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Marc Andreessen

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“So, the overwhelming evidence is that the net gain here is just wildly positive. And most people overwhelmingly come out the other side being huge beneficiaries of this.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of life. It's painful for some people. I mean, there's no question it's painful for some people, and yes, it's not, again, I'm not a utopian on this, and it's not like it's positive for everybody in the moment, but it has been overwhelmingly positive for 300 years. I mean, look, the concern here, the concern, this concern has played out for literally centuries. And, you know, this is the sort of Luddite, you know, the story of the Luddites that you may remember there was a panic in the 2000s around outsourcing was going to take all the jobs. There was a panic in the 2010s that robots were going to take all the jobs. In 2019, before COVID, we had more jobs at higher wages, both in the country and in the world than at any point in human history.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like it's not, it's not like the question always you want to ask somebody like that is do you want, you know, do you want your kid to be doing this job? And like most of them will tell you no, like I want my kid to be sitting in a cubicle somewhere like where they don't have this like where they don't die 10 years earlier and so the new jobs number one the new jobs are often better but you don't get the new jobs until you go through the change and then to your point the the training thing you know it's always the issue is can people adapt and again here you need to imagine living in a world in which everybody has the ai assistant capability right to be able to pick up new skills much more quickly and be able to have some you know be able to have a machine to work with to augment their skills”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Two things. One is that new jobs are often much better. So this actually came up that there was this panic about a decade ago on all the truck drivers are going to lose their jobs, right? And number one, that didn't happen because we haven't figured out a way to actually finish that yet. But the other thing was like, look, truck driver, like I grew up in a town that was basically consisted of a truck stop, right? And I knew a lot of truck drivers. And like truck drivers live a decade shorter than everybody else. It's actually like a very dangerous. Literally they have like higher rates of skin cancer. And on the left side of their body from being in the sun all the time, the vibration of being in the truck is actually very damaging to your physiology.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so very, very similar thing here. There's sort of a core fallacy, which again was very common in Marxism, which is what's called the lump of labor fallacy. And this is sort of the fallacy that there is only a fixed amount of work to be done in the world. And if it's all being done today by people, and then if machines do it, there's no other work to be done by people. And that's just a completely backwards view on how the economy develops and grows because what happens is not, in fact, that what happens is the introduction of technology into production process causes prices to fall as prices fall, consumers have more spending power. As consumers have more spending power, they create new demand. That new demand then causes capital and labor to form into new enterprises to satisfy nuance and needs. And the result is more jobs at higher wages.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Making the technology available to everybody. And again, smartphone, same thing. There's this amazing kind of twist in business history, which is you cannot spend $10,000 on a smartphone. You can't spend $100,000. You can't spend a million. Like, I would buy the million dollar smartphone like I'm signed up for it. Like if it's like, suppose a million dollar smartphone was like much better than the $1,000 smartphone. Like I'm there to buy it. It doesn't exist. Why doesn't it exist? Apple makes so much more money driving the price further down from $1,000 than they would trying to harvest. And so it's just this repeating pattern you see over and over again. And what's great about it, what's great about it is you do not need to rely on anybody's enlightened generosity to do this. You just need to rely on capitalist self-interest.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The largest market you can possibly get to is everybody on the planet. And so every large company does everything that it can to drive down prices to be able to get volumes up to be able to get to everybody on the planet. And that happened with everything from electricity. It happened with telephones. It happened with radio. It happened with automobiles. It happened with smartphones. It happened with PCs. It happened with the internet. It happened with mobile broadband. It's happened, by the way, with Coca-Cola. It's happened with every, you know, basically every industrially produced good or service. You want to drive it to the largest possible market. And then as proof of that, it's already happened, right? Which is the early adopters of ChatGPT and Bing are not like, you know, Exxon and Boeing. Your uncle and your nephew, right? It's just like, it's either freely available online or it's available for 20 bucks a month or something. But these things went this technology went mass market immediately. And so look, the owners of”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, this actually ironically goes back to Marxism. Because this was the code. So the core claim of Marxism, right? Basically, was that the owner, the owners of capital would basically own the means of production. And then over time, they would basically accumulate all the wealth. The workers would be paying in and getting nothing in return because they wouldn't be needed anymore. Marx was very worried about what he called mechanization or what later became known as automation. And the workers would be immiserated and the capitalists would end up with all. And so this was one of the core principles of Marxism. Of course, it turned out to be wrong about every previous wave of technology. The reason it turned out to be wrong about every previous wave of technology is that the way that the self-interested owner of the machines makes the most money is by providing the production capability in the form of products and services to the most people, the most customers as possible. The largest, and this is one of those funny things where every CEO knows this intuitively, and yet it's like hard to explain from the outside, the way you make the most money in any business is by selling to the largest market you can possibly get to.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so, if you're worried about AI generated pathogens, the right thing to do is to have a permanent Project Warp speed, funded lavishly. Let's do a talk about Manhattan. Let's do a Manhattan Project for Biological Defense. And let's build AIs and let's have broad spectrum vaccines where we're insulated from every pathogen.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, my argument is we're going to have to see here's my argument, my full argument is AI is going to be like air, it's gonna be everywhere. This is just gonna be in textbook. It already is. It's going to be in textbooks and kids are going to grow up knowing how to do this. And it's just going to be a thing. It's going to be in the air. And you can't pull this back anymore. You can pull back air. And so you just have to figure out how to live in this world, right? And then that's where I think all this hand wringing about AI risk is basically a complete waste of time because the effort should go into, okay, what is the defensive approach?”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, exactly. And so, like sitting here today, the breakthrough just happened, right? You made this point. Like the breakthrough just happened. So we don't know what the shape of this technology is going to be. I mean, the big shock here is that, you know, whatever number of billions of parameters basically represents at least a very big percentage of human thought, like who would have imagined that? And then there's already work underway. There was just this paper that just came out that basically takes a GPT three scale model and compresses it down to run on a single 32-core CPU. Like, who would have predicted that? You know, some of these models now you can run a Raspberry Pis. Like today, they're very slow, but maybe there'll be a real performance.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, so, but this goes, okay, so when does it become dangerous Is the danger that it's quote as powerful as the current leading commercial model, or is it that it is just at some other arbitrary threshold? And then, by the way, like, look, how do we know what we know today is that you need a lot of money to train these things, but there are advances being made every week on training efficiency and data, all kinds of synthetic. Look, I don't even like the synthetic data thing we're talking about, maybe some kid figures out a way to auto-generate synthetic data.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A 14 year old in Indonesia comes out with a breakthrough. You know, we talked about most great software comes from a small number of people. Some kid comes out with some big new breakthrough in quantization or something and has some huge breakthrough. And like, what are we going to invade Indonesia and arrest him?”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Nobody knows what to do with that, right? So, anyway, like there are big questions around how companies operate at all. So we can talk about those. But then there's this other question of like, okay, the open source. So what about open source? And my answer to your question is kind of like, obviously, yes, the models have, there has to be full open source here because to live in a world in which that open source is not allowed is a world of draconian speech control, human control, machine control. I mean, black helicopters with jack-booted thugs coming out, repelling down and seizing your GPU like territory. No, no, I'm 100% serious”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So look, I think it's totally appropriate. I actually want that. I would pay more money for the ones that's more heavily censored than the one that's not, and so there are certainly scenarios where companies will make that decision. Look, an interesting thing you brought up is this really a speech issue. One of the things that the big tech companies are dealing with is that content generated from an LLM is not covered under Section 230, which is the law that protects internet platform companies from being sued for the user-generated content. And so it's actually, yes, and so there's actually a question. I think there's still a question, which is, can big American companies actually feel generative AI at all, or is the liability actually going to just ultimately convince them that they can't do it because the minute the thing says something bad, and it doesn't even need to be hate speech, it could just be like, it could hallucinate a product, you know, detail on a vacuum cleaner, you know, and all of a sudden the vacuum cleaner company sues for misrepresentation. If there's any symmetry there, right? Because the...”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, and you have figures on the AIX risk side who are advocating potentially up to nuclear strikes to prevent this kind of thing. And so here you get into this thing. And again, you could maybe say this is, you know, you could even say this is what good, bad, or indifferent or whatever. But here's the comparison of nukes. The comparison of nukes is very dangerous because one is just nukes for just a bomb, although we can come back to nuclear power. But the other thing was like with nukes, you could control plutonium, right? You could track plutonium. And it was like hard to come by. AI is just math and code. And it's in like math textbooks and it's like there are YouTube videos that teach you how to build it and like there's open source. It's already open source. There's a 40 billion parameter model running around already called Falcon Online that anybody can download. And so, okay, you walk down the logic path that says we need to have guardrails on this and you find yourself in an authoritarian totalitarian regime of thought control and machine control that would be so brutal that you would have destroyed this.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“On the books. The third argument is the minute, and this is sort of the foundational one that gets really tough, but the minute you get into this thing, which you were kind of getting into, which is like, okay, but don't you need censorship sometimes, right? And don't you need restrictions sometimes? It's like, okay, what is the cost of that? And in particular, in the world of open source, right? And so is open source AI going to be allowed or not if open source AI is not allowed, then what is the regime that's going to be necessary legally and technically to prevent it from developing, right? And here again, is where you get into, and people have proposed these kinds of things, you get into, I would say, pretty extreme territory pretty fast. Do we have a monitor agent on every CPU and GPU that reports back to the government what we're doing with our computers? Are we seizing GPU clusters that get beyond a certain size? And then, by the way, how are we doing all that globally? And like if China is developing an LLM beyond the scale that we think is allowable, are we going to invade?”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Three print argument on bad people doing bad things. So number one, right? You can use the technology defensively. And we should be using AI to build broad spectrum vaccines and antibiotics for bioweapons. And we should be using AI to hunt terrorists and catch criminals. And we should be doing all kinds of stuff like that. And in fact, we should be doing those things even just to go get basically go eliminate risk from regular pathogens that aren't constructed by an AI. So there's the whole defensive set of things. Second is we have many laws on the books about the actual bad things, right? So it is actually illegal to be, you know, to commit crimes, to commit terrorist acts, to build pathogens with the intent to deploy them, to kill people. And so we have those, we actually don't need new laws for the vast majority of these scenarios. We actually already have the laws in the book.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, for example, I'm going to want the AI that my kid uses to be very child safe, and I'm going to want it to filter for him all kinds of inappropriate stuff that he shouldn't be saying just because he's a kid. And you see what I'm saying is you can implement that. Architecturally, you could say you can solve this on the client side, right? Solving on the server side gives you an opportunity to dictate for the entire world, which I think is where you take the slippery slope to hell. There's another architectural approach, which is to solve this on the client side, which is certainly what I would endorse.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, there's another, there's an entirely different approach here, which is basically we have AIs that are producing content. We could also have AIs that are consuming content. And so one of the things that your assistant could do for you is help you consume all the content and basically tell you when you're getting played.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Reason for optimism is what Elon is doing with community nodes. So community notes is actually a very interesting thing. So what Elon is trying to do with community notes is he's trying to have it where there's only a community note when people who have previously disagreed on many topics agree on this one.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And there's a section, later section of the essay where I talk about bad people doing bad things And there's a set of things that we should discuss there. What happens in practice is, as you alluded to this already, these lines are not easy to draw. And what I've observed in the social media version of this is the way I describe it as the slippery slope is not a fallacy. It's an inevitability. The minute you have this kind of activist personality that gets in a position to make these decisions, they take it straight to infinity. It goes into the crazy zone almost immediately and never comes back because people become drunk with power, right? Look, if you're in the position to determine what the entire world thinks and feels and reads and says, you're going to take it. And, you know, Elon has ventilated this with the Twitter files over the last three months. And it's just like crystal clear like how bad it got there.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, look, would I like to live in a world in which everybody was nice to each other all the time and nobody ever said anything mean and nobody ever used a bad word and everything was always accurate and honest, like that sounds great. Do I want to live in a world where there's like a centralized thought police working through the tech companies to enforce the view of a small set of elites that they're going to determine what the rest of us think and feel? Like absolutely not.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's an interesting question. So, a couple observations. So, one is the people who find this the most frustrating are the people who are worried about the murder robots. Right. And in fact, the so-called X-risk people, they started with the term AI safety. The term became AI alignment. When the term became AI alignment is when this switch happened from where worried is going to kill us all to we're worried about haste species and misinformation. The AI exc people have now renamed their”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't even really want to even argue the pros and cons of the sides just to observe that that's been like a huge fight and has had big consequences to how these companies operate. Basically that same sets of theories, that same activist approach, that same energy is being transplanted straight to AI. And you see that already happening. It's why ChatGPT will answer, let's say, certain questions and not others. It's why it gives you the canned speech about whenever it starts with as a large language model, I cannot, you know, basically means that somebody has reached in there and told that it can't talk about certain topics.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so this is the social media. This is what you just alluded to it's the activism kind of thing that's popped up in these companies in the industry. And it's basically, from my perspective, it's basically part two of the war that played out over social media over the last 10 years. Because you probably remember social media 10 years ago was basically who even wants this, who wants a photo of what your cat had for breakfast. Like this stuff is silly and trivial. And why can't these nerds figure out how to invent something useful and powerful? And then, you know, certain things happened in the political system. And then it's sort of the polarity on that discussion switched all the way to social media is like the worst, most corrosive, most terrible, most awful technology ever invented, and then it leads to terrible, the wrong, you know, politicians and policies and politics and like and all this stuff. And that all got catalyzed into this very big kind of angry movement, both inside and outside the companies to kind of bring social media to heal. And that got focused in particular on two topics, so-called hate speech and so-called misinformation. And that's been this saga playing out for the last decade.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This goes back to where we started, which is okay, who has the truth? And it's like, well, you know, like, how do societies arrive at truth? And how do we figure these things out? And like our elected leaders play some role in it. You know, we all play some role in it. There have to be some set of public intellectuals at some point that bring rationality and judgment and humility to it. Those people are few and far between. We should probably prize them very highly”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So the claim is, of course, they're the knowledgeable ones, but the problem is they've spent their entire life in a lab, right? They're not theologians. So what you find when you read this, when you look at these histories, what you find is they generally are very thinly informed on history. Sociology on theology, on morality, on ethics, they tend to manufacture their own worldviews from scratch. They tend to be very sort of thin. They're not remotely the arguments that you would be having if you got like a group of highly qualified theologians or philosophers or, you know,”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, the history of these fields, this is what he talks about in the book, the history of these fields is that the competence and capability and intelligence and training and accomplishments of senior scientists and technologists working on technology and then being able to then make moral judgments in the use of the technology, that track record is terrible. That track record is like catastrophically bad.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, this is the thing, and this is the general principle thing, which is like, I don't know whether any of these people should be making any of these calls. Because there's nothing in either von Neumann's background or Oppenheimer's background or any of these people's background that qualifies them as moral authorities.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Meaning is that this is on the other side. So most of the case studies in books like this are the crazy people on the left. Von Neumann is a story arguably of the crazy people on the right.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Annoyment. Yes. Because he said World War III is inevitable. He was very hardcore. His theory was World War III is inevitable. We're definitely going to have World War III. The only way to stop World War III is we have to take them out right now and we have to take them out right now before they get the bomb because this is our last chance. Again,”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Okay, so the full version of the story is John von Neumann's a hero of both yours and mine. The full version of the story is he advocated for a first strike. So when the US had the bomb and Russia did not, he advocated for, he said, we need to strike them right now.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are people to this day who think that those Soviet spies did the right thing because they created a balance of terror as opposed to the US having just, and by the way, let me”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was the argument for handing the book that was the guys who handed over the bond? That was actually their moral argument.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You could have. By the way, there's another hypothetical scenario. The other hypothetical scenario is that Americans got the bomb. The Russians didn't, right? And then America's the big dog. And then maybe America would have had. I don't know whether that would have happened, but it's entirely possible. And the act of these people who had these moral positions about because they could forecast, they could model, they could forecast the future of how this technology get used made a horrific mistake because they basically ensured that the Iron Curtain would continue for 50 years longer than it would have otherwise. And again, these are counterfactuals. I don't know that that's what would have happened. But the decision to hand the bomb over was a big decision. Made by people who were very full of themselves.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They prevented World War III through the game theory of mutually assured destruction. Had nukes not existed, right? There would have been no reason why the Cold War did not go hot, right? And then, you know, and the military planners at the time, right, thought both on both sides thought that there was going to be World War III on the plains of Europe, and they thought there was going to be like 100 million people dead. It was like the most obvious thing in the world to happen. And it's the dog that didn't bark, right? It may be like the best single net thing that happened in the entire 20th century is that that didn't happen”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, sure, of course. Let's get to what actually happened and then kind of back into that. So, what actually happened, I believe, and again, I think this is a reasonable reading of history, is what actually happened was New Extend prevented World War III.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“AI, although he did just speak at a Chinese conference, which is interesting. But, however, I don't think that's what's at play here. But what's at play here are all these other fundamental issues around what do we believe about this and then what laws and regulations and restrictions are we going to put on it. And that's where I draw like a direct straight line. And anyway, in my reading of the history on Nukes is like the people who were doing the full hair shirt public, this is awful. This is terrible, actually had catastrophically bad results from taking those views. And that's what I'm worried is going to happen again”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so the moral beliefs on this thing and the public discussion and the role that the inventors of this technology play, this is the point of this book when they kind of take on this sort of public intellectual moral kind of thing. It can have real consequences, right? Because we live in a very different world today because Russia got the bomb than we would have lived in had they not gotten the bomb, right? The entire 20th century, second half of the 20th century, would have played out very different had those people not given Russia the bomb. And so the stakes were very high then. The good news today is nobody sitting here today. I don't think worrying about like an analogous situation with respect to like I'm not really worried that Sam Altman is going to decide to give, you know, the Chinese the design for.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Had that this thing is awful and terrible, and oh my god, and you know, all this stuff, you could argue fed into this ethos at the time that resulted in people thinking that the Baptists thinking that the only principal thing to do was to give the Russians the bomb.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And what actually happened was Russia invented the bomb. Russia got the bomb. They got the bomb through espionage. They got American and they got American scientists and foreign scientists working on the American project, some combination of the two basically gave the Russians the designs for the bomb. And that's how the Russians got the bomb. There's this dispute to this day of Oppenheimer's role in that. If you read all the histories, the kind of composite picture, and by the way, we now know a lot actually about Soviet espionage in that era because there's been all this declassified material in the last 20 years that actually shows a lot of very interesting things. But if you kind of read all the histories, what you kind of get is Oppenheimer himself probably was not a, he probably did not hand over the nuclear secrets himself. However, he was close to many people who did, including family members. And there were other members of the Manhattan Project who were Russian Soviet assets and did hand over the bomb. And so the view that Oppenheimer and people like him.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So the critique goes deeper, and I left this out. Here's the real substance I left it out because I didn't want to dwell on nukes in my AI paper. But here's the deeper thing that happened. And I'm really curious, this movie coming out this summer. I'm really curious to see how far he pushes this because this is the real drama in the story, which is it wasn't just a question of our nukes good or bad. It was a question of should Russia also have them.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is von Nomer's criticism of him as he tried to have his cake and eat it too. Like he wanted to, and so Van Neumann, of course, is a very different kind of personality, and he's just like, yeah, this is like an incredibly useful thing. I'm glad we did it.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because Oppenheimer didn't just say the famous line He then spent years going around basically moaning him, you know, going on TV and going into the White House and basically just doing this hair shirt thing, this sort of self-critical, like, oh my God, I can't believe how awful I am.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, again, you're back to, I mean, then you're back to a classic autistic computer, right? Like you're back to just a blind rule follower. I've got this core is the paperclip thing. I've got this core rule and I'm just going to follow it to the end of the earth. And it's like, well, but everything you're going to be doing to execute that rule is going to be super genius level that humans aren't going to be able to counter. It's just a mismatch in the definition of what the system is capable of.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If they're smart enough to be scary, why are they not smart enough to be wise? Like, that's the part where it's like, I don't know how you get the one without the other.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“LMs are really, this is actually worth spending a moment on. LMs are really interesting to have moral conversations with. And that I didn't expect I'd be having a moral conversation with the machine in my lifetime. Well,”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, you can create the scenario. What would you as the AI do in the circumstance? And they don't just say, destroy all humans, destroy all humans. They will give you actually very nuanced moral, practical, trade-off-oriented answers. So, we actually already have the kind of AI that can actually think this through and can actually reason about goals.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One more sleight of hand. These things are going to be so smart, right? That they're going to be able to destroy the world and wreak havoc and do all this stuff and plan and do all this stuff and evade us and have all their secret things and their secret factories and all this stuff. But they're so stupid. That they're going to get tangled up in their code, and that's they're not going to come alive, but there's going to be some bug that's going to cause them to turn us all in a paper. That they're going to be genius in every way other than the actual bad goal. And it's just like, and that's just like a ridiculous discrepancy. And you can prove this today. You can actually address this today for the first time with LLMs, which is you can actually ask LLMs to resolve moral dilemmas.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source