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  1. Like, I don't even crying like this, I can't stop it. Like, they're not tears where I'm like, you know, when you can't not cry, like I'm not even trying to cry. It's just like it's here and it just comes up. Puts everything in perspective that All the things that we worry about, and all the things that we are concerned about. Nothing matters if someone just loses the like. You watch someone, I don't know if you knew Jamal, you did.

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  2. Yes. Yeah. I feel like my grief is here right now. It just comes up and it comes out my eyes, or it comes out in my songs. But it feels like it's. Has a place to As a place to live in my life now, which is why I probably feel so vulnerable at the moment because As I said to you, like, Losing Having a miscarriage and losing the baby, and then most recently losing Jamal Edward When you don't just have one person that you associate with grief, but you have a handful of people that Realize that no one else You have in your life gives you what they gave you You realize that you have to find that for yourself, like that's the. Hard Part of grief for me that I'm experiencing right now.

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  3. And it might be that. I might come full circle and go, you know what? I was wrong hair, joke. Took three years, but we're here. But I'll get there. You know, there's no right or wrong answers. I don't believe that anything we do in life is wrong or right. I just think we've got to want to make a decision and then we'll learn from either which way we went.

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  4. Music reflects where you're at, right? Or it should. And in that time, I think it was a very anxious, everyone kind of wanting to like falsify this like, we're good, right? We're okay. Like, we're okay, we're good, we're gonna be fine. And you can feel that in the music. Just feels a bit like too much, and I think that What I think people are craving more than ever right now is just real. And I was saying, I know what I'm good at. And I listened to it and go there's about five or six artists that I can imagine doing this. I want to make music people only know that I can do.

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  5. I mellowed a lot in the pandemic. I let go of a lot of things that I held on to as like clutches to kind of be able to do my job. Like I'm a very organized person. And I realized how much time I wasted on things that really didn't help me, like having a certain amount of this or being overly prepared. I'm a very overly prepared person. I cooked a lot And I wrote an album that's really good. I just don't know if I really love it I don't know who the audience is. When I listen to the songs, I don't see the people that are listening to it with me. And I have to be able to see that.

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  6. The pandemic was. Probably the worst and most beautiful thing that I think's happened to the world Because when else would we all have to stop? And not just stop and be like, oh, I'm going to keep going to work and just really take the weekend off. Like, stop. Like, not have our clutches of our hobbies, not have our clutches of our friends and family that we may see or visit or talk to. Go inwards and have no escape from it.

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  7. Most people in the industry would admit that they're not happy their agent or their management. There's always something else they could be doing. And like when you've voiced what you needed and it still doesn't change and then you voice it again and it still doesn't change and then you go, yeah, you know what? I actually think I'd enjoy this more if I didn't have. This, especially when you're making money off not doing much. I'd rather By myself for a second and it'd be a bit chaotic and me learn and like go right what do I need? What do I want?

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  8. Or they're not, you know? Thing is, I'm such a loyal person. If you look at everyone in my life, my production, my tour manager, my hair and makeup, 10 years deep. I love my people But I also need you to show me that you really understand how valuable I am, as I would to you. You know, like I can't. I know what is like dating. Managers is like dating. You know, and I do believe that like such an important role doesn't always just fall into your lap and it's right. And I honestly think that most artists will admit that they ain't happy with the management.

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  9. Deliver that all the time when I can deliver it and I do write songs like that now because I'm not ignoring the pain. So I'm writing about both. So they get both as opposed to me ignoring all the good, like ignoring all the bad stuff. So that manifests into everything. And then that's all I want to write about, you know. And so I just started to write the heroic queen and then I wrote someone's lady on the spot and then I wrote this and I wrote that and I kind of had this album. I was like, Now, okay, you know, When I went on that tour, I fired my managers during that tour. Fire and managers left, right, and centre. That's just become a hobby of mine.

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  10. And engineers are like, you want me to turn this off? And I was like, no, no, no, it's all right, keep it on. And I was like, can I just jump in the booth real quick? And I wrote this song called Zink about that, which became the first single off the rose album. And I remember Camper coming in going, I don't know who you think you are, but you can't stop writing songs. This is what you do And I think I'd realize that Really, up until that point. Lot of my successful music had been this kind of like everything's great Doesn't mean anything. And I was like, that's what people want. And I don't know how to.

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  11. We were in the studio, and he was like, Yo, man, I got some tracks. And I was like, no tracks, don't play me anything. I don't want to do this no more. He's like, come on, let me just play you something. And I was like, no, no, no. I'm good. Please don't. I was like anti. I just need to do this. Get the check, go home. Don't make me emotional. You know it's there. Don't pull out that part of me. Like I don't want to, I was trying to pretend that I was something different to what I was. And he played me this beat and he was like, I'm going to go smoke. I'll be back in five minutes. And I was literally, I was just sitting there and he played me this track and I was like. Sitting there, and the engineer was just like, I'm behind the engineer, and I just start typing on my laptop.

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  12. Yeah, 2016. And then I had to do this campaign because I needed money, honestly. Like I was like, I need to still make money to be famous. Like, you gotta still be protected, and I have to wean myself off of this lifestyle if I'm gonna not do this anymore. And I got offered to do a campaign with And I said, I'd love to do it. And they're like, we won an original song. And I was like, I don't want to do an original song. So if I do an original song, people think I'm bringing an album and it's a single and Barolan. I was like, I'll do a cover. So I met this guy called Camper.

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  13. Oh, yeah. Sat with my labels, like, dropped me, don't want to do this anymore. I can't do it. I'm emotionally exhausted. Didn't know how to just, I just didn't know how to write songs anymore. I was just like, what do I even want to sing about?

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  14. Obviously, I went for the first, my first kind of big just my first big breakup. It wasn't even that it was public, it was just like my first big breakup that people knew about, lost both my grandparents. I remember when I lost my granddad, I had to perform in Central Park right after. And I was really close to my granddad. He was a professional jazz drama. I traveled the world. We had the same heart problem, just, you know, just very much, he understood the industry and would always kind of give me advice. And just not being able to grieve and like all of those things and was just going to go, and I need to take a second to process my life. Like, I haven't stopped since everything took off. And then I went for a moment where I was like, I'm done with music, I'm out.

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  15. And it took me a long time to realize that You can't squeeze from the lemons. You've got to nurture the roots a little bit. You know what I mean? You can't just keep asking the lemons to grow and it's not been potted in the ground. And I just needed to be regrounded. I just was like, I wrote the whole first album. Second album I wrote pretty much the whole thing by a couple songs. The third album I wrote two songs. And when you listen to it, I wrote two acoustic songs, Getaway and you don't really know me. And everything else was burning up bang bang. Didn't write any of them. Loved them, but it wasn't where I was. And I was exhausted and I was like, just I'll sing whatever you want. And I was so grateful for the success of Masterpiece burning up bang bang in the US. But it was nowhere near where I was mentally and trying to match those two things was probably my most important thing that I could have done. So when that album ended,

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  16. 1.2 billion people watch the final, and I bit my tongue before I went out and sang Whitney because I was so stressed and it was just blood in my mouth.

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  17. Oh my God, what was going on? I did the voice. I wanted to kind of stay in the vibe. I did the China show China TV show, which is one of my favourite things I've ever done

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  18. What's going on in here and what's coming out and what people are seeing can be two very different things. And I'm not connecting those dots. For anybody really but myself, because it's only going to make me have a more of an enjoyable experience.

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  19. Or to go or to go on, you can do it. Stop, don't get in your head. I think that I can give off that I am. I'm grateful that. I can sing I'm grateful that I love to sing live. Like, I love that I've never mimed, and that's not who I am. I love that even if my voice is hoarse or whatever, I always put myself in the exposure firing line, right? What I love and hate about myself is that I can be put through the most ridiculous. Like throughout the day, I could literally be set on fire and I could probably still sing. And I hate that because it means that people go, she'll be fine, whatever the situation. And I think that's a big part of it is that I've trained myself to Be good in situations where I haven't had to let people think that they need to level up for me to deliver. Like that's what has to change.

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  20. I know that what I have is because I have it and I know what they have is because what they, you know, like I don't ever want to be anyone else. I don't want anyone else to ever be me, but no, comparison isn't the issue for me. It's frustration that I know I'm capable of doing the things that someone else might be doing in my own way. But I don't know how to invite myself into the room. And I'm like, and they're like, oh my God, you want to come in? Come in, but it isn't always me going, hi, can I come in? Because I don't know how to do that without feeling like an absolute dickhead. So I just kind of go Hope that someone might go, maybe Jesse J wants to come in

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  21. I don't think anyone in this room knows who I am, and I don't know why I'm here, and I'm so awkward, and I hate this, and what the hell am I doing? And I hate this gown I'm in, what am I doing here? Like, I have those moments all the time. And the perception and reality is such a weird experience to have of what you think people think of you and then what they do think of you. I don't look at other artists and go, God, I wish I was doing that. I go, I wish I was more sociable and more confident Work in a room or talking to people.

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  22. No, I look other eyes and go, man, I wish I was more confident. I wish I was more like, I see people work in a room and I'm so shy that I come across rude. When I'm in a room, a lot of people with a lot of people, I instantly go into that no one likes me, no one's going to get my sense of humour. Like I have so many insecurities that... I don't think I've even been consciously aware of until the last year since COVID and like taking a break and then coming back to it. And I'm like, oh my God.

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  23. Weird when you've had success, like. People always say to me, like, yeah, but you're Jessie Jane. I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? I haven't even been invited to the Brits since 2011. So, what does it mean? I'm Jesse J. What is my success to you? Because it's different to me, obviously. You know, and I think people go, and a lot of the time, especially other artists. They see that maybe you've had success in places that they haven't, or that you've got something that they haven't, they go, yeah, but why aren't you just content with that? Everybody's different with what they need to feel successful.

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  24. Like a lot of managers, like, when was the last time I went to see a show? At the end of the day, to me, when you're a musician and you're in the industry, I need a team of managers that are like in, they're at the party, they're not trying to get me an invite. They have to be there and like come in, you know what I mean? It's like... So I just think that. I don't know what it is, and I don't have the answers, and I don't know. I know what it is that I want. Sometimes I don't know how to say that until I'm experiencing that it's not what I want. And then I'm like, no. This isn't right, but I know that it is also me and I know that I have to be more vocal on what it is that I want and what it is that I deserve. And I just feel like I'm always taken for granted. And I just... I just want to sing and

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  25. Make music that makes everybody feel like they're welcome and make music that makes everyone feel accepted and seen and understood. I need my team to reflect that. And I got to do a better job. Making those decisions

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  26. And I've succeeded at being someone else, one honey 100% One honey pier, just before you're like. Like, I love to write songs, right? And I can sing, so I'll go in the studio and I can make music, but sometimes I'm like, I love this song, but I want to buy this album. I wouldn't put this on and listen to it. And I'm grateful that I know I've been accepted into so many different spaces in the industry like the musical theatre world and like the pot world, the R&B world, the soul world. Like I'm so, I love music and I grew up around a lot of music and I grew around up a lot around different cultures and races and walks of life and I'm so happy that that was my foundation and that's what I am. And I also need management to represent that. I don't want to walk into rooms that everyone looks the same. Know, I'm tired of it.

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  27. Convinced, or I'm always a little afraid to be a Divar to come across like I'm arrogant or this, that and the other, but like I know the best moments of my career point blank have been when I have followed my instincts, acted on my own heart. Like when I did the China TV show, everyone was like, why is she doing, why do you want to do a sing competition? I said, just, I just know this is what I need to do. You know, even the rose album, like, I know that the people that discovered that were who needed to discover it. And I just know the only thing in life that is important is to just not trust your instincts, but to act on them, be yourself and not be afraid to know that even if you're in a room full of people, that if you know that this is going to work, just don't be disheartened by everyone else's projection of their own fear that they can't.

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  28. I don't even know. I don't know. I know I look at other artists and go, I should be doing that. There's no reason that I shouldn't be there. I shouldn't be doing this. Or I know that the music that I make. Like, I've always said this metaphor with my career, right? Is I feel like if my career was a shop, I feel like I sell ladders outside, but roses on the inside. So I feel like What I put out there isn't always what I actually Cell that isn't actually always me that I feel like I'm

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  29. Like, I get told, and I'm so grateful, I get told all the time, you're one of the best things in the world. So that doesn't mean anything. Like, if you're not doing anything with it. You know, and I just want a team of people that represent me even when I'm not in the room, you know?

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  30. It's so funny because when someone goes, what are you looking for in a manager For me, it's just a feeling. It's someone that I'm such a hard worker, right? I'm very disciplined. I'm very professional. I can hand a lot of stuff by myself. And I think that exposes a lot of people to do one of two things go, she's good, or I need to work harder. And a lot of people go, she's good. And I just want someone that Can teach me About music can send me performances from Aretha that I've not seen or, hey, have you heard this new music or have you read this book? Or like, you know what? I was thinking it would be amazing if we did this. Like, okay, so you want to do this? I need. The drive, the passion, like people that I can relate to, like the way they see the world and feel the world.

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  31. I'm 34. I've been doing this a long time, but I also know that I've got so much more to do and I feel like I've barely scratched the surface. And I know in my heart, in my instinct, I don't just trust my instinct, I act on it. And it was a big, brave thing for me to do just to go, guys. I love you, but I know this ain't right. I'm moving on.

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  32. I guess maybe I'm talking about it right now because if someone that's meant to be for me in my life might see this. Because, you know, like I say all the time, like people go, what are you going to do now? Like if you've got a new manager lined up and I'm like, no, I didn't let them go because I've secretly been meeting people. Like that's not who I am. Like one thing for sure is I'm loyal and like I'm respectful. But like when your manager is like a, it's almost like a marriage. You know, you go into a contract and you hand over a very big, important part of your life. You can't look for a new husband while you're still married. It doesn't work like that. And I have no idea who the good managers are. No idea. And I don't know if I ever will.

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  33. No hard feelings, no great people amazing at what they do, just not right for me. And I know it's because there's something I'm doing wrong because I keep picking the wrong people. I know I need to look inwards and go, what am I doing wrong here? Is it because I know I know what I want and I don't really say it because I don't like to cause waves in the ocean? Of like a smooth sailing moment, but I also know what I want and know what I deserve, and it's taken me a long time to be confident in saying, like, I know I can really sing. I've just never had a team that really get it. Have the same passion as me Live for the moments and like taking risk and not being afraid and like

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  34. Manager, yeah, manager's assistant, no. Just a team That's where I'm at right now. Know, I just let go of my sixth manager two days ago. Yeah.

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  35. No, they've been great. They've been amazing. And even now, they're super supportive that first time I'm talking about it, that I had an album that was done, ready to go. I listened to it a couple months ago and was like, This ain't it. And then I went back in the studio three days ago to kind of start again. And maybe I'll use some of the old songs. Maybe I won't. Maybe I'll rework them. But there just was something not that wasn't right. And they're like, we support you. We love you. We got you. We understand you. I've been with them for almost 15 years. What I've struggled to find is an internal team. Like people that are immediately around me.

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  36. Not even. You know what? It's one thing I will say about my record label. You know, for as much as. You always have Your disagreements with anybody in power and anybody, you know, that you work for or work with or work under or work next to. But my record label of always supported me to the best of their ability and to the best that I understand, like the Rose album, the last album I put out was my favorite that I've ever put out. Was it the most successful? No. Was it the most authentic to who I was at the time? Yes. Did it have the biggest support from my label? No. Did that matter to me at the time? No, because I knew that the music was great. Yeah, it would have been great had they been More supportive, but It didn't again take away from the purpose of what that moment was for me personally

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  37. I was so stressed about what to wear and how to do, and it was so dumb. It's not even important, but it was moments like that when I was just like, God, I need to chill out. I'm not Jesse J right now, but I didn't know who I was. I literally had no clue what my favorite colour was or what food do I like to eat because I would just get given. This is what we've got. This is what you've got time to eat. For so long, it was so... Unhealthily fast. It was just everything was so speeded up. And I was like, what do I want to do? What are my hobbies? What do I like to do other than just sing and travel to sing? I don't know. And that's when I was like, okay, I need to take a second. And after that third album, I took like four years. Disappeared

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  38. And I think this is why I have so much empathy for younger artists. And I really care about how they're protected. And just young people in general, like protected from what the world is telling them they are, as opposed to them discovering themselves. Like I was a product of when I wake up. I'm working. Like, this is what you wear, this is what you do, this is how you act, this is what you say. And so, like, I didn't know how to switch off. Like, I would literally have to leave the house on a full face of makeup. And like, without... It was weird. It was like a trippy. I remember going on holiday with a couple of my girlfriends and we were going for dinner and like...

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  39. Yeah, for sure, when I wouldn't know what to wear, like I'd wear a catsuit and like... My bob wig to a family barbecue because I just didn't know how to tone it down. I was just on this hamster wheel of like and I just didn't know how to like, I didn't know who I was away from working, you know, so like one thing I realized now is that you are a product of your environment. You are a product of your environment. And I see that in my niece and my nephews, you know, like and all the young people I know and I watch my best friends and my close family members have children and I see how different their kids are because they are a reflection of their environment. But then they're like not streetwise and they kind of, you know, and all these things. And so like when I look at like how I was in those pivotal moments of my life

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  40. Not worrying about what the people think that are in the audience watching Jesse J. I need you to care about the girl backstage.

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  41. Also, the thing that they need to be focused on, and this is what I had to say to my friends and family, stop focusing on what the other people are saying. Focus on helping me be someone that can. Be within that Like, it doesn't matter what fucking. Donald from Manchester thinks about my outfit that I wore. What matters is that I still feel confident wearing those things after I may or may not have been forced to read those comments. Because that's the other thing. Like fan bases will sometimes shove that in your face going, can you believe this? And it's like, I don't want to see it. I don't want to read it. And sometimes you're like, you literally can't avoid it. So your closest friends and family, that was the biggest thing for me was making them understand. I need you to be there for just who's in the dressing room

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  42. Yeah, I think. I had to learn that. Talking to my loved ones I remember sending out a message to everybody going saying, unless I am in danger Or you don't think I've seen something that's really bad that's been put in the papers, I don't want to see it.

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  43. Some of it's great, but some of it's really weird. And I need you to hold my hand, and I'm a little scared, and now I don't know how to get on the train, when I never used to think about that, and now I have to rethink about it and I go, can I go on this central line on a Saturday at peak time? No. So how do I get to the wedding to go? My status is way higher than my money and I can't afford a driver, you know, and your mind is going, who do I talk to about this? Where do I go? And that's when I was 25, 26, and I shaved my hair and I did all of that, I was just like, what is happening? And who do I tell that will understand, you know? So, yeah

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  44. Bird's eye view, babes. Just The best piece of advice I was given from a therapist was perspective. Imagine the world, go above it, imagine yourself lying above it, and really look at what you're stressed about. Get outside, get some air Just get outside, go to a park, like take a walk, you know, and also be honest to your friends and your family about how you're feeling and allow them to be there for you. Because I think everyone was kind of, everybody was kind of swallowed up in, I mean, you've experienced it yourself recently, going from being able to do whatever you do and know unknown who you are to then everyone knowing who you are and then everyone around you doesn't instantly go, are you okay? They go, this is great. Isn't it amazing? Are you having so much fun and you don't feel like you can go, actually, no

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  45. I got so tired of justifying that I wasn't mean and I wasn't a divar that I was like let me just be what they say I am because that's what people think I am anyway and even when I am nice I remember going into a room and being like, hi everyone, and no one responding, and me going. Hi, and everyone's like this when you're like at that, it's weird, it's like a, and that was like, and I'm talking about that time when it was like peak kind of everywhere fame Saturday night Saturday night TV and It was just such a trippy experience. And me just was like, everyone hates me. No one likes me anymore. So I'm not going to try and be liked. It didn't last very long.

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  46. I just felt so alone. I felt like I was hovering above everybody in every room I was in. Like I wasn't able to just exist playing a game at a friend's house. I was always just like, is everyone thinking about what I'm saying and are going to repeat it? So Panicked all the time. That someone was going to misread what I was saying. If I was in a bad mood and I went to like a Fish and chip shop, and I was like, didn't want to take a picture They would then tell someone else and it would get to the Daily Mail Oh, all the time Jesse Jemmy. I mean, there were times where Then would almost, I remember for a little while, for a couple months, I became what the press told me I was.

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  47. You don't go to like, and I get that even me talking about it now, like I'm conscious that the people watching this going, all right, you fucking asked to be famous, get over it. There's no space to feel like, you know what? There's parts of it that are amazing, but there are parts of it that are so toxic and unhealthy and so inhumane. And no one has a lot of space to be like to have any empathy for that. And that, and I'm not talking about all the time, I'm just talking about that moment in my life. I just felt like I had no one I could talk to that had experienced it to guide me to go, you're okay, you're safe. Like no one's going to hurt you, you know.

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  48. I was just like, how do I live unconsciously now? How do I go to the beach without feeling like I mean, my underwear in front of someone hiding in the bush is taking pictures. How do I do that? You know, and I still don't know sometimes, even now. And so I just, I felt like I couldn't. I felt like I had to relearn how to do life. I was comfortable going in front of 100,000 people and singing a song. No problem. But going to perpetually in my car? I literally was like, I don't even know how to do it. I would drop the thing. Like I wouldn't be able to lock the thing on the car because I would feel like someone was watching me. And it just destroyed me. And I remember just I wouldn't leave my hotel room. I went out and bought like 50 hats. And even though it probably wasn't as bad as that.

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  49. I just felt like I couldn't breathe. I felt like everywhere I went, someone was watching me. I felt like I couldn't eat in public because someone would film me and comment on it, comment on what I was wearing, comment on my body, comment on, I just, it always felt like I was being followed. That was the biggest thing where my anxiety came from. And someone telling me or giving me something that I would then have to focus on that I'd never saw, like that I have a big jaw, that I have like this or I have cellulite or I have that, like where I would never even, it wasn't a thing. And then someone would go, have you ever noticed that she says like or like a lot? And then I'd be like conscious of the way I spoke. And, you know, like when you first get somebody commentating on everything you do and are,

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  50. Know, like, or just come up to me with a camera phone or whatever, and I just needed that. I was still quite young. And, you know, and I miss staring at people and getting away with it. You know what I mean? Just like watching people eat or staring at someone in the car next to you and knowing they're not going to look over and be like. Know, and so I remember coming here and just having that, and then I didn't have that as much anymore here. And I just felt really trapped, really trapped. Was the lowest point that I've had in myself in this industry was 2014, 15, 16 when I was back and forth from Australia and in that time. That's when I moved here. 2015

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