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  1. Great. Just that statement, I feel scared starts to shift the process because we've accessed a different part of the brain that isn't the amygdala, that isn't in that fight-flight freeze reactivity, that is the one who interprets and puts it into language. So if you say that out loud or just say to yourself, I feel scared is the first step. The second step, and this is where it gets really good, is you have to understand what is a feeling. Such a good question. And we could riff on this for days, but basically a feeling is a set of vibrations or sensations inner on the body. Usually combined with a thought. So there's a thought and there's a feeling, what we often call the cognitive emotive loop. But a feeling is a set of sensations in and on the body. That's what it primarily is. So the second question

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  2. You, what are you feeling? I want you to say, I feel, and then answer it with one of these words. Now, there were a lot of words, so that's why I say, what if it's just sad, angry, scared? Now, anger can be a big range. It can be a little bit irritated, a little bit agitated, frustrated all the way over to anger, to rageful. Fear can be a little bit apprehensive, a little bit nervous all the way over to fear or terror. We're just going to call everything on the continuum fear. And sadness can be a little down, a little blue, a little melancholy to sadness, to broken-hearted grief. For the sake of learning, we're just going to make it simple. Sad, scared, angry. So again, if we back up, I say take a breath. Everybody takes a breath, and then I say, in this moment, what are you feeling? And if you check, you go like. I feel scared.

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  3. Anytime you say the word I feel followed by the word that, it's not going to be a feeling. It's going to be a thought. And I thought, I was in the midst of graduate school. I thought, I have never heard that before. So he asked me again. And again, I answered it with some sort of thought. So I'll never forget. He turns around his chair, grabs a book off the shelf. To this day, remember the title of the book. He opened the book, handed it to me. It was like page 73. And on it was a list of feelings. This is how unemotionally literate I was. By the way, you know, I was a meaningful athlete. I cared a lot about sports. I never had a high school football coach say to me, Jim, what are you feeling right now? I mean, feelings were at that point meant to be irrelevant. It was just performance. Feelings were just a distraction to performance. By the way, some people still relate to them that way, and I think that's a dangerous position. So he hands me the book and he says, now, anytime I ask.

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  4. Before you can be emotionally intelligent, EQ, you have to be emotionally literate. And emotional literacy means that at any moment you can pause and ask yourself, what feeling is here now and have an answer? I learned this when I first got married to my first wife. We were maybe a year into our relationship and started to have conflict. So we went to marriage therapy. And we're sitting in the office. I'll never forget this. And the therapist at one point says to me, Jim, what are you feeling? And I said a number of statements. I think the first one was, I feel like she's wrong. And then it basically some version of I feel like she's got her head up her ass was basically, and I'll never forget the therapist saying those aren't feelings. Those are thoughts.

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  5. Now, to help people answer that question, we like to give them a short list of possible feelings because it makes answering very simple. So again, I learned from Gay and Katie, the five core feelings, sad, angry, scared, joy, and creative sexual feelings. Let's just go with those as the five core. We could also talk about shame or guilt, things like that. But if you just go with the core five, and then in this day and age, I like to simplify it down to the core three. Sad, angry, scared. So I like to say to people, before you can get emotionally intelligent, you have to be emotionally literate, which is just the ability to pause and ask yourself, what am I feeling and have an answer?

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  6. Okay, great. I'll do it as though someone is sitting here with me. I would say just begin by taking a deep breath so you kind of get here, just one deep breath. It doesn't have to be a lot. And then I would simply ask the question what feeling is here now?

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  7. How to be with them, especially heightened or activated feelings. So again, Katie and others have come up with wonderful technologies for how to be with feelings. So if you're, again, getting a download of information from whatever source you're getting it, and fear shows up, they taught us, again, an incredibly simple way to be with feelings that keeps you vital and alive and available without being contracted in the feeling. So that would be another very meaningful tool that they brought to our lives.

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  8. Yeah, it's beautiful. Can I give you a second way that the Hendrix, what I learned from Gay and Katie? Yes, please. transformational in the midst of what we're all going through. It was from Gay and Katie that I first learned how to be with feelings states in a way that was productive, helpful, in a way that allowed me to not repress or suppress or express in nonproductive, non-effective ways. And in the midst of what we're going through now, I think a lot of what's going on is people's feeling states are greatly activated. So there's a lot of fear. There's a lot of anger. There's a lot of sadness, three core emotions. And generally speaking, we don't know how to be with feelings in a way that allows them to do what feelings are meant to do. We're hardwired to have feelings as mammals. And most of us don't know.

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  9. Good. So, right now, if I'm doing a breathing exercise, I focus at the top of my upper limb, the little triangle at the bottom of my nose and the top of my upper lip, where I can, one of the reasons I focus there is it really invites my concentration. I can feel my chest rise and expand. But if I'm going to feel cool air coming in and warm air going out and I'm going to feel it on my upper lip, that requires a level of concentration, which I like. Because it takes me away from my cataclysmic thoughts.

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  10. Deepening the inhale and the exhale, breathing into the belly, put your hand on your belly at the belt line and see if you can move the breath, move the hand with the breath and bring in your attention to it is an instantaneous way to de-stress in the moment. That makes sense?

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  11. Yeah, so beautiful. Well, the first thing I want to say to create the shift move, it doesn't really matter how you focus on the breath. Now, what I mean by that is you could simply say, where do I feel the breath in the body? So let's say you feel the chest expanding and contracting, or you feel the belly rising and falling, or you feel the breath at the tip of the nostrils or the back of the throat. You can feel it all the way through and all the way back out. For this exercise, the key is that you've moved your attention from the worrying mind to the breath. It's the movement of attention. So I just say to people, where do you most feel the breath in the body? Go there and leave your attention there for just 30 seconds and when it wanders, just bring it back. The combination of

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  12. You look at social media, you look at the news. Most of us are living in a constantly activated state right now. So if we're willing, and sometimes we're not, we get addicted to the chemicals of this heightened state. But if we're willing to shift, then breathing is the first shift move, four, four by four breaths, 32 seconds. With your attention on your breath. So you don't do this while thinking about the virus or while thinking about the food you need in your house or while thinking about your child going to the hospital to get an x-ray. You bring your attention to the breath and it equilibrates the system. Now, there are many, many other breathing techniques, but that would be a huge one.

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  13. Well, absolutely. So the first, let's start very basically here. And you know this and many of the people who listen to this know this, but we cannot be reminded enough. Begin with breathing. And specifically conscious breathing. And one of the techniques Gay taught us was what he called a simple four by four breath. Now, it's turned into box breathing and things like that, but it simply breathe with a four second inhale and a four second exhale. Breathe into the belly and bring your attention to the breath so you feel the breath going in, going down, the pause in between the inhale and the exhale, and then you feel it going back out to the pause. And what it does, and everybody knows this is it changes your blood and brain chemistry. Because when we're activated.

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  14. But what I have taken and continue to take from them and smuggle and transport out to the world is legion in these regards.

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  15. Toxic energy of blame and criticism. So it's been years since we had a drama based fight, and we no longer blame and criticize. And I thought, you gotta be kidding me. That was the preposterous claim. And then they said, and there are a couple of simple tools. So that met my next criteria. Preposterous claim, simple tool. And as I got, Debbie and I ended up apprenticing with them. They're just as authentic and real. And I had my sniff test out for years. Are they manufactured? I couldn't find it. So Debbie and I dove into the simple tools in terms of our relationship. I'd say it's one of the primary reasons we have what I would call an exquisite relationship to this day. So Gay and Katie are experts at world-class relationships, breathing no small thing in this day and age, by the way, breathing, embodiment, living in your body, and living, discovering and living in your zone of genius. Now they do a lot of other stuff.

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  16. Phrases that they taught me were zone of genius. I love that phrase. They're expert in this idea of helping people live and work and be from their zone of genius. But one of their zones of genius is human relationships. At all levels, but especially intimate relationships. I'll never forget, Deb and I were at a workshop in Ohio, California. And in the first few hours, gay makes this preposterous statement. It's been Like I think he said 15 years since Katie and I had a drama-based fight. Now, that doesn't mean they don't have healthy conflict. If people know these two, they are not drinking wallflowers. They are powerful, alive, vital, co-creative people. But they had removed from their relationship the tie.

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  17. Yeah, thank you. So let's talk about gay Hendricks and his wife, Katie. So Gay and Katie Hendrix, I found my way to Gay shortly after Debbie and I got together. So Debbie and I had been together for about 25 years. We just saw our 20th anniversary. We've known each other since we were 15, but we were married to other people and then found our way back to each other. And just after a short period of time being married, Debbie said, hey, I'd like to go to one of these Gay and Katie Hendrix workshops. And we read one of their books, a book I recommend countlessly to people called Conscious Loving. And so we went to one of their work. And I sat now this, now we'll go back to the same thing. So I sat in the room with Gay and Katie. And here was one of their big claims, one of their...

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  18. And then it's can we trust that something else is going to emerge which will be equally, if not even more motivational and leave less of a toxic residue personally and relationally? So I just want to say that before I talk about gay, if that

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  19. And I think that is a really important question for people to explore and discuss. And in my experience, other forms of motivation come online, like creativity, like playfulness, like love. There's a whole set of motivations that are actually incredibly powerful and don't leave much of a toxic residue like fear or guilt or shame does. But there is sometimes a gap. So when I'm talking to people and I say, now listen, if you're going to start to do some of these things and unwind some of your core motivations, we're going to need to anticipate that there might be a period where you're going to be in no man's land and you're going to go, holy shit, I've lost my mojo.

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  20. Dealing with that. One of the things that they're going to face is if I'm not motivated, either consciously or unconsciously by the things that have motivated me, whether it's fear or extrinsical reward or things like that, what am I going to be motivated by?

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  21. Beautiful. If it's okay, I just want to go back and grab one thread for a moment about complacency. One of the things I've observed in myself and then others that I talk to is that actually when Somebody starts to do something like meditation or the work by Byron Caty or these other modalities. There is often, not always, but often a period where something that looks like complacency does emerge. And I think there are many reasons for that. But one of them is that a lot, not all, but a lot of high performers are motivated by some sort of fear at the core of their being and that motivation has served them very, very well, the fear of a loss of approval or control or security, like a primal instinctual thing. And a lot of the most achievement-oriented successful people have a large engine of fear sitting in there. So when you start...

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  22. Actual effects of not being fully present. It's an escape move. But people who are fully present are everything but complacent. They have all energy available and at rest for action that needs to be taken. That's a big statement. But does that get a little bit at what you're pointing at Tim

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  23. demotivated kind of way it actually frees me to be totally available to what are the possibilities that I wouldn't otherwise see because of the contraction and constraint of my activated thinking that is the exact purpose so after I did the work I called my daughter and first and foremost was able to be present with her and then I'm living in what is it that wants to happen here and you know in just chatting with you a few minutes before we even started you had a couple of ideas that came and became possibilities that weren't possibilities before so it isn't to be naive it isn't to be complacent in fact i find that people who are more present are less complacent complacency is Of

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  24. When people use it as I like the term like a spiritual bypass, I mean, the reality is that at least when the morning started, my daughter is going to go to the hospital and get an x-ray. That's the plan. That's really happening. At least it appears to be happening. We'll see because she hasn't gone yet. from this activated place or in our language we use the simple term from below the line triggered reactive contracted in threat and fear there's a limited amount of capacity for decision making for innovation for problem solving so katie's work to your point down regulates it doesn't allow me to bypass reality and just kind of sit in a disengaged

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  25. Just the ability to be here now in a non-triggered, non-reactive way so that I can think better, relate better, and have better intuitive information. So be here now in a non-triggered, non-reactive way so that I can have better IQ, think better EQ, emotional intelligence, and BQ, body intelligence, better instinctual intuitive knowledge.

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  26. Yeah, great. So let me start up like at the highest level, and then I want to come down to the incredibly practical level of my experience. So at the highest level, I think what Katie is called is going at is the possibility of freedom, the possibility of truly being free from being trapped in and suffering at the effect of the perseveration of the mind and all the suffering that comes there. So now if you drop down a level, yes, one of the outcomes is down regulating the system. So what we're looking at here is doing a practice like this allows me to become present, fully present. So there are so many definitions of consciousness, so many wonderful ones. We use a very practical one.

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  27. So that would be an example with Byron Catie. So, in my mind, she is a transmitter of liberation and freedom with an unbelievably simple way to get at it. Now, simple and profound in that, you know, it's not like so many of these things, it's simple and transformationally profound if you do the work. Like she says all the time, you know, you work the work till the work works you. So I started with Byron Caty years ago and

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  28. I think the thought she shouldn't be going to the hospital. Then I ask, is it true? And I meditate on that. I let the answers come to me. Then can I know for certain it's true? Then, this next question If I couldn't think that thought, how would I be? What arises fairly quickly is peaceful, present, available to her, available to really see her and talk to her. So, and when I think the thought, how do I react? Well, I get scared, contracted, I start trying to control the world. So again, the technology is so simple, it can be written on a card and practiced.

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  29. So you take a stressful thought, you write it down, and then you remember a circumstance where that thought was at play. So I'll give one today would be an example before we connected. I was out for my morning walk. And I had a stressful thought arising around one of our kids, my daughter, is today scheduled to go to Northwestern Hospital in Chicago to get an x-ray. She had spinal fusion surgery, and she's going in to get an x-ray. So she can talk to her specialist about whether the surgery worked. I started stressing myself around the thought she shouldn't be going to the hospital to have an x-ray. And I could feel myself, you know, my nervous system was getting activated and I could feel it in my body. So then it's an opportunity for me to simply do the meditation.

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  30. Said are just four simple questions. You take any thought, you begin with disturbing or stressful thoughts. And in this period that we're in now, most of our minds are filled with disturbing and stressful thoughts. And the first thing you do is you write the thought down. You just write it down. And then you ask it four questions. Is it true? Can I know for certain it's true? When I believe the thought, how do I react? And who would I be without the thought? And one thing that I learned early and that I say to people who are embarking on doing any work around the work, as Katie calls it, is that it's not an intellectual exercise. You don't just ask those questions to your mind and real quick answers. It's much, much more like a meditation.

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  31. Then the next thing that's sure about everybody that I go after is I am drawn to people who are authentic, real, transparent. I've got a pretty quick hypocrisy sniffer, largely because I've spent time in my life being hypocritical. And so I have dealt with all of that and I can smell it in other places. And then the last thing I do is once I find somebody I dive in. So I find their model and I dive in and we could pick different people throughout our talk. But Byron Katie would be a great example. So I read her books. I listen to her on tape, on her books on tape, and then I go to her website, I digest it, and then literally I turn it into a practice. So Katie is famous for what is called inquiry. And inquiry, as we

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  32. Like in Byron Cady's case, she states that suffering is optional. Now, I think she would understand what the Buddhists have said. Suffering is natural and normal. It's the water in which we swim. And then suffering is optional. So I'm drawn to a big claim. All of my teachers and mentors make a big claim. The next thing I'm drawn to is an incredibly simple process. A lot of people make big claims, but then you get involved. process of accessing the claim is so damn complicated that I get lost. So we can look at biocadia just a minute, but in the midst of the incredible...

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  33. Okay, beautiful. If it's okay, I want to do it in reverse order. Let me. Tell you how I identified her, then tell you my experience of her, and then what I've taken from it. So again, I'm 66 and I started this quest of seeking when I was like 15. And along the way, I found these master teachers like Byron Cady. And when I look back, if I were to deconstruct the pattern, what has happened is I find people who are aligned with my personal need go back to pain in the center of my chest, depression, existential angst, or loneliness. So I'm pretty good at refining my search down to people who are going to speak to and address those needs. Then the second thing that's true, and this has been true all of my life, I get drawn to people who make a big claim. They state something that Annette's face seems too good to be true.

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  34. A lot of the people who I've worked with over the years wouldn't go there and explore. So I go out and find these modalities, these technologies of transformation. And then I'm pretty good at translating them into language that an end user would find viable and credible. So I smuggle these things into populations who wouldn't otherwise necessarily go looking. So that's a little bit about me that maybe we could find some points of contact.

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  35. Of an existential angst, mild depression, and loneliness drove me. Now, on the outside, I was normally put together person and, you know, succeeded and achieved and did all that stuff. But underneath, I was a seeker. And it drove me to find relief, quite frankly, for which I'm incredibly, incredibly grateful. And then the second thing you'd know about me is when I find cool stuff, I pass it on. So I say all the time, I don't think I've ever had an original thought. There's nothing original in our book, on our website, anyplace, maybe once in a while I accidentally put something together, but it would be accidental. Most everything that I have found, I found from somebody else. And I love to pass it on. And the last thing you'd learn is I'm a smuggler. So a lot of the places I've gone and explored.

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  36. Yeah, happily. So probably the way I would describe it, and this will be germane to a lot of what we talk about, is that from the time I was a little kid, I have been a seeker. Largely driven at first by a literal physical ache in the center of my chest, probably if I would have been clinically diagnosed, I was probably subclinically depressed much of my life. So there was like a yearning, a longing. And that drove me to seek out some of the best teachers and greatest modalities for giving somebody some peace all of my life. I was seeking peace or happiness or equanimity. And then the second thing you would know about me is that based on my family of origin and some of the craziness that went on there, I've always been interested in relationships. Again, largely trying to resolve the loneliness that I felt. So those two things kind of

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