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  1. And I'll just leave it at I said David Bradley and the seven year runs. I'm on my second seven year run. I'll talk to you in five years.

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  2. And they're not coming here. The best and the brightest don't come to Washington anymore. We still want some of them here. I want some of them to go to Silicon Valley, but I'd still like to see a few of them come here. And they're not right now.

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  3. It is interesting. Look, how we're covering Trump? Is going to have an impact on our kids and how they consume news and politics. Now, my biggest fear with millennials has been they so disdain politics that they won't run.

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  4. I think Gen Z's, I was talking to my son who's 12 or 13, and he's about to turn 13. My daughter's 13. And I was saying The Bandon book, and he's very interested in politics. And I was like, the Bandon book, this, that, sloppy Steve. And he literally says to me, Mom.

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  5. Well, I'm. No, look, I'm a pearl clutcher every once in a while. You say you clutch, you know, I'll admit to that. I do worry about the damage we're doing to the perception of the press and politics. I think this is a generational damage.

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  6. Why do I care whether it's Pepsi or Coke at this stadium, whether this team is a Nike team or a, at the time Reebok was their chief competitor? And I literally said,

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  7. What's going on with this media rights? Think about it stadiums. There's just a whole bunch of stuff. And they didn't know they needed something every day until we started making something for them every day. And they're like, holy cow.

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  8. Back in the day, he's still there. He came to town the other day when we visited, and it's thriving. It's basically hotline for the sports business world for the leagues. There was nothing. It was one of those things. The sports world didn't have the.

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  9. We call it sports business daily. It is now a $20 million business owned by Hearst down in Charlotte. Yeah, I just saw, but the editor-in-chief is somebody I hired.

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  10. In this town, there's no doubt about it. By the way, the clown thing is a marketing tool for the Dallas Maverick fan base.

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  11. In this town. There's no doubt about it. You know what? He's got this new healthcare thing, which is interesting. He's so highly intelligent on lots of things. Oh, I'm a clown thing. I'm a personal fan of him. His clown thing is not what he's like. I find talking to him the most enjoyable. But the clown clown.

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  12. That's my problem. Bezos is interesting to me. Shell Sandberg is interesting to me, but Tim Cook clearly doesn't want to.

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  13. And it produces something tangible? I think Steve Jobs had enough, like there is, like, to me, the personalities there now, none of them feel big enough to look like they could. You have to have some charisma to be president.

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  14. And Ross Perot, we were sort of enamored. Again, we went into the business world. If you think about our different sectors in life, politicians are not well thought of. Even the military is less well thought of than it was, as far as the generals are concerned, sort of leadership in the military. The tech business, Wall Street is not respected anymore. Bankers, Jamie Diamond, for president, are you kidding me? By the way, Jamie would laugh. Okay, he knows that they're pariahs.

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  15. Well, I don't see any of them as presidential material yet Bezos intrigues me if he wanted to. Look, I would say this. In the 1980s, when the country was looking for an outsider businessman, the first person.

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  16. No, no, no, no. And I knew he does. It just was poorly executed. And you know what happens with these billionaires and too many political consultants? And we can say this, is that they're so enamored with the paycheck they're getting they don't give him good advice. They just, I don't think these billionaires realize that most of these political people they've hired are telling them they're

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  17. You had never been to a truck stop. Your parents never, you never went on one road trip. You've never been to the interstate.

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  18. It is. I have to say, when Zuckerberg, you know, when Mark Zuckerberg went on that tour of Iowa and he posted about a truck stop and the showers, I'm like, really dude?

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  19. And say Lewis is the biggest city that is a gateway to Red America. Pittsburgh's not even anymore. In the same way, St. Louis isn't Detroit yet.

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  20. Well, now he eliminated St. Louis. I wanted St. Louis only because I think it's important for tech to make inroads in Red America

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  21. That matters. Yeah, it does. So, look, I am fascinated by where Amazon's going to pick. I think it's pretty obvious where they're coming when your final 20 cities and three of them are in one market. I think he's pretty much said where this is coming. The question is Maryland or Virginia.

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  22. That's exactly right. And let me plug Jeff for one other thing. I've never met him, but I keep wanting to, he went to the same high school as my dad in Miami. He went to the rival high school that I went to in Miami. So Dade County Public Schools produced Jeff Bezos.

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  23. Buying the Washington Post, thinking about moving my headquarters to another city, proving that I'm a good corporate citizen. Like I said, I will say this. I think Amazon has managed this better than any of the other tech giants. They have figured out how...

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  24. That's what government should do in some ways. It naturally happens. So you know what I'd be doing? I'd be doing what Jeff Bezos is doing.

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  25. It's one of those things that, like, I'll say it, people think about it for a minute, and then it'll never happen because there's always an entrenched interest to protect this. But if you really want a government to work well and be nimble.

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  26. Me, it should be the FCC. We have, look, use the infrastructure we have. I always believe don't start a new agency. I mean, in fact, I have this, if I could run federal government, I would make every agency sunset after 25 years. And then you have to reproof and restart every 25 years. I don't care what the agency is because it's the only way to modernize. It's the only way to make sure that agency doesn't fall behind.

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  27. By the time he does get in a position, he no longer is in touch with the industry and even knows where it's headed. So that's the problem. And the smart tech folks are going to start to prepare for the regulation.

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  28. The way Congress works. Oh, here's somebody on the internet. So it's even remotely part of the policy discussions on how to regulate tech and how to do this. I mean, my point is that we talked.

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  29. It did it. Can you imagine? Is there a technology anyway? My point was though, so Jared Pollis decides to use his wealth to run for Congress. Do you think

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  30. Great examples. Here's Jared For those of you under Do you want to hear my claim to fame? His mother called me when they offered the $600 million. Yeah. Pretending I wasn't a reporter, I don't know why. And she goes, What do you think we should do? And I'm like, thank you for that tip of what's happening. And I said, sell every fucking thing and take cash. And they did it. They did it with good. Can you imagine? Is there?

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  31. Look, the biggest thing is how you've met these individual members of Congress. These are, some of them are extraordinarily bright people who know nothing about some of these industries. There's one person, I always use Jared Polis as my great example. Oh, Jared. Here's Jared Polis when he gets elected. You know, the Blue Mountain Christmas card guy. And for those of you under the age of 30-year-old wondering what the hell is Blue Mountain Christmas cards, but it was like when the internet first started, everybody thought, hey, wouldn't it be great to send an electronic Christmas card? Yeah. And Blue Mountain was it. Everybody thought that was cool for about a year.

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  32. At some point they're going to get regulated. And look, the government hasn't figured out yet how to regulate two industries well. One is tech and the other is Wall Street because in some ways the two work together, they're not working together against the government, but Washington is just always ready to regulate the last technology and the last financial trend rather than... Have the ability to prepare to regulate what's coming.

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  33. It just was noted yesterday, Google spent more, Google, Amazon have been spending Facebook have been spending enormous amounts of money lobbying. Obviously they've learned their lessons since the Microsoft trial of many years ago. How do you look at

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  34. That was ridiculous, and every single thing on it has been done, every single thing times 50. And it's really, and her attitude, Fay Danaway, who is just brilliant in that movie, and his sort of feckless inability to stop it is really interesting. It's a really interesting movie to look at. And you realize absolutely far surpassed what that movie. And that was a satire, obviously. So we have a couple of six or seven minutes left. I want to talk about sort of what we're, because this is focuses on tech. Tech has been at the center of the Russia bots, all kinds of things. And then there's a lot of sort of hostility to the press. They keep getting, I mean, to tech, they keep getting dragged up to Capitol Hill. Does that matter at all? I mean, do they have an influence in...

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  35. It starts with a total. How that could happen. I think about network. I just watched it the other day. I forced several people to watch. If you watch that again, and I remember, I haven't watched it since Trust in Watch it again because you're like...

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  36. You know what I give him credit for with Black Mirror? Yeah, is it It starts, it's like the Twilight Zone, right? It starts with a totally ridiculous premise that you're like, you know, I could actually see how that could happen.

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  37. I'm binging Black Mirror right now. Oh, are you? Don't. Don't told me, he said, stop. My producer Matt Rivero's here with me. Yeah, Google Glass is in your eyes? Yeah.

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  38. What's your angle? We're all onto it Whatever that conduit means, that's why you ask me, it's like, it's not going away. It's still a way for the president to express himself. It's still a way if you use it more than just for press releases. You can break through But I don't see it as sort of a secret weapon anymore or special sauce. It's now just another

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  39. But there is nothing that will chase people away than in often, you know, and not looking inauthentic. I guess why I believe social media is probably peaked as far as a campaign tool is that I think now it's impossible to be authentic anymore in social media. Everybody assumes you're being now people on social media, the users assume they're being...

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  40. Do here So, who is good at that? Because again, I want to get back to the Democrats Republican. I think one of the things that you might be missing is that I think one of the things the reason Donald Trump does do well is because he's quite genuine to himself. I think anyone who's genuine on social media. It's like Kim Kardashian. She's like the biggest. And everyone makes fun of her. And I'm like, but she's genuine to herself. And so it's not, it doesn't feel like a trophy. You want to know why the country...

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  41. One on one, right? Some AI conversations That's going to be a tool that I think will be the, my guess is in 2020 that'll be the one that like somebody says, hey, check out what so-and-so's trying to do here. By 2024, everybody's going to use it. And by 2028, we're going to move on to somebody else.

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  42. So something else is coming The next thing to me is personalizing, right? Obviously, it's the personalization of politics. So right now we've personalized it to the point of your cable channels, your news feeds. Twitter, right? The next level is going to be you and I seeing a Trump for president ad, but your ad is going to address something that they found out that you're fired up about. And the ad that I see. In the same way, and I think we're going to start seeing even more personalized

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  43. In that it's peaked in its ability to be unplanned. Okay, and its ability to still surprise, in its ability to still be, oh, that's clever. I guess my point is there is no new way to use social media now for politics. Everybody knows all the different ways to do it. All the different ways to micro-target all the different ways to use opinion influencers. All of that, everybody knows all the...

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  44. It feels like my gut says social media has peaked. As an influential player in politics? But it's still going to be a tool, the way TV advertising still is a tool.

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  45. Right. So, what do you imagine it going from? Because one of the things that's happened is it's not just Trump that's doing it. And by the way, the Democrats are just awful at it. Just awful. Every time I see, I haven't yet to see a good Democrat using Social media in any way that's effective, as far as I can tell. And I'm not clear why that is.

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  46. And so then it cements it all in. So all tech has done is essentially we've layered this on a landscape that was already starting to polarize, starting to self-select, starting to fall into these silos. And then these tools that the tech community came up with just put it on speed.

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  47. All right, I mean, not a single editorial board in the country said he should be president. Not a single newspaper editorial board in the country. In major markets. So it has been an exploited tactic. And then he built an entire business model out of it with the whole quote, fair and balance wink and a nod deal. Now he's been pursuing, he turned a political tactic for Republicans to win elections in the U.S. Senate in the 70s and 80s and turned it into a media tactic.

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  48. But Ales has been dining out on this tactic. That conservatives should play the victim to media bias. I think media's influence gets overhyped. If the media was so influential, then how did Donald Trump become president?

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  49. But it was basically, it began with the Nixon administration, right? 100%. And so really, actually, you could argue LBJ, right? He was angry at the media too because media was too negative on Vietnam. But he actually respected the media. Hey, if I've lost Walter Cronkite, I'd have lost the country, right?

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  50. He just did it badly. No, no, no, no. But this media bias argument, the modern era version of it. Began basically with Watergate.

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