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Glenn Loury

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  1. “Some people might have thought that. Some people might have been disturbed but not been able to see what it is that they could do about it. They might have thought, oh, this is disgusting. This is not something I would want to have anything to do with, but not knowing whether there's any practical way of opposing it. That's why you need a movement. for the people who are Troubled by the practice to know that there are others like themselves equally troubled and as they gather together, collectively they can exert their”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “And I don't know. I wasn't around in 1840. My sense of the matter is that like many practices that are unjust, most people thought that's just the way it is. I mean, that's the world that they inherited. They were not moralists. They were not revolutionaries. They just wanted to go along. Some people might have been troubled by it, but thought there's nothing that can be done. Some people might have thought, well, these black Africans, they're not really like us. And, you know, they are lucky to be here. If they were in Africa, they'd be worse off still.”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. “Yeah, you spoke of the European context and of the Nazis and certainly a lot of people had to be looking the other way when the massive crimes that were committed by that regime were being undertaken. I mean, railroad cars full of human beings being taken off to be slaughtered or to be worked to death in labor camps or to be gassed, et cetera. A lot of people had to know about what was going on. Look the other way or enthusiastically support it the persecution of the Jews and the Gypsies and so on.”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. “Over the following decades, build a foundation for the development of African Americans within the context of American society that eventually culminated in the civil rights movement of the middle of the 20th century and has led us into the present day. So, you know. Human nature can countenance awful evil. But human nature can also survive in the face of terrible evil. That's what I take from slavery.”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. “Struggling against slavery for the better part of a century before that practice could be eradicated. But the other thing about human nature that I see is the ability of people to sustain their humanity under the most awful oppressive conditions. The enslaved persons, the slaves and their children, I mean, they were chattel, they were bought and sold like horses or cattle. And yet they were not, their humanity was not destroyed by that. And they were able to sustain their dignity to some degree in such a manner that once emancipation finally did arrive, the freedmen and Women, the persons who had been enslaved and who were set free were able to”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. “A compromise made, and it was made where slavery was allowed to persist and the people who were against it or who thought it morally problematic were able to countenance the practice in the southern states where slavery flourished. And that went on for 75 years after the founding of the country until the crisis of the late 1850s that led to the Civil War and ultimately to the emancipation. So one thing I think about human nature from the fact of slavery is that the ability of people to live with terrible morally questionable practices and have that as a part of their institutions, it took a massive movement of abolitionists.”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. “Well, I think of two things right off the top of my head One is about the capacity of people Looking the other way in the face of Unethical and morally profoundly problematic practice. So, I mean, slavery was controversial. It was controversial going all the way back to the founding of the United States of America. The country was founded on a compromise where half of the country thought that slavery was abhorrent and would not have had it countenanced in the Constitution. The other half of the country were steeped in the dependence on the labor of these African captives and their descendants. The economy depended upon it. They owned them as property. That was their wealth. Their wealth was invested to some degree, and the value of these human beings. And in order for the United States to come together as a confederation of the several colonies,”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. “Principles of equality. He was a pacifist to some degree. He was against war. He was a socialist to some degree. He might not have worn that label publicly, but he believed in a decent society where the poor would not go untended, where healthcare would be available to people who needed it and this kind of thing. A humanitarian who saw that the value of a life was not dependent upon the color of the skin, upon the native mother tongue that might be spoken upon whether male or female. All persons are created equal. This is very much. Ethic of Martin Luther King, on my understanding.”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  9. “I don't mean to say that the speech in Washington. In 1963 at that march was within the context of the United States. And it was within the context of the civil rights movement. There was a movement that was going on. He was an actor in a political drama that was American, that had to do with the fight over equal rights for voting, for housing, for employment, for citizenship of blacks in America. But King was informed, I think, by a much broader Christian ethic of the equality of all persons. I mean, he gets killed in 1968, the five years after that speech in Washington, he spends developing his worldview and the things that he had to say, for example, about the war in Southeast Asia that was going on at that time, made appeals to universal”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  10. “Yeah, I think that's correct. I think that's very well said. I don't know that he had in mind the position of Slavic people in Central Europe in the middle of the 20th century or the first part of the 20th century king. I don't know that he had that in mind. He might well have done. But certainly that's the idea.”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. “But by the time you get to 1963, King is invoking this idea all men, and of course he means all persons. He doesn't only mean men. He means men and women are created equal to the He wants this idea to be embraced by the country in reference to the descendants of the African slaves. That's his dream. That's his idea. The legacy of slavery would be erased, that the position of African Americans would be equalized within the political community, which is the United States of America. That's my sense of it in any case.”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. “Now, I think it's really important to understand that slavery. Was not merely a legal order, but it was also a social order. System that had the symbolism attached to it. They had a big journey to make from their subjugated status as serfs, as landless people, as uneducated, unfit for citizenship really in the minds of many. So I think that's what in 1963, 100 years later, that King is appealing to this idea that when Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence writes these words all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. He didn't Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner. Didn't have in mind when he wrote those words The people who were slaves were”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. “Well We put this in historical context, Is speaking in 1963 when he gives that speech. It's exactly one hundred years after Abraham Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation declaring the enslaved people to be free. They're not yet citizens in eighteen sixty three. But the end of slavery has become the position of the federal government when Lincoln issues that emancipation proclamation. So putting it in context, enslaved people, four million or so African descendant enslaved people. How do they become citizens? How do they become in this status of Subjugation and domination and stigma and exclusion, how do they become citizens? It seems to me that that's the heart of it. The equality that King is talking about is an equality of status as members of the nation. As free and equal citizens within the Republic.”

    2022-05-14 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #285 – Glenn Loury: Race, Racism, Identity Politics, and Cancel Culture · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source