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  1. “I'm lying there and then I wake up. I get up and I walk very slowly doing this mindful slow walking to the end of the hut and look out the window toward where some of the other monks and the teachers live some way down, some way down through the trees. And then I turn around and I start walking the other direction in this meditation hut that I had that you could walk probably it was maybe 15, 18 feet long. It was long and narrow. And I see this body lying on the floor.”

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  2. “At one point it was relatively early on. I'd been sitting and walking and pushing it, as young men do. I'm going to get enlightened and all of that and not moving, sitting with a lot of pain, which is also part of what happened at the Forest Monastery, sitting on a stone floor for hours without moving. He really had to learn how to deal with your own physical pain. And I was exhausted from sitting and walking in my little hut that I had for that long retreat. And after a couple months, I thought, I'm really tired. I got to lie down, but then I thought, well, but I'm not going to nap for very long because I'm on my way to enlightenment, whatever. I'm going to do this right. So I said, all right, I'll lie down on the wooden floor rather than on the little mat that I had. And that way I won't sleep so long.”

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  3. “Well, then I went to a Burmese monastery because I wanted to do this very intense meditative training and I spent about 500 days, so less than a year and a half in silence. With the exception that I would talk to the teacher every couple days, I'd have a little 10-minute conversation about what was happening in my meditation. And the rest, I was just sitting and walking 18 hours a day when I could or so sleeping a little bit. And I remember”

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  4. “Yeah, well, yeah, when it's really highly spiced, you can't tell what it's mystery. That's true. We all have mystery meet in middle school anyway. This was like mystery meet on steroids.”

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  5. “Preserve the food, but when it was a really poor village or something, they would have to make curries out of Field lice or field rats or bats or I remember eating there was a curry that was made out of basically grasshoppers that had come swept through and there was this whole big insect wave of Insects that were kind of eating the crops and they collected them all and made a curry out of them. So, you know, okay, this is what you get for your food today. I think I might take the”

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  6. “One meal, one meal, you eat one meal a day, which makes you very easy to life easy. And at the same time, that monastery things were shared. There was other monasteries I stayed in where you would just eat what was put in your own bowl. And you didn't have to eat everything that was given to you. There were some things that were in the dry, poor season there would be curries that were too hot for me to eat because they used the chilies to kind of”

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  7. “A charnel ground, which is where a cremation ground where people's bodies would be burned. And so on occasion. Would go to a cremation and then sit up all night and contemplate death. look at the body and then watch as it burned and then do these meditations where you would reflect on well this is going to happen to the body that you're inhabiting as well who do you think you are do you think you're this physical body made of you know hamburgers or you know lettuce or whatever you happen to eat is that you are you hamburgers and lettuce you know or are you your feelings or are you your thoughts who are you really born into this body like ko So anyway.”

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  8. “You know, you sit for a couple of hours in meditation and do long than an hour long chanting on a stone floor, then it's getting dawn and you walk barefoot, you know, three miles, five miles, ten miles with an alms bowl and a handful of other monks and get your food and come back, whatever you've been offered, and that's the food for the day. And then you go back to your meditation or to the work of the monastery of sewing robes or drawing water from the well. And it's muggy and 105 degrees hot season. And then you go back and you join in the community for more meditation. And then the teacher smiles and you say, how are you doing? And then other kinds of practices. For example, we had a charnel ground there. I'm sorry.”

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  9. “Colleague that it would come, and we'd just be sitting and meditating, and he would kind of peek over at us like, how are you doing? I go, God, it's been four hours. When is he going to let us go back to sleep? And he didn't, you know, so sitting up all night, it got very cold in the cold season, and it got insanely hot in the hot season and somehow learning to live extremely simply with a set of sandals and a set of robes and an alms bowl and then you would eat what you got offered in the village and we would share it in that monastery with others around us and sometimes you'd get nice food and a lot of times in the dry season you'd get really really skimpy food and there wasn't that much to eat and so picture a day where you get up at 3 30 in the morning”

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  10. “getting up the bell would ring at 3 30 in the morning and I'm not an early riser by nature I go oh god here we go and we walk through it was actually very beautiful then we'd walk through the forest at night either by moonlight or sometimes you'd have a tiny little flashlight and in one of the forest monasteries where there were a lot of cobras we'd have a little stick and you'd tap the path so that the snakes would know you or feel you coming and move out of the way you wouldn't step on them and then we would sit silently for a couple of hours and then do an hour of chanting on a hard stone floor mind you everybody else seemed comfortable and my body was killing me and then at least once a week we would sit up all night with the teacher and he would sit there comfortably meditating maybe talking with another”

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  11. “Childhood and family, dreams that I carried, things were filled and not all that comes up. Yeah, my friend Annie Lamot, humorist and writer, says, my mind is like a bad neighborhood. I try not to go there alone. And there's some way in which in community sitting together with others in meditation and then sitting in my hut, it was really facing myself and my full humanity. That was probably the most difficult thing because then you get insanely bored or insanely restless. And then how do you deal with all those energies? Normally when we're restless or bored, what do we do? Open the refrigerator or go online or something because we can't be with our own loneliness Our own fear. So that was the inner. And then there's the outer ones. The outer one, yeah, the outer surface were things like”

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  12. “There were the two kinds of suffering, the big suffering, of course, was being alone with my own mind. I mean, there you go, you know, having to do hours of meditation when I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And then, as I talked about with anger or fear, confusion, or, you know, all those kind of states, learning to deal in a very conscious and mindful way and then more importantly in a compassionate way, in a kind and loving way, with all the energies that make up my humanity and our humanity. And that means when you sit and you get quiet, anything unfinished in your heart will also come up, all the unfinished business. So, you know, relationships that I'd had that ended badly in college or certainly stuff from my child.”

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  13. “Well, some examples. Okay, so of course the first training was just how to walk around and not have my robe fall on the ground and embarrass me and everyone else. Oh, so they all loved it. Oh, yeah, all right, look at the Western East. He can't even chew gum and wear his robes right or whatever. So part of it was just the unfamiliarity of it culturally and otherwise. Right.”

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  14. “And he looks at me, you know, kind of leans back a little, a little skeptically. He said, all right, I hope you're not afraid to suffer. Welcome. And it was... It was like, you know, you didn't come here just to kind of do some interesting, cool anthropological experiment or something like that. And he did. But there was like this little smile as he said it, like, okay, are you up for it? All right, dude, come on in.”

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  15. “So I visited him a number of times and told him I was going to become a monk. And then I ordained in the village where I was living in the Peace Corps. People wanted me to do that. It was a beautiful ritual. And then after some days made my way down to his temple. And he said, that was his opening gambit. I'm walking into the gates and I see him. I bow. I'm here.”

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  16. “any differently than anyone else he just wants you to do the work you know and learn learn the deepest way you can and he's in this forest jungle and I said I'm going there so having heard that I went and I visited Ajanchah and he was a little bit like the Dalai Lama he was funny and wise and very warm-hearted but also very strict and very demanding but he did it in this loving way and I thought okay this is the real deal this guy looks like like what I was reading about in all those Zen stories”

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  17. “Ruined at the top, and there was this very interesting guy who had just finished a couple years before the first Peace Corps, I think, in Borneo, and then got interested in Buddhism and common ordained as a monk. And I talk with him. He's now, he's named Ajan Sumedo as his monk's name because he's still a monk and he became quite famous in Thailand and then became the abbot of a temple in England. And I became friends with him. And he said, oh, I found a really fine teacher. He said, you know, a lot of them, they kind of take you, you're a Westerner and they treat you special. He said, this guy doesn't treat you.”

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  18. “And then I had to learn Lao. I did because the Peace Corps at that time, it was very early in the Peace Corps, had really good language training. They borrowed it from the Monterey Language Institute. So, you know, initially I didn't speak that well, but because I'd also studied Chinese at Dartmouth, it came more easily. And I was there working in these in the health rural health department on tropical medicine teams, mostly malaria, but also typhoid and teams going out to different villages and drawing blood and giving out medicine and things like that. And then somebody said, there's a Western monk in this province we heard about. Do you want to meet him? I said, of course I do. So I went to this little mountain and walked up 2,000 steps to the old Cambodian temple.”

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  19. “Program with Stan Groff, who was still at Johns Hopkins and married at that time just married to Joan Halifax, Joan Groff. And we became friends. And so we stan and I have now worked together for 45 years. I went out to join him at Eselin for many, many years, spending many months together helping during his development of the holotropic breath work that's this powerful breath transformation. And he has been a partner and a heart friend for exploration, and we've traveled and we've taught in Russia and in places in Europe and various places around the world.”

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  20. “Would come, people were going to India and coming back. And I connected with this whole group of folks who have now been friends for 45 years. Richie Davidson was another that I met there who's now one of the preeminent neuroscientists in the world on studying contemplative neuroscience and affective emotional neuroscience. There was a whole collective of people. Dan Goleman, who wrote emotional intelligence that sold 10 million copies and many others. And then I got a job working for an eslin-like growth center in Boston at that time because I was excited in all the new gestalt bioenergetics. What are the things that are transformative here? And they asked me to help set up programs and I thought, well, who do I want to meet? So I set up a program with John Lilly and I set up a”

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  21. “Mind and a profound psychologist. And here is how craving turns into contentment and here's how aggression can be transformed into powerful energy to heal yourself and others. And he was going through this diagram and I went and I talked to him and he said, oh, you, you come back from monastery, you've got to come over. And so he took me to David McClellan, who had been the chairman of the social science and psychology department at Harvard at that time, the one who hired Tim Leary and Ramdas and then later had to fire them for their LSD work. And his house, he and his wife Mary were Quakers, his home was a kind of suare where Ramdas and Tibetan llamas like Chogyam Trumpa and I think Krishna Murdi and various spiritual figures.”

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  22. “That's correct So I had there's two things to say. When I came back from the monastery and now it's, you know, I guess the year that I connect with Stan was Psychology in graduate school. I was in Boston. And the first really important connection happened when I went to a meeting of the Massachusetts Psychological Association and there was this guy who looked like he didn't look just like the straight psychologist and it turned out he'd just come back from India not long before named Dan Goleman who was a graduate student at Harvard and he'd projected on the screen this Tibetan wheel of birth and death that you see in the Tibetan tankas that normally would be taken as some kind of primitive iconic symbol and he said no this is a psychological diagram the Buddha was actually more than anything else he was a scientist of the”

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  23. “Katabas, which means a blow. It's like something comes and it just sets your life spinning in an entirely different direction.”

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  24. “of the heart of something that you have to bring to the world that you come out of life. And my friend Maledoma Some who's a West African shaman in medicine man, also two PhDs, a kind of remarkable guy, he says with the Dagra people in West Africa that he's from that they say that every child comes into the world with a certain cargo as their metaphor, like the cargo ships that ply the rivers of West Africa, and that they're given gifts to bring into the world and that we have gifts to bring to this mystery which include opening to it. And as we do, love grows, connection grows, and a whole different way of being in the world happens that we need so much at this time. So that's a Little interlude there before we move on to your next question.”

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  25. “You know, somebody close to them gets cancer or is dying or they have some accident or something. And all of a sudden you step back and you realize, whoa, life is uncertain the way I've been taking it. It's not just checking off the list. This is a mystery human incarnation. And what am I going to do with it? And wow, look at this. How did I get in this body? Look at plants and trees and language, the air coming out of your mouth that you shape it different ways and it vibrates a little drum in the ear of someone else and I can say Golden Gate Bridge and they can envision it and you start to realize that all of it is alive and made of consciousness and then the whole sense of who you are and what matters begins to shift and you start to realize that life is not just getting through the hoops but it actually also can be a self-”

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  26. “Brings your attention inward and then all the kind of discoveries become right in front of your but the other thing is that whether it's right for somebody to use psychedelics or to use meditation these are all invitations to step back and see the mystery of your life because we tend to live in the you know daily minutia and checking off our list of tasks that we have to do in completing them our work or you know or eating or all that kind of things that make up a day and we go on to automatic and whether it's meditation and difference or other spiritual disciplines or for some people it also can just be that they have what in Greek is called a kata”

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  27. “Well, I may just want to say one more thing before we move on Because we are talking about this, it turns out for those who are listening that set and setting an intention are extremely important if one uses these psychedelics like psilocybin or something to set the intention to learn, to open, to have a quiet. It's not as a party experience, you know,”

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  28. “Rolling. Rolling Griffiths rather. Roland Griffiths, and Roland Laid out all the research that's happening now on psilocybin that he's been doing and its success for people, terminal cancer patients, all of losing a great deal of the fears that they had, working with people with severe depression. And it was a beautiful session because you could hear how these sacred substances and these mind-altering substances, when they're used in the right context, can really transform human beings. NYU, Johns Hopkins, there's a whole series of studies that are happening now that are finally bringing it back into the mainstream.”

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  29. “Maui with my beloved wife Trudy, and we were visiting spending time with Ramdas, who for listeners that don't know was the author of this bestseller in the 60s called Be Here Now, and now he's 86. In a wheelchair. But Ramdas, who had been at Harvard University and was one of the early explorers of LSD before he went to India and became a spiritual teacher, In the living room while we were there two days ago, Roland Fisher, who is one of the senior professors in psychopharmacology at Johns Hopkins University Medical School.”

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  30. “To see, yes, birth and death, and to go through those kind of death rebirth experiences that can happen at times in a deep session with LSD or death of ego or sense of self or removing and realizing, wow, there's a freedom and a life force that's what we're made of. And that profoundly influenced my interest in spirituality and also interest in what the world can be. Now just a few days ago I was on”

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  31. “Remote area? It did, and I've written a little bit about it in a couple of different of my books, chapters in the books I've written, because Buddhist teachers and Hindu teachers of my generation also started with psychedelics, you know, myself and almost all my colleagues in the spiritual industry that I'm in. That was a beginning and for me it showed an incredible possibility that all is created out of consciousness and the possibilities of inner freedom. And basically I was able at the best of it to see my body and my personality and my history and realize that that's not who I am, to become much more the conscious witness of it all.”

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  32. “Know, and there were little detours like being in Haydashbury in the summer of love and things like that that definitely it changed my life also in a very deep way because for at least for a time there was a window when people were just giving things away. There was such a sense that the world could be transformed, some of it, as we know, very, very naive. But on the other hand, it also felt like a greater sense of brotherhood and sisterhood than I had ever known, except with my own brothers, who I love a lot. We've done a lot of things together. And I started to feel like there are other ways for me and for the world to be and live. And that was also very wonderful.”

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  33. “At the end of, yeah, when I was getting ready to graduate, there was still the draft. And I thought, well, I'm definitely not wanting to go over and kill people in a war that I've been protesting against. So I decided to go into the Peace Corps instead and ask them to send me to a Buddhist country where maybe I could find one of those old Zen masters that you read about and got assigned to Thailand. And when I got there, people, you could kind of request where you went. And I said, send me the most remote place you can. I want an adventure, but I also wanted a kind of reading all those old Zen stories, I wanted to see if that still existed.”

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  34. “And that really all of a sudden I sat up and said, there's an end to suffering. There's a way to do it. And he said, oh, there's all these teachings and practices where you can transform your heart and mind. And I became thrilled about it and realized that whatever impulse I had to go to medical school, probably part of it came from wanting to heal myself. And so I started to take more and more courses. And then it was the 60s and I became a card carrying hippie. card carrying LSD taking hippie as a matter of fact.”

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  35. “Well, you know, we all get turned in these mysterious ways in our life. We think we're going one direction and then something happens unexpectedly and a gateway opens. So I was coming from an organic chemistry class to the class that I'd signed up for out of interest on Asian studies, raising philosophy or something. And it was an old professor, Dr. Wing Sit Chan, who'd come up from Harvard. He was kind of emeritus there. And he even sat cross-legged sometimes, you know, in the front of the room and would talk about Lao Tzu and Taoism. And they talk about Buddhist teachings and how the Buddha taught suffering and its causes and its end.”

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  36. “I was pretty much angry in silence, and that's an interesting question. Yeah, in the monastery, the culture was not much that you would yell. You could go somewhere out in the forest and yell, but it wasn't decorous or something. People, what the hell's wrong with that monk? And it lasted. I had days of and actually much longer, weeks or months of waves of this coming, and learning how to be present for it and not get overwhelmed by it.”

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  37. “There's another way to be with it. And so that was the beginning of some healing, just to realize that I could actually tolerate the suffering and the energy that was in my still carried from trauma in my body.”

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  38. “Who had a hut near mine in the forest did something that annoyed me and I just got enraged inside. And I sat and I went to the teacher and I said, you know, I'm really getting angry here. And he smiled. He said, yeah, where do you think that comes from? Or something like that. And I said, well, I don't know. I said, I thought I was a peaceful guy. I was never going to be like my father. I won't, you know, be peaceful. But it turned out I just stuffed all that stuff. And so when I told it, my teacher about it, he said, good. She said, go back in your hut. It's the hot season. You get a little tin roof and close the doors and windows and put all your robes on. And if you're going to be angry, do it right. Sit in the middle of that, you know, and sit in the middle of the fire and don't be so afraid of it because if you're afraid of it, you're just going to keep stuffing it. And on the other hand, or if you're afraid of it, it'll just”

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  39. “Was sort of this mixed thing of the gift of being together with my brothers and a mom who was basically pretty nurturing, although she kept trying to leave him and never got it together. I think it was too scary in the 50s to have four boys, you know, no job. And so we were in the middle of this. And the kind of healing that it took, it took a long time to do the inner healing work from the pain of my family. And I remember when I became a Buddhist monk and I was sitting these first years with my teacher Ajan Chah in the forest monasteries of Thailand on the border of Thailand and Laos. And I've been sitting quietly. And then some of these memories or energy would come, or I remember one month.”

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  40. “It's probably 13, 14, and he grew pretty big and he was looking in the mirror, you know, making muscles in the mirror to see how strong he'd become. Anyway, he just got into a fist fight with my father. And I was both thrilled and terrified, but it worked in some way because the abuse settled down quite a lot after that. So that was his strategy was just to get angry and then later kind of to go his own way somewhat more, although we all have been very close as brothers. So there was that at the same time there was a lot of interest, intellectual interest. So we read and learned about all kinds of things. Both my parents were really interested in the world around us.”

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  41. “How to say it colored with the fear of his violence and his unpredictability. And I became kind of a peacemaker in the family. We all sort of had our roles and now I do it as a profession, right? Trying to kind of make it a little smoother between my parents. So they kill each other. And each of my brothers had their own strategy. My twin brother, who was a lot bigger and much more outgoing, played football, which I certainly didn't. I was skinnier. I was in the orchestra and he was the football player. But anyway, I remember when he first got in a fist fight with my dad because my father was abusing our mom and my twin brother had been as young men sometimes.”

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  42. “Or got fired every year or two, and then we would go from one place to another. I went to, I don't know, eight schools by the time I finished high school. So my childhood, partly it was, there were the happy things of rough housing and being a boy with three other boys. An adventures. And then in the basement, my father had all kinds of scientific equipment. He had all this stuff from World War II this huge radio from a battleship that you could tune into a thousand different shortwave stations around the world and projects he was trying to design stuff. And so we learned from him. You could pretty much take or design or do anything in the physical world. And at the same time, I felt like my whole childhood Was also”

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  43. “Biological interfaces, all kinds of creative stuff. But he was all, he had mental problems. And so we didn't know when the car pulled in whether we were going to get Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde. He would come in and either he could shout be abusive, throw my mother down the stairs, rant, chase after us, try to hit us, whatever, or we'd get this interesting creative person, but we hardly ever had people come over when he was around during the daytime. It was the way we would because he never knew what you would get. And so our family life, in my family life in some way was also, there were great parts of it because I had my brothers and we were like our own gang. We moved all the time. But we had each other. And because he was wacky as well as smart, my father either quit.”

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  44. “I had three brothers and my father was a mixture of a tyrant and a really abusive person and a brilliant guy. I was born on a marine base toward the end of World War II and they didn't send him overseas to do they put him in the medical part of the Marines because he tested so high on their tests that they, you know, okay, we're going to use them for something. So he was brilliant in certain ways. He was a biophysicist who helped design some of the first artificial hearts and lungs, worked on the space program, but also did other kinds of weird stuff like work for the Army biological weapons people not making biological weapons, but trying to design things that were kind of computer.”

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  45. “Well, first thing to say is I remember when I got to Dartmouth College in 1963 and I called my mom from the payphone in the dorm sometime in that fall. Didn't call very often, but you know how it is. And I said, mom, I said, guess what? There are a lot of other really fucked up families beside ours. So that's kind of where.”

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  46. “Probably in my late 20s and did some and then sort of put it aside. And then I was traveling and teaching in Europe. And I saw a sign for paragliding and I said, oh gosh, I really want to do it. And started, and now each time I go where there's high mountains and paragliding, that's one of my things that I love doing. You know, there's something about I've had, most people have these dreams once in a while if you're lucky, a dream of flying. Or maybe in your meditation you have this sense of not being limited to your body. And this is the closest thing that I know because it's absolutely silent. And you're floating there. It's quite fantastic.”

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  47. “Well, it started many years ago when I cross country with a friend who had a hang glider and we would stop periodically and go off different hills and it was fantastic and then I wanted to do paragliding and started to learn it now because everything is developed and paragliding is a lot more official. You need a license which I don't have. But one of my favorite things is to tandem paraglide and go off the top of places like Grindelwald in Switzerland where you can take the ski lift up to 9,000 feet and then jump off and float silently like you're a bird among the clouds, the birds actually do come by sometimes and like check out what's this big bird flying up here. You can catch thermals and Way up above the glaciers, and it's one of the most thrilling and delicious experiences that I know.”

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