YouSaid · the spoken record

Kevin Kelly

lines on the record: 146
first: 2023-04-26
most recent: 2023-04-26
sittings or episodes: 1
sources: podcast

Every line below is reproduced as it was said and linked to the record it came from. Nothing here is summarised or generated. Directory · Search · Corrections

“Not bad is, I think, the title. I mean, that's what we're talking about. It's a not bad intern, okay? It's a not bad intern. It's not bad, universal, not bad personal intern. They'll get better. And I think also, again, they'll get specialized. So in 15 years, 15 years. So here's my reluctance about that. I saw VR for the first time in Jerry Lanier in 1989, 87. I could see that in five years. I could see like. I mean, it was so good. It was so amazing.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, write some headlines. It says it's really, really good with suggesting something that they hadn't thought of. Or also sometimes it'll have give the little posting and said, give me a great punchline at the end.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I can probably guess it. Probably who would guess it is. Yeah, 40 a day. So they use it to help write headlines. They'll give the thing and say, give me five headlines.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it made a good list. Again, I couldn't really use the list, but it was, I could use it to make the list. It was a starting point. And here's another thing. So I have a friend who has a blog, a daily blog. They generate 40 posts a day.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, just, you know, kind of like, where is continuity broken or things like that? Also, to hear something I used in my book, which we'll get to, my publisher asked for talking points. Talking points. So I said, make a list of nine talking points. Time machine.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For me, this is really big. It's just getting going. And then you can also use it later on. I have a friend who writes scripts and they do show me all the weak plot points in this.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You could do that. Give me the five bullet points and stuff. And then you could say, you could have questions about some parts you didn't understand or expand this bullet one, cutting more sources, or give me an example of a day in the life or this, or ten more examples of how this might play out. You could kind of expand it that way. You could also shrink it in terms of like summarizing, making bullet points. Or what's the key takeaway? Or how about if I wanted to have like a teachable moment out of this? And so you would have all these kinds of things flowing around and then again it's the intern at work. It's like good, but you're not going to use it. You're probably going to whine it rewriting it. It's maybe give me some ideas I didn't have or maybe the structure of how it organized it was that's pretty good for four of them. And so it's a start. And for me.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I want to give So it depends. I might ask it to do a summary of what's known about this. Tell me everything that knows about it. And then maybe write a first draft with bullets. There are five bullet points.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You is kind of an average. So most of the content generated by the chats is sort of broadly correct, very kind of average, very kind of bland. And a lot of what you're doing with the intern is kind of pressing them. So one of the tricks is that you can ask for it to be a little bit snarkier or more professional.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right? And so we're discovering we collectively by using it or discovering its capabilities and eventually its harms, but that's important because this is how we steer the things. And so the problem with trying to prohibit or turn it off or ban it is that you don't get to steer in going back to that metaphor. So right now through use, we're uncovering all these things. And I've been trying to track how people are actually using them, like for instance chat. a couple prompts so here's the thing these chat models basically what they generate are wisdom of the crowd kind of knowledge wisdom of the crowd was very famous counting the jelly beans like if you average all the attempts by humans to count the number of jelly beans in a bottle the best guess the most effort was kind of like the average of them and that's what we're getting with the chat it's taking everything that's written the plus and the minus is the geniuses and the jerks and it's averaging out and that's what it's given”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, here's the thing about it this is an important lesson about technology to figure it out. There's something I call thinkism, which is this reliance on trying to solve problems by thinking about them, which is very appealing to people who like to think. And you can only go so far with thinkism because all the things we're discovering about this none of the inventors of this had any idea that they could be used this way.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And we realize, of course, now that photography is not just pushing the button, there's a lot more involved in making a really great photograph than just pushing the button. You have to be in the right position, all this kind of stuff. And the same thing with the AIR. It's all you're just clicking. No, no, it's like photography. I feel I have some of the same kind of a stance that I have when I'm photographing, I'm kind of hunting, I'm searching through it. I'm trying to find a good position, a good area where there's kind of promise and I'm moving around and I'm trying and I'm whispering to the AI, how about this? I'm changing the word order. I'm actually interacting and having a conversation with it over time. And it may take a half hour or more to get an image that I'm happy with. And I'm at that point very comfortable in putting my name as a co-creator of it because I have meeting the intern have worked together to make this thing.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. You're seeing how other people do it. It's not behind closed doors. They're doing it in public. And oh my gosh, do you learn so much that way? So fast. So, and mostly, and what's interesting, the year before that I did a piece of art every day on my iPad with Procreate, and I spent almost as much time on the AIs making an image as I do when I make it myself. Because again, the accusation among the painters in the 1800s when the photography came along was, oh, you guys, you just push the button.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I tend to go to mid journey still. Midjourney has a very curious interface. It's a Discord channel. And at first, I was completely bamboozled and infuriated with that. But I came to see it as genius. Because everybody's working in the open. It's like the ultimate learning vehicle. And I learn something every time I go along.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Language interface, a conversational interface with them, and the powers is sort of completely in our faces now. And so where do we go from there? I think we are going to then start to apply this to everything, right? It's going to be as we speak every day, there's people embedding this, and they're going to embed it with this interface. So I think we're going to move to this having a whole nother level of interfacing with this machine with language. That's very, very powerful. We just go through the whole thing. It's like take X and the language interface to it. That's really powerful.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thinking about it suddenly in people's faces in the same way that the internet was completely fringe, and then when the web came along, it very rapidly became mainstream. I remember the first time I saw my gas station, the pump, there was like a URL. I was like, oh my gosh, this is like, it's here. I had the same feeling right now happening with the chatbots and the image generators is these capabilities have been around for at least a decade, but now what's new is we have a”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I was involved with the internet. I was living online for at least 10 years before 1992-93 when wires started. And in a certain sense, it was like, we can't get anybody to take it seriously. It was dismissed as teenage boy stuff. And it was kind of that's what it was. But I felt like this is like, this is really significant. This is really powerful. And what changed it was an interface change. It became visual for the first time in the web was pictures and stuff. And that's when everybody got it. Most of the AI happening today has been happening with all these chaps has been happening for years. What's new is we now have an interface. We have the conversational. It's this idea of the large language model. We have a conversational interface. And that's suddenly with, ha ha, the power that's been there for years is now suddenly accessible, like having the pictures on the web. And so we're suddenly...”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that. I would say a couple things. One is I think AI overall is underhyped, but the current version, we won't even call AI in 30 years. We'll look back and that wasn't it. And so it means that there's no AI experts right now. So I think, but in the short term, we're probably overestimating this idea of vast unemployment and stuff, not in the next couple of years for sure.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Technology succeeds when we don't see them anymore. We don't think about them. They become boring. The majority of the stuff won't even be outward facing. They'll be just behind the scenes. And then this idea of consciousness, consciousness is a liability. You don't want your car to be conscious. You want it to drive. You don't want to be worrying about whether it should majority in finance. You want it to focus on the road. So there will be advertising AIs as conscious free.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think the other thing is that for me, the best stance is to think of them as artificial aliens. Aliens mean they could be like Spock or Yoda, very, very smart, but they're just doing things differently than we do. If they'd have a sense of humor, it'll be a little off. But that is actually their benefit because they help us think different. And that's what we're going to be using them for. That's what people are already using them for is generate ideas. There's probably an idea that no human would ever have come up with. And that helps me come up with a new idea. The third thing I would say about the AIs is that most of them will be unseen. They'll be behind the office operating things, the plumbing, the infrastructure. And that's actually a sign of their success.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. Dumb Schmarten is going to be engineered and will have multiple. So it'd be more and more difficult to kind of generalize. What I'm saying is that there are going to be engineered for specific tasks primarily. And there will be a general one. But the general one would be kind of like the Swiss Army knife. You know, it's like good generally, but not really the best in any one tool. That's the engineering maxim. So we should expect multiple varieties of these.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know. It's kind of like that. This Amish, this Dunk Schmarten. We're just going to be furious. It's like, how could you be so dumb when you're so smart about these other things? This is going to be their typical reaction. It's like you're insanely brilliant, but you're so dumb here.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What I expect the thing I want to emphasize is that there's plural, there's AIs, so this idea of the monolithic AI taking over, they're like machines and they follow the general engineering maxim, which is that you cannot optimize everything. There's always trade-offs. So we're going to engineer these AIs to be good for certain things, but not as good as something else in another dimension. And we already see that with, say, the image generators. Some favor artists, some favor photography, there'll be different personalities. The one that does painting the best probably isn't going to be the best for writing. There'll be some kind of transformative.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Work on complex adapter systems that you want to have some top-down governance to assist This bottom up to get where you want to go.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Irony. And so it's just amazing that they have gone as far as they have. And we keep expecting that they can't go any further, but they keep surprising us. But we're pretty sure that they can't go the way. And the example I would use is like Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a flat. The idea was to flat. It comes up from the bottom. If it's bottom up, it's like, how far can you make it reliable? It's Wikipedia just from the bottom up. Well, a lot farther than you would initially thought, but we also know Wikipedia has succeeded because in recent years there have been more top-down control of the editors. And you have to have for ultimately what you want a combination of mostly bottom-up that's somewhat regulated by some top-down control, editorial control, all that kind of stuff. And that's what we don't really have in AI right now. We have just the bottom up. It's very, very bottom up. And there's just the suspicion looking at kind of the santa.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We don't know. That's the short answer, but it may require right now there's kind of a brute force, these neural nets. Brute force meaning that they're a very flat and they didn't work in the beginning because they weren't big enough. And the bigger we make them, Seem to overcome a lot of the problems. But it's really clear to most people that we can't get all the way to where we want to go just with these flat. Because these models, basically they do want to have things. They do pattern recognition and pattern generation. That's all. They don't do symbolic logic inductive reasoning. The current ones aren't capable of that.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. And then there's going to be this ability over time to require less of a training set for right now. We can only way we train these is the more, the billions, the better. But human toddler can learn the difference between a cat and a dog just with 12 examples. And when we start to have more targeted like that, I think people will start to clamor to be included in the training set.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. And then there could be a lot of them where people will use, they will train the things on their own work and like help me make more images in my style.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think there will be people, companies, who will make training sets. They're all opt-in in some capacity. Maybe most of it's sort of already out of copyright. And they'll be sold as greenwashes, ethical training sets, whatever it is”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Every day with these image generators, 30 million and I would say about maybe 95% or maybe 98% of them there's an audience of one. It's for the pure pleasure of shaming this. It's like you would take a walk out into nature and just see a beautiful scene. It's like I'm just enjoying this. This is why they're mostly being generated, the predominant number of them just because they're beautiful. Okay, and so they weren't there before. You could not have your own private museum of these really cool images. Maybe no one will ever see again. Okay. And so that's what they're being mostly used for is filling in the blank spaces. And that's also true, again, of a lot of the other intern work that may be writing things that nobody else but the boss sees.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's going to be a lot of art generated from these entities, these AIs. And I always want to say plural, always plural. There's not one AI, there's AIs, all different species. But most of that work is being used for areas that are blank now where there is no pictures, where there isn't anything. So I have my assistant actually has for years woke up in the night to write her dreams down. And now she feeds those dreams into the AI and she illustrates them. And they're just amazing. There were no illustrations before. Now they're illustrations. I use them to generate images for my slides. There were no pictures before. Now there are pictures. So it's not like I'm replacing somebody. I'm filling it in. So the major, and by the way, there's about 30 million brand new never seen before images generated.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“UPIs. Okay. And there are really amazing, but you have to check their work. It's embarrassing to release their work without improvement, the intern work. So I've used these logo AI generators, and I'll work with them over and over again. And this is what the artists will be doing. The artist is going to be working with their interns, generating all these possibilities, tweaking them. They're kind of like a director or conductor. They're managing the interns and they're not releasing the intern work unedited, unpolished, uncurated. And that's what their new tasks become. The”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They design logos. Right. And I have gone to some of the logo designers, AI. There are AI designers right now, and they're amazing But here's the position, and this is my position what we get from these AIs currently right now are universal personal interns, they're intern. They're doing the work of interns.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because of AI. And so far, I haven't. I've maybe even offered like a $200 bounty if you could tell me the name specific person who lost their job because of AI of any sort.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There might be a little bit of semantics here because I would say that we replace many tasks, but not their job. So this is what AI does, it replace tasks. There are tasks that we do. Most jobs are complex at different tasks. A lot of these tasks will go to the AI, but not necessarily the job. The job will shift and you'll have different tasks. Part of that strength is that I would actually maybe even expand this even broader and I welcome feedback on this. My claim would be that I don't think there's anybody in any field that's lost their job because of AI so far. There's tasks that have gone away but not jobs. And a lot of the worry about this AI is what I call third person worry. They're saying, my job, hobby, I'm not going to be replaced, but I can imagine somebody else or maybe I can imagine my friend losing it, but I'm still waiting for someone to say I lost my job, a real person with a real name who lost their job.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Through distance. If you've got a male, you're going to be a farmer, maybe a blacksmith, a woman, you're going to be a wife and a mother. And that was it. If you took the bus all the way into the city and went somewhere else, you'd be in a grimy, gritty slum, but you had a choice for the first time of what you could do. And maybe, not then, but now if you took that best ride, you might be a web designer of yoga teacher, a mortgage broker, whatever, you have choices. And that's what they did not have. They had very strong family, good identity, tremendous support, maybe organic food, but no choices. From the 15th century to today.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Good sized town There was no electricity In the town. They didn't have street lights. They would have a guy at night go and light kerosene lamps a street lighter. They would throw their shit into the street. I mean, at the window kind of stuff. It was like, and of course, there was a feudal structure. I mean, they had basically slaves and child brides and the whole thing. It was just medium in every way. Very little metal. There was no signage on the town. There was no science. Didn't need science. So it was like, I'm in a different century. I'm in a different century. And that experience of seeing what you get when you had development in technology. And of course, you could see all the challenges and problems. But the main thing that I learned from that experience is the thing that we get is we get choices and options. That's ultimately what we get from the technology. So the people growing up there, their occupations were”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was so remote, and I wanted to see what was at the end of the line. And here is a town. I don't know how maybe there's 100,000 people in this town.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The time machine I took like a $20 bus ride in Northern Afghanistan in 1975 somewhere And I arrived in a different century, literally in a different century. I had no map. I had not met anybody heard of anybody who ever went there. I mean, there was obviously lots of ASCANs, but I mean, no tourists. I had no idea if I could get there, it was literally a name on a very poor map.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. You have a smaller market every year, a smaller audience. So, one way is to make things better, to make better stuff. Okay. And we have. So refrigerators, you know, if you just count how many refrigers are being sold, yeah, you can have increasing numbers, but you could sell refrigerators and make them better every year, which is what we've been doing. And that's actually not often accounted for in economics GDPs. How many refrigerators per unit are you making? But they're not saying, well, we actually, these new refrigerators are better because they use less energy. They make ice as well as refrigerate. They do all these other things, but that's not really accounted for. And so we can change how we account for things. We start to measure something different just other than expansion the more, the more stuff. So we need some new metrics. So yes, I am optimistic that we can change our understanding and what we aim for.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So they go together. So, what type of growth is an increase in complexity? So you have an economy where instead of trying to sell more bottles of wine, you try to sell the same number of wines, but better wine That's different kind of growth. That's the kind of growth that we can shift into. We're just increasing the quality of things.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The definition of entropy is increasing disorder. And then there's something called negative entropy, which is what I'm talking about. But that's a double negative. I don't like double negatives, so exotropy is basically an increase in order. So exotropy is this idea of this increasing order that comes at the cost of increasing entropy. So that's the thing. So you get your system like a living cell. It's actually increasing the generation of entropy as it increases its order. It's like a magnifying glass with the sun. Have you ever seen that? There's a little bright spot in the middle of a lens in the sun, but all around it is a shadow because it's taken all the light.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, it's increasing this complexity. Is taking the same number of atoms and having a more complex arrangement. It's going from a jellyfish to a chimpanzee or something. And so that complex adaptive system where you have increasing levels of complexity and more exotropy in it, that is a different kind of growth.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, these are people who basically the troubles of the world, and particularly climate, when coming from our addiction to growth, growth is kind of the consumer capitalistic kind of idea that they grow, grow, grow, grow. And they're saying it's finite. We can't continue to grow. And we have to degrowth, stop growing. There's a little bit of a confusion in English because there's two meaning of the word growth. There's growth to add more pounds to add more and more stuff to get bigger, wider, heavier, to have more things, to sell more refrigerators, to sell more bottles of wine. But there's another meaning of the word growth, which is probably closer to what you're interested in, personal growth, development, maturing, knowledge growth.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm taking a time machine mark. I've been in the time machine. It's very, very clear that we've been on a momentum and a trajectory of progress. And it's possible that that could stop tomorrow. It's highly unlikely that it's going to stop tomorrow. So there is just all the conditions that make that suggest that it will continue. And so part of our optimism can come from that.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, it means that overall and average this is a better place to live than at any time in the past. And this is the kind of Obama test. I don't know if you've heard about that, but it's like if you were to be born randomly in any time period, it could be male, female, poor, rich, totally at random on some average thing. What time do you want to live in? What time period? And like there's no way you would want to be anything before at least 50 years ago and maybe not even within 50 years because we intuitively understand that this is actually the best time to be alive. But there is a recognition of what are the currents that made that, what has allowed that, what's operating, is it still going? And from my view of history, and I had the chance to live in the past on a time machine, we'll talk about that in a minute.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So what might help other people? I think for me, one of the major things for me was the more I thought about the future, the more I became interested in history. And the more I read history, the more the reality of progress became. And I think just acknowledging the reality of progress would go a large, huge step in helping our optimism.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it's good that there is a small group of people, but we don't need to have that be our concern for making national policy every year. That probability is so low. It shouldn't really be a factor in us making our decisions about what we're going to do this year. So that's passive in that sense. I can be passive about it because there is another group of people that is active”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“B1612 after the little prince, right? It's a viable thing that they've been behind So it's the first cosmic impact you really had on the, you know, in the cosmos”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's really good that there is now a group of people who are thinking about that. And there's the B1612 Foundation, which is just cracking all the asteroids.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT