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  1. The cable circuit back then was just beginning And so, and I thought, okay, that's interesting. I never imagined. I didn't see where this was going. I certainly did I think, well, maybe bureau chief or, you know what I mean? Like, who knew? Like, I'd never, this was not something. Working with Tim, it's going to be fun.

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  2. In fact, I felt like I was being hired more as an off air And he said, Look, MS NBC starting to use Do more politics. You'll probably do some TV, and I'd already been doing some TV then as a hotline person. I've been doing all of them, you know, all the.

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  3. Tim was king, and it's like, and then I literally slept on it over a weekend, and I'm like, I'm really going to regret watching somebody else do that job. So I call him back and I end up accepting the job, he offered it, I accepted. On the day Obama announced because we were on the phone together watching Obama's announcement from Springfield when I agreed to do it. So we'll always remember Saturday, February 10th. That's when he made the official offer. That's when I said yes.

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  4. I'm in the middle of a second seven year run in my head at NBC. We'll see. Sometimes you do a third, or sometimes you do another seven year run at something. And so I was pretty content. And I thought, You know, I don't know. And I said, I probably just signed a contract. I just felt disloyal. So I said, you know what? I don't want to interview, but I was like thrilled that they'd asked because, I'll be honest, a year earlier, I was thinking about leaving. And CBS needed a political director, and I was trying to just get an interview.

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  5. My neck's nay. Yes. I learned from David in this idea of seven-year runs. David believes life is filled with seven year runs.

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  6. And it was, and then all of a sudden, political pops up, and then I was ready to go. I'm like, great. And I was ready to transform Hotline into a competitor politico. And then Tim calls me up. They need a political director, Russert. And I had just signed a contract with David. What I thought was a very generous contract, and I was happy, and I was like, I had autonomy. I was basically getting to run a business without having the burden of owning it and my own risk. That's how I felt. That's that type of empowerment.

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  7. No doubt, and I had just sort of committed to basically helping build the digital side of the Atlantic, of helping to build the Atlantic at the time, how we were all going to do that together. Outside of a paywall. Like we were the paywall kings of Hotline at that point, but this was about proving that this there was a market outside of Washington.

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  8. And once you make a friendship with him, you have a friend for life, and he's that kind of guy. I was working for him. He owned us, and he had just bought the Atlantic, and we were in the middle of all these incredible brainstorms about what we were going to do to try.

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  9. Look, I was pretty content. 1997 is when I joined NBC. I had just sort of recalibrated. I was working at this time for David Bradley, still part of National Journal, but at this point, David Bradley, who's an individual billionaire here in DC. A lot of people know him. One of the just most great gentlemen of Washington.

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  10. I remember the very first time I went online, my father wanted to see a stock ticker. Oh, so... Okay. And I remember we had an Apple IIC And I had to figure it out. I was like 13 or 14, and I remember hooking it up. And we did it, but it was like, okay, but this cost $30 for every half hour. Like, it was some absurd amount.

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  11. It was an ugly thing. It was ugly. No, I always say this. I caught the break. I caught that break. And you know what's interesting after that is they did learn, we were really proud of what we'd done. Right. And we thought, oh, we're going to keep doing this. And then, of course, we all, so what happened was come 1997, the Washington Post says, oh, this worked out. So they hire a third of the staff. And start washingpost.com. ABC says, yeah, they hire a third and start abcnews.com. And so then the rest of us went back to National Journal and we started. To try to do

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  12. But that was it. Now we have that feature. That zoon was literally one time. Walt Mossberg was showing it to Steve Jaws once and he actually put it in his hand and he dropped it because he was like physically repulsed. It was an ugly thing. Yeah, he did ugly. It was the worst object ever created. Everything Microsoft does in those technologies was terrible. I'm not sure what happened. I'd always look at it and think, okay, the opposite is what will work in that way. So you were kind of a techie. You were kind of a nerd.

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  13. And Bill Gates was obsessed with that. But I remember being, well, God, I do wish I could have had that feature, but that was it. Now we have that feature.

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  14. And her big, the thing she lorded over us, well, I can delete a song And it was at the time, it did drive me crazy. At the time, they hadn't figured out a way for you to get, once you downloaded a song that you couldn't get rid of it on your...

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  15. She went to Zoom soon. She lived in Seattle, so she felt loyal to Microsoft. She actually did. She said, she bought a zoot.

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  16. No, no, no, no. I will remember the one time I was jealous of the Zune. I'll give you one. We were on vacation with a couple friend of ours. And she had a zoon. And I went.

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  17. That it was, but it led to other things. It's sort of like saying the early Apple versions of the Newton were wrong, or there's all kinds of versions of the iPhone that happened before the iPhone. All led to it. And the people who worked on it, like the guy who created a lot of the stuff for Google and mobile, Android worked on all the broken versions before it. And the guy who sort of invented one of the inventors of the iPod worked on all the broken versions.

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  18. People take pot shots at CD. I thought you were AOLIM thing. Now that actually is, I think we could say AOL Instant Messenger was the CB radio of tech. How about that

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  19. It was worse than groupthink. It was an absolute ignorance of what was happening. What was happening? And it was really, it was hostile, actually. When I put my email at the bottom of my story, the Washington Post, they were like, why do you want to do that? Why do you want to hear from readers? I'll never forget that. And same thing going to the Wall Street Journal when I was covering the early internet. And they were like, this is going to be a CB radio. They called it CB radio, which was so.

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  20. So, this 24 year old kid gets the opportunity. I was the polling guy, I started handicapping races, was doing everything that, like, I was like, really? You're paying me to do this now? And it's the single thing I try to tell myself every time I roll my eyes about Snapchat, I always say to myself, Dan Balls or Howard Feynman, and I single at Dan. Dan, I think's one actually the most tech savvy journalist of his generation.

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  21. And here's what happened all of a sudden we needed content. And everybody assumed, well, Howard Feynman of Newsweek and Dan Balls of David Road of the Washington Post and Hal Bruno and ABC. None of them.

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  22. It was all the well. About Harry Brown. That was who the nominee was. It was the well and the way they were communicating. So you were doing, so you really were in early techie. That was a very early time.

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  23. It is, but it was always fascinating. If there was political activism. On the net in 96. About Harry Brown. That was who the nominee was.

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  24. We were different, really, because In 96, I hosted chats. I remember this. I did these little chats for politics now, and I remember doing one with McCain. I remember doing one with a couple others. And we would open it up to questions for people. The only time we ever got traffic was when the libertarian nominee for president

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  25. And everyone was dipping in, and it still was super early because Netscape had just gone public, I think, in 1994, the early internet was very early. And again, AOL was the name of the game. He had a lot of politics stuff on there.

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  26. Washington Post, Newsweek, and ABC decide they want to start a political website. And then suddenly we say, wait a minute, guys, let's not compete. Let's join forces. So then politics now happens in 96, and it's the post, Newsweek, ABC, and National Journal.

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  27. I remember I did it while I just moved from Colorado. Long story personal. We all chased people every once in a while. So, you know, I may have chased somebody and I lost. And I end up back here kind of needing work. And so that's what I did. I coated the almanac. And then we get into a partnership

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  28. It was called Politics USA. And we had National Journal want to be with us because we knew how to do something every day. And National Journal had the almanac of American politics in them. So my great contribution.

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  29. So, in the whole reason National Journal bought us, we got into a partnership with them to start a website for the 96 campaign.

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  30. My first beat was house races in'92. Right. And I call it the crime beat of politics. If you want to learn how to cover politics.

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  31. I actually think we're, you know, for everybody that complains about Axios, Politico, and Twitter. Maybe you should blame us at the hotline. Right. We created this idea that you needed this information, let alone hourly. And now, before we.

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  32. And we were the first ones to prove every day. It was the brainchild of this guy, Doug Bailey, who's now deceased. And he started in 87 because he thought, how is, there's no way that professional press corps is going to keep up with 13 legitimate presidential candidates because in 1988, at that time, it's so funny how arcane this is, but 1988 was the first time in 20 years that we were going to have an open presidential seat. There was no either sitting or incumbent running. And so it was like this is going to be the first time of this new modern press corps. Look, out of that campaign. Richard Ben Kramer's What It Takes is written based on the 88 campaign. So it was this idea that there's no way the Washington Post can cover 13 legitimate candidates in.

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  33. Except it took 20 minutes Now, we did it by facts and we delivered them, hand delivered them around town. And there were all those.

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  34. We were on the CompuServe exchange. In fact, there was a time where we had to be as specific, we couldn't be over a certain number of characters.

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  35. Of what I did in campaign policy. And then I ended up doing an internship at this thing called the Hotline back in, it was early 92. I always say Tom Harkin ran for president. Intended to run for president in 92, but it's really the 91 Harkin campaign. And I started interning there, and it was paid internship. Everything I had to do was paid. It was the only way I could finish. I mean, I didn't get a full scholarship to GW, so I was always living paycheck to paycheck to just keep afloat.

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  36. Doing the checks. I took, I remember going, all right, I'll just take this back to my dorm room. And I'm thinking, I have a whole bunch of presidential records, you know, technically in my dorm room as a sophomore at GW.

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  37. That's a big role you played. My favorite My favorite moment is like he gets out of the race. And I'm the last paid employee because you still had to do FEC compliance.

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  38. And then, you know, they decided I was trustworthy enough to be the guy that went to the bank to deposit the checks. Wow.

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  39. Tom Hawkin still to his day doesn't know I worked for him. When I say FEC compliance, I mean, I literally, the checks would come in. I had to enter it in what their employee numbers. By the way, how I learned how the FEC worked to this day has helped me be a better campaign finance reporter for what it's worth. Yeah.

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  40. What's so funny is that people used to, you know, now, of course, the right. The only reason people know about it is I've disclosed it. And so what's always funny is people aide to Tom Harkin.

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  41. But the way I look at it Look, I am not going to tell everybody has to make what's the best decision for them. And maybe I know people that stumbled into journalism, but really their goal is to be in public service.

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  42. And it just so I actually think I would. I've made the decision. I went down the path of journalism. Yep. I'm not going back.

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  43. It wasn't Jay Carney should do what Jay Carney wants to do. But I remember being upset because I knew that it was symbolically going to just reinforce this notion.

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  44. Now I wouldn't at all because I think the credibility of the press is too important. Like, I actually think one of the, I remember being very upset when Jay Carney went.

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  45. I spend a lot of time in speeches now lamenting the lack of good people running for office. And I even, anytime I talk to a crowd, and I always say, if you're here, You were obviously interested and concerned about American politics. So you're at least curious enough to hear whatever I have to say. If you don't like the people running, part of the problem is good people don't run.

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  46. Not run yourself. Not run yourself. Nope. Never. Nope. No, I never thought about it as myself. Why is that? It felt phony. It felt like I had to be somebody else, but it wasn't. It felt at that time, I've thought about...

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  47. Being in the same school. Right. Like I was That was how focused I was on coming to Washington and knowing that's what I wanted. I didn't know about, I wasn't thinking journalism. I thought, I want to run a campaign.

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  48. At least use it to get a music scholarship. And so then I narrowed it down because GW was the only school in DC that allowed for a double major in music and political science

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  49. And then I realized the only way I was going to be able to pay for college. My dad died when I was 16. We had some financial issues. And so the only way I was going to pay for college was on a music scholarship. I played the French horn. I wasn't that at it. It was good enough to obviously...

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  50. I want to get to Washington. So, when I applied for college, I made sure I sent all my SAT scores to every college in the DC area, GW American, Georgetown, even George Mason, and then I discovered where George Mason was. No offense. You're too far away. Where the hell's Fairfax, you know?

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