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Kevin Kelly

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“I love your distinction between passive optimism and active. I think that's brilliant and right on. The reality is that you can't be active about everything. You have to kind of select and choose. And so there is a sense in which, okay. There is a greater than zero chance that the Earth could be impacted by an asteroid. And it would be really devastating. And one of the most devastating things that could ever happen to this planet far beyond, even with climate change, could do.”
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“But the engine is actually the more important element. So there are people, there are organizations and there are methods that are going to be doing the braking. And I think they're essential. I want brakes in the car. But I just feel that the brake can overwhelm and cost stagnation in that we also want to remember to focus on making the engine even stronger. So I emphasize the engine.”
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“That's why entrepreneurs and all the others are rightly lauded because they're going against that grain. It is hard to imagine how we could have this thing that seems like it is improbable. And most things that work are improbable. That's the definition from the Santa Fe complexity theory is that things breaking down is the probable. Things, complicated things working are improbable by definition. And so you're against the improbable and that work of imagining the improbable and having the improbable succeed in believing it can is optimism, which means that the optimists are the ones who shape our future. So I like to give a little story of like a car. You need to have brakes on the car to steer the car.”
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“Realize that most of the things that we have now have been made by people who are optimistically viewing that it was possible to make them and believe that they were going to make them and could imagine them. So I think of it as a work of imagination where you kind of imagine a good scenario which is harder to do than imagining a scenario where it fails or collapses. It is much easier to imagine how things break than it is to see how they work.”
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“So, generally, people see optimism as kind of a temperament, a sunny view. And I think there is some of that. And I have a natural amount of it. But over time, I've actually become even more optimistic than my general tendency deliberately. It's kind of like a learned optimism. And I think the reason we should be as optimistic as we can is because it is how we make really good things, good complicated things. It's very hard to make good complicated things work because generally there's more way things can fail than they can succeed. And it's very unlikely that we're going to make something really good that's complicated inadvertently. They're hard to do. So we have to kind of see it and believe that it can be done. And that is where the optimism comes in, is envisioning something and then believing that you could make it real. Because when we look back on history, and that's where a lot of my optimism comes,”
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“But that's a little bit longer term. And actually, Stuart and I went to George Church, went to Siberia to go get samples of the mammoths that were being exposed by the thawing permafrost to get the DNA from the Tron trio. Jurassic Park 7 C1. Exactly.”
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“Stuart, Ryan Feliel, and I who did all species, and Stuart and Ryan went on to do Revive and Restore is the name of their program. And it is to originally, the totem animal was the mammoth, the woolly mammoth, was to bring that back. And there are a lot of very interesting reasons why to do that. And the way that they do is basically to take existing Asian elephants and winterizing them through breeding and accelerated breeding. So you cannot just kind of like hatch out of a test tube, a brand new woolly mammoth. There would be a sense in which you would kind of use the line of existing elephants to try and reverse kind of engineer them.”
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“Somebody in Japan and not even knowing that they're talking about the same thing. So it was failed in the sense that we still don't know all the species on this planet. We don't even know how many we don't know. And we're still only beginning to have a central integrated comprehensive complete catalog of what we do know. Called the Encyclopedia of Life and I.O. Wilson before he died was involved in that.”
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“25 years too early in terms of technology being available to be able to assist this. And so it became kind of a catalog of existing species. And that was the thing that shocked us was, okay, first we need is we need a list of all the existing species. And this is whatever this is, 2008 or something. There isn't one. It was like, what? Well, there's all these taxonomics, publications that they're all buried in these obscure publications that haven't been digitized yet. So it's like, oh my gosh, this is even further behind than we thought. So that is sort of what it became. It became kind of a program just to digitize the existing known species. And then the other thing is that as they started to do that, they realized that there was this huge duplication of species having more than one name because they're being somebody in Germany.”
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“Technologically small. Yes, and you needed it because even those aren't going to identify a new one. If you have an app that can identify the known ones, then you're only going to bother the taxonomists with one that isn't identified. Otherwise, people are just sending them out. Oh, this is a brand new species. And they're saying, no, this is not a new one. Don't bother me with that one. So that's what we needed. And we were just.”
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“Right now on my phone, I have Merlin, which will identify a bird song. I have iSeek, which will identify almost any plant or mushroom. That's what we needed.”
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“25 seminal moments in history, he was kind of always there, and his background was biology. He was a biologist for a study with Paul Ehrlich, who was the population bomb guy on the other side of this argument about population. So Stuart was sitting there. It was along now. Stuart guarded along now with me and Danny Hills and Peter Schwartz to encourage long-term thinking to be a good ancestor. How do we be good ancestors? And at that dinner, Later on, he said, we should really try and do this. It would be kind of a great thing. So we actually started a foundation called All Species. I named it All Species Inventory, All Species Foundation. And we were going to try and raise money, not from the usual sources that funded taxonomy. We didn't want to take any money for minute because it was really pitiful, the amount of money, but to find it from the Silicon Valley and get money for developing the technology that we”
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“Run it, print it, and run it right away. And there was no advertising. It was kind of reader supported. So that was Stuart Brandon. He went on to do things we started the well together, which was the first online access to the internet and other things. So he's my hero and he's kind of, he just had a recent book, a biography written about him by John Markoff, the New York Times tech writer. And so anyway, Stuart has been sort of at the center or at the leading edge of almost first the beatnecks and then the hippies and then the forest.”
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“Oh, yes. So Stuart Brand is close friend, and the person who first hired me, he invented the whole Earth catalog in the 1969. And the best way to describe the whole Earth catalog is it was kind of like your information guide to the world before there was the internet. And Steve Jobs famously called it the internet before there was internet. It was internet printed on newsprint because it was reader generated. before YouTube, before anything, if you wanted to find out how to build a house or repair your VW bug or start a homeschool or keep bees, where would you go? There was literally no place to find information. Libraries didn't have that information. There was no internet to look it up. But the whole earth catalog started to accumulate those and there was readers of it would send in their versions like, oh, the best book on gold panding is this thing. And then Stuart would.”
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“I said, yeah, I, you know, I don't know. I'm not taxonomist. I'm not a biologist. And Storis Hunch was that with new technology, and this is my bias too, we might be able to do that”
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“All the living species on this planet because we never done that. And by the way, if we found life on another planet, that's the first thing we would do is a systematic survey of all the life on that planet. But we haven't done that on our own home planet. And because you're paying locals, you would distribute that money down really, really fast. And Stuart Brand was sitting next to me and we kind of thought it was a cool idea. And then I didn't think anything more of it because I have ideas every a lot of ideas. I'm giving it away. And then like a week later, Stuart said, let's do that idea. And I said, what idea? I had forgotten it about it already. He said, you know, the idea at dinner about counting all the species.”
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“So there was a conversation I was part of, and I was sitting. Next to a billionaire who said, you know, it's actually hard to give away a billion dollars. And for some reason, I thought at that moment, well, actually, I know what I would do. And that would be I would hire all the local Indigenous people and have them be barefoot taxonomists and go out and discover and catalog.”
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“And partly that is because you get a thousand true fans by accumulating them one by one. If you're focused on like today, I'm going to get one more additional customer. That is tremendously powerful. Customer by customer, are they happy? Am I giving value to them? If you can focus on that, that is incredibly a superpower.”
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“And it can burn you out. And so I just want to emphasize that this is an option. And secondly, you don't have to go all the way. You can have your thousand true fans and then you can have lots of other casual fans and other fans, which would allow you to have other people help you. So it's not just you. And then secondly, for some people, you want to have intermediaries. It's just not something that you want to spend your time doing. And that's preferably fine. But it's a really great place to be able to start from. So maybe you don't want to land there, but that's one of my pieces of advice is that where you start, it's not where you're going to land. And so this is a good place to start.”
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“So I did a modification for you, which was where I talked about the fact that one benefit and one disadvantage. The one benefit is that part of what we're doing is if all you need is a thousand true fans, then even if your interests are one in a million given the population of the Earth, of billions of people, that means there's a thousand people potentially on the planet who will share your interests. So if your interests are only one in a million people can identify with that you still have enough. And then the second thing was that just to emphasize to people that this is not for everybody, that tending the fans and interacting with them is almost like a halftime job at least, maybe even more. And not everybody's suited to do that. And artists might just want to paint. They don't want to deal with fans. And we see more dealing with fans what it means. It's not always pretty.”
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“To say, we know that's a nice theory, but there isn't any evidence that this is actually working, and it was actually at that time I did a follow through and I tried to find evidence and there was evidence of established artists from publishing or music or studios who had already an audience and could move off of that to their own. But there wasn't any evidence of an indigenous Organic growth from nothing. Now there is. Every day people write to me and meet me say, yes, I have been able to do that inspired somewhat by hearing of that possibility.”
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“That the goal is to hit it big, the big Thai bestseller at hit. And most people kind of dissociate that those numbers, that kind of large scale with success. And the idea that success could look differently, that you could have a more modest size scale and that be successful, sometimes it's dismissed as lifestyle businesses or whatever. I kind of realized that the technology would allow a different version of that, that it was possible and that it would be good. It would be good for people. I think people can resonate with that because it's a viable alternative option to things that was not spoken before or was not even really on the radar. And when I wrote it, when I first wrote it before you even saw it, there was no Kickstarter. There was no patron. And I was challenged by people like Joan Lanier.”
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“So, the honest answer, one of the reasons why it's very popular is actually through you, the fact that you included it in one of your books, that sort of lifted it out of my little realm. The reason why maybe it kind of resonates with people is because there is sort of an assumption.”
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“The spurious things, right? And so that's what it was it was an ode or a nudge for people to maybe appreciate their own lives, meaning literally their life, much more than they do.”
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“Nudge people a little bit more to take advantage of this special time that we have to interact with each other. This is what you get by being embodied. There's far more influence. We can influence things through the physical way that we can't when we're intangible beings. And that was the issue that these other dimensional beings had is that they don't have as much influence. It's really hard for them to influence because having a body means that you can influence things by interacting with them physically and that's very powerful.”
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“That's a really good question. And that's the most important question you always want to be asking yourself when you're doing these. What effect do you want to have on people? How do you want them to feel after they're done? Do you want them to change your behavior? And for me, it was this idea of the genesis of it, which was to”
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“Exactly No, actually, we got to advance from Simon Schuster to do it, and we were late in delivering, and the guy who bought it left. They wanted it back, blah, blah, blah.”
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“And you're blowing it. It's like, what would I do? It would smother my face with mango juice and I would, you know, it's like I'd dive into the ocean and swim underwater and home. And so that was the premise of it. And then the added part of it was that some of these angelic beings would try to cheat by becoming embodied into a robot. They wouldn't go through the traditional preparation that you require of moral guidance and whoever else you needed to be before you were allowed to be in the human, but they were going to cheat by coming into robots, skipping a few steps and that these would be kind of unhinge or rogues. So anyway, that's the premise. So you have these angels and robots and it was graphic novel and we would tell stories. And the issue was I'd never written fiction in my life. Although the Pixar people had, they were from the story side. And I couldn't draw to the level necessary. So we worked.”
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“My friend and these other friends all went to the same church. Okay. We all in the same church, and there were people who worked at Qasar, and some people who worked at ILM. And so I had this idea of doing this book, it's a story, the premise of it was I was imagining that there would be these interdimensional beings, we're calling them angels. They're made out of light because they're intangible, and that they would look down on humans and weep when they saw us because we were getting the ride that they craved, that embodiment, and we were squandering it. So that's the basic premise is that there is this realm and there's these beings and they were waiting their turn to be embodied and they're looking at us and what we're doing with it's like you have the ultimate”
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“Menophon, who actually was an actual comic book artist and had published and wanted to do another one. And I'd kind of always wanted to try my handout because I thought that this was a brilliant genre for communicating lots of things. And particularly if you're interested in science fiction, it was sort of like to me a little better than a novel because it had the kind of immersive visualization which I love. I'm a very visual person, but it wasn't so detailed that you needed to make a movie of it. What we thought we could do both and we thought that maybe we could write something that would have some appeal to be making movies. So we would try to write the script as if we were writing a movie. And so some of the other associates that we had worked for Pixar, some story writer,”
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“And he might have been part of that whole thing too. I mean, he was. Oh, he was there for sure. In terms of the birth of Santa Fe, that year.”
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“So Los Alamos, there were a lot of physicists left over from the Manhattan Project who kind of liked living there. And Mary Gelman was the prime mover. And so he liked it. And I think he might have been instrumental in finding the funding for it. He was on the chair for a very long time. And there were spaces to convene and people. And so it was Santa Fe was close to Los Alamos. And that was the reason why it was in Santa Fe”
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“But by flapping her wings, it was like you put a big surfboard on it and you fly. There's limits to it. And right now with the AI stuff, there's lots of looking at the neurology. And of course, we call them neuronets. So there is a huge amount of influence. But what I'm saying is even maybe a little stronger, which is that it isn't as if these mechanical systems are imitating biology. I'm saying they actually have the same. Dynamics. The dynamics that are powering biology are powering the technique in the technology.”
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“Right, how wild is that? Right. So there's biomimicry was the field, which was kind of using those as models for ideas and frameworks. We're trying to make mechanical things. And that only takes you so far. I mean, that was the kind of maybe the genius or the breakthrough in the Wright brothers, which is like we didn't make flying machines by.”
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“Dynamics and apply them to machines and allow the work and trying to make robots and early AI, or again, we're modeling off of what was being learned and often reported or sponsored by the Santa Fe Institute and that kind of approach to complex adaptive systems. So yes, I think it's incredibly important. And for me, it was a transformative framing of the complicated things was to think of them in these terms. And my whole book was about the fact that the world of the maid and the world of the born are basically the same, the two faces of the same kind of dynamic. And so you can look at how Meadows work in ecosystems, and then you could look at the internet, which was just beginning. And now, of course, it's in full bloom. I mean, you can see how social media, they have similar behaviors.”
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“So, my first book was written about basically the Santa Fe Institute. So, out of control was based from a conference that was initiated by conferences I went to at Los Alamos. And Santa Fe was hosting one of the first conferences. And I would go down there and talk to all the scientists. This is in the late 80s. That was the beginning of the sort of a complex adaptive system view of the world. And so that's what out of control is about is looking at that view and saying, you know, the way biology works and the way this complex technology works are very similar. They have very similar dynamics because they're complex adaptive systems. And what we want to make with like the internet, which is all its penetrations, that you can kind of like think of spam as invading virus that you have to, you can't eliminate, that you have to treat it like an immune system where you keep it at bay. And so adopting some of these biological”
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“We don't have a global census. We don't have a global way of viewing. We have now satellites that can help us see, but they can't count everything. And so I think what we're doing as a species is moving into this era where we become a global, we have a global economy, we have a global view, a global machine, all the internet's connected together, and we'll act more globally and maybe increasingly some global governance, but we're not there yet. And so even something as primal and essential as our population, I think we don't know.”
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“And the one thing we know most about is human population, and I think our number, our counting of that is probably off by 10% plus or minus. And that's the thing that we know the most about globally. But if you ask how much freshwater is there or how much electricity is being generated globally, the answer is that we really don't know. We have a very poor view of us globally, partly because there's areas of the world that are so undeveloped. We don't have very good accounting.”
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“Well, it's not static, but it also means that there are sort of all the projections about the increasing population that people were assuming and built into some of these demographic models are being revised all the time. So that peak keeps moving closer. And the height of the peak, the numbers of actually how high it is is changing. And I think one of the things that's really important to understand for us in our society right now is that if you ask any question at the global level, The answer is we have no idea.”
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“That's the question. I think there's obviously some feedback loop where the more people you have, the more ideas you have, the more wealth you have, and that allows you to have more kids. But we don't know. And so all we can say is we have no experience in having living standards with Smaller population, a smaller audience, a smaller market every year.”
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“And China is aging, Mexico is aging faster than the US. So all the people that have been coming from Mexico, Mexico will want to have them back at some point. It's a really significant change. And again, it's possible that we could use technology to change it, maybe have artificial wounds or who knows what. But right now for the average person, they're not inclined to have a lot of children and the people who do have children don't have enough to cover for those who don't. in terms of the world population. You can have immigration, which is what the US has been doing all along, basically stealing people from other countries, but that doesn't help you globally. So here's where it's a problem. For a lot of environmentalists, just as good news, because there's less people who are going to consume sources, but”
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“Just falling birth rates because modern people on average are not having more than two kids per couple. And fertility is falling all around the planet, including right now even in the US. And everything that we've tried, we being humans, have tried collectively to counter that has not worked. So Japan is famously losing the total number of people, not just having a lower birth rate. They actually have a decline in population. But they're actually not the lowest birth rate, which is South Korea.”
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“Would be the same as it was at the time of the bat, which is, I think, 2003. So the idea is that we're coming up to a peak of human population that would then on the other side go down. So you very commonly see the chart of the rising population. But it's interesting to me that you never see what happens on the other side. And what happens on the other side, as far as we can tell, is that it plummets. And that's because”
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“That's been kind of slowly changing, but we engineered a kind of a hacker which you could make a donation to, you would use the money and the money would go to the foundation, the nonprofit of the person who won the bet. So my bet, and by the way, there are a lot of people who bet on including Warren Buffett, a made a million-dollar bet that basically index funds would beat any investment hedge fund. And he won his charity won. My bet about the population was that the population of the world, the global population of the world by 2060, I think it was.”
2023-04-26 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #669: Kevin Kelly — Excellent Advice for Living · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Long bets is a service that we set up at the Long Nile Foundation, which I can explain a little bit more about that, which is meant to encourage long-term thinking. So we made a place where we could have a long bet meaning more than two years about some social wager. And the idea would be that there would be a public that you'd be accountable for it. And there'd be money involved in the wager. And the idea was to also require people to put the logic of why they were going in a certain direction. And that over time, if you had enough of this, you could see which kinds of logic and what kinds of thinking would win more often. And to get around the laws of betting at the time, which basically is illegal to make a bet.”
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“It is, and I'm glad to be seen, and so I'm so glad to be able to share with you another time of exploring some ideas and just see where they go.”
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