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David Pakman

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“From the reports about the number of people that have bought the blue check mark, I think we may be a thousand years from enough signups in order to make that sort of like a reality.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have not paid my $8. I don't see the point in paying for it. I have no problem paying for services. I use a ton of services. I'll try the free. I'll go to the paid. Right now, so the way I used to use the verified feed was I would post a tweet and then the next day when I review what's going on on my social media, I would look at the replies to the tweet, which would give me a mix of replies from verified and unverified people. But then I would also look at the verified and see who that are verified public folks have responded to me or maybe I want to engage with whatever the case may be. I don't even understand why I would look at the verified feed anymore, so I never do because it's random folks who I don't know. It's sort of lost its utility to me.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, whenever I do these various political compass things that put you on two axes, on the authoritarian libertarian axis, I am way down on the libertarian side as a left libertarian. So my tendencies are always anti-authoritarian and towards that option when it makes sense. So I sympathize with that a lot.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I think there's a practical, once you get beyond 150, you also start specializing. It just is a matter of fact, you don't have, everybody isn't growing their own food. Some people grow the food and other people do other things. And you come across a lot of the problems that started at the agricultural revolution. And whether you say that it's a company that's solving it or a government, the problems are going to be very similar. And I've not read anything that, to my satisfaction, explains how you deal with that.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know what the question means by that American style libertarianism, but in general, my problems with libertarianism as it is often presented come from the work of sociology as well as human psychology, which is the reality that once you get a group that's bigger than 150 people, You really have to start centralizing some decisions unless you're going to subdivide the 150 endlessly into 275s that now no longer have contact, but then that's not really one society. Now it's two. I've not seen good evidence and I've read a fair bit about this that once you get beyond 150, you can keep all decisions decentralized. And once you say some things need to be centralized, then it's a matter of how you do it. And it's going to be some version of government that conflicts with aspects of libertarianism.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know what they mean by American style libertarianism. I've talked before about these kind of utopian libertarians where we don't have police. You just kind of like hire a for-profit company if you want protection. And if there's a conflict between two of these private security companies, then I don't know. You figure it out somehow.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you know, one of the things I think about also is people who are well connected. I mean, this has always been this isn't new, right? But if you're well connected and you have a sort of drive towards entrepreneurship and doing your own thing and you're not pursuing a field that is very licensing dependent like medicine or law, getting started four years earlier with some internships can be a privilege in some cases. But again, that path is available to the people that would likely do well regardless of whether they went to college. And so it's a very privileged self-selected group anyway.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I guess what I mean is does it tell you how as a thinking human you should evaluate the strength of each of the paragraphs it presents to you? You can literally”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If there were some way to make that the core of some basic education that everybody's receiving, which goes beyond, you know, chat GPT can do so many things, but I've not yet seen good examples of how it can teach you to think. Maybe you have a different view on how ChatGPT can teach a user to think. But those skills seem to be so lacking in so many of the people I interact with. If there's any positive change to come from a changing dynamic with higher education, I wish it would be to go in that direction.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, I have a personal interest in it in that my daughter is 10 months old, and I'm doing the 529 account. I'm going through the motions as if. But I also recognize, you know, if she went to the schools I went to just with the rate of tuition increase, you're talking 200K a year by the time she's 18. And what happens with wages relative to that? This is like separate from the technological thing. And in my mind, I'm thinking, is this going to continue being the right path? What I would love to see is so many people that I interact with just by virtue of what I do have no foundation in critical thinking, epistemology, philosophy, or media literacy.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is only because it stopped looking at the internet in 2021. If it was current, I could completely just tune it out. No, I'm kidding, but it's a fascinating tool.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I sympathize with that significantly. I always try to look at specific examples. And sometimes I'll look at people, I'll ask for them, and people will send me five. And one of them is a legit, bona fide example of what we're talking about. And four are kind of like there was a complaint and it was investigated, but the teacher's tenure was never in jeopardy I don't know that I chalk this up to a big woke event. What do you think the kind of apparatus of the four-year degree in college is going to look like in 20 years?”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It has become so toxic for some people, they may have repressed it way down into their subconscious, but I don't know how we would know that.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The problem with that is it's kind of you can't go anywhere further to figure it out. It's sort of like there's this funny clip where Jordan Peterson says even atheists are actually religious. They just don't know it. And it's like it's hard to test that. You know, I don't know, okay. I mean, but it's a fair point. I mean, maybe some people.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's true. I think also it's sort of like the pit bull bite stories thing where when a pit bull bites a person, it's more likely to be reported on because it fits a certain narrative. And there are right-wing publications that are very interested in making this seem as if it is an epidemic. I'm the first to say it is happening to a degree. I don't know the degree that it's happening to. I know a lot of people in academia, only a couple of them say that it's an issue.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Take and giving them, if it's possible, the ability to pursue that without suppressing, limiting. I mean, this is like relatively uncontroversial stuff among, I would argue, 95% of the left with the caveats of what you're talking about, which I agree exist.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Generically, that's a concern to me. The degree to which it's happening at different institutions, I think, is worthy of exploration. I know people who work in academia that are getting out of academia because they don't like the environment on their campuses for exactly the reason you're saying. So it exists. There is no question about it. I also think that the idea of a perfect meritocracy is maybe not necessarily the goal in the sense that When you talk about perfect meritocracy, someone wrote a book about this who I interviewed about a year and a half ago, whose name escapes me. There are problems with a perfect meritocracy. I think what we want to do is generate roughly equal opportunity for people understanding that there is going to be an outcome on a gradient or a bell curve, allowing people, generally speaking, to determine the path that they want to.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My view though is I go okay we have all issues we have issues related to gender and sexual orientation We have issues related to trans. Within that we have specifically sports. You can eliminate from that trans men. Nobody's worried, right, about biological women who are trans men. And then when you say it's only in certain sports that it matters. Hey, I'm right there. I think it's a complicated question. I don't know how we deal with it. I would ask leagues that have experienced this already and whatever. The problem I have is pretending that the vanguard of left-wing politics right now is trying to force trans women into sports. It's like it's just not the big issue that the right is reacting as if it were.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, but I'll say one other thing on that. Take trans because just to talk about it a little bit, we haven't dealt with it much. The trans issue has become huge, I believe, because the right is obsessed with it. The right is very much not concerned with gay men anymore. It used to be that gay men is like, oh, we have to stop gay men from adopting and unnatural and pedophiles. Now it's trans. It's drag shows, et cetera. I do think that there is a fair question to say, how do we deal with trans women in a very small short list?”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I don't. And I mean, look, we've got a Biden administration. I see Biden as center-left. Those who see Biden as extreme far left, this stuff has played almost no role whatsoever in the first two plus years of his administration.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That, I think, is an example, if I understand correctly, of the type of thing you're talking about. I'm kind of being bullied. I'm fine. I'm surviving fine, but I'm being bullied over it and disqualified and saying you don't get to speak on this issue. All of those examples, all of that stuff, I am completely against. And I tell people on the left, we're actually hurting our own movement with this stuff. I just don't think it's as big. As some others believe it.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But if it's a woman, you would say Amiga. So right from there you can tell the gender that we're talking about. And if it's a mixed group, you say Amigos. It's the male with an S, but it could include both. There's a movement now which wants to do away with that and put the letter I in. It's a new word. It's a gender neutral word, amiges, totally new. I don't like that. And I don't know anyone, no one in my family uses it, and I think it's kind of like a strange imposition from someone kind of with a solution in search of a problem. I've been told you moved to the US long ago and like your English is good and like you look white. And so like you don't get to weigh in on that.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that's the case, and they want to do it in a genuine way that doesn't suppress or oppress anybody. But now let me get to what degree do I think that actual, when it goes too far, is a problem. It absolutely exists. We can find instances of where this exists on the left. I've been told many times that as a Jewish Argentinian immigrant to the United States, I actually don't qualify as oppressed enough because Jews are privileged now in the US and my family had just enough money to leave Argentina. So there's this kind of like a Pression Olympics thing where I've been told you don't get to comment, for example, like a topic in the Latino community now is Are you familiar with Latin X? Okay, in Spanish, there's an analogous movement where words by their nature sort of like have a gender. So like the word for friend is amigo.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is a critical thing. Let's use The term has kind of been perverted Four years ago, when the term was started to be used, I would have said, oh yeah, woke just means like I have become aware of problems that are bigger than any one person can fix for themselves that relate to the system. I think that's, and we might disagree on which problems fall under that category, but like it was kind of benign. I think now it just means outrageously left-wing, maybe even with socialist or Marxist undertones. It's become a pejorative at this point.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are lots of other similar answers. It's not a huge margin. A lot of these are like 58 to 42, 60 to 40. It's not like 90 to 10. But by a small margin, the so-called woke perspective of we actually haven't yet done enough to fix some of these issues is a little bit more popular. So if we went back to DeSantis, this is part of why I think DeSantis is anti-woke agenda may just be a political misstep.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That goes beyond what would be fair and equitable. There was this really interesting poll and it asked questions like, for example, do you believe society has gone too far, not far enough, or just about the right amount in dealing with issues affecting the trans community? The woke position, which is society hasn't gone far enough, was far more popular than we've gone too far. Now, the right-wing media narrative is we've gone way too far. This is out of control.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is a great conversation. So let's two sides of it. Okay, we have new polling that seems to suggest so-called wokeism is kind of more popular in the United States than anti-wokism. And I'll tell you what I mean by that. This is the less interesting part. We'll go to the more interesting part second. Sometimes what people mean by wokism is an overreaction to a perceived injustice.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They're mostly noble goals. And I believe that they are more supportive of an individual self-determining what they want to do in life and how they want to live and is more in line with the idea of freedom and liberty than what the right is currently proposing. That's my view. And of course, people will disagree with me and say, no, we get to freedom and liberty the way that the right wants to do it. Okay, well, we can have that conversation.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Listen, I'm a person on the left. I'm not pretending to come here and not knowing that my view is biased because I'm a person of the left. If you ask Ben Shapiro, he'll tell you something different. I think in 2023, some total the influence of the American right wing, if the American right wing were to get everything it wants, it would be a horrifying reality. If the left were to get everything it wants, we'd have to figure out a few things, including exactly how we pay for certain programs.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Problem that we have I find it a conversation stifler. It also is used to kind of suppress voter turnout. Not actively. It's not that the people who say that go around saying don't vote. But the idea, of course, is the more people that believe that it doesn't really make a difference who you vote for, it's going to suppress voter turnout. And I want voter turnout to be as high as possible, not as low as possible. So I also dislike it for that reason.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I mean it negatively. Yeah, it's a bit of a pejorative. The idea that I am not going to fall for being a Democrat or a Republican. I can see that these are just two sides of the same coin equally bad, lying to everyone. Okay, so that's one, it's sort of like it's popular at dinner parties in some circles to go. But with all these politicians, you know, left and right. So that's one side of it. The other side of it is that it's often used when your side has really stepped in it. It's a popular way to acknowledge that your side has done something wrong, but while framing it as it's not uniquely wrong and it's not worse than what anybody else does. And I find that it's one of the lamest and most kind of cringe inducing things to hear because of what comes next. And usually what comes next is not a good, accurate criticism of something that took place and a discussion of how to solve a real problem.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't agree that it's the same. I think there are different factions that like to say that for different reasons. There are some individuals who want to present themselves as kind of being above the fray of partisan politics. And so I call it enlightened centrism.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Fox is interesting. The ratings question is interesting because Fox, unlike most other or every other cable news channel, they negotiate a fee from every cable subscriber. If you have Fox News as a channel, even if you don't watch it, Fox gets a little bit of money. They are dramatically less dependent on ad revenue than CNN and MSNBC. So the ratings question is an interesting one, but Fox's position is different on that.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That Tucker's a big contributor to. Number three, former Tucker Staffer has brought a lawsuit, and I don't remember the exact claims, but I know that there are claims of different types of discrimination. It seems like it has legs and that may be a third payout related to Tucker Carlson. And based on the 60 minutes piece from a few weeks ago, Ray Epp saying Tucker ruined his life by fomenting conspiracies about him around January 6th. That's ripe for another lawsuit. So to me Tucker's firing was a risk mitigation strategy of many that will be employed as these lawsuits come forward. There's no evidence that it's because Fox didn't like. And what we mean by that, are we talking about Rupert Murdoch doesn't like or the, I don't know, but I don't have any reason to believe it's because Tucker's ideas were no longer welcome on Fox. Certainly the audience liked them.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think that's what he should do. I think that's the most profitable path rather than maybe going to work for Newsmax or whatever the case may be. But the firing fundamentally was not a politically oriented firing that suggests Fox News is changing its tune politically in any way. There's no evidence of that whatsoever. Tucker Carlson basically became a legal problem for Fox News. There's really four points to it. One is the 787.5 million dollar settlement with dominion partially was because of the claims that went out on Tucker Carlson's program. So to some degree, Tucker's program was a prominent node of the problematic claims that became the subject of the lawsuit. That's number one. Number two, Smartmatic, which is another voting machine company, still has a similarly sized lawsuit against Fox News based on the exact same sorts of claims. It may cost Fox News again. So this is now two problems.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think if that happened, then my view might be different. But my general view, though, on the Hunter Biden story is had the articles not contained those images that were illegal in many states and violated Twitter's policies, I would say publish it, absolutely. I don't think it would have had an impact, but I would be in favor of it being of the links being allowed 100%.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, as a matter of principle, I think we have to define what we mean by censorship, but I'm against censorship short of illegal content, I guess is the way I would put it. I do respect a company's right to have terms of service and to enforce them, as long as they're not illegal. If Twitter were to say, we don't publish content from Jewish people, okay, now we've got a problem on our hands. But what is dubious to me is the claim that Had people been able to see Hunter Biden's genitals, they would have voted for Trump, which I know it's like, David, you're making light of. But at the end of the day, what exactly is the claim that if you had known more about Hunter Biden, I guess allegedly hiring prostitutes and having a drug problem and seeing pictures, you wouldn't have voted for Joe Biden. I mean, I know me as a voter, I don't feel. that”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it got lost in the mail. You have the motherload proving the criminality of Joe and Hunter Biden. And you just dropped it off with a stamp and it got lost in the mail. You don't have a backup copy. So I'm ready for the evidence to come forward. Hunter Biden has nothing to do with Joe Biden's administration, but as a person who, if he committed a crime, charge him, investigate him, whatever. But it's almost getting satirical, the degree to which they're talking about the Hunter Biden laptop.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hunter Biden laptop thing has been floating around for so long and we still have zero actual pieces of evidence of any crime, particularly involving Joe Biden. There's the claim from some that references to the big guy are about Joe Biden getting 10% for some illicit. It's been years they've been saying this. They've not been able to bring forward any evidence on it. My assessment of the Hunter Biden laptop is it seems to mostly be a story about nude images released without someone's consent, which is illegal in most states and violates Twitter's own policies. That's the main story to me. Beyond that, I don't know how many people have a copy of this hard drive at this point. Rudy had it. Tucker. Do you remember when Tucker? This is unbelievable. Tucker said that he mailed himself a copy, a USB stick.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“At this point, I have said many times If there is any reason to believe that Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Naomi Biden, Jill Biden, Hillary, Obama, Doug M. If there's any evidence any of them committed a crime, they should be investigated. Should be charged and they should be tried period.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The difficulty is you're basically saying, will something happen without me knowing anything about the election? Imagine there really was evidence of a hacked election, then I would want those claims to be made. But the way elections have gone in the past, I don't expect that that's a claim that would be made. No.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't have a reason to believe that that is going to happen, but I'm not going to say it never could. It certainly could. People on the left could start using it as a tactic. Right now, there's not a sign that that's going to happen, but it's certainly good. My expectation is, and I'm not abetting man, but I would bet money. If Joe Biden loses in November of 2024, he will say, I lost. He will call the winner. He will concede, and he will leave the White House in an orderly fashion.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Has been already. It's very clearly the playbook. Carrie Lake lost. She ran for governor in Arizona 2022. She lost. What I mean by that is her opponent received more votes. It's like very clear what it means that she lost. She insists to this day that she won. This day, she did the same Griff Trump did about donate, we've got a case, we won in the case. You didn't win. They just set a court date. Lies upon Grift upon lies. So they did it then. It's extraordinarily saddening, but it seems like this is now going to be part of the playbook.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The intention was Trump should remain president. That's the intention. And to what length they would have been willing to go if by the evening, early evening were sort of like forced out, I don't know. I agree with you that Trump trying to use the military would absolutely be worse. You know, there's these reports that he tried to seize voting machines, which is kind of funny because it's like, once you get the machine at Mara Lago, what do you do with it exactly? I don't know. There's like a comedic element to Trump sitting around with voting machines. But he did float trying to do some other things. I don't believe there's reporting that he actually tried to use the military.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I agree that what you're saying would be worse. I don't want to use it to minimize what the protesters were intent on doing. They failed, fortunately.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Say, we vote for Trump. But that's not democracy. That's not the way the system works. Let's make sure we're ready, ready for what exactly. And then it builds to maybe Mike Pence can just like prevent Biden from being president. Or maybe we can just interfere in this other way. And then it gets to let's break into the capital. It's the height of saying we no longer comport ourselves attached to what is a verifiable factual reality and when we no longer do that, we're also willing to commit crimes, property crimes, violent crimes, okay, different degrees in order to try to have something other than democracy. It wouldn't be democracy if any of those things had happened.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We see that there is a large portion of this country that either is unable or unwilling to say, wait a second, the polling all said this was a real possibility. The counting schedules are all being adhered to. But Trump won? That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't happen. It builds. People are donating millions to Trump for supposed audits, which nobody can define and lawsuits which go nowhere. And it builds and builds and builds. And we have a total separation from a factual reality. There's no reason to think by December 1st, right, give three weeks to look through some of this stuff. By December 1st, there's no reasonable case to be made that Trump actually won. But it doesn't end there. It goes into maybe we can just send different electors, even though Biden won Arizona. Let's just like send, I don't remember how many electors it is in Arizona. Let's just like send Republican electors to...”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. I think the sum total of what it means about how the United States operates is what's most concerning. And I'll kind of just like flesh it out a little bit. So Summer of 2020. Trump's already saying they're going to cheat. Now, the polling is close, but it shows that Biden's in a good position. People aren't happy with Trump. Any reasonable person would look and say, it's going to be close, but Biden certainly wouldn't be a crazy thing if Biden won. Trump's already saying they're going to cheat with mail-in ballots or they're going to cheat with early voting or they're going to cheat with machines or we should do only in person or whatever else the case may be. We have the election. We knew in certain states how the vote count was going to go. Some states stopped counting at 10 p.m. Some states count all of the mail and stuff up front. Some don't. Everything was completely predictable. At 2 a.m., Trump comes out and says, I won. Okay, but where are you getting that, sir? As he claims people always refer to him, where are you getting that? And with that statement, immediately.”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That citizens can, or might do if they disagree with the results of an election. So I think that there are further reaching consequences than just was the six-hour period on January 6th a bigger, smaller deal than the Civil War. And there's so much wrapped up into it. Many conspiracy theories flowed from January 6th as well. 60 minutes recently featured a guy named Ray Epps, who was targeted by some on the right claiming that he was an instigator or an agent of the FBI or something along those lines. There were people claiming that no real, it was like a no true Scotsman sort of thing. Trump supporters wouldn't riot. So by definition, it must have been Antifa. Police let him in or police, you know, all these different things. I think it was a big deal in a lot of ways because it completely made us have to go back to the top to say, okay, what are...”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it was less of a big deal than the Civil War No, I mean, so it's a very interesting thing, though, right? Because we have not only the event, that's clever, actually. It's not only the event, but it's what led up to it and what has happened since, and did it change what is considered on the table?”
2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source