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David Spiegel

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“After having done this my entire career, this is a legacy project for me. A time will come when I'm not available to keep doing this for people. It warms my heart that while we've been talking, I've helped more people than I used to in months of person-to-person clinical activity. And I want people to have it as a resource for helping themselves to feel better and function better. And I think it can. So thank you for helping me do that because that's the same kind of thing you're doing with your show. And I'm honored to be a part of it.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's from the App Store and Google Play as well has it. People have Android phones. I would say I think we've talked about the major uses of it. I would love it if people give it a try, see it as a first recourse, not a last recourse. And I'd love to see it integrated better with people's overall health and wellness care. I think it's been sort of the Rodney Danger field of psychotherap He said they asked me to leave a bar so they could start happy hour, you know.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's a sociologist book called Boiling Energy about the use of drumming, actually, as I kind of transinducing experience in Africa. And there's no question that people use that kind of rhythmic activity as a way of socially connecting and soothing themselves. And there's something about being in that rhythm of rate that is usually roughly the rate of heartbeat, you know, about one a second that helps people. And that's why people like to dance and sing and things like that. I think we coordinated social activity that gets the body involved can be very soothing, actually. And so I think a lot of our healing rituals involve repetitive movement that people find soothing.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's available. There are other good apps. There's one leaf, which is a French app that the French government has invested in that has excellent recordings to help people use hypnosis. There's one called Nerva out of Australia that helps people with irritable ball syndrome. And hypnosis can be very effective for that as well. So there are more and more of those apps coming as well that seem to help people manage with hypnosis. So it's growing. The list is growing.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are a number of good professional hypnosis societies that have members who are professionally trained in use hypnosis. The Society for Clinical Experimental Hypnosis, SCEH.us, the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis, ASCH.NET. There's an international society of hypnosis for your listeners who are elsewhere. There are good textbooks on hypnosis. We've written one of them called Trans and Treatment. My late father and I read it.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Don't. And so I would like to see reverie used as a kind of placeholder while people are getting evaluated and getting appointments with people who can help them deal with whatever their pain or other problem is.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's exactly right. You know, why not try this first? I had a young woman seven months pregnant, very bad lower back disease, and of course as the baby grew, you know, it got worse. They put in a nerve stimulator. It didn't help. And they couldn't give her opioids because she had it pregnant. And so I have her imagine she's floating in a nice warm bath filter to her down of the pain. Her pain went from seven to three in a couple of minutes. But she looked angry. And I said, what's the matter? She said, why in the hell are you the last doctor I got sent to instead of the first? That's exactly right, Tim. I don't get it. You know, it's inexpensive, it's effective. Why not try that first? And then if that doesn't work, do something else. It's really a shame. It's a disservice to people who can help themselves. It's excessively expensive to do use medications or procedures when some people may not need it. Some do, but a lot.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“is telling them use hypnosis, but drug companies do. And I'm a doctor. I prescribe meds, but there are many times when doing something like this is much better and safer and more effective.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And the resident wrote in my record, patient using very little pain medication, we mustn't have cut many nerves. Now, you know, I've got a scar from here to here I can tell you they cut nerves. But it's this misunderstanding that, you know, the body is just like a broken car. You just got to, you know, incision ingestion or injection. You know, you got to do something to the body. Rather than teach the person to use the control system that we're all born with, this three-pound object of our shoulders that is connected to every part of the body and helps to control it. And why on earth shouldn't we be able to use that better? You know, it doesn't come with a user's manual, you know? So you got to figure out how to do it, but it makes a huge difference. And so, you know, hypnosis is not a commodity. It's a skill to be shared. And that's one reason, actually it's underutilized. Is, you know, I don't have a bunch of exterior leaders going to doctor's office.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I use general anesthesia for the surgery itself, but afterwards I just did self-hypnosis for the pain control, you know. And it was a mass general and I wasn't supposed to read my record, but I worked there The nurse kind of looks at me like.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I had recurrent dislocation on my shoulder and I realized I needed surgery done. It's a three-hour operation. It's a big deal.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And with airplanes, I have people imagine they're floating with a plane the way you take a roller coaster. I don't fight the plane, float with it, and see the plane is an extension of your body like a bicycle. If you want to get somewhere faster, you're using the plane as an extension of your body. The pilot is an extension of your mind. You chose an airline that has good pilots and he or she is an extension of your mind. So concepts like that can help people do self-agnosis and get point A to point B. So that's good. And then for habit problems like smoking or drinking or eating badly, you know, you can learn to eat like a gourmet. You can enjoy eating more while you eat healthier food by using the self-hypnosis to do that.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Doing two things that made her feel better. One is just floating somewhere she felt comfortable. And she said, I remember floating in the Dead Sea. And I thought, for a cancer patient, it might not be the ideal image, but the intense salinity of the Dead Sea makes you float like a cork. And so she liked it. So I said, okay, we'll do that. And she had a very loving sister in New York who would come out to visit her. And I said, and I want you to imagine that your sister is standing next to that scanner giving you a hug and reassuring you. And she came out of it and she started to cry and she said, for the first time I think I can do this. I can actually do this. I mean, she was afraid to go in an elevator by herself. It was too scary. She'd wait in the hospital.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't either. That's exact It's very useful for dealing with phobias like airplane phobias, claustrophobia. Had a lovely woman who had an obsessive compulsive disorder all her life and claustrophobia and was diagnosed recently with cancer and had to have a scan in an enclosed tube and just was freaked out about doing it. And I had her.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Reverie is designed for anybody who's curious about dealing with their problems. If you just want to learn something about your ability to explore and change your mental states, it's useful. It's a tool. It's more like an antibiotic than a vitamin. If you've got a problem, you can try it and see if it'll help. So people with pain, stress, insomnia, that's our most popular use, people getting to sleep or getting back to sleep. I used to worry that wherever he wasn't quite as good as being in my office with me, and then I thought, if you wake up at three in the morning and need to get back to sleep, you probably don't want me in your bedroom.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I'm kind of listening to my own mind saying, what's the next step? What do we need to do here? And I'm thinking about it for a second and saying, is this really the right thing? Well, let's try it out and see. And so I'm also testing his response. And if I see that we're not getting anywhere, then I'll change course. And it takes some time and training to just sort of know the direction you want to go in and why you're doing this. And is it really going to help him or is it just putting on a show? And it was clear to me that what he needed to do. And you get this sort of deep. Connection with somebody that they can feel you and you can feel them, you know, that he knows what I'm trying to do and I know what he needs to do.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“was a few seconds you know but he was following me and you know if I saw that he wasn't I'd spend more time on the control issue but it's also because the intensity had to do with something we were meaningfully working on that is I wasn't doing it just to have him show off how emotional he could be I was doing it to help him queue up into perspective the thing that was upsetting him so much and help him to process it in a way that made him feel better about it so I knew I was doing something that I thought could help him And I'll tell you that in some of these intense kinds of hypnotic therapies, I'm a little dissociated too, you know, saying it's a smart hypnotist that knows who is hypnotizing whom.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a characteristic of highly hypothetizable people that they can be having intense experiences and yet be connected and contained. That is, they're absorbed in it, but they're not just out of control. They're not just wild. They're expressing their emotion, but they're also able to modulatate and control it and focus on this sort of narrow container of being tense in reliving what happened, but also somehow aware that it is a reliving of the event that isn't actually happening. And so I figured, you got to have the reins of the horse when you're riding fast. But it was clear to me that he was listening to me. And what struck me the most and what reassured me, frankly, was that he could change times very easily. He could change mood. So literally the transition from screaming, I should have taken you over the hooch man. It's all my fault to ashes to ashes and dust to dust.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a very astute question because the intensity of it is remarkable. We actually have a grainy old video of it, but I sometimes get surprised myself. I was actually holding onto his arm the whole time. I didn't even realize it at the time, but I was like trying to connect with him so that whatever else was going on, he knew I was there with him. And I guess two things to him. One was...”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It just got symptoms all over again. It started to look like he was hearing voices, although he wasn't. Discontrol of emotion. And so I had him grieve his brother's death in the same way. And he got discharged. He was spending his time training teenagers how to do long distance cycling. And he was out of the hospital and doing fine. So, you know, I thought that anything that can help people in these rather extreme situations come to a new point of view in a hurry about that was worth pursuing. And I've been doing it ever since. And we've had people in every guy who was in his home for three years. He had the social phobia, you know, where he just couldn't stand to leave his house. He was there for three years, and we taught him to use self-hypnosis to deal with his anxiety, and he's out in the world again. He's living a normal life. So it is surprising how much it can help people in our age.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That was it, raven a cake, so it was a way of helping him acknowledge his grief, begin to go through a process of grieving, but see it from two points of view, that he had this time with his kid. He made the boy happy, the boy made him happy, and that can't be taken away even though he died. And he was in the hospital for a while longer. He practiced it every day sitting in the ward. He was doing his self-hypnosis. And he was discharged. He was upset. He couldn't get back in the army. He wanted to, but he'd been discharged. His brother, who was a police officer in Chicago, was killed in the line of duty and he decompensated again. But we processed degrees.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Department store in Chicago. And he said, he's so happy you're nine number one cook. So I said, okay, we're going to put as much of this as you don't want to think about now behind a filter to be there if you need it. But you're going to remember two things about this. You're going to remember burying him and you're going to remember that birthday party. And so he's, you know, he's sweating, his tears going down his cheeks. And I brought him out of the hypnosis. And he looked a little sort of dazed. He looked a little confused. And I said, what do you remember? And he said, Doc, I remember a grave and a cake.”
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“And so he says, Oh, you look so happy. The donut dollies brought a cake. My sister sent an electric train for a present for you. You never seen electric train before, have you? You know, Vietnam, they've got no railroads, and it turned out later that the train was actually from Spiegel Brothers.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Fault. And I said, tell me something. Would this boy blame you for what happened? And he starts to smile. He says, no, no, he said, your number one cook, you're my number one cook, number one cook. He knew he was going to die. He was crippled. He looked like he had arthritis, and so I said, okay, we're going to go to his funeral now. No, we're going to go to a different time. We're going to go to a time before the funeral when you had a party for him. A happy memory. Because, you know, often with grief, the reason it hurts so much is that you loved and cared about each other so much. So there's something positive behind the grief. Right.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They became buddies. And during the TED offensive, I find out in hypnosis he comes upon the boy's body and he realizes he's been killed. And in reliving this in hypnosis, and he was very hypnotizable, he says, oh my God, the hydi-wing. Oh my God, they ain't got to kill kids. They ain't got to kill kids. So he's screaming and crying. And then he's going into setting up defenses on a water tower because he thinks we're going to be overrun by Viet Cong and he's going through all of that. And I move him then. The remarkable thing was he was very intensely involved in all this, but very malleable. So I'd say, okay, we're going to change times now. And we're going to go to the time when you collected his body and buried him. And so he does that. And he says, hashes to hashes and dust to dust, I guess, that's it. And then he starts banging on the arm of his chair and he says, if I'd only take ya over to G-Wing, man, you wouldn't be there, it's all mine.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It had offensive, and he just grabbed an ambulance and some guns and ran out in the jungle and started shooting at what he thought were Viet Cong. And he seemed psychotic. They couldn't contain him. He was agitated. He was emotionally uncontrolled. He wasn't responding to meds. And he wound up being discharged from the Army and spending 11 months in a state mental hospital in California. And a social worker there interviewed him and said, he's not a drug user. He doesn't seem psychotic to me. There's something wrong, but I think it's post-traumatic. So I saw him at the BA and he told me that something happened during the dead offensive, and it had something to do with a Vietnamese child that he had informally adopted. He was like the youngest of thirteen children. This kid had been badly burned, was on a crutch. Nobody seemed to claim him, and so he just kind of took over.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, breakthrough. And she said, Oh, I like this. I want to keep doing this. And she was hospitalized one month after that, a month later, and went on to study to be a respiratory therapist. And I thought that anything that could help the patient that much, that fast, frustrate the head nurse violated non existent Massachusetts law had to be worth looking into. And I've been doing it ever since. But, you know, the nice thing is you can see it in front of your eyes. You see whether it's going to help. You know, just like you with your pain, you know, it's the same thing. If it's going to happen, your brain is wired to every part of the body to make it happen quickly. And it doesn't always happen, but it often does. I'd say the next major patient that really struck me when I first got to Stanford, I was assigned to the Palo Alto VA Medical Center. And there was an army cook who had been mustered out of the Army because after nineteen years of good service, something happened during the”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did it. He said, Well, you're going to have to stop doing this. And I said, oh, really why? He said, because it could be dangerous. And I said, you're going to give her general anesthesia and put her on steroids. And my talking to her is dangerous? I don't think so. So I said, tell you what, as long as she's my patient, I'm not telling her something I know isn't true. So take me off the case if you want. So he storms out of the room. He finds the chief resident and the attending and they have a council of war. And they came back with a radical solution. They said, let's ask the patient. You know, I don't think they'd ever thought of that.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I said something very subtle and clever. I said, each breath you take will be a little deeper and a little easier. And within five minutes, she's lying back in bed. She's now wheezing anymore. Her mother stopped crying. Nurse runs out of the room. And if you think about the dynamic of that, I mean, it was stunning to me. I couldn't believe it. But each time she tried to breathe and had trouble, she got more and more anxious because she thinks I'm going to not be able to breathe. It's very frightening. So you have her anxiety building like a snowball rolling downhill on top of the physical sensations. So in comes my intern. I thought he's going to pat me on the back and say, good for you. He said, the nurse has filed a complaint with the nursing supervisor that you violated Massachusetts law by hypnotizing a minor without parental consent. Kid you not. And Massachusetts has a lot of dumb laws, but that is not on the list. And furthermore, her mother was standing next to me.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The first one was the one that got me to decide that, yes, this happens to remember my father's interest, but I'm not going to let that deter me from something I'm interested in. And it was the first patient I reused hypnosis with. It was on my pediatrics rotation at Children's Hospital in Boston. The nurse says, Spiegel, your patient is in room 342. She's in status asthmaticus. She's been hospitalized every month for three months, and she's back again. And she hasn't responded epinephrine twice, and we're going to maybe give her general anesthesia and put her on steroids. So I walked in the room following the sound of the wheezes down the hall. Pretty 15-year-old girl bolt upright in bed, struggling for breath, knuckles white, mother standing there crying. I didn't know what to do, but I had taken hypnosis course, so I said, Well, would you like to learn a breathing exercise? And she nods. So I get her hypnotized and I break into a sweat and I think, wait a minute, we haven't gotten the hasma in the course.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it is, but it wasn't, unfortunately. They concluded that hypnosis was nothing but heated imagination. And you know what? I've heard worse definitions than hypnosis, but that was it for mesmer. Yeah. And so, you know, it's set in motion a pattern of why hypnosis is just an underdeveloped resource, is that people think it's either dangerous or it's ridiculous, and it's neither. It's a valuable, effective treatment that we have underutilized for decades, for centuries.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The French doctor loved me, pulled out the stops. They said that his theory was all wrong, that he wasn't really changing magnetic fields, which is correct. It's true. They concluded. And another member of the panel was Lavoisier, the brilliant French chemist who developed oxygen chemistry and who six months before he was beheaded in the French Revolution discovered the idea of the gross national product. He was a genius. And one of the third other panel members was a doctor named Dr. Guillin, the inventor of the guillotine.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, there was a lot in the doctor patient relationship in that time that was pretty grim. And so the fact that Mesmer was talking to patients and listening to them made him very popular. So they got King Louis to convene a panel to investigate Mesmer. The panel was very interesting. Our own Benjamin Franklin was on it. He was having a lot of fun with parents.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Why? And I said, well, I don't like the passivity. I don't like not offering something, trying to help fix things with people. And she said, you need to understand something. When my father was training as a doctor, it was considered a waste of time for a doctor to listen to a patient. Patients were there to listen to doctors. And I was humbled by that. I thought, you know, it was a very good point. And she said, it's hard to be analyzed because analysis is a liberation from your parents, and that's difficult if your parents are analysts. And she knew better than anyone because her father was her analyst, actually.”
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“Because that's how they didn't. And they still in some like hand damage things. They use leeches to suck blood out of certain regions in the hand and all that. But at the time, that was the major treatment. And he was so popular. And the cool thing, if you read about what his office was like, it was cheerful. It was brightly lit. Patients would hang around all day boasting about what they'd done with animal magnetism. And the typical French physician's office was truly grim. It was dark, no decorations on the walls. Patients were getting bad news from doctors. I once had the opportunity to visit Anna Freud when I was a medical student in London, and she asked me if I was going to become an analyst. And I tried to be diplomatic and say, Well, I'm not sure, she said, so you're not going to be announced. She wasn't messing around, you know.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that's right. That's right. From animal magnetism to transcranial magnetic stimulation. That's right. And he was very popular. He left his wife and family in Vienna. He moved to Paris. He was out competing the leading French physicians of the day. Voltaire wrote to his brother, we did everything we could to save father's life. We even sent the doctors away. And if you think about the major treatment at the time in France, it was bloodletting. France was the world's leading exporter of leeches And unless you happen to have congestive hearts”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He called it animal magnetism. And he thought it actually had to do with changing the magnetic field in a patient's body. And he had to look at tubs filled with iron filings. And he had a magnet. In fact, the magic wand and magic shows comes originally from a magnetic rod.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was in Bali watching trans healers and the difference in Bali, and this has gone on for thousands of years, they go into a trance and their patients watch them. So they kind of go into this altered state and start chanting and singing. And the idea is if you watch it as kind of hypnotic and you'll kind of go along with them. But from a Western point of view, it started in the late 18th century with Franz Anton Mesmer, who was a Viennese physician.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But there are some non hypnotizable people who do too, because they get the concept, even if they don't get the feeling that comes along with it. And the other thing that keeps in mind in addiction medicine is that the odd thing is that it's not actually the hive from the drug that hooks people. The chase is better than the catch. So you get more mesolimbic dopamine secreted when you're going through a scenario of scoring a drug than when you're actually taking the drug. So it's the anticipation of pleasure that really gets to people. And from my point of view, using hypnosis, that's fertile ground for intervention, where you just say, I can make you feel good without chasing after the drug. I can make you feel good the way you felt when you hugged your six-month-old child because you're doing the same thing with your body now. And that's a good thing. So helping people to focus on what they're for is a crucial.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, the results we get with hypnosis is about one in four, one out of five people just flat out stop, and the rest cut down by about 50% in how much they're smoking. That's roughly comparable to the use of vareniclean or bupropion or nicorette patches. It's not very different. It depends on the population, but it's about as good. Is it the same people? I don't know for sure, because they're done in different contexts, but it's not bad. And I have people who are surprised by how easy. They said like a lever was pulled, and I just don't worry about it anymore. I just don't think about it. Now, does it have with everyone know? But every time we feel good anytime we get anybody to stop the most reversible cause of cancer in the world, this is cigarette smoking. Anybody you get, that's a good thing. And even people who are, it is correlated with hypnotizability. So more hypnotizable people are more likely to stop using this approach.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know that you're going to stop smoking. And we're getting one out of five people stop just like that. And they surprise themselves. That's one of the things I love about working with hypnosis is people are surprised at what they can do because they're trying out being different and seeing what it feels like.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so you're focusing not on whether you have an urge to smoke or not, whether you feel better on nicotine or not, but whether you are going to commit to respect and protect your body. And that way you can feel good from the moment you make the commitment to do it. I'm being a good parent to my own body. So even people who aren't hypnotizable can get that concept and say, I'm not going to worry about my urge. I have lots of urges I don't act on. I don't have to act on this one just because I have it. So I had one alcoholic who I was trying to use that to help him stop his drinking. He said, oh, you mean sort of like the body is the temple of the soul? And I said, yes, you got it. That's it. And he stopped drinking. So it's a matter of finding a way to formulate the resolution of a problem so that you start feeling good from the moment you commit to doing it.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. And Hackett said, well, you're smoking. He said, no, but I forgot to tell you that my wife is a smoker. So he had to hypnotize him and say only your cigarette. Doesn't work. You focus on what you're for. Respect and protect your body. For my body smoking is a poison. I need my body to live. I owe my body respect and protection. You would never put tauranicotine-filled smoke in your baby's lungs. Your body is as dependent on you as your baby.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People who are experienced with hypnosis, that is, people who know that people actually listen and respond to what you say, will say the dumbest thing you can say to somebody is don't think about purple elephants. What are you going to think about? And the best way to change behavior is intermittent positive reinforcement. So you want the process of change to be what Chicks Sent May called autotelek. You want to feel good about doing it. So an example where we do that in hypnosis and where even non-hypnotizable people can respond is When I try to teach someone how to stop smoking, which was the first experiment we did with reverie, I don't say, you know, cigarettes will taste terrible. My professor at medical school did that. You know, it's all your cigarettes will taste like horseshit. And the guy lit up the cigarette and said, oh, thank you, doctor. And he got a frantic call two hours later. He says, doc, my house smells terrible. My house smells like worship.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Most of the rest of us would say, Ouch, you know, I can't do this, are interpreting that as I'm pushing my body as hard and as far as I can to get what I want. And so they will interpret things that everyday people would interpret as putting yourself through pain, as training, doing what you need to do. And that runner's high is in part composed of signals that many of us would just consider painful. And so that's part of what the brain does and that's part of what hypnosis helps us to regulate and control. How much of it is pain and how much it is not. And so the interpretation of pain, the meaning of it, has a lot to do with how much it hurts.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's like 20 second hug. There's a point where it gets uncomfortable. It gets uncomfortable. That's right. And it's usually after the first second or two. That's right. And so the brain is doing its interpretive job of making meaning out of the sensory experience. One of the other things that we know happens in the brain with hypnosis is higher functional connectivity between the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and the insula. The insula is this little island. It means island in Latin in the mid-front part of the brain that is a mind-body conduit. So it's a place where the brain controls what's happening in the body, how much gastric acid you secrete your autonomic arousal, for example. And also it receives information interroception from the body. How is the body reacting to things? And hypnosis intensifies this connection and intensifies coordinated activity between the executive control network and the insula. And so it's a way in which the brain can intensify its reading and understanding and interpretation of what's happening in the body. And so athletes who are pushing their bodies to do things that most”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so you can have a signal that doesn't necessarily automatically convey that something is wrong with the body. It may be just an intense ceiling. You know, it's like the difference between an enthusiastic hug and a squeeze that hurts. And there's a line in there somewhere that you cross, and it's pretty obvious. But there's also an area of interpretation.”
2024-04-10 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT