Budget 79" held two nights ago in which the Senior Minister of State for Finance was put on the carpet before a seven-man panel to discuss the impact and implications of this year's budget. Personally, I welcome this new approach. What I wish to ask is whether the hour-long discussion is sufficient time enough.”
“I do not really know whether the "three months from the date of coming into operation of this Part" will be sufficient time or will the Registrar alone be efficient and effective enough to handle all this? I raise this point because clause 22 empowers the Minister to specify the types of vocational training institutions to be transferred. In conclusion, I would urge the Minister in charge to have a periodic review of VITB's policies by closely monitoring the impact of its results relating to our manpower needs in the development of Singapore. On that note, Mr Speaker, Sir, I give my full support to the Bill. 5.57 p.m.”
“As far as the appointment of a Director is concerned, I do not know whether or not them is a need to have a deputy director also, although the Bill does provide that "any person may be appointed by the Board to act in the place of the Director during any period of such absence from duty". This subclause (3) of clause 38 does not seem, to my mind, to reflect the importance of the post. One seems to get the impression that the provision of a Director to such an institution for vocational and industrial training is sufficient to cope with the demands of the work involved. May I say that even in schools there are either vice-principals or senior assistants to assist the principals. What more the VITB? I would therefore submit that this matter be looked into. Of course, the Minister in charge may, in reply, refer me to clause 39 which concerns "Employment of Staff" and point out that the Director as Chief Executive would have assistants. I would therefore add that though it is only too true, is this not going to be a much bigger outfit than before? The other matter concerns the post of Registrar. He has to keep a register of every vocational training institution registered under this Act. Whereas the term "Vocational training institution" in the Bill adequately covers its intention, it should have been realised that there are so many such institutions providing the kind of instruction or training described. Therefore, with the Act in operation, the Registrar will need some time to fully discharge his function because of compulsory registration as required under clause 25 of the Bill.”
“Member for Anson, who was the founder Chairman of the AEB - that he and others can rest satisfied that their good work will be continued. Those who have served on the ITB can also feel gratified that the larger role of the VITB will be well founded on ITB's experience. I am particularly pleased to see that it has been decided to retain the tripartite Government-Employers-NTUC representation on the new board. This formula is not only essential for close consultation leading to realistic programmes; but this tripartite collaboration is also the very foundation of Singapore as a nation and which thus underlies our success. Sir, I would like to urge two things. First, that VITB must place the highest emphasis on attitudinal development. Work discipline, courtesy, pride in work are as important as pure skill. Whether at the level of junior trainee, apprentice, or the advanced skilled worker, the distinguishing quality of a VITB graduate should be the quiet pride and professionalism of the man - or woman - founded in the confidence that no job is too tough or too undignified if one has the tools and the skills. Second, I would also urge that maximum attention be given in the schools to guide vocationally-inclined children towards vocational development. It is more than about time that we must overcome the prejudices of parents for academic education, and develop techniques for determining the aptitudes of children for vocational development Finally, I would like to refer to two matters in the Bill. Amongst other functions and powers contained in Part IV, clauses 19 to 21 inclusive and Part VI, clause 38(1), the Board will have to appoint a Director, with the approval of the Minister, as well as one of its officers to be the Registrar of Vocational Training Institutions.”
“Mr Speaker, I support the merging of the Adult Education Board and the Industrial Training Board. The Adult Education Board has, since its inception in 1960, played a credible and important role in public education, I am glad this role will remain under the Continuing Education programme. However, I hope that the merger will result in a more comprehensive orientation of the AEB's and ITB's part-time programmes into related modules, so that the upgrading of workers will lead to higher qualifications and prospects. The better geographical spread of the institutional facilities of the two boards taken together will make these courses more accessible to workers. I have heard that workers are sometimes unable to follow ITB's part-time courses because of the distances of the vocational institutes from their homes. The ITB, since its inception in 1973, has proved a good number of our educationists wrong by successfully graduating tens of thousands of trainees with basic skills who have found employment in industry. These trainees were termed as "school-dropouts" in the early 60's as they could not pass their PSLE. But through a more realistic reorganisation of courses for them in the vocational schools then and subsequently through ITB some five years later or so; they proved that they were more vocationally inclined and could, given the right training, find gainful employment without much difficulty. Hence the bold moves made in 1968-71 to establish the vocational institutes have paid off handsome dividends. The NTC certification system has gained increasing acceptance. Those associated with the Adult Education Board - and I pause here because I recognise in this House a person none other than the hon.”
“In doing so, it will offer our school-leavers who are vocationally-inclined the means to take up these jobs. The formation of the VITB also represents the extension of the now tested training system developed by the ITB to all vocational sectors. I agree that the needs of the commercial and service sectors cannot be left to themselves. The steps taken by the Adult Education Board to introduce commercial courses should now be consolidated within a nationally embracive scheme of commercial education and certification. I hope the now board will not confine itself to out-dated and old fashioned programmes like typing, book-keeping and mere secretarial procedures. Our youths should be prepared to take their places in the banks, the financial houses, insurance and the modern marketing corporations equipped with skills to apply high-level commercial techniques and electronics. They should also possess sound and polished office skills. Therefore, I welcome the announcement that the VITB will seek to set up a commercial institute. That indicates that my expectations are likely to be fulfilled. Through the extension of the VITB's planning, curriculum development and training infrastructure to tHe commercial and service sectors, the latter will enjoy the benefits of these complementary functions originally directed (and rightly so) at industrial needs. The provision of commercial education by the VITB will have a stabilising effect on fees in the private sector. The transfer of registration of private vocational and commercial schools to the VITB is a move in the right direction and is also an administrative improvement. Sir, I hope that the transfer will be done in such a way as not to cause inconvenience or disruption.”
“Mr Speaker, Sir, when the Vocational and Industrial Training Board Bill was introduced in the House on 10th January 1979, I looked forward with great interest to this debate. As the Minister in charge has just pointed out, the Bill is to set up the Vocational and Industrial Training Board (VITB) through the merger of the Adult Education Board and the Industrial Training Board. The VITB has a crucial dual role. Firstly, the VITB, through Government's heavy investments in it, must meet the nation's requirements for skilled workers. Secondly, the VITB represents the parallel avenue to self-fulfilment, through vocational and industrial training, for those students who are unable to continue with academic education for one reason or another. Thus, the pace of development of our society would also depend upon an ever-expanding base of vocations and skills. A decade and a half ago computer programmers and technicians were in limited demand. Today it is undeniably true that business and public administration would be inconceivable without them. To give an illustration, the expansion of our public housing, road network and factories would not have been possible without construction workers. And if we decide to introduce MRT in the 80's we shall need not only more construction workers, but also maintenance and systems-control technicians, and a host of support skills as well. The growth of consumer products creates its own demand for service and repair skills. Industry itself will depend on a growing army of skilled workers with a broadened scope. Naturally it will be the role of the VITB to match all these and other needs by realistic planning and providing the training necessary.”
“Neither am I crossing swords because if I give him more thrusts I get more cuts in return. On that note, Sir, I beg leave to withdraw my amendment. Amendment by leave, withdrawn. The sum of $445,570 for Head G ordered to stand part of the First Supplementary Estimates of Expenditure for the financial year 1st April, 1978 to 31st March, 1979. Question, "That the sum of $445,570 shall be supplied to the Government under the head of expenditure for the public services shown in the First Supplementary Estimates of Expenditure for the financial year 1st April, 1978 to 31st March, 1979 contained in Paper Cmd. 3 of 1979", put and agreed to. Resolution to be reported. Thereupon Mr Speaker left the Chair of the Committee and took the Chair of the House”
“Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not wish to split hairs or speak at cross purposes. May I read out the explanatory statement? It says: 'The need for supplementary provision under the above object group is because of the payment of compensation for damages arising from the increase in the number and seriousness of cases involving Government negligence and because of unforeseen expenditure incurred in London in respect of extradition proceedings.' Sir, there are two sums sought for. (a) Accidents involving Government vehicles. . . . . . . . . . $168,180 (b) Legal fees, claims and costs for all departments. . . . . . . . . . . . . . $277,390 ________ Total to be voted. . . . . . . . . $445,570 ________ I think I can well understand the meaning and explanation given. But I do not think I am speaking at cross purposes with the Hon. Minister concerned. An hon. Member: Crossing swords!”
“Lawyers cost more, as the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Education has pointed out. I must thank him. Sir, Mindef was concerned in 291 accidents and it has the largest number of vehicles. The number is supposed to be secret; how secret it is I do not know. Mindef being the Ministry with the largest number of vehicles, most of which I have described as monsters on the road, these 291 accidents ought to bring home one point. Our roads are not that wide and not that straight. And there are also other road users. The Ministry of the Environment was concerned in 50 accidents. The Minister has suggested that I direct my question to his successor, the new Minister for the Environment. On Mindef he has asked me to direct my questions to the Minister of Defence. Sir, I can merely say that the buck has to stop somewhere. I well understand that the Attorney-General's Chambers looks after all these claims. But somebody must provide satisfactory answers to my questions. Sir, unless I get satisfactory answers, I am not going to withdraw my amendment. [Applause.] Mr Barker: Sir, we seem to be speaking at cross purposes. May I remind the hon. Member that his notice of amendment to cut $10 is merely confined to Subhead GA-02 in respect of item (a) Accidents involving Government vehicles. If you look at the Supplementary Estimates, the second part is item (c) Legal fees, claims and costs for all departments. Last year the Member spoke on all these. This year his amendment is confined merely to the first part which deals with the accidents. Hence, I have said nothing about legal fees, claims and compensation. But let me assure him that we are not passing the buck. We Ministers work together.”
“Sir, my Backbench colleague says 4.8%. I am not an economist. I do not really know how this figure can really be inflated.”
“Sir, I am not thoroughly satisfied and convinced with the answers given by the Hon. Minister. He gave the figures for the four years from 1975 to 1978. I would just like to make a quick subtraction of the figures compared, 1977 against 1978. In 1977, the Minister gave the figure of the number of accidents as 1,819 against a slight drop to 1,784 in 1978. In real numbers, there is only a decrease of 35, i.e. less than 20%. But in the previous reply, the Hon. Minister indicated that this sum did not include repairs. Today he has explained that this includes repairs. And also the increase in compensation was due to inflation. Sir, I was just wondering how high is our rate of inflation in terms of compensation given. An hon. Member: 4.8%.”
“Sir, I would like to draw the attention of the House to two words in the statement "seriousness" and "negligence". In short, I believe this House should be alarmed at this frank and honest disclosure. But, Sir, I would like to ask what is being done to curb or reduce the number of accidents involving Government vehicles. Are the Government departments made aware of this aspect? To me, the campaign mounted last year by the Traffic Police on "Road Safety" appears to have fallen on deaf ears! Therefore, I would like to reiterate that something should be done. If the number of accidents involved comes mainly from the Armed Forces, then the Hon. Minister-in-charge should look into this. The heavy vehicles of the Armed Forces and others too of the various Government departments are "monsters" on the road. Those driving them should exercise more caution and consideration to small vehicles on the roods. Sir, I would like the Hon. Minister to state how many accidents involving Government vehicles were involved in the current fiscal year, FY 78; how many fatalities were there, and what steps are being taken or will be taken to reduce the number of accidents? Also, would the Hon. Minister, although he is in charge of the Attorney-General's Chambers which represent the Government in all accidents and claims against accidents involving Government vehicles, kindly notify his fellow Ministers on this as he had earlier stated that he cannot speak for them, I am sure this can be done, but if it is not possible then I would suggest that each Ministry make provision for this item and face the queries instead.”
“Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, That the sum to be allocated for Head G be reduced by $10 in respect of item (a) of Object Group 3310 of Subhead GA-02. Sir, last year on 27th February, 1978, I raised several points concerning accidents involving Government vehicles, for which an additional sum of $30,210 had to be sought for under the First Supplementary Estimates of Expenditure for the Financial Year 1st April, 1977 to 31st March, 1978, contained in Paper Command 1 of 1978. The Hon. Minister-in-charge had given figures on the number of accidents and Government vehicles involved as well as the disclosure that "thirty-two departments were involved.". This is contained in Hansard, Vol. 37, No. 7, col. 395. He also pointed out that "a sum of $200,000 was originally voted for this item for expenditure on accidents involving Government vehicles." The sum did not, of course, cover repairs to Government vehicles. I sought an assurance that "accidents involving Government vehicles be kept to a minimum." But as the Hon. Minister pointed out, "I cannot speak for the other departments concerned." He went on to state further "that the majority of the accidents comes from the Armed Forces and the number of Government vehicles has been increasing over the years. So has the number of accidents." To-day, Sir, this House is again asked to approve a sum of $168,180 and according to the explanatory note "The need .... is because of the payment of compensation for damages arising from the increase in the number and seriousness of cases involving Government negligence...." This sum now sought for represents more than a 55% increase over the vote of $300,000 approved last year, FY 78. As for FY 79 some $400,000 will be sought for.”
“Sir, would the 42 teachers from the 32 schools transferred to the nine selected Chinese secondary schools be sufficient to meet the requirements of teaching? Also, Sir, would the hon. Senior Minister of State give us the breakdown figures of the medium of teaching of these teachers?”
“It is noted that from time to time, when certain measures are introduced, some people gripe and grumble over them. But I would like to pose them this question: "Do you want to stay in one piece by accepting a little pain or the prospect of having to lose everything, including yourself?" Sir, in conclusion, may I also congratulate the President on his re-election and wish him good health and happiness. Sir, I fully support the Motion moved by the hon. Member for Serangoon Gardens. 4.08 p.m.”
“This does not mean that Singapore has an enemy in mind, but I am merely stating my views on the possibility that this may come about. Because if we are not prepared for it, what would happen? No Singaporean should seriously believe that he too can join in the "boat-people" to freedom. There is no place for refuge; let us not forget that the world does not owe us a living and that no country in the world is under any moral obligation to accept Singaporean refugees as such. It can be seen that, in spite of the clamour to the world to accept the so-called Vietnamese refugees, not many countries have agreed to accept the entire lot, and that not all of the refugees were accepted. So, the question of survival in this part of the turbulent world becomes more urgent and important. Look at what is happening in Kampuchea. Phnom Penh has fallen again after barely four years when the Khmer Rouge forces overran it. This time Kampuchean rebels and the Vietnamese have joined forces to topple the Pol Pot regime. Now Laos, Vietnam and Kampuchea have banded themselves together. If this is the case, a very serious crisis may befall not only Thailand but also Malaysia, as well as Singapore. In this respect, Sir, the President's caution that "the danger is that these clashes may spread beyond Kampuchea into Thailand" is timely and we, in Singapore, must stay ale" and watch the situation closely. Thus the Foreign Ministry's Addendum that "we must constantly and realistically adjust to external events if we are not to be overwhelmed by them" should jolt every Singaporean to the harsh reality of the need to be ever ready "to make painful adjustments" so that we can remain in one piece.”
“In this respect, I read with confidence what the Defence Ministry sets out to do. While it is only right that improvements all round are being taken care of, it is also necessary that our national servicemen perform their duty to the nation. The Armed Forces need to be practical and realistic in shaping our national servicemen to answer the call of duty. Could we therefore not mould them after the Swiss fashion? Every able-bodied man is a useful man and he should certainly know his duty. I would venture to suggest an extension of National Service up to 50 years of age instead of at 40 or 45 years, and that every year intensive in-camp orientation exercises for one month be conducted to keep them in trim. This may cause a further burden on the State's coffers as well as disruption to work, but I think it is a price we have to pay if we are to ensure that they are fighting fit. On top of this, though it may not be necessary to call up the young girls, I believe an exercise to recruit them for auxiliary services will be an advantage. For all you know, girls may prove to be as hardy as the boys. Suffice it to add that if the girls are trained, they will also understand and appreciate what the boys are doing for the Nation. How do we then go about preparing ourselves for any eventuality? Firstly, Singaporeans, especially the so-called intelligentsia, should stand ready and not be oblivious to what is happening around them. They should be prepared to come forward and be counted upon to serve, when called. Secondly, our youths especially the males should take their stint of national service another step forward, that is, be prepared to respond positively to the call to defend the nation.”
“" I know there are many CPF contributors who do not qualify for HDB flats or for that matter HUDC flats because of their high income and therefore cannot make use of their CPF savings at all. I hasten to add that I am not championing the cause of such contributors. From time to time, Government float loans and issue loan stocks, so I would like to suggest that these contributors and others be allowed to own them in the same manner of SBS shares. After all, it is a fact that incomes today have gone up much higher and the situation has changed very dramatically. I would therefore submit that this suggestion is in order and should be taken note of. Next I would like to refer to the subject of political leadership. Although the President has stated that two or three have been found, it is hoped that in the next by-elections some more will be found. Continuity of political leadership is vital. The kind of material necessary has not, by and large, come to grips with crises and is therefore to my mind, an unknown quality. It can only be hoped that they will not let down those who hand-picked them and also not let Singapore down. That they are men of vision and substance, for they have been well-chosen and are supported or will be supported by the great majority of Singaporeans, and that they will think hard and make the right decisions, though some of them may be painful, will be to the betterment of Singapore. In the final analysis, the people too have an important role. They should not adopt a passive attitude and merely let these bright guys do all the work whilst they are embroiled in a world of their own. This attitude should change. The people should also understand why certain things have to be done and that adjustments have to be made for their well-being.”
“I find this lacking in the schools and from my discussions with some school principals, even subjects like Education-for-Living in the primary schools and Civics in the secondary schools are vague. To my mind a proper programme should be drawn up and that the schools are supplied with it to teach. On the question of national identity, similar questions can also be asked. This should be done not only through lessons in class but also in other activities in which a Singapore identity can be forged. Every child in school should be taught to identify himself as a Singaporean first and be proud to be one. With bilingualism now implemented in the nine selected schools as well as classes to improve proficiency in English, the Ministry should closely monitor the results and where changes are necessary to achieve the objective, such changes should be made. I am all for the full day schools. In fact, I would submit that more schools be opened for this instead of a few selected schools in 1980. Not to do this will give rise to serious problems, like allegations of unequal treatment. Full day schools will have more time for the school curricula and that the pupils will not be saddled with the problem of having to do their homework outside school. Sir, I note with dismay silence on the part of the Labour Ministry on making use of CPF savings in relation to the Finance Ministry Addendum that it "will consider selling off parts of our earlier investments in some enterprises which have already fulfilled their pioneering roles." When the Singapore Bus Service shares were offered to the public, CPF contributors could make use of a portion of their savings to buy the shares. Why not allow the contributors to buy "parts of the investments?”
“Mr Speaker, Sir, the President in his Address to this House on 26th December, 1978, stated the three factors that "will influence events and help shape the deliberations of this next session of Parliament", namely, Singapore's economic growth next year, the Vietnam and Kampuchea conflict, and the next political leadership of Singapore. And with it, the Addenda of the various Ministries. May I submit my observations on the policy statements on the Ministries of Education, Labour, Defence and Foreign Affairs as well as the Vietnam and Kampuchea conflict and the next political leadership. Whereas I fully agree that "education in schools will focus on three main areas" enunciated in the Addendum on the Education Ministry, I cannot help but submit that whilst it is all right to put this in cold print, it is another to implement. The House will recall that I took to task the Education Ministry during the Budget Debate last year on the implementation of the policy by the officials of the Ministry. I can only hope that they fully comprehend this declared policy and will carry it out accordingly. One of the questions I would like to pose first concerns "inculcating Asian values and a sense of national identity through both the mother language and English." How is this to be carried out? What is the number of periods set aside in the school curricula to achieve this objective? In other words, has the Ministry prescribed any books written by local authors for the teachers to teach this subject? Or does the Ministry merely provide the guidelines on the content and leave it open to the schools to gather the material?”
“Mr Speaker, Sir, since flood alleviation schemes can alleviate flooding in the areas concerned, would the Hon. Minister not look into the feasibility of formulating a conceptual plan to cover those affected areas with flood alleviation schemes?”
“Sir, I did not ask for a hospital in Punggol. I merely suggested that hospitals should be built in the big housing estates.”
“It may be bad for the Member for Whampoa. For the constituents in my constituency, which is a rural constituency, the nearest hospital is the Toa Payoh General Hospital. This hospital is out of the way. The stretch of road leading to it is at least more than a quarter of a mile from Thomson Road. After midnight, there will be less buses and after 12.30 a.m. there will probably be no bus services. There are very few taxis plying along Punggol Road after midnight. So anybody who has the misfortune to fall sick and cannot get the attention of private doctors will have to seek medical attention at this hospital which is supposed to be the nearest. In this respect, I would like to ask the Minister why there are so few hospitals. He might turn around and say, "We took over Sembawang Hospital, Changi Hospital and Alexandra Hospital". Those were military hospitals. But we will be spending millions of dollars to build a new general hospital next to the Singapore General Hospital. This is a modern general hospital. In keeping with the conceptual planning of Housing Board estates like Ang Mo Kio, Toa Payoh, Woodlands, Bedok and Au Kang New Town, why are hospitals not planned in those areas so that the people will not have to travel a long distance to a hospital? On this note, Sir, I share the sentiments expressed by my other colleagues and earnestly hope that the Hon. Minister for Health will kindly consider our appeals.”
“Sir, I am not an economist and I do not juggle with statistics. But I base my remarks on the facts and figures in the best way that I can. Sir, what happens if this person's condition deteriorates? He must go to the emergency unit of the hospital to check whether it is a case of severe diarrhoea, food poisoning or even cholera. If the Government increases the fees beyond the pocket of the poor and sick person I fear that there is a danger that he may not seek medical attention. This may prove detrimental to the society because it may result in the person dying or spreading a disease like cholera. My next point is on the role and function of hospitals. Health services are provided under social services for the people and that is what the Government is doing. It has spent vast sums of money in providing such services. Again, with due respect to the Minister, along with my colleagues who have spoken so well by giving good reasons, I feel that this increase in fees should be rescinded. Otherwise, as pointed out, not only the workers but there will also be others who cannot afford to pay the increased fees as in the case clearly illustrated by the Member for Anson. Had it not been for a relative who paid the fee of $10 for a school boy, he would not have received medical attention. So I am sure even the Hon. Minister and Members of the House will agree with me that nobody likes to go to a hospital unless he is sick at the odd hour.”
“An increase of $4 to $10 is 150% increase.”
“That day has been well described by my friend, the Member for Anson although the statement was made on 23rd March. I would say, with the greatest respect to the Minister for Health, that the timing was bad. Amongst other reasons given by the Minister for revising these fees sharply upwards is that the services of the Accident and Emergency Departments at the hospitals are being abused by people who are not sick enough to need medical attention. There was an illustration of a person who had a stomachache and believing that there was something really wrong with him, he went to the hospital. But I will go a step further on this illustration. This is with regard to the poor Singaporean who has a stomachache or what may be described as an abdominal pain at the right side. I am sure he himself cannot diagnose whether it is a simple case of stomachache or acute appendicitis. If I may go further, suppose he vomits and has diarrhoea. When he turns up at the emergency unit he surely has to pay the penalty of this 150% increase.”
“I thank the Minister for reminding me but it is a day -”
“That is right. But on 1st April the increased fees came into force.”
“Sir, whilst I agree with the Ministerial Statement of the Hon. Minister for Law, the Environment and Science and Technology, I have just one small question. Will his Ministry look into the question of assisting in the exhumation of these graves and finding proper places to keep the remains of the dead?”
“Sir, since the Minister for Finance is now here, he might have missed some of the points raised, especially the working conditions and the poor salary in the People's Association. I would like to join the Senior Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, who is in charge of the People's Association, in impressing upon the Minister for Finance the need to revise the salary structure of the staff in the People's Association so that they would be able to recruit more staff to work in the People's Association which is for the people. On that point I beg leave to withdraw my amendment. Amendment by leave, withdrawn. 4.30 p.m. The time allotted for Head V having expired, the following amendments were not proceeded with:-”
“I would imagine that for large active centres the Minister should think of providing more land. An area of 36,000 sq. ft. is quite small if we think in terms of building a new community centre. Once we have a basketball court, that does not leave us with very much space for other activities which may, in fact, be necessary. This is particularly true in the case of old HDB estates where there is already so much congestion. These HDB flats are so close to one another that there is hardly any land for recreation. There is also no greenery. We have raised this point the other day when we touched on the Housing and Development Board. Some promises have been made and I am waiting to see some changes in the old estates. Community centres are perhaps the only place in an estate where people can congregate under a more congenial environment, where they can meet and have a close inter-relationship with one another. This is a point which I hope the People's Association would impress upon the Ministries concerned. I believe that the Ministry of Finance is again the stumbling block. But I certainly hope that the Minister concerned would do his level best. I have now mentioned the points which I wish to raise, and I wish to thank you, Sir, for the time given to me.”
“It is my experience that under this new scheme I come to realise for the first time those people who actually work and those who turn up only when their Member of Parliament is around. Sir, there is a need to build new centres because the old ones are cracking. Further, there is also this necessity to provide new facilities and better playgrounds, working conditions, rest area and so forth for the community. We are all trying to put in as many facilities as possible to cater to the needs of new circumstances. However, I would say here that it is very important for the People's Association to bear in mind the fact that not all the constituencies and estates are identical. We have differing needs. The constituents in better-off areas, say, Cairnhill or Tanglin, would have a different kind of requirement as would those in, say, Geylang Serai, Kim Seng or Bukit Ho Swee. Therefore, the People's Association or, for that matter, the Ministry of Finance, must not stick to the stipulation that every community centre should have one billiard room, one squash court and one tennis court. My constituents may choose to have two basketball courts as they may not like to play billiard. They prefer to play volley ball. The People's Association should not insist that only if we opt for a billiard room, will we get the necessary subsidy. I think this is a point which I would like to bring across; because I face that problem. Before more people come across this problem, we should think about it so that there will not be any unnecessary contention later on. 4.15 p.m. The second point is with regard to land. We are told that the maximum area for a community centre is 36,000 sq. ft. That is about four-fifths of an acre.”
“I am therefore very happy to note that in the Development Estimates for 1978 the vote for the People's Association has increased from $2.1 million to $5.7 million. This means that there is, in fact, an increase of $3.6 million. I think this is rightly so, particularly when we are now undertaking major and necessary changes in the People's Association and the well deserved phased developments of community centres throughout Singapore, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the People's Association on its renewed momentum, and of late it appears that proper directions are being given to its staff and to the volunteer workers. In the redevelopment of community centres we have been given a list of new centres to be developed over the coming years. We are supposed to see about a dozen new centres being built this year, a lesser figure next year and a smaller figure for the year following. I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the People's Association and the Government for increasing its subsidy from the small figure of $150,000 to a block grant of $350,000 for key centres. For that figure, we need the local leaders to raise $100,000 and thereafter dollar-for-dollar contributions up to a maximum of another $200,000. I think this plan is very good for while it provides a reasonable sum of money it also makes it compulsory that the local leaders and workers and those who use the centres would contribute their share and have a sense of attachment, belonging and pride in the centres that are built. If anybody so desires to have a better-than-the-ordinary centres, they have to work for it and they deserve it.”
“This matter of soliciting funds from the people every now and then should not be encouraged. Would the Minister in charge therefore kindly look into the question of increasing the subsidy, thereby lessening the dependence on the management committee to raise funds from time to time? On the other hand, of course, the management committee has to spend a lot of money to organise such fund-raising activities. I recall the Senior Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, who is in charge of the People's Association, making an announcement in the press encouraging the setting up of a central development community centre fund, or something like that. I am not too sure of its name. But I think this is a good idea. Therefore, I would be grateful if he could enlighten the House as to the progress of his suggestion. Dr Ong Leong Boon (Kim Seng): Sir, I rise to make some comments on the People's Association and to pose two questions. In the Addendum to the President's Address last year the role of the People's Association was defined as having a very definite role in nation-building, and a move was made to encourage more people to involve themselves in matters of public interest and national development projects. It also pledged that programmes in the community centres would be geared to promote a greater social cohesiveness and neighbourliness, and this is particularly so when at the present moment more than 50% of Singapore's population are housed in Housing Board estates. More members of the public would be encouraged to participate in community work and there was also a pledge that new and better equipped community centres would be built to cater for the changing needs of the population.”
“Sir, I beg to move, That the sum to be allocated for Head V be reduced by $10 in respect of Subhead Code VC-02 of the Development Estimates. Sir, everybody knows that community centres play a very important role not only in the welfare of the constituents but also, on a nation-wide basis, in helping to promote mass participation in cultural, social and other community activities. In this respect, I would like to pose some questions to the Minister in charge drawing his attention to the working conditions of the staff in the People's Association. I am given to understand that there was some difficulty in the recruitment of staff. This could be due to poor salary and long working hours. It could also be due to the nature of the job which demands much of their time on the ground organising activities. We have to bear in mind that the community centre staff, though trained, sometimes come across problems. It is an unrewarding job, so to speak. In this respect, would the Hon. Minister in charge kindly consider my request for a thorough review of the entire salary structure of the staff of the People's Association, from the highest post to the lowest, i.e. the caretaker? The other point I wish to make is the question of subsidy to the community centres. We all know that community centres have management committees. They are supposed to manage the community centres and organise various types of activities and even fund them. But the People's Association contributes only a paltry sum as subsidy. This subsidy is enough perhaps to pay PUB bills. In my constituency there are five community centres and this subsidy which has not been revised for a long time is hardly sufficient. The management committees have time and again got to raise funds by organising activities.”
“Sir, before I withdraw I would like to tell the Senior Minister of State in the instance where the senior officials of the Ministry met the students, that the students were from the Catholic Junior College and the Anglo-Chinese Junior College. On that score, I must thank the Senior Minister of State for Education for his kind reply, and I beg leave to withdraw my amendment. Amendment by leave, withdrawn. The sum of $429,963,510 for Head T ordered to stand part of the Main Estimates. The sum of $50,058,400 for Head T ordered to stand part of the Development Estimates. 4.15 p.m. Head U -”
“Sir, I must disappoint my good friend, the Member for Anson, when he said that he agreed with me on this question of the hours of a junior college. My idea was that it should be what it is. A college is a college. Students go to college for a multi-purpose. Besides studying, there is interaction and the lot. So it takes a longer time. I am all for these longer hours in the junior colleges. But there is one little question which I have posed and which the Senior Minister of State has not been kind enough to answer. That question concerns the attitude of some of the Ministry's officials in handling students. As he has pointed out himself, the students are aged 16 years and above. They are young men and women. The second point which I made was that some of the officials appeared not to be conversant with the policy. So if I could have some explanation, I will be too happy to withdraw my amendment.”
“Sir, I have clarified myself that the quotations were taken from the Addenda to the President's Speeches as contained in the Hansards of the years I mentioned earlier on.”
“Sir, I was merely quoting from the Addenda to the President's Speeches and these are in the Hansards. With due respect to the Senior Minister of State for Education, I believe he knows the matters that I have raised and I think he has got all the answers with him.”
“Yes, it might have been asked before. But I believe there was no reply and by repeating it some attention can be drawn, and I hope a reply will be forthcoming. Sir, philosophising is one thing, but putting moral philosophy into reality is another. The question is: to what extent has this objective been achieved? Sir, my last point is on teacher training which has again been touched upon by the Senior Minister of State. Here again, I have to refer to Hansard Vol. 32, col. 22, dated 12th October, 1972, Teacher Training and Staffing, and Vol. 34, col. 14, dated 21st February, 1975: '(iv) Teacher training will take into account... the new system' and Vol. 36, col. 41. '(g) More teachers will be trained to meet areas of shortages ... to the schools.' 3.45 p.m. May I enquire that in the last five years: (a) how many teachers have been trained? (b) what other courses, refresher, post-graduate and the like were conducted to upgrade the teaching skills? (c) how many teachers have been recruited? (d) what is the teacher-student ratio in both the primary and secondary schools as well as in the junior colleges? (e) what is the availability of science and mathematics teachers in the secondary schools and junior colleges? The Hon. Senior Minister of State may in reply conveniently state that I am merely quoting here and there from Official Reports and that all these are being implemented. May I remind him that education is a life-long process. It may well be that from time to time there must be changes as situations warrant it. But in the final analysis the basic education policy remains the same.”