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David Pakman

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  1. “The elections held today I think Biden Well, first of all, I believe he won last time. And if I start with the results from 2020 and I think to myself, what has happened since then that would push or pull voters one way or the other, I have a hard time making a case that Trump is in a better position today than he was in November of 2020. So that's kind of my starting point, which is it's a rematch of an election with a known outcome. What has changed? And I can't make a case for circumstances having changed in Trump's favor to give a couple of state-level examples. Florida seems to be kind of moving more to the Republican side since 2020, but Trump won that state already in 2020, so it wouldn't really change the outcome. Arizona was close. I think Arizona has moved to the left since 2020, so I don't see Trump taking.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “Sometimes on vaccines, there's a portion of my audience that is more generally skeptical of vaccines, sometimes on some Or I'm not a big fan of Marianne Williamson nor Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s challenges to Joe Biden. Not because I love Joe Biden, but because I don't consider them to be the most serious challengers. I know there's people I know my audience who don't like that. They get mad at me about that. And I'm totally okay with that and that tension with my core audience. So in that sense, I don't feel as though I've had that audience capture take place. But I know it can happen and I'm very open to being told ways in which it may be happening without me noticing.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. “I worry about it, I'm relatively comfortable that it's not shaping the program to a great degree in the sense that at this point I have a pretty good sense of the things I can say that will upset what I might call my core audience. You know, one of the interesting things just to briefly go back to the Twitter thing was those people who were furious with me on Twitter and they contacted my advertisers and some advertisers dropped me and on and on and on. None of them are actually in my audience. None of them are regular consumers of my audience. They were kind of weaponized against me by people who said, hey, look at this. The people who follow Candace Owens on Twitter other than for their kind of shock value, they're not in my audience. And with my core audience, I know there are things I can talk about that will generate displeasure. I guess you could say with my audience. Sometimes when I touch the Israeli Palestine,”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. “If you find that I'm thoughtful enough to make it into that, but I'm very open. And really what I try to do on my show often is in being that at the top of the pyramid, tell people there's all this other stuff that should be forming your foundation that I hope you're consuming in addition to just watching me. And I'm very open with my audience about that.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. “Junk food is at the very top. I am very open with my audience. The vast majority of what I do is the top of that pyramid. And I tell people very openly, I don't consume a lot of the type of content I produce. And I think it's really important to as a base be doing critical thinking, epistemology, how do we believe the things we believe, basics about the world. After that reading history, economics, philosophy, et cetera. After that, now we're getting into current events. I would mostly be looking at consuming primary source reporting, things like associated press, whatever. I know everybody will have a different list of what counts there. After that is when I'd say indulge in some of the commentary type stuff that I do.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. “I think you're right about that. And the fact that that is true. To me, supports, I've talked with my audience about the old food pyramid, which I guess was like wrong, but let's imagine that there was a pyramid that made sense.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. “It would also be different. But it's a decision that's proactively made to try to get the best and most out of the hour that I'm creating every day.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. “I'm thinking of all the platforms I'm on, and I'm saying, okay, I want to do a relatively deep dive on the federal budget, and I want to talk about some of the political tomfoolery going on within the post office. And I'm going to do a segment about the wacky rally where Trump said crazy things and made up three words and said he endorsed the candidate who's named it, right? I'm crafting that in total to find a balance between let's build this audience as much as I can in order to have a bigger base to get my message out there and include the more serious stuff with the hope that there's a little bit of something for everyone and I'm finding a balance between those two sides of the spectrum. It's a deliberate thing. And I'm aware that if I were producing my show 50 years ago, the balance would probably be different and it would probably change again if we didn't, if the show was audio only rather than having all these video platforms.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  9. “Content, more pop culture stuff, et cetera. On the other hand, it's folks who say, listen, what you're doing really isn't as serious as it could be. And it seems like you could do something more serious and you should consider doing deep dives, you know, once it was do a deep dive into Calvin Coolidge and I was like, nobody will watch that. It's not by accident that my show is the way it is, right? In an hour.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  10. “Now, right now, I'm talking about Twitter. Yes. That being said, I think all of us to some degree have to adapt our content to the platform that we're using in the same way that what I post to YouTube is different than what I post to TikTok. What I post to Twitter is also different. Do I think Twitter has been an unmitigated good for society? No. Have I chosen to step into Twitter as one of the ways in which I get my message out with the good and the bad? Yes. And I think that there is a deep conversation to be had there. I think zooming out a little bit in terms of what I do, and I was hoping this would come up because I think it's really interesting. I will often get emails from people who say two things. I will get the, you would have such a bigger audience if you did X type emails. And usually they are plays to sensationalism, salacious and titillating.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. “I don't have deep thoughts about the Twitter component beyond, I think, across all sorts of disciplines. This is not the best way to most effectively solve problems and figure out solutions to complex issues.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. “It absolutely represents the disgust with a politics that includes saying we can't touch guns. We just can't. But we're willing to point to mental health or say we need more prayer in schools or whatever 1,000% it represents that view. Is it the type of snark and sarcasm that I would use if given an hour to discuss the topic rather than whatever the number of characters is now on Twitter? No, definitely not. And so I am very cognizant of the fact that it was unnecessarily provocative how it was written.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. “Faith would think you're blaming kids who died for getting shot. Of course you weren't doing that. I wish you hadn't deleted it so that it would still be up and you would now see the tide kind of turning on it. This was not a fun three days regardless, but I do regret having deleted it because it was a pan. I wanted to do the quickest thing I thought I could to get people to stop trying to find family members and send them threats. And so around noon, that's what I did. And the truth is the threats didn't stop anyway because everybody had screenshotted it. And I do wish I had left it up.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. “What this is, but I have a hundred DMs to everything else you can imagine. And I start to get emails about, you know, your Jewish faith, this and that, and the other thing. And so at that point, to me, I thought this is just going to get worse and worse and worse. And so I deleted the tweet. And I really regret doing that because over the 48 hours that followed, yes, the attacks escalated, it went through Candace Owens. And then at foxnews.com, NewsMax kind of peaking with Donald Trump Jr. And it was horrible. I mean, thousands and thousands of the, okay. But once I told my audience about what happened, I got thousands of messages from people saying, David, only someone who doesn't know you and is determined to interpret this in the worst possible way.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. “I might have looked once at Twitter and it had 2,000 likes and a few people saying, eh, this might have missed the mark, but it's sort of like it's one of my 20,000 tweets, I don't know. I wake up the next morning, my baby daughter did not sleep till 7.30 the way I would like, so she's up at 6 a.m. and I get up and I'm just there starting to make breakfast and I glance at my phone and I'm starting to, this was when Verified meant a different thing than it means now. I'm seeing all these verified accounts that are, you know, quote tweeting it and demanding a retraction and whatever. And I go, uh-oh, okay, this looks like it's getting some attention. I then continue about my day around noon. I hear from my dad that he got 100 messages from you should have aborted your son to we're going to find all of you to whatever else my dad has no idea what's going on. He's like, I don't know.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. “Yeah, to give you a one minute arc, and then we can pick whichever parts we want after a mass shooting. Now you might say there's like two or three a day, you're correct. After the Nashville mass shooting at a Christian school, I tweeted snarkly, tongue-in-cheek to point that thoughts and prayers not only aren't particularly useful after a shooting, they also don't prevent shootings, that there's some confusion about how there would be a shooting at a Christian school, given that it is a place where prayer is taking place. I think I jokingly said something like, were they not praying enough for correctly?”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  17. “It's mostly sarcasm. I mean, here's the thing, and I know that there are people who will say, David, you're dealing with such serious issues. It's really not okay. Not to take everything you do completely seriously. But my view is it's so incredible that between chance and timing and so different things fallen into a position where this is what I do professionally and it's a career and it's financially sustainable and all these different things. I don't want to end up taking myself too seriously because I recognize the timing and luck and all of these other things. And this could have gone a completely different way. So my approach to a lot of this is let's not take ourselves too seriously and in particular on Twitter a platform that, you know, the degree to which it should be taken very seriously maybe has changed over time. I'm always sort of thinking a little bit tongue-in-cheek on Twitter.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  18. “Yeah, it was just too much. And this, you know, I don't know how much you saw about this recent Twitter dust up I was involved in that peaked with Donald Trump Jr. tweeting about me and then that then declining from there.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  19. “But the reason I stepped away was sort of the aftermath, but I did find him to be someone who was abundantly clear about his view and where he comes from. And while I could not possibly disagree more with him in terms of politics and culture and our backgrounds, everything is just so, so different. I found it easy to engage in the conversation just because of how upfront and clear he was about what his beliefs were.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  20. “Yeah, I mean, I think there's a couple different things, and I'm the first to tell you that depending on who I'm talking to, I go in with a different attitude about how, quote, seriously I'm taking it in the sense of whether I think it's going to be a deep policy discussion versus whether it's going to be more of a performance for an audience that is expecting a certain thing. And I think there's different types of shows. When I was interviewed by this guy, Jesse Lee Peterson in Los Angeles, it's very different, for example, than when I'm talking to Patrick Bett David, just to give two examples. I think the reason I stopped doing the Michael Knowles show was the number of”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  21. “That certainly could be the case. And people wrote to me the full gamut of everything you can imagine from this was your best thing you've ever done in public to you got humiliated and your mother should have aborted you. Okay, so and everything in between. So take your pick. But the most interesting feedback I got was from people who asked me after was it incredibly tense and awkward and because it seemed so combative and I think for I'm so used to those types of tensions in the discussions that I have that it's very comfortable to me. It's not like afterwards it's it's there's a grudge or it's tense or whatever the case may be. I'm very comfortable just I disagree with people and that's it. So I did not find anything that happened inappropriate. I disagreed with a lot of the things he said certainly.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  22. “Absolutely. And when you talk about social democracy, you're talking about socializing a couple more things than we socialize in most modern capitalist countries. I had this conversation with Patrick Bet David recently. Social democracy is, okay, we've socialized the military already in the United States. We've socialized some healthcare in the sense of like the VA and Medicaid, et cetera. We're talking about socializing a couple more things still in a capitalist country. Democratic socialism would be something beyond that. And as someone who is not a Democratic socialist myself, I'm maybe not the best advocate for explaining exactly how that system would function, but it would have some version of socializing ownership of the means of production, businesses, et cetera.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  23. “I think we should not use it synonymously with democratic socialists. And this is where there's another linguistic confusion and a political confusion. So we'll first talk about the linguistic one. Social democracy versus democratic socialism. Very similar words in a different order. The way I operate is democratic socialism is actually a form of socialism where one would seek to socialize ownership of the means of production as an example. Social democracy is a very highly regulated form of capitalism, the likes of which we would see in Northern Europe, Denmark, etc. These are very different things. I associate progressivism in 2023 with social democracy and would consider democratic socialism a form of actual socialism that is different. We're no longer talking about a capitalist organization of society.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  24. “Some degree sometimes I'm called I'm written off by you know within my space there are all sorts of shades of gray which I'm sure we can talk about about where I am versus should be could be or am wrongly placed and sometimes an attack on me is he's just a lib meaning I'm not left enough I'm not progressive socialist wherever else you want to go so yeah the problem with a lot of these terms and they're used very casually by people who call into my show is that unless we actually define them each time, they very often mean very different things to different people and often come with an agenda attached to them. And so I find that they often stifle meaningful conversation rather than encourage it.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  25. “That's maybe one of the most interesting ones. Ten years ago, liberal often meant what now we mean by progressive. More recently, the progressive socialist-leaning part of the political spectrum has started to use liberal to mean Joe Biden, to mean someone who is not really left enough. So liberal is very interesting because I remember talking with my audience years ago, maybe eight years ago or something like that, where I identified I'm going to now use the term progressive more commonly to describe my own beliefs because liberal has now been made a smear. It's being shifted into something else and it also means more of like a center left politics. So it's changed in some sense by necessity, by force, and also because. The spectrum has shifted to some degree.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  26. “I think what you're kind of grasping onto is that there's probably some set of ideas that would apply to most of those who consider themselves to be on the left. The discussion of how that term is mostly being used is not about policy ideas. You're accurately kind of identifying that. And it does seem like progressive is no longer being used as a smear and leftist is being used as a smear more at this point.”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  27. “Marxists, certainly not in positions of power in the United States, but even among the general population. So I think it's important to distinguish, are we defining these terms? Compare and contrast the ideas that a particular group might bring to the discussion, or are we using them as insults or to stifle conversation? There are terms that can be used to start conversation or to stop it.”

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  28. “There's two sets of distinctions. One is if you just want to say, let's define each of these as political terms, they're all different terms. You can be a progressive ideologically, but not be a member of the Democratic Party. Many say the Democratic Party isn't even really very progressive. So these are certainly terms that we could define in order to have a conversation about the next thing, kind of as a precursor to a conversation. Sometimes the terms are used in order to tag someone with a certain ideology that's not really linked to policy or any particular political question, but they can be used positively or negatively to just kind of say, here is the image of this individual that I have in my mind. So like Marxist is right now very popularly being used by some on the right to attack Democrats, there's very few actual”

    2023-05-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #375 – David Pakman: Politics of Trump, Biden, Bernie, AOC, Socialism & Wokeism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source