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1. “They decided to give back those management fees. And to me, that was really, really impressive because you're facing down a really terrible economy. Not only are you shrinking the size of your fund to reflect that, you're also shrinking the size of your management fees and you're taking that blow. So things like that, I learned, I learned also how to shepherd companies through that kind of difficult time and how to be a true partner to an entrepreneur. And so, you know, I think it was a really important lesson to learn because I would argue most people haven't seen real cycles. People seem to think 2008 was a real significant dip in the economy. But anyone who lives through 2001 knows that 2008 was a blip compared to a real downturn because we've had a raging bull market for such a long time.”

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2. “Most of the money. So they reduce their fund from $1.2 billion to $450 million. And the reason why that's so interesting and impressive is that the way a venture capital firm makes money, the way you have any salary or the operating money that you have for the firm is a direct percentage of the fund that you raise. And so by shrinking the size of the fund, you're shrinking the size of the management fees that you get. Pretty dramatically.”

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3. “And so was you went from kind of a bad economy to a horrible black hole economy. And so it was a really terrible time for venture. And they had just raised this $1.4 billion fund. So that's, I mean, for venture, that's a huge amount of money. And it's a huge accomplishment to convince so many investors to invest in your venture capital firm at that amount, then Ted took the time to actually start to do analysis with me on how much capital had gone into venture capital at that moment. And then the exits had stopped. There were no more IPOs. No one was acquiring companies. The economy just came to a screeching halt. And he decided, along with the other partners in this firm, to give back”

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4. “Learned so much about people in that process. And that's how he ministered to his entrepreneurs. He also was capable of providing advice at the right time because he really knew those people. And so for me, I felt like it was a really unique interview. It stood out from all the interviews I've ever had, but I think he was learning more about me than most other technical interviews could have gotten to. And then, you know, his other partners, I think Izar Armani gave me sort of more of a case study and could dive into that. But Ted always had a deep curiosity about the human being and not necessarily just the skills.”

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5. “Know, I think Ted is a very unique human being in that I used to have this perception that networking was working in a room and like you shake a lot of hands and hold a lot of babies and you learn a few names and you move on. I learned from Ted that networking is actually a deep curiosity about the human being who's sitting across the table from you. So I don't think he necessarily had that kind of purpose in mind, but that he was just really interested in what I was interested in. And we happened to find commonality. And he was trying to understand how my mind worked and what I was interested in. I've taken that as a real lesson because I love the way he would network.”

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6. “You like to come work with me? And I was living out in Palo Alto at the time. This is an opportunity in Boston. And I remember not even hesitating knowing that I wanted to work with this person, this human being sitting across the table from me. I jumped at that opportunity and it wasn't the fact that it was in venture capital, but rather I really wanted the chance to be working around someone like Ted Dintersmith at that time.”

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7. “But he wanted to know what books I was reading. He wanted to know about the music that I loved. And in that period, I was really into modern American literature. So I was really into EL doctoro. There were a few books that I just absolutely loved, and we talked about that for a little while. And then when we turned to music, I've played piano, classical piano since I was four. And he and I talked about the classical musicians that I really loved. And he happened to be an English lit major along with being a physics major. So he loved books as much as I did, maybe even more. And then he was an opera nut. And so we had all these things that we could talk about in two hours into that conversation, never having touched upon technology, he then basically said how.”

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8. “He was a real finance guy, and he said, you know, you're really good at technology and you're now interested in business because of this exposure to Lou Platt. You know, have you ever thought of venture capital? And I remember kind of reading about it and having heard a little bit about it growing up looking into it and realizing, oh, you have like all this work experience you need to have. I talked to a couple of former Yaleys who were venture capitalist and sort of had that in my in the back of my head. And so, you know, I went off to work at McKinsey as a consultant for three years. And then in the process of trying to figure out what to do next, I met a venture capitalist by the name of Ted Dintersmith. And in that interview with him, we spoke about not about technology, not about the research I'd done or my work.”

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9. “So, having grown up in Palo Alto, I was actually exposed to a lot of startups, even as a kid, I used to babysit for serial entrepreneur. And he was always tinkering around in his garage. And I remember thinking to myself, he works for himself, which is very, very cool. I also, on my debate team was Lisa Brennan Jobs, who I didn't really realize she was the daughter of Steve Jobs until I was in her house. We were talking about debate. I was a senior at the time and I was helping her through learning the ropes of speech and debate. And Steve Jobs sort of appeared out of nowhere. And I remember thinking to myself, what does Steve Jobs doing in this house? And so, you know, it was just sort of, it was all around. And so venture capital was something that actually a friend of mine had brought up when I was still struggling with this notion of what should I be.”

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10. “And I think there's sort of this moment in time that people need to have where you realize that there's no test for human potential. There's no recognition for that. It's something that you have to find inside of yourself. And I think for me, that one of those tests was actually going back to, am I going to be a great doctor? And if I revisit this question that my dad had always asked me, can you be world class? I knew I couldn't because I looked at Kathy and she was going to be world class. She loved helping people and she loved helping people from that kind of caretaking perspective, which is not where I was going to be world class. But I felt like there was something in me where I could be great at something. That just wasn't it.”

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11. “Tried to put me into preschool to socialize me, but I ended up biting the person who was interviewing me. Preschool slot, and they put me in special education. I was one of those kids who got picked up in a short yellow bus from our house and taken to a state-run program for special children. And I think for a long time, my mom wasn't really sure what I was, but she just decided to be all in on the fact that I was gifted and talented, even if I wasn't. And she was really worried that I was one of these special children. And so I had sort of an environment around me way before Yale where I knew what I was capable of, even if the test score showed that I wasn't. And I knew that I knew what I was capable of even if my parents didn't see it in me.”

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12. “So, I think it goes back to actually the moment in debate where my mom is telling me you should do fencing instead of debate. There was this realization of, oh, my parents really love me, but they don't know me. No one really knows me in terms of my capabilities and what I feel like I can get done. No one knows that better than I do. It was an important lesson for me because One fact that I didn't mention is that as a kid, there was no sign that I was special except for, you know, these weird characteristics where I would go learn negotiations. But I failed the IQ test multiple times and the school district insisted I was not gifted or talented. My mom had to fight for me to be part of this gifted and talented. Program as a two year old after I was really hostile to people who spoke English My mom stuck me in”

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13. “Predictable thing to do, but the actual work at the end of the day was not something I was going to love or enjoy. And that was really disturbing to me. And so I really screeched off of that path. And it was hard because I had actually taken all of the requirements except for biology. And the pre-med requirements did not actually overlap very much with electrical engineering. taken a lot of extra classes to make it a possibility, but realized also it wasn't for me. And that's where I was sort of in this state of not knowing what I wanted to be.”

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14. “And she looked at me like I was an alien. And she said, Why are you saying this right now? We're about to take me MCATs and we need to go study for it at Kaplan. But, you know, I was just constantly observing her and she is just this incredible human being and she continues to be. But this realization of, wow, like the actual job of being a doctor may not be something that I actually enjoy was really a hard realization when you've been all in for this long. And so it was a realization that I really had to face and I knew my gut that I was doing it because it was a really great path. It was a path where I knew what the next step was. I knew what next class I had to take. I knew the next exam I had to take. Then there was applications. Then there was school and then there was residency and fellowship. And it just felt like a really”

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15. “That this is two days before we're taking the MCATs. I said, hey, Kathy, I hate hospitals. I don't like actually being around sick people. I also don't love it when people are always complaining to me. And I think that might get in the way of me being a doctor.”

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16. “And I was the complete opposite. I think when I was four, I wanted to be a farmer. Then somewhere along the lines, I really wanted to be a doctor. And I wanted to be a doctor for a fairly long period of time where in freshman year summer, I took organic chemistry. I was in this pre-med track. I think sophomore year summer, you take the MCATs if you're pretty sure you want to go to medical school. And that summer I was with my best friend who also really wanted to go to medical school. And she is right now studying leukemia. She's a doctor at UCSF. So she's clearly gone down that path and doubled down on it. But I remember going to study for the MCATs with her and I turned to the sign and I looked at her and I had this sudden realization, which was”

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17. “I actually had multiple different paths. So I started off when we were talking about my brother describing this kid who knew he wanted to work with cars or airplanes from the get-go. And guess what he's doing right now? He's in Germany working with race cars.”

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18. “So you could only imagine how incredible she is as a sales leader taking a company from zero to $50 million in revenues. So we have a lot of different types of people, whether they're CEOs or CROs or venture investors coming in to talk about the kinds of trade-offs they had to make and how they decipher growth to make sure that they have the real kind and not just kind that they're buying.”

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19. “No, exactly. So we use that case study for Qualtrics. There is one on Floodgate. So if you go to the Harvard Business Review site, you can actually just search for Floodgate or Qualtrics and it'll come up. And they're somewhere between, you know, $5 and $15. They're pretty easy to buy and download. But I think those two in particular are quite valuable. We have then also just people coming in and speaking about some of the things that they've learned and how to grow that business from zero to one and then one to X. And people like Michael Siebel, who is now a partner at Y Combinator, but also was part of Justin TV and Social Cam, we have Stephanie Schatz, who was the fearless leader on the sales side for Xamarin. She had 18 straight quarters of beating the”

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20. “So, the ones that we've focused on, there's a Harvard business case on Floodgate that you can purchase off of the Harvard Business Review website.”

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21. “Sold to universities and companies, but we couldn't get enough density to get transactions really moving fast. And it was two and a half years before they launched Lyft. And in the first six weeks, you could start to see that there was real traction there. And it was only after they knew what they were doing with Lyft that they went and raised a large round with Founders Fund and then an even larger round with Andresen Horowitz. And that story of really, really hacking value before you go out and hack growth is something that I don't see often enough in Silicon Valley. So it's something that I'm continuing to seek. And I love to see companies, especially outside of Silicon Valley, that do that. And that's when we come back to hunting for Thunder Lizards. That's what I'm looking for.”

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22. “Going to have Ryan Smith, who is the CE of Qualtrics, come in and speak. And I think he's a great example because I think he was at $50 million in revenues before he raised a dime venture capital money. And so as a result, he's going to own an incredible piece of his company when it exits and it will. And so I love the capital efficiency with which he built his business. I also think, you know, one of my companies, Lyft is a great example of having that kind of discipline early on and not just wasting venture capital dollars in the early days when they didn't have product market fit. So they spent two and a half years working on this platform called Zimride, knowing that they had to get to density in riders. And Zimride was just a platform where you could find carpooling arrangements and was being”

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23. “Specifically within startups, there's so much that we see that is fake. And no one has ascribed actual adjectives to growth until now. And so the class that I'm teaching to engineering students at Stanford is around what is actually intelligent growth. And so you asked about the reading for it. It's all around some of these case studies that we've seen. A great example of that to me is Qualtrics.”

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24. “Yeah, so we actually teach, I'm starting a class today at Stanford for the new spring quarter. And in this class, what we're teaching is what I would call intelligent growth. It's a little bit different than the Mayfield Fellows, but my hypothesis, my belief is that just like fake news in politics, there is actually something that we would call fake growth.”

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25. “So, if you get to be involved in it, you get to really know some of the students. And I've been mentoring students and sometimes teaching some of these classes since 2008. And you get this whole arc of the career path of young people. And I really love it. I think it's just sort of you get to see students who start off as seniors and then they start their career. They might go to grad school. Then they go back and get a job. They get married. And then I think one is now about to have a kid. So you just sort of see this whole arc and it's just about 10 years, 20 years behind where I was. And so I get to see this incredible progress that these students make over time. So it's something that I love.”

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26. “We were teaching them basic concepts behind leadership and entrepreneurship. And it's sort of the first exposure that they get as juniors and seniors into really startup ecosystem. What does venture capital do within that ecosystem? What are the tough choices that you have to make as a leader within these types of organizations? What does growth look like in these types of organizations? So it's just sort of startup 101. But what I love about it is it's only 12 students and it goes for nine months.”

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27. “Yeah, so I teach at Stanford. So after my PhD, what I realized was I loved teaching more than anything else. And so I stayed in contact with Tina Selig and Tom Byers over at Stanford who run the Stanford Technology Ventures Program. And they've given me the opportunity to teach a few different classes. But the one that I got, these metal plates and the photograph from was the class of 2013 Mayfield Fellows Group. And they have words like Thunder Lizard, Badass, inspiring mother. So, you know, it's just really fun to see sort of what words they thought”

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28. “I have the original lyft pink moustache. Used to go in the front of the cars, which I love. I have also a picture and a set of laser etched metal plates that students gave to me that have sort of a word graph of all of the words that they thought they ascribed to me”

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29. “Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, and then for notebooks, it's the Nuna. It's N-U-U-U-U-N-A, some European brand, but I like any notebook that has the dot matrix on it, the paper quality is really great”

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30. “Unbelievable. So it's summers I would spend maybe like two blocks away from Kenokuen. It was an incredible set of summers. But yes, I used to man the cashier register at the office supply store. So I know my pens and notebooks and stamps, like nobody's business.”

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31. “Yeah, it's actually incredible because it's one of the few cities in Japan that was protected by historians in the US. It did not get bombed in World War II because of some of the historic elements of the city. So it's almost like a smaller version of Kyoto and it has a historic Japanese garden called Kendalkuen.”

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32. “Yeah, no, my first job was literally helping my uncle and grandmother sell office supplies in Kanazawa, Japan at our store, Taikido.”

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33. “Female executive in my entire life, and here's someone who I can look at and see and I can see that people around her respect her. It's a life-changing moment and it comes from that first comment from Dean Bromley who says, I've heard of you. I heard you do a great job. And that's where the opportunities opened up.”

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34. “Talking to Lou Platt. And, you know, to me, like mentorship means so many different things. I've had so many different examples of mentors, but to a junior in college who literally is a nobody, he was such an incredible example of mentorship. He never asked for my resume. He never asked for my GPA. He just sort of took this girl and said, you know what, you have something. I see it and I'm going to show you something even greater. And to me, that is such a gift. It was so incredible because I hadn't even thought about my own personal potential ever. No one had ever described anything to me. And I came back from that with my mind completely blown. I met Anne Livermore, who was an executive, and I never seen.”

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35. “To visit. I thought you would enjoy these photographs. And there's two photographs in there. I frame them in my office now. One is a picture of me sitting on a seat talking to Lou. And then the second picture is Bill Gates sitting exactly in that spot that I was sitting in.”

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36. “And I am going around, he didn't have a driver. He was, this was really just the Hewlett and Packard era of CEOs. He drove himself around in a Ford Focus. I remember this. We would go to different meetings and he took me around. And one of the days actually Bill Gates came to make an announcement about.NET with Hewlett Packard. And so it was an incredible event that happened. I got to sit back stage and see everything that was happening. And Lou Platt then invited the photographer to come in and actually take a picture of me talking to Lou. And I didn't really think about it, but after the fact, I get back to my dorm and Lou Platt has sent me a thank you letter saying thanks for coming.”

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37. “And I remember thinking to myself, I am such a moron. And I said, I think that would be amazing to be able to shadow you for a couple of weeks during spring break. And so this man Lou Platt invites me to just shadow him in 1997.”

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38. “And so I take this gentleman and I take him on a fairly thorough tour of the engineering facilities. And we just had a great conversation. And it started off with, you know, where are you from? And I said, I was from Palo Alto. And it turns out this guy is also from Palo Alto. And we're just sort of talking about Palo Alto and the buildings that are around us. my growing up back in Palo Alto. And in the middle of it, he said, hey, you know, what are you doing for spring break? And it just so happened I was going to go back home and visit my family. And he said, well, that's great because I'm wondering if you want to come and shadow me and see what I do for a living. And in my complete self-centered moment, He said, I'm the CEO of Hewlett-Packard.”

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39. “I'm a junior at the time at Yale and doing this office work. And the Dean of Engineering was this older gentleman, Alan Brombley. And he had no idea who I was. I'd been working in this office for, I think, two years, but he barely knew my name. He was just like this great, he'd worked under George Bush Sr. He was a legendary physicist and I really looked up to this man. And so one day he pokes his head out of the office and the executive assistant was out. And he said, who are you? And I said, I'm Anne Mira. I'm your student assistant in this office. And he said, oh, I've heard of you. I need you to go and give this friend of mine a tour of the engineering facilities. And he's like, I know you'll do a good job. Sarah's told me you're great.”

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40. “Sort of again, when I come back to you don't just get luck, you create these opportunities for yourself to me was a real learning experience.”

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41. “Straight, and I spent a lot of time on the details. And when I was filing things, I didn't just handwrite it. I got a label writer and I made sure it was printed out on labels. And I really tried to do everything as well as I possibly could. And I remember I was getting donuts and I would like make sure I got the fresh donuts instead of the ones that had been standing out in the basket for a while. So every step of the way it was, what can I do to make this experience for the dean or for his executive assistant a delight moment? And it was a real lesson for me because it was a case of real ownership. I felt so much ownership of the job I was doing, even though from the outside, I think most people would have thought it was just sort of a grunt job. And I think that.”

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42. “It so I get to the office and I am actually just photocopying and filing, and I remember standing in front of this photocopy machine with a stack of papers thinking to myself, what is world class in this situation? And I decided it was really crisp copies where you couldn't tell that it was a photocopy. And so I remember really trying to make, you know, the color match and everything was.”

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43. “This really is the best that a five year old could ever do. And it was a constant message. And the story you're pointing to is one when I was in college after living through a lifetime of this is this world class question. I had a moment where I was starting my financial aid package included 10 hours of work study. And I had the opportunity to work in the office of the Dean of Engineering. And what was really funny to me at the time is since I'm leaving to go to my first day of work, I called my parents. My dad gets on the phone. He said, make sure you do a world-class job. And I thought my dad thought I was like really doing something important in the office. And in fact, I was just photocopying and I said to my dad, I'm photocopying and filing. There's no such thing as world class there. And he said, well, I'd still think about it.”

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44. “When he turned to me on anything I ever did from the time I was a small, small child, I would be writing something. And if the handwriting wasn't neat enough, he would say, hey, is this world class? And I remember thinking to myself, you know, four or five-year-old, yeah, this is world class. But he would always push. He would always say.”

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45. “All of his siblings were married, and his mom had the courage to say, you know what, you can go, you can go to the US. So this is sort of the backdrop for who my dad is. He comes to the United States without speaking very much English, gets a PhD in mechanical engineering, aerospace engineering, and then is in LA ultimately as a postdoc and an associate professor. My mom comes to marry him. they are the only family members living in the United States. So really no support. So my dad eventually makes his way out to NASA at Moffitt Field. And my memories of him, he was very engaged on the academics, but he would wake up at five in the morning and go to work and he'd bring back reams of paper and would continue working late into the night. He loved what he did.”

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46. “And he was one of these incredible academics. And so he was at the top of his class in one of the famous high schools in Tokyo, went to Tokyo University, was also then went to Toshiba, which at the time was one of these great companies to work for. And then he ran into a friend who told him he was also a friend who was one of the top at his high school who said, hey, there's great opportunities in America. And this person had gone off to Princeton and gone his PhD and was at that time working in one of the great labs in IBM and was also becoming a professor. And my dad decided that he also wanted to go to the US. And he was the eldest son. And so having a mother who's a widow and three siblings, he had to take care of them until he had saved up enough.”

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47. “My dad grew up in Tokyo right at the tail end of World War II. And so one of his earliest memories actually is just planes coming across Tokyo and the firebombs. And he escaped to the countryside and then came back to Tokyo for high school. His father passed away when he was in college and he literally tutored kids. One guy was like the prime minister's son so that he could make”

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48. “That's a piece that really makes me sad, when people are like, oh, this debate skill is so great to have because now you can like ram people with your ideas. And I've never seen a situation where you shouted people down and convinced them you were right. I've seen situations where by developing true empathy for the other side, you actually create bridges and you create commonality and you create situations where you can actually work together. And I think that's the piece I would take away from my debate experience. I would say actually making the person crying cross-examination probably is not the skill set I should be using in real life, although maybe sometimes I do.”

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49. “That proves that person wrong. So if you go back to what I really loved about debate and what I felt like I got out of it, it was actually this ability to see both sides of an argument, to really delve into a topic and understand why the side that I actually naturally believed could actually be flipped on its head. And that was a really important skill to develop. And I think that was so much more important to develop than the skill to argue for my side. Because I think in the world today, what we don't see enough of is empathy for people you might even disagree with. And we get stuck in our version of truth and what is right. And we aren't truth seekers anymore as a result. We're truth winners.”

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50. “And you know what he's saying, and it's funny, he was a debater as well in college and in high school. And we joke that I would still have beaten him in high school if we had actually gone head to head. But I think it's a really important point that life isn't about winning the argument. And what he's also said to me in the past, it's not about being right. And I think that's so true. It's something that I'm always trying to really practice in life. And I think it's the debater in me makes it really hard. The things that you're pointing out are what's important about it is that people have a tendency to have an inner dialogue where they're right. And instead of really listening to the other person, they're coming up with a next argument.”

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