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Ann Miura-Ko

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  1. “It's funny, my husband has said to me in the past, and this is a lesson that I continue to try to learn and relearn, is that life is not a debate.”

    2024-07-12 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #754: Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ann Miura-Ko · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  2. “Than someone going sort of point by point and teaching you how to debate. Because I think the how is much more around how do you engage in the idea? How do you read and research both sides of an argument? And what do you believe on both sides? And so, you know, one way to do that would actually take a fairly controversial topic and then actually read read a lot of literature on both sides of the argument and then understand where actually the conflict happens or there are definitions that people don't agree on are there nuances that people haven't thought about is there real conflict or are they two ships passing in the night i think you could do that with even the gun control debate or you could do that with immigration or you could do that with abortion and really understand both sides of an argument and that's the way”

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  3. “Even when you get into more modern literature around justice, you have people like John Rawls writing. That is actually a dialogue and a real logical debate. And I always found those examples to be really great to read how people argue philosophical constructs. You know, presidential debates to be honest in politics aren't real debates because it's too ships passing in the night and you don't have real conflict between people. I've also found like the British parliamentary system, if you've ever had the chance to see that on, I think sometimes it's on C-SPAN. That's actually an interesting observation of a real world debate as well because they will actually engage in dialogue around policy. And it's not just ad hominem attacks. I find those sort of real world examples much more.”

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  4. “Getting to yes. Thought was always really good. I actually found the philosophical texts to be extraordinarily informative. So anything where you have that Socratic method in a book, I found really a great way of learning how people debate the greatest philosophers, Aristotle and Socrates.”

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  5. “You only have two debaters that you're judging and you vote for one of them. In some of the rounds, you have just a single judge. And then in another, in the breakout rounds, the semi-finals, you might have a panel of judges. They can't confer. They're just sort of voting individually on who wins.”

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  6. “Courtesy points. It's all about courtesy. There's two different types of tournaments, actually. When I was debating, one was where you had parent judges. And that, I would say, really, the style of speaking your flair really would come into play, your sense of humor. It wasn't really just the line by line arguments. There was also places where you would go where college students were the judges or experienced coaches were the judges. And that's where really the line-by-line logic becomes much more important than just the style of your debate. So it really depends on your audience and you had to read the audience correctly.”

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  7. “And against the resolution. And the format is the affirmative goes up and talks about this resolution and says all the reasons that they support it. And then there's a short cross-examination where the negative then cross-examines the affirmative, asks questions of the affirmative. Then the negative gets up and talks about all the reasons that they're against the resolution and then goes point by point against all of the arguments that the affirmative made and talks about why they're wrong. And then there's another cross-examination of the affirmative against the negative. And then the affirmative gets up for rebuttal. Negative gets up for a rebuttal. And then the affirmative does closing arguments. That's sort of shorter and shorter speeches towards the end.”

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  8. “So it's one person against one person, so it's individual, and it's value based. And so you're really debating philosophy. So an example of one debate that we did, the principle of majority rule ought to be valued above the principle of minority rights or resolved that education is a privilege and not a right. So all of these debates are really surrounding not a specific policy, but it has some application in the real world and what you're trying to debate is a philosophical underpinning behind that statement. And what I loved about debate was you were actually forced to debate both sides. So you had to have cases ready for both the affirmative and the negative. So pro the resolution.”

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  9. “Bunch of nerdy kids dressed in suits holding briefcases, and then maybe that's changed, but that's what it was back then. And then you have a resolution that's been announced nationwide. And that resolution is generally has some philosophical elements to it. This is also Lincoln Douglas' style of debate. And you have”

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  10. “Your luck around, you actually make your own luck. And for me, that was a profound lesson because I placed in that tournament and I placed in the next tournament. And it was like that it just never stopped after that. And I had a losing record all through my freshman and sophomore year. And it's like I turned it around junior year very suddenly. And the main difference was that I was willing to outwork and outdo every competitor who walked.”

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  11. “Cold, and then I could write my cases really quickly. I had already done all this research and I remember going into my very, very first round and I had this deal with my parents. If I didn't win one of my first two tournaments or at least place, then I would quit. And I had this distinct impression walking into my very first round of debate that fall and feeling as I looked across at my opponent that there was no way that they could have outprepared me. And so I knew that whatever they said, I would have five arguments against. And it was this incredible knowledge that it's not that you can be lucky.”

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  12. “I remember looking at her, and I was like, How is it possible that she's my mother? She clearly does not know anything about my athletic abilities if she's suggesting that I move into fencing at this moment. And so I said to them, point taken, give me the summer and I'm going to just work on it. And this is back before the internet. So working on it meant I was at Stanford Green Library reading philosophy books and reading articles about I think they had 12 topics, 12 possible topics that they're going to pull from for the next year. And I just studied those topics. I lived in the library. And then I emerged that year to start competing. And when they announced that first topic, I knew that topic.”

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  13. “No. No. So you have to remember. You know, I come from very traditional Japanese parents who really want me to get into a great university. And my mom at one point right after sophomore year looks at my record and my parents were incredibly supportive. They would go and judge these tournaments every single weekend, spend so much time doing it, driving us all over the state. parents pulled me aside and said, you know, this isn't working. You have a losing record in this activity that you're doing and you appear to be doubling down on your time with respect to this. And if you want to get into a good college, you have to perform well in whatever you're doing. It's not just about effort. You have to have results. And I remember my mom said to me, I've heard fencing is a great way to get into an Ivy League”

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  14. “My six year old at one point, right before kindergarten said, hey, mama, I can make people cry just with my words. And I have to say it was like a really proud moment for me. And then I had to course correct and talk to him about that.”

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  15. “At it. And so I remember at least four or five occasions where someone cried and left the room before the round was over.”

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  16. “Get there There's several stories. So there were points in time where I remember people would cry in that they would crumble in the middle of cross-examination and run out of the room crying. And my coach would see that and proudly bring me a slice of pizza after this happened multiple times. This wasn't a single tournament. And there were moments where they had courtesy points too. So it wasn't just about winning. It was also whether you were courteous during that. There were rounds where I got zero courtesy points. And my coaches, they would ask why we got zero courtesy points. Just a really understand if we were just being mean. But a lot of times it was just because we were, you know, and I was particularly tenacious in cross-examination. And even at the point where I had the person stumped, I would just keep going. I would keep going, keep going.”

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  17. “I love competition. You put in points on anything and I want more. I want more than the next person. And I remember the coaches that we had, we didn't have teachers at our school who were able to coach. And so we had to go across the street to Stanford and find students who were willing to coach. And these kids were 18 to 21 years old. they would pump us up by saying, hey, if you can get someone to cry in cross-examination, I'll buy you a slice of pizza. And so, you know, things like that were extraordinarily motivating. I feel like logic and arguments could get you a step further. It was just something that even though I wasn't good at it at the time, I just loved it. And I felt like if I could just do one more tournament, I'd become even better at it. And you would see that. So that's the thing that I loved.”

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  18. “But getting up on stage and speaking was not something that was natural to me. But the piece that I did love that came very naturally was competition. And I've always been this way.”

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  19. “The first thing is just the people. I reflect actually on the people that I met in speech and debate, and they're doing incredible things. We have just in my year alone, not in my team, but in my local community professors, ones at Harvard and government, ones in philosophy, university of Colorado, one woman is now on the morning show on NPR. We have several venture capitalists. It was just a really interesting group of people, all in the same age group who wanted to talk about really interesting things. I also found that the actual activity itself, it challenged me in a way that I hadn't been challenged before. So I was really good at math and science. And those things really came.”

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  20. “I get to high school, and as every high school freshman's doing, they're looking for different activities to participate in. And I decided to dive into speech and debate. And speech and debate at this time at Palo Alto High School was not a very big activity. There were probably about 20 students on the team. And I found that I really enjoyed it. And it was a really great group of students. And then not only from Palo Alto High School, but from the local community. And I just fell in love with the idea that you could really seriously get up in front of an audience and talk about really important issues, even as a high school student. And so I dove into that activity. It was frankly terrible at it. I think freshman, sophomore year, I didn't.”

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  21. “And I remember taking that experience and feeling like, you know, I was taken seriously in that environment, but it was a great experience because it was a small class. It was like 20 people. And in that setting, I felt okay speaking up. But then on stage, I didn't still. And so it was sort of these small steps that felt like I was getting closer and closer to realizing, oh, I need to actually be able to speak up. I need to be able to say things in front of a large audience. And so there was this desire to face my fears.”

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  22. “I picked it because I remember the book was getting to yes. And my home mom looked at me and she said, Why did you pick this class? And I said, it's because they're teaching you how to get to yes. And I want to know how to get to yes. And I have this incredible experience, this community college, of having class with, I imagine they were probably 30 to 50 year old adults taking this class. And they were probably the most patient, wonderful people. And, you know, we had this experience where you had certain supplies that you were given on pieces of paper and then you had to negotiate. You were on Mars and you had to negotiate supply lines and whatnot and create a real society. But in the simulation, they're taking seriously a 10-year-old kid who's negotiating for supplies.”

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  23. “Picked a normal junior high school writing class, and I was in fifth grade at the time, so 10 years old, and I picked a negotiations class. And it was not in the summer school program, it was an adult class.”

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  24. “So we were talking about you being introverted and shocked. And it was one of these things that I think it really held me back. And I knew actually it was holding me back. The strange part, though, was my mom was recently talking to me about this. a few years prior to that experience when I'm in junior high, I'm on stage, I had actually done this other thing, which was we had this summer school program where I would go to local community college, it was Foothill College and all these schools around the area when they let out for summer, the students would go to this community college take math classes and writing classes and whatnot. So a lot of elementary school students to high school students would be at Foothill College. And so my mom said you have to pick two classes. And one class was a math class, obviously. And she said you could pick your second class. And my brother”

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  25. “I've always been an introvert, so I think it comes probably directly from that. But I was also sort of, I was a strange child, I have to admit. I had a lot of different interests, but I love to do things by myself. I wasn't really that interested in talking to other people. Like one of the first things my mom actually discovered about me when I was a little kid when I was two, I only spoke Japanese. We were living in Michigan. And I used to be this very hostile little child. I would waff by anyone speaking in English and in Japanese, I would say, I wish you would leave. You know, and like, I can't even. My poor mom, my poor mom. And so she was like, Oh, we really should socialize Anne with people who speak English. And we're living in Michigan, so there's no shortage of these people.”

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  26. “Being in junior high and having this happen, my brother got up on stage and said, you know, this is Anne Mira. She's going to be playing a Chopin Nocturne and go. And I looked over and I remember thinking to myself the mental dialogue that's happening in a teenager's mind, this is totally ridiculous because I'm sitting there in front of And that's one of the clearest memories that I have of my brother and me and the difference that we had between the two of us.”

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  27. “I had this brother, an older brother, by exactly two years. We were born on the same day. And he was one of these guys who was so confident he knew that he wanted to study cars and airplanes from the time that I could remember him existing. And he was always confident with friends. And he was also confident on stage. And so as any good Asian child would do, we played musical instruments. I played the piano. He played the violin and we would always have to perform. And I was painfully, painfully shy. And so I would get up on stage and I would refuse to speak. And my mother, knowing this, wouldn't let this get in the way of our performing. She would send my brother up on stage to help announce whatever I was playing. I have this real clear memory of.”

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