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Joscha Bach

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first: 2020-06-13
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“It's this idea that you try to approximate when you interact with others, not based on your incentives, but on what you think is right.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Identical again with the creator of a first cause or with a thing that gives meaning to our life is confusion. No, I think that what we perceive is the higher being that we are part of the higher being that we are part of is the civilization. It's the thing in which we have a similar relationship as the cell has to our body. And we have this prior because we have evolved to organize in these structures. Basically, the Christian God in its natural form, without the mythology, if you undress it, is basically the Platonic form of civilization.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This equation of a creator god with the god of meaning is a slate of hand. You shouldn't do it. The other one that is done in Catholicism is the equation of the first mover, the prime mover of Aristotle, which is basically automaton that runs the universe. Aristotle says if things are moving and things seem to be moving here, something must move them, right? If something moves them, something must move the thing that is moving it. So there must be a prime mover. This idea to say that this prime mover is a supernatural being is complete nonsense, right? It's an automaton in the simplest case. So we have to explain the enormity that this automaton exists at all. But again, we don't have any possibility to infer anything about its properties except that it's able to produce change and information. So there needs to be some kind of computational principle. This is all there is. But to say this automaton is”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If there was some big nerd who set up a server and runs this world on it, this would not create a special relationship between us and the nerd. This nerd would not have the magical power to give meaning to our existence, right?”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I think when you'll read it, there is light and darkness that is being created. And then you discover sky and ground. You create them. You construct the plants and the animals and you give everything their names and so on. That's basically cognitive development. It's a sequence of steps that every mind has to go through when it makes sense of the world. And when you have children, you can see how initially they distinguish light and darkness. And then they make out directions in it and they discover sky and ground and they discover the plants and the animals and they give everything their name. And it's a creative process that happens in every mind because it's not given, right? Your mind has to invent these structures to make sense of the patterns on your retina.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Genesis is the childhood memories of a god. It's basically a mind that is remembering how it came into being. And we typically interpret Genesis as the creation of a physical universe by a supernatural being.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think that God has anything to do with creation. I think it's a mistranslation of the Talmud into the Catholic mythology. I think that Genesis is actually the childhood memories of a God. So when...”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because it could. And now it builds a von Duen probe. And the best von Neumann probe is such a thing might be the cell. So maybe it will, because it's very, very clever and very enduring, create cells and sends them out. And one of them has infected our planet. I'm not suggesting that this is the case, but it would be compatible with the princepermium hypothesis. And with my intuition that Rbiogenesis is very unlikely. It's possible, but you probably need to roll the cosmic dice very often, maybe more often than there are planetary surfaces. I don't know.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Let's consider something really wild. Imagine. Is it possible that a gas giant could become intelligent? But would that involve? So imagine you have vortices that spontaneously emerge on the gas giants, like big storm systems that endure for thousands of years. And some of these storm systems produce electromagnetic fields because some of the clouds are ferromagnetic or something. And as a result, they can change how certain clouds react rather than other clouds and thereby produce some self-stabilizing patterns that eventually lead to regulation feedback loops, nested feedback loops, and control. So imagine you have such this thing that basically has emergent self-sustaining self-organizing complexity. And at some point, this fakes up and realizes and basically lambs Solaris. I am a thinking planet, but I will not replicate because I cannot recreate the conditions of my own existence somewhere else. I'm just basically an intelligence that has spontaneously formed.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If there was no spontaneous biogenesis in the sense that the first cell formed by some happy random accidents where the molecules just happened to be in the right consolidation to each other.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Self organizing principle that works on a somewhat chaotic environment and the purpose of life in the sense is to produce complexity. And the complexity allows you to harvest neg entropy gradients that you couldn't harvest without the complexity. And in this sense, Under conditions of complexity. So basically you shift the boundary between the ordered systems into the realm of chaos. You build bridge sets into chaos with complexity. And this is what we are doing. This is not necessarily a deeper meaning. I think the meaning that we have prior for that were outside of the priors, there is no meaning, meaning only exists if a mind projects it, right? Yeah. That is probably civilization. I think that. What feels most meaningful to me is to try to build and maintain a sustainable civilization.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The cell is able to do something that James Hardy calls existential design. He points out that in technical design, we go from the outside in, we work in a highly controlled environment in which everything is deterministic, like our computers or our labs or our engineering workshops. And then we use this determinism to implement a particular kind of function that we dream up and that seamlessly interfaces with all the other deterministic functions that we already have in our world. So it's basically from the outside in. And biological systems design from the inside out is seed will become a seedling by taking some of the relatively unorganized matter around it and turn it into its own structure and thereby subdue the environment and cells can cooperate if they can rely on other cells having a similar organization that is already compatible. But unless that's there, the cell needs to divide to create that structure by itself.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Are just an expression of the cell, the certain layer of complexity in the organization of cells. So, in a way, it's tempting to think of the cell as a von Neumann probe. If you want to build intelligence on other planets, the best way to do this is to infect them with cells And wait for long enough and there's a reasonable chance the stuff is going to evolve into an information processing principle that is general enough to become sentient.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that if you look at the meaning of life, you look at what the cell is. Life is the cell Yes, or this principle, the cell. It's this self-organizing thing that can participate in evolution. In order to make it work, it's a molecular machine. It needs a self-replicator, a neck entropy extractor, and a Turing machine. If any of these parts is missing, you don't have a cell and it is not living, right? And life is basically the emergent complexity over that principle. Once you have this intelligent super molecule, the cell, there is very little that you cannot make it do. It's probably the optimal compute for Nome. especially in terms of resilience. It's very hard to sterilize a planet once it's infected with life.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because they saw it before that their unhappiness was the result of not being happy enough. So they fixed this, right? They can release the neurotransmitters at will if they train. And then the crisis of meaning pops up at a deeper layer. And the question is, why do I live? How can I make a sustainable civilization that is meaningful to me? How can I insert myself into this? And this was the problem that you couldn't solve in the first place.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, but the happiness is a cookie that your brain bakes for itself. It's not made by the environment. The environment cannot make you happy. It's your appraisal of the environment that makes you happy. And if you can change the appraisal of the environment, which you can learn to, then you can create arbitrary states of happiness. And some meditators fall into this trap. So they discover the room, this basement room in their brain where the cookies are made, and they indulge in stuff themselves. And after a few months, it gets really old and the big crisis of meaning comes.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But happiness itself is not important. Happiness is like a cookie. When you are a child, you think cookies are very important and you want to have all the cookies in the world and you look forward to being an adult because then you have as many cookies as you want, right? But as an adult, you realize a cookie is a tool. It's a tool to make you eat vegetables. And once you eat your vegetables anyway, you stop eating cookies for the most part because otherwise you will get diabetes and will not be around for your kids.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Suffering is the result of caring about things that you cannot change. And if you are able to change what you care about to those things that you can change, you will not suffer.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My own problem is with this, of course, that I read Oscar Wilde before I read the other things. So I'm indoctrinated, inoculated with this romanticism. And I think that the mermaid is right. You sacrifice your life for romantic love. That's what you do. Because if you are confronted with either serving the machine and doing the obviously right thing under the economic and social and all other human incentives, that's wrong. You should follow your heart.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you know the end resonance story, right? In the Anderson story, the mermaid is playing with the sprints that she saves and she falls in love with him and she cannot live out there. So she is giving up her voice and her tale for a human-like appearance so she can walk among the humans. But this guy does not recognize that she is the one that she would marry. Instead, he marries somebody who has a kingdom and an economical and political relationships to his own kingdom and so on as he should”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You will die. And eventually, after a few years, he falls in love with some princess and marries her, and she shows up and quietly goes into his chamber and nobody is able to stop her or willing to do so because she is fierce. And she comes quietly and sad out of his chamber. And they ask her, what has happened? What did you do? And she said, I kissed him to death.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then you tell her the original story, which is not the one by Anderson, which is the romantic one. And there's a much darker one. So, Undin is a mermaid or a water woman. She lives on ground of a river and she meets this prince and they fall in love. And the prince really, really wants to be with her. And she says, okay. But the deal is you cannot have any other woman. If you marry somebody else, even though you cannot be with me, because obviously you cannot breathe underwater and have other things to do than managing your kingdom with you up here.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Interesting thing when you raise children in the US and you in some sense preserve the identity of the intellectual and cultural traditions that are embedded in your own families. Your daughter asks you about Arielle the mermaid. And asked you why is Aria not allowed to play with the humans? And you tell her the truth. She's a sire Sirens eat people. You don't play with your food. It does not end well.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are moments of beauty, but these moments of beauty are inextricably linked to the reality of suffering. And to not acknowledge the reality of suffering means that you are really stupid and unaware of the fact that basically every conscious being spends most of the time suffering.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's a deeper aspect to this. It's also how we construct meaning in the US. Usually you focus on the positive aspects and you just suppress the negative aspects. And in our Eastern European traditions, we emphasize the fact that if you hold something above the waterline, you also need to put something below the waterline because existence by itself is as best neutral”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And for Russians? Everything below the top 10% is terrible. Then everything except the top percent is I don't like it and the top percent is even so.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, there was a diagram where somebody gave the appraisals that exist in US and Russia. So you have your black curve. The lower 10% in the US? It's a good start. Everything above the lowest 10% is amazing.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And if you saw positive effect without a good reason in Russia, people will think you are a stupid, unsophisticated person.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Understand this because it's intrusive to interact with others this way, and basically Eastern European society have a taboo against that, and especially Russia. The further you go to the east. And in the US, it's the opposite. You're expected to be hyper animated in your face. And you're also expected to show positive effect.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When you were at the funeral, everybody expects you to make a soul and face. But the Solen face doesn't express whether you're sad or not. It just expresses that you understand what face you have to make at a funeral. Nobody should know that you are triumphant. So when you try to read the emotion of another person, you try to look at the delta between a truly sad expression and the things that are mating this face behind the curtain.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So on. That's part of the communication probably evolved as part of an adversarial communication. So, as soon as you started to observe the facial expression and posture of others to understand what emotional state they are in, others started to use this as signaling and also to subvert your model of their emotional state. So we now look at the inflections, at the difference between the standard phase that they're going to make in this situation.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's very intuitive to encode it like this. That's why it's encoded. But it's encoded. It's encoded. It's a code. It's a code in which the non-symbolic parts of your mind talk to the symbolic ones.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your body map is the space that is always instantiated and always available, so it's a very obvious cheat if you are non-symbolic parts of your brain try to talk to your symbolic parts of your brain to map the feelings into the body map. And then you perceive them as pleasant and unpleasant, depending on whether the appraisal has a negative or positive valence. And then you have different features of them that give you more knowledge about the nature of what you're feeling. So for instance, when you feel connected to other people, you typically feel this in your chest region around the heart. And you feel this is an expansive feeling in which you're reaching out, right?”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Course, so the experience of emotion is a feeling. And in this sense, what you feel is an appraisal that your perceptual system has made of the situation at hand. And it makes this based on your motivation And on the UR estimates, not your, but of the subconscious geometric parts of your mind, that assess the situation in the world with something like a neural network. And this neural network is making itself known to the symbolic parts of your mind, to your conscious attention, via mapping them as features into a space. So what you will feel about your emotion is a projection usually into your body map. You might feel anxiety in your solar plexus, and you might feel it as a contraction. which is all geometry, right?”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But so you act on expectations what will give you pleasure and pain, and these are your purposes. The needs don't form a hierarchy, they just coexist and compete, and your organism has to find a dynamic homeostasis between them. But the purposes need to be consistent. So you basically can create a story for your life and make plans. And so we organize them all into hierarchies, and there is not a unique solution for this. Some people eat to make art and other people make art to eat. End up doing the same things, but they cooperate in very different ways because their ultimate goals are different and we cooperate based on shared purpose. Everything else that is not cooperation on shared purpose is transactional.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's several things. So, psychologists often distinguish between emotion and feeling and in common day parlance we don't. I think that in emotion is a configuration of the cognitive system. That's especially true for the lowest level, for the affective state. So when you have an affect, it's the configuration of certain modulation parameters, like arousal valence, your attentional focus, whether it's wide or narrow, interreception or extra reception and so on. And all these parameters together put you in a certain way you relate to the environment and to yourself. And this is in some sense an emotional configuration. In the more narrow sense, an emotion is an affective state that has an object. And the relevance of that object is given by motivation. And motivation is a bunch of needs that are associated with rewards, things that give you pleasure and pain. And you don't actually act on your needs. You act on models of your needs. Because when the pleasure and pain manifest, it's too late. You've done everything.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And this platform emerges over the current needs and possibilities in the trajectory that we have. So given the present state, there are only so many options on how we can move into the next state without completely disrupting everything. And we mostly agree that it's a bad idea to disrupt everything because it will endanger our footstep life for a while and the entire infrastructure and fabric of society. So we do try to find natural transitions. And there are not that many natural transitions available at any given point.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Suspect that we can find a way back to AI by thinking about the way in which our brain has to organize itself. In some sense, our brain is a society of neurons. Our mind is a society of behaviors. Need to be organizing themselves into a structure that implements regulation. And government is social regulation. We often see government as the manifestation of power local interest, but it's actually a platform for negotiating the conditions of human survival.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It has side effects, so you basically, if you cheat, you will have a certain layer of toxic sludge that covers everything that is a result of cheating.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And this is different from other societies. So, for instance, social mobility is an aspect of this. Social mobility is the result of individual innovation that would not be sustainable at scale for everybody else. Normally, you should not go up, you should go deep, right? We need bakers, and if we are good bakers, but in a society that innovates, maybe you can replace all the bakers with a really good machine. That's not a bad thing, and it's a thing that made the US so successful, right? But it also means that the US is not optimizing for sustainability, but for innovation.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Basically, people do things that they know are wrong. It's acceptable to do things that you know are wrong in the society to a certain degree. You can, for instance, Suggest some non-sustainable business models and implement them”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or if a journalist finds out something inconvenient about the institution and the institution has no plan B, like in Russia, the journalist has to die. This is what when you run society by the deep state. So ideally you have an administration layer that you can change if something bad happens, right? So you will have a continuity in the whole thing. And this is the system that we came up in the West. And the way it's set up in the US is largely a result of low level models. So it's mostly just second, third order consequences that people are modeling in the design of these institutions. It's a relatively young society that doesn't really care take care of the downstream effects of many of the decisions that are being made. And I suspect that AI can help with this in a way if you can fix the incentives. The society of the US is the society of teeters. It's basically cheating is so indistinguishable from innovation and we want to encourage innovation.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Religious institutions don't seem to be optimal to organize that. So what we discovered right now that we live in in the West is democracy. And democracy is the wall of oligarchs that are the people that currently own the means of production that is administered not by the oligarchs themselves because there is too much disruption. We have so much innovation that we have in every generation new means of production that we invent and corporations die usually after 30 years or so and something other takes a leading role in our societies. So it's administered by institutions and these institutions themselves are not elected but they provide continuity and they are led by electable politicians and this makes it possible that you can adapt to change without having to kill people right so you can have for instance if a change in governments if people think that the current government is too corrupt or is not up to date you can just elect new people”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The problem is divine is a loaded concept in our world, right? Because we are outside of this cult and we are still scarred from breaking free of it. But the idea is basically we need to have a civilization that acts as an intentional agent, like an insect state. And we are not actually a tribal species, we are a state-building species. And what enables state building is a basic deformation of religious states and other forms of rule-based administration in which the individual doesn't matter as much as the rule or the higher goal. Got there via the question What's the optimal form of governance? So I don't think that Catholicism is the optimal form of governance because it's obviously on the way out, right? So it is for the present type of society that we are in.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you serve this together, and this is how you see the sacred in the other. And the last one is hope, which means you need to be willing to act on that principle without getting rewards in the here and now because it doesn't exist yet. When you start out building the civilization, right? So you need to be able to do this in the absence of its actual existence yet. So it can come into being.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's often been misunderstood as God has to tell you that these are the things. So basically there's something nefarious going on, the Christian conspiracy forces you to believe some guy with a long beard that they discovered this. So these principles are relatively simple. Again, it's for high-level organization, for the resulting civilization that you form, commitment to unity. So basically you serve this higher, larger thing, this structural principle on the next level, and he calls that phase. Then there needs to be a commitment to shared purpose. This is basically this global reward that you try to figure out what that should be and how you can facilitate this. And this is love, the commitment to shared purpose is the core of love, right? You see this sacred thing that is more important than your own organismic interests”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So basically, these three rational principles goal rationality he calls prudence or wisdom. Social regulation is justice, the correct social one and the internal regulation is temperance. And this thing, willingness to act on your models is courage. And then he says that there are additionally to these four cardinal virtues, three divine virtues. And these three divine virtues cannot be rationally deduced, but they reveal themselves by the harmony, which means if you assume them and you extrapolate what's going to happen, you will see that they make sense.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Are animals very much the same way as Aristotle envisions, which basically organisms with cybernetic control. And then he says that there are additional rational principles that humans can discover. And everybody can discover them so they are universal. If you are sane, you should understand you should submit to them because you can rationally deduce them. And these principles are roughly, you should be willing to self-regulate correctly. You should be willing to do correct social regulation inter-organismic. You should be willing to act on your models. So you have skin in the game. You should have goal rationality. You should be choosing the right goals to work on.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“then the forms of government will be regulated by the landowners and you get a monarchy. If you also want to have a form of government in which you depend on some form of slavery, for instance, where the peasants have to work very long hours for very little gain, so very few people can have plumbing, then maybe you need to promise them to get paid in the afterlife, the overtime, right? So you need a theocracy. And so for much of human history in the West, we had a combination of monarchy and theocracy that was our form of governance, right? At the same time, the Catholic Church implemented game-theoretic principles. I recently reread Thomas Okinus. It's very interesting to see this because he was not a dualist. He was translating Aristotle in a particular way for designing an operating system for the Catholic society. And he says that basically people...”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so, what we discover is that maybe the problem of government doesn't have stable solutions for us. A species because we are not designed in such a way that we can make everybody conform to them. But there could be solutions that work under given circumstances or that are the best for a certain environment and depends on, for instance, the primary forms of ownership and the means of production. So if the main means of production is land.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source