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Joscha Bach

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first: 2020-06-13
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“Mathematical. What if humanity has already discovered the optimal form of government through a revolutionary process? There is an evolution going on.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They have to control the same problems every day. When I walk, they are going to be processes in my brain that model my walking pattern and regulate them and so on. But it's going to be pretty much the same every day.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, of course, but the other thing is that the bandwidth that our brain, our own mind is running on is actually quite slow. So the number of thoughts that I can productively think in any given day is quite limited. Had the discipline to write it down and the speed to write it down, maybe it would be a book every day or so, but if you think about the computers that we can build, the magnitudes at which they operate, right, this would be nothing, it's something that it can put out in a second.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I do think so, but I don't think that you need technically invasive procedures to do so. We can already interface with other people by observing them very, very closely and getting in some kind of empathetic resonance. And I'm a nerd, so I'm not very good at this, but I noticed that people are able to do this to some degree. And it basically means that we model an interface layer of the other person in real time. And it works despite our neurons being slow because most of the things that we do are built on periodic processes. So you just need to entrain yourself with the oscillation that happens. And if the oscillation itself changes slowly enough, you can basically follow along.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the US, it's a very weird system. It's not universal in the world. The law is a very interesting software once you realize it, right? These circuits are in some sense streams of software and it largely works by exception handling. So you make decisions on the ground and they get synchronized with the next level structure as soon as an exception is being thrown. So it estimates the exception handling. The process is very expensive, especially since it incentivizes the lawyers for producing work for lawyers.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There would be enough people that would be crazy enough to have Holstral in their skull to try a new type of brain computer interface.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's technically possible, but I don't see that the FDA would ever allow me to drill holes in my skull to interface my neocortics the way Elon Musk envisions. So at the moment I can do horrible things to mice, but I'm not able to do useful things to people, except maybe at some point down the line in medical applications. So this thing that we are envisioning, which means recreational and creational brain computer interfaces are probably not going to happen in the present legal system.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Course, but it might be sufficient that you just do mathematics, and mathematics is already putting up enough resistance against you. So basically just within aesthetic motive, this could maybe be sufficient to form a type of intelligence. It would probably not be a very human intelligence, but it might be one that is already general.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But the thing that you also put mentioned just now is physics that you could change in any way you want. So you need an environment that puts up resistance against you. If there's nothing to control, you cannot make models, right? There needs to be a particular way that resists you. And by the way, your motivation is usually outside of your mind. It resists your motivation is what gets you up in the morning, even though it would be much less work to stay in bed. And so it's basically forcing you to resist the environment. And it forces your mind to serve it, to serve this resistance to the environment. So in some sense, it is also putting up resistance against the natural tendency of the mind to not do anything.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So you observe yourself initiating an action. There are features that you interpret as the initiation of an action. Then you perform the operations that you perform to make that happen. And then you see the movement of your limbs and you learn to associate those and thereby model your own agency over this feedback, right? But the first feedback that you get is from this first order thing already. Basically, you decide to think a thought and the thought is being thought. You decide to change the thought and you observe how the thought is being changed. And in some sense, this is, you could say, an embodiment already, right? And I suspect it's sufficient as an embodiment.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that currently it's a waste of time to deal with the physical world before we have mechanisms that can automatically learn how to deal with it. The body gives you second order agency. What constitutes the body is the things that you can indirectly control. Third order are tools. And the second order is the things that are basically always present, but you operate on them with first order things which are mental operators. The zero order is in some sense the direct sense of what you're deciding.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Question is Does this non physical world or this other environment Entice you to solve problems that require general intelligence. If it doesn't, then you probably will not develop general intelligence. And arguably, most people are not generally intelligent because they don't have to solve problems that make them generally intelligent. And even for us, it's not yet clear. If we are smart enough to build AI and understand our own nature to this degree, right? So it could be a matter of capacity. And for most people, it's in the first place a matter of interest. They don't see the point because the benefit of attempting this project are marginal because you're probably not going to succeed in it and the cost of trying to do it requires complete dedication of your entire life, right?”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think they should be able to make use of a body if you give it to them. I don't think that a fundamental need a body. So I suspect if you can interact with the world by moving your eyes and your head, you can make controlled experiments. And this allows you to have many magnitudes fewer observations in order to reduce the uncertainty in your models. So you can pinpoint the areas in your models where you're not quite sure and you just move your head and see what's going on over there and you get additional information. If you just have to use YouTube as an input and you cannot do anything beyond this, you probably need just much more data. But we have much more data. So if you can build a system that has enough time and attention to browse through all of YouTube and extract all the information that there is to be found, I don't think there's an obvious limit to what it can do.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Why is that? Maybe smarter elephants would meditate themselves out of existence because their brains are too large. So basically the elephants that were not autistic, they didn't reproduce”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Also, be that our brains are so small, not just because they take up so much glucose in our body, like 20% of the glucose, so they don't arbitrarily scale. There are some animals like elephants which have larger brains than us and they don't seem to be smarter. Elephants seem to be autistic. They have very, very good motor control and they're very good with details, but they really struggle to see the big picture. So you can make them recreate drawings stroke by stroke. They can do that, but they cannot reproduce a still life. So they cannot make a drawing of a scene that they see. They will always be only able to reproduce the line drawing, at least as far from what I could see in the experiments.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“For me, it's more like a freight so because this thing that we only appear to be so complex to each other because we are so stupid is a little bit depressing.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The fidelity of what we can perceive. So if we put on an Oculus quest, we get something that is still relatively crude with respect to what we can perceive, but it's also in the same ballpark already, right? It's just a couple order of magnitudes away to home saturating our perception in terms of the complexity that it can produce. So in some sense, it's reasonable to say that the computer that you can buy and put into your home is able to give a perceptual reality that has a detail that is already in the same ballpark as what your brain can process. And everything else are ideas about the world. And I suspect that they are relatively sparse. And also the intuitive models that we form about social interaction. Social interaction is not so hard. It's just hard for us nerds because we all have our wires crossed, so we need to deduce them. But the priors are present in most social animals. So it's an interesting thing to notice.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But in some sense, I think of the concepts as the address space for our behavior programs. And the behavior programs allow us to recognize objects and interact with them, also mental objects. And a large part of that is the physical world that we interact with, which is this RES extends, which is basically a navigation of information in space. And basically it's similar to a game engine. It's a physics engine that you can use to describe and predict how things that look in a particular way, that feel when you touch them a particular way, that are proprietion, that a lot of auditory perception, and so on, how they work out. So basically the geometry of all these things. And this is probably 80% of what our brain is doing is dealing with that, with this real-time simulation. And by itself, a game engine is fascinating, but it's not that hard to understand what it's doing, right? In our game engines are already in some sense approximately.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But if you think just about the numbers, you don't live that long. If you think about how many cycles do your neurons have in your life, it's quite limited. You don't get that old.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Much common sense knowledge do we actually have? Imagine that you are really hardworking throughout your life and you form two new concepts every half hour. End up with something like a million concepts because you don't get that old. So a million concept, that's not a lot”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not complicated, it's relatively easy to build a neural network that in some sense learns the dynamics. The fact that we haven't done it right so far doesn't mean it's hard because you can see that a biological organism does it with relatively few neurons. Basically, you build a bunch of new oscillators that entrain themselves with the dynamics of your body in such a way that the regulator becomes isomorphic in its model to the dynamics that it regulates. And then it's automatic. And it's only interesting the sense that it captures attention when the system is off.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Suspect that you and my brain are slightly unusual in this regard, which is probably what got you into MIT. So this obsession of constantly Possibilities and solutions to problems”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I suspect part of what we need to do is we probably need to build dreaming systems. I suspect that part of the purpose of dreams is to, similar to generative adversarial network, learn certain constraints and then it produces alternative perspectives on the same set of constraints. So you can recognize it under different circumstances. Maybe we have flying dreams as children because we recreate the objects that we know and the maps that we know from different perspectives, which also means from a bird's eye perspective.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It means that ideally every potential model state should correspond to a potential world state. So basically if you vary states in your model, you always end up with valid world states. And our mind is not quite there. So an indication is basically what we see in dreams. The older we get, the more boring our dreams become because we incorporate more and more constraints that we learned about how the world works. So many of the things that we imagine to be possible as children turn out to be constrained by physical and social dynamics. And as a result, fewer and fewer things remain possible. It's not because our imagination scales back, but the constraints under which it operates become tighter and tighter. And so the constraints under which renewable networks operate are almost limitless, which means it's very difficult to get a neural network to imagine things that look real.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“definitely forms of unsupervised learning but the many algorithms that can achieve that I suspect that ultimately the algorithms that work, there will be class of them or many of them, and they might have small differences of like a magnitude in efficiency. But eventually what matters is the type of model that you form. And the types of models that we form right now are not sparse enough.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Normally, we only get attention in the parts of our mind that create heat, where you have a mismatch between model and the results that are happening. And so most people are not self-aware because their control is too good. If everything works out, roughly the way you want, and the only things that don't work out is whether your football team wins, then you will mostly have models about these domains. And it's only when, for instance, your fundamental relationships to the world around you don't work because the ideology of your country is insane and the other kids are not nerds and don't understand why you understand physics and why you want to understand physics and you don't understand why somebody would not want to understand physics.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That meditation is eventually just a bunch of techniques that let you control attention. And when you can control attention, you can get access to your own source code, hopefully not before you understand what you're doing. And then you can change the way it works temporarily or permanently.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, and you can basically meditate yourself in a state where you are still conscious, still things are happening, where you know everything that you knew before, but you're no longer identified with changing anything. And this means that yourself dissolves. There is no longer this person. You know that this person construct exists in other states and it runs on this brain of Lex Friedman. But it's not a real thing, it's a construct, it's an idea, and you can change that idea. And if you let go of this idea, if you don't think that you are special, you realize it's just one of many people and it's not your favorite person even, right? It's just one of many. And it's the one that you are doomed to control for the most part. And that is basically informing the actions of this organism. A control model. And this is all there is”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It cannot be immodel, but you can stop being afraid of your mortality because you realize you were never continuously existing in the first place.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's just a belief you can create this belief very easily once you realize that. The question whether you are immortal or not depends entirely on your beliefs in your own continuity.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There is no continuous process. The only thing that binds you together with the Lex Friedman from yesterday is the illusion that you have memories about him. So if you want to upload, it's very easy. You make a machine that thinks it's you This is the same thing that you are. You are a machine that thinks it's you.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The maintenance of the identity is not terminal, it's instrumental to something else. You maintain your identity so you can serve your meaning. So you can do the things that you are supposed to do before you die. And I suspect that for most people, the fear of death is the fear of dying before they are done with the things that they feel they have to do, even though they cannot quite put their finger on it, what it is, what that is.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that the view of that is only plays a role as long as you don't see the big picture. The thing is that minds are software states, right? Software doesn't have identity. Software in some sense is a physical law.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They look down on me and I see, oh my god, I'm caught in a monkey. What's that? That's the feeling, right? So it's the government, and I'm unhappy with the entire universe that I find myself in.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I think you will find that most people don't care about that because they're well adjusted enough to not care. And the reason why people like you and me care about it probably has to do with the need to understand ourselves. It's because we are in fundamental disagreement with the universe that we wake up in”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you build an AI, it probably can make models at an arbitrary degree of detail of the world. And then it would try to understand its own nature. It's tempting to think that at some point when we have general intelligence, we have competitions where we will let the AIs wake up in different kinds of physical universes and we measure how many movements of the Rubik's cube it takes until it's figured out what's going on in its universe and what it is and its own nature and its own physics and so on. So what if we exist in the memory of an AI that is trying to understand its own nature and remembers its own genesis and remembers Lex and Yosha sitting in a hotel? Sparking some of the ideas that led to the development of general intellig”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You are adapted to it. Basically, if your brain is vired up in such a way that you get rewards optimally in such an environment and there is some evidence for this that for a certain degree of complexity basically people are more happy in such environment because it's what we largely have evolved for in between we had a few thousand years in which I think we have evolved for a slightly more comfortable environment so there is probably something like an intermediate stage in which people would be more happy than there would be if they would have to fend for themselves in small groups in the forest and often die versus something like this where we now have basically a big machine a big mordor in which we run through concrete boxes and press buttons and machines and largely don't feel well cared for as the monkeys that we are.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's one that's very good to be in nature and not fight for my survival. I think fighting for your survival while being in the cold and in the rain and being hunted by animals and having open wounds.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it is not fun to be very close to nature until you completely subdue nature. So our idea of being close to nature means being close to agriculture, basically forests that don't have anything in them that eats us.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think I like this one. It's a very weird thing that when you find yourself on a Titanic and you see this iceberg and it looks like we are not going to miss it. And a lot of people are in denial and most of the counter arguments sound like denial to me. They don't seem to be rational arguments. And the other thing is we are born on this Titanic. Without this Titanic, we wouldn't have been born. We wouldn't be here. We wouldn't be talking. We wouldn't be on the internet. We wouldn't do all the things that we enjoy. And we are not responsible for this happening. It's basically If we had the choice, we would probably try to prevent it. But when we were born, we were never asked when we want to be born, in which society we want to be born, what incentive structures we want to be exposed to. We have relatively little agency in the entire thing. Humanity has relatively little agency in the whole thing. It's basically a giant machine that's tumbling down a hill and everybody is frantically trying to push some buttons. Nobody knows what these buttons are meaning, what they connect to.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Imagine you get to choose, you have one lifetime Get born into a sustainable agricultural civilization 300, maybe 400 million people on the planet tops. Or before this, some kind of nomadic species with a million or two million. And so you don't meet new people unless you give birth to them. You cannot travel to other places in the world. There is no internet. There is no interesting intellectual tradition that reaches considerably deep. So you would not discover during completeness probably and so on. We wouldn't exist. And the alternative is you get born into an insane world. That is doomed to die because it has just burned 100 million years worth of trees in a single century”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“prevalent. I have no idea how the future is going to play out in this regard. I think it's quite likely that we cannot continue like this. All our cousin species, the other home in its agon.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it could also be that the ecosystems tip. And so what really concerns me is not so much the end of the civilization because we will invent a new one. But what concerns me is the fact that, for instance, the oceans might tip. So for instance, maybe the plankton dies because of ocean acidification and cyanobacteria take over. And as a result, we can no longer raise the atmosphere. This would be really concerning. So basically a major reboot of most complex organisms on Earth. And I think this is a possibility. I don't know about the percentage for this possibility is, but it doesn't seem to be outlandish to me if you look at the scale of the changes that we've already triggered on this planet. And so Danny Hiller suggests that, for instance, we may be able to put chalk into the stratosphere to limit solar radiation. Maybe it works. Maybe this is sufficient to counter the effects of what we've done. Maybe it won't be. Maybe we won't be able to implement it by the time it's...”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably not the first human civilization that has discovered technology that allows to efficiently overgraze our resources. And this overgrazing is a thing at some point we think we can compensate this because if we have eaten all the grass, we will find a way to grow mushrooms.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So that makes it difficult. If you were unable to solve everything technologically, you can probably understand how high the child mortality needs to be to absorb the mutation rate and how high the mutation rate needs to be to adapt to a slowly changing ecosystemic environment, right? So you could in principle compute all these things game theoretically and adapt to it. But if you cannot do this because you are like me and you have children, you don't want them to die, you will use any kind of medical information to keep child mortality low, even if it means that within the few generations we have enormous genetic drift and most of us have allergies as a result of not being adapted. The changes that we made to our food supply”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Suspect that in some sense we are both too smart and not smart enough, which means we are very good at solving near term problems and at the same time we are unwilling to submit to the imperatives that we would have to follow in if we want to stick around.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And these local incentives, everybody does the thing that's locally the best for them, but the global outcome is not good. And this is even the case when people care about the global outcome, because a regulation mechanism exists that creates a causal relationship between what I want to have for the global good and what I do. So for instance, if I think that we should fly less and I stay at home, there is not a single plane that is going to not start because of me, right? It's not going to have an influence, but I don't get from A to B. So the way to implement this would basically to have a government that is sharing this idea that we should fly less and is then imposing a regulation that, for instance, makes flying more expensive and gives incentives for inventing other forms of transportation. putting that strain on the environment, for instance.”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ideally, government should not be perceivable, right? It should be frictionless. The more you notice the influence of the government, the more friction you experience, the less effective and efficient the government probably is, right? So a government came theoretically is an agent that imposes an offset on your payout metrics to make your Nash equilibrium compatible with the common good. So, you have these situations where people are haiku incentives”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you adhere to certain rules, you get different outcomes in different societies. And this all leads to very tricky situations when people do not have a commitment to shared purpose. Our societies probably need to rediscover what it means to have a shared purpose and how to make this compatible with the non-totalitarian view. So, in some sense, the US is caught in a conundrum between Totalitarianism and diversity and it doesn't need to how to resolve this and the solutions that the US has found so far are very crude because it's a very young society that is also under a lot of tension. It seems to me that the US will have to reinvent itself”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because it's basically punishing people that look suspicious when surveyed but do the right thing anyway. And the opposite, if you have a low trust society, then surveillance can be a better trade-off. And the US is currently making a transition from a relatively high trust or mixed trust society to a low-trust society. So surveillance will increase. Another thing is that beliefs are not just inert representations. There are implementations that run code on your brain and change reality and change the way you interact with each other at some level. And some of the beliefs are just public opinions that we use to display our alignment. So for instance, people might say all cultures are the same and equally good, but still they prefer to live in some cultures over others, very, very strongly so. And it turns out that the cultures are defined by certain rules of interaction. And these rules of interaction lead to different results when you implement them, right?”
2020-06-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #101 – Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source