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Dick Costolo
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“It seems, but it so it started happening before this again, like you know, thinking about the upright citizens brigade folks and Amy Poller coming out of that and then Tina and Amy teaming up to co-host, I mean, really co-host some of the awards shows in a way that's been funnier than those shows have been hosted for years and years and years. Amy Schumer's show, which was groundbreaking and like ridiculously funny. And I mean, I think there were more email shares and Facebook shares and Twitter shares of some of her sketches than I'd seen since the Dave Chappelle show. His stuff used to get shared all the time. And then there was this kind of this silence for years until Amy's stuff took off again and blew up. And SNL's having this amazing resource. The SNL resurgence.”
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“Yeah, I think they were doing their own two man thing and they were doing some digital stuff. So I think all that is great. But there's just an explosion. It goes always goes in waves, but there's an explosion of comic talent right now that I just think is it because of how bad things are?”
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“The format through which comics can now communicate Twitter short digital shorts, easy to produce digital shorts that don't have to be done by a network or HBO, et cetera, have just allowed people to start to see a lot more stuff and it's allowed comics to experiment. It's one of the ways that TJ and Thomas Ehrlich and Richard on Silicon Valley were discovered. I mean, they were.”
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“Great satire is amazing in that it's both funny and opens your eyes to how insane some particular point of view is. And I just feel like there's not enough of that in Silicon Valley. Or anywhere.”
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“Part of it Well, it's also sometimes Twitter is very funny. I'll use Twitter. Twitter is where a lot of it happens, but sometimes it's cruel. It's become cruel, funny, and in a way that's not, it's just been a hellscape of noise at each other rather than really funny stuff, which really does well when it hits right on Twitter”
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“And on the democracy level, right now it seems only bad. But there's always been, hey, this is amazing and this seems horrible. And yet there was an ability to like look at it and satirize some of it or understand that they're the absurdity of some of it. And now it just weird that there's none of that on any level.”
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“No, I don't think so. There have always been, I mean, look, maybe on the democracy level and the sexual harassment level, I think the fact that all the sexual harassment stuff is being exposed is only good.”
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“I think it was, I think the line was, I don't remember, I'm not going to get this exactly right, but it couldn't have happened because had a drink in one hand and the pony leash in the other hand. Yeah, I was like imagining what the exchange between him and the attorney might have been after that. Next time let's go with righteous indignation.”
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“Pointed and inventive, like an innovative Amy Schumer's show was amazing. Julie was Dreyfus, I think, is like the funniest person on TV right now. I think that Kumail's new movie, as I said, doing like an advertisement for Kumail's movies. But the big sick is one of the best movies I saw last year.”
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“I think not enough is funny in Silicon Valley right now, as I was saying. It's kind of a bummer. That's one of the reasons I'm so happy to get more involved back in comedy is where a lot of the fun, so where a lot of actually actual fun stuff is happening and a lot of innovation is happening.”
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“You know more about. I didn't get to hang out with those folks. So, what do you think is funny right now in Silicon Valley? And then we're going to, in the next section, we're going to talk about where comedy is going.”
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“Hurt your feelings. And then they're like, well, is it? I'm like, yeah, yeah, you ruin the country. Go back into your, you know, go back into Menlo Park or wherever the fuck you live and leave us alone. Stop doing, stop inventing things immediately. But it is, the lack of sense of humor is really interesting in Silicon Valley now. And it used to be that kind of counterculture of...”
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“Don't be earnest. No, exactly. Don't be either. You can pick one. No, I don't like earnest. You know what I mean? I'm getting a lot of false earnestness. I'm getting like a lot of calls. Like, I'm feeling really bad. Like really big people. This Russia thing really upsets me. I'm like, well, it's upset democracy. So the rest of us are kind of pissed. Thanks a lot.”
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“A little bit. I mean, like we were talking earlier about the pony. You can be agonized. Don't be earnest. No, exactly. Don't be either. You can pick one.”
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“Take a little bit, and they're all kind of ridiculous. You gotta be able to listen if you can't laugh at yourself. I don't know. I know, but it's.”
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“Right. Yeah. Or at least there used to be a little bit of like, I know this is outrageous, but ha ha ha, I'm in on a joke. Right. Is it the wealth? I don't know. Maybe it's the money. I guess so. Yeah, because they definitely take they used to be.”
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“Well, there's a, yeah, there's a lot of that, which is like there's a surprising lack of self-awareness that seems to have gotten, there seems to be more of it. And I mean, there just is. You can see it in lots and lots of places. Why do you think that is? I have no idea. It's crazy because I feel like how does this person not know?”
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“They're able to run with ideas and take the suggestion and incorporate it into sort of an everyday situation that works for people.”
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“I think so, yeah. The folks in Veep hear the same things from folks in Washington. Like, oh man, I can't watch that show because it's so on point. While that may be horrific to all of us, that's what they hear from folks in Washington”
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“VCs and Silicon Valley, and they've got that he's like this noble, they've really locked into Richards, despite all his foibles and flaws, is the noble character in the show. And he has to do these kinds of things and fulfill these kinds of obligations as the noble character in the show. And they've figured it out. I mean, the ability to do both things is hard. So it's not the topic.”
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“By everybody. But the fact that people here think of it as so on point and it's hilarious to people who don't understand the tech industry at all is the genius of the show. I think that's because Alec and Mike are so good at why do we care about Richard as like normal human beings, not like”
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“Nothing like an HBO. So Did you were you surprised how successful the show has been? Because there's never been a really good tech show, right? I mean, it's fun. We here laugh like Dick, you and I talk and we're like in hysterics by everybody.”
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“No, nothing like this at this level. I've been asked to help out with a nonsense thing here and there before, but nothing like an HBO show where you've got like an incredible level of talent. So I was just surprised by how things that work so well on paper would fall flat around the table and other things that seemed like not so great on paper were hilarious.”
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“But the second thing that was interesting to observe was how funny some of the episodes felt writing them and reading through them in the room and then what things would work and what things wouldn't work during a read through, things that you thought were so funny when you were writing them, you'd get to read through at the actress around the table and the HBO execs there and you're like, wow, that just didn't work. Like, how in the world, that's just zero. And then things that really aren't that funny at all that you think of. Give me an example, don't remember, just things that seem funny on paper weren't funny when they read through them and things like mine.”
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“So that was impressive to me. Just how good every pitch was like, wow, this is so great. So you would end up with an hour's material for a show that ended up only needing to be a half hour or so. And you're constantly cutting out stuff that's funny”
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“Was there for all of season three, and the writer's room, and then a little bit of the production, not a ton of it. It's amazing to see, I'll tell you, I'll give you just a few quick observations, me and the writer's room. One, the writer's room for that show is like a who's who of talent. You know, you had Ron Wiener from one of the headwriters of 30 Rock and John, who I just mentioned coming from a bunch of shows and most recently arrested development and Clay Tarver and Mike and Alex. I mean, it's just one after another. No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, Carrie Woodruff's in the room and Megan Amran was in the room. So sorry, I was listening to all the guys first. Megan's awesome on Twitter and Carrie's hilarious.”
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“And they're going through this discussion about the scene, and I'm thinking, and like I said to Mike or Alec afterward, I don't remember which one I said, what's going to happen when the production team starts. So when the writers are writing in the summer, the production team's not there. The actors aren't there. The production team's not there. They don't know re-get back together in October and start going through the scripts. I was like, what happens in October when the production team comes and go, yeah, listen, in the first episode, here's this scene. How quickly is this going to be written out of the show? You'd be surprised what we can, you know, you'd be surprised what they're like, okay, fine. And then what they're like, no, we can never do that.”
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“The horse knows, however I was in the pitch session. You advise since you had a horse. No, I was in the pit with her. Like, would this actually happen? I don't have anything to say about that. So in the pitch session for the what if, you know, what if Jack's got to go to Sonoma because he's mating his horse”
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“And it was immediately one of those oh, we gotta, this is great. Where can we use this? And then making it Action Jack sort of thing in this Harvard case study was perfect.”
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“No, no, no, that's John Levenstein. John came in one morning who's great. John came in one morning and literally just went up to the whiteboard in the writer's room and drew it. The whole thing sales, you know, sales, Richard, sales and engineering are the two pillars of the conjoin triangle. Richard compromises the shared hypotenuse of the conjoined triangles of success. I mean, he literally wrote the whole thing out.”
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“That's no wonder you're now knowing what the show is. I was like, but I was, they weren't paying me anything. Right. I thought you had done labor.”
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“Like, I think at one point Richard says something, well, four years from, you know, the four-year plan is to be profitable by so-and-so and Action Jack, the CEO's brought in, said, hey, Richard, in March of 2001, the four-year plan lasted another month before everything crashed. See, I told you it wasn't very linear. Yes, that was funny. You're like, you're like,”
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“Would never do that Yeah, like occasionally one or two got through, but they were, you know, like little minor things. Which ones”
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“And so I would give them advice on that kind of stuff and say, nah, it would more likely happen this way. And then, of course, as I got comfortable being in the room, I would start pitching ideas. And Alec Berg has this great way of saying that's a horrible idea, which is he'll go, yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. We could do that. Or we could also And I was always like, that was very nice of you to always say it that way instead of”
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“I keep asking this, you never give a straight answer. I would give them advice, but I would give them advice. So, first of all, there was what I was there to do and then what I would do. What I was there to do was the hey, we need to have the board needs to, we need to get Richard into this kind of a situation. And one idea we have is that Lori and Raviga could do this to him. How would that work? Would he go there? Would they come into the boardroom? That kind of stuff, just to try to get they went veritude. That's correct.”
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“Yeah, stop following him on Twitter. So I went to lunch with those guys. It was great. I just went right into the writer's room. Literally into the writer's room for season three. And it was awesome. What did you do?”
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“Well, that was you reconnected me to Mike Judge and Alec Berg, the executive producers and showrunners for Silicon Valley. I went down to lunch with those guys. It was great. They already knew in season three they needed to bring in a new CEO because Richard wasn't going to be the CEO of the company at the beginning of season three. So it was just sort of perfect timing with you actually went through that.”
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“So interestingly, the one thing I will say about it was it was never the people in Hollywood. You know, they're sort of, well, I think they know like, hey, ups and down. That group of people deals with the, I'm a star, I'm a nobody. I'm a star again. So they get it more than anyone else does, probably.”
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“Oh, don't worry, have people who came in and tell you watch this follower, and you know, but you can get, I would get alerted to certain things. Oh, wow. And that I noticed. Or I would go try to DM someone. It was like, this person doesn't follow you. It's like, what? No, they do follow me because I have a DM exchange with them from before. I never kept calling you. No, it wasn't you.”
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“But I will say that this was fascinating. The interesting thing was the day that the news broke that I wasn't going to be Twitter anymore, you would be surprised at the people who immediately unfollowed me on Twitter. Yes, yes, you would. So”
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“You're too expensive. The interesting thing, and I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus here. Yeah. Well, we can do this later in private.”
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“It was only about like three days later when people stopped emailing me, so I didn't have to wait six months. Oh, Dick, we.”
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“And then the person, the waiter came over and nodded yet and really nobody cares. And so he said, don't react to anything that's going on right now. Don't react to offers that come in. Yeah, don't wait six months and then he specifically said, don't be a catcher receiving offers, be a fisher. Wait till no one's emailing you anymore and then go decide what you want to do. Right. I thought that was great advice.”
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“That's all right. I had an all hands meeting and was like, well, this is going to be public in two minutes. Peter texted me and said, I'm coming into town, get dinner with me. And we got dinner. And he said, listen, when I left Sony Entertainment, I thought everyone really cared about what I was going to do next. And I thought it was really important to be clear about what I was going to do next. I'm going to do this and get my story out there. And he said, you know, the reality is I hate to break this to you. Nobody cares. Nobody cares.”
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“And Tootsie, I think, and several others hits, big hits. Peter, when the news broke, well, which was instantly the moment I told the company on June 11th, 2015 that I was leaving. I think that was”
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“Can be good, you know, and then that can be fun. You're certainly under a microscope, but once you're running a public company, you're always under a microscope.”
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“I've said this a million times, say it again. I love running that company. I love the people there. I loved doing it. It was exciting. Like every day was a challenge. It's just a lot of work, man.”
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“Was not there for what you would consider the Donald Trump era, of Twitter? It is now. I mean, he was on, of course, at the time and saying things that not too dissimilar than the kinds of things he says today, but he wasn't in the position that he is now.”
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“Something else. No, no. I'm enjoying up on Twitter because I wanted to get into comedy. I want to talk about comedy. And where it's going. So you were at Twitter, which provided a lot of material. I don't know why you just don't do sets on Twitter, like being the CEO of Twitter. I think that would be very funny. We were going to do that. We were going to do a comedy show on tech. Don't you think that would be funny?”
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“Things change from being has been to something else. No, no, let's get up with Twitter because I wanted to get into comedy.”
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