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“So, one of the things, let's get into that idea, Paul. I was going to talk about it a lot because I obviously write about tech quite a bit. When you're talking about the future Paul, you're talking about the future of civil discourse then. Like how do we conduct civil discourse? One of your books I think you were talking a lot about the founding fathers, how they discoursed, and they actually warned about a lot of this many times because they themselves had this issue. Talk a little bit about the civil discourse right now, and then I want to get into sort of what the impact of tech has on it, because that's been a big topic for”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so I think people are fine. And if you look at the polls, if you look at issue after issue, we're a left-of-center country. Our beliefs about things on a policy level are not the problem. Our consciousness is not the problem. The problem is the divergence, the critical and critically dangerous divergence between the consciousness or the will of the American people and the way our government operates. And that's because our government does more to advocate for short-term profits, for huge multinational corporate entities than it does to advocate for the safety and the health and well-being of the American people.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We've stopped asking well, is that tax code really doing right by the majority of people? Are we doing right by the planet? You know, we can't be great if we're not good. So that, I don't remember what the original question was.”
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“The American people are not the problem here. I think we're very good, decent people, not better than other people, but I think the average American, I mean, I travel, I've traveled so extensively for 35 years. We're a very decent people. I find the American, the average American wants to be good, wants to do good by other people, wants to feel that everybody can have a fair shot, has a conscience, wants to feel that they're in right relationship, character matters, integrity matters. The problem, as I said, is that over the last few decades, we've stopped having that conversation regarding the public domain. So we'll ask if I'm in a relationship with you, I'll ask, what am I doing right by you? But I need to also be asking, are we doing right by Yemen?”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Quite a lot about it. It's sort of a mirror, you know what I mean, rather than he's so unusual. I always find that he's not unusual in any way, but what have you learned then for running as, I guess, a non-politician?”
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“I'm living. I think actually Trump represents the opposite side of that because he does represent the id of sort of the ugly id of a lot of people. It's interesting because when people talk about Prumpy, he's so unusual. I'm like, I don't think he's unusual at all. I think he's articulating.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My conversation is not weird. They're weird. I'm living in America in 2019. This is America today. The conventional political establishment with its overly externalized mechanistic perspective is stuck somewhere in 1985. In 2019, this is how we talk. If you were sitting down with the people in your business and about your radio show, I'll bet you that you would not just talk about the externals, but people might talk about how it feels around here, what the sort of forces are, like how I feel emotionally when you said this or that. We have an integrative approach to life now. No one that I know thinks that we change things deeply by only talking about what's going on on the outside. So the perspective that dominates our traditional conventional political system, it's increasingly diminishing. It's not the way people look at the rest of life.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's partly about being a woman, it's partly about being from a non- It's not that it's non traditional because I think my spirituality in many ways is very traditional actually. My religious and spiritual beliefs are more traditional than people seem to think, but it's non-contextualized within the establishment denomination, even though that itself is mainstream America today. The unchurched is the largest growing denomination. You know, this is what I find so interesting about conventional politics.”
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“Thank you for that was beyond what I could And he writes many articles that I have great respect for. It's just that, what is this?”
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“Yeah, exactly. And this calling me Wackado, someone calling me Wackado who supported with great passion the Iraq war, what? That was sober leadership.”
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“Speeches of Martin Luther King sometime. This has less to do with entertaining the seriousness of love and more to do, I believe, with entertaining the seriousness of love when it is spoken by me because of people who for their own political agendas”
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“They do. It's only because of the cynicism of the times in which we live. There is absolutely no logic to it. If you look at the two brightest lights of the political lights of the 20th century, they were Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, both of whom achieved extraordinary political success, both on the notion of a spirit within us. Love, as King said, Gandhi was the first person in human history to take the ethic of love and lift it beyond personal interaction and turn it into a broad-scale social force for good. Gandhi said that the love that heals personal relationships can heal political and economic and social relationships as well. I think there's a lot of, you know, as I said, I think it's quoted in that article, and I have respect for David Brooks, but if he says it, it's considered profound. If I say it, it's considered New Age something to mock. You could take some...”
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“Political efficacy that can derive from that? Why would we doubt the political efficacy that can derive from enough of us getting together, committed to conscience and mercy and shelter? Well, answer that question.”
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“Nobody doubts the political effectiveness of hate. Nobody doubts how much damage racists and bigots and homophobes and anti-Semites and xenophobes and Islamophobes can do when you take all that feeling, all that psychological and emotional force and you wrap it up and you make it a resonant field and you give it a political form, nobody doubts.”
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“This is a time where a lot of the candidates are talking about too much hate and we've got to do something about it. Your message is almost one of the fundamental messages about love. And it was interesting is why does that so made fun of? Like that a concept.”
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“Than the conventional. I mean, this is one of the messages you're thinking. You know, I know everyone's talking about the taffy piece, which I thought was lovely actually in the times. I love Taffy Ackner. I think she's one of the, she's just so smart in lots of ways. And one of the things that she had that I thought was super interesting is that I'm going to paraphrase it because I can't, where is the thing, was the idea that people are talking about not being, I don't have it right here, here it is. I didn't understand why the only complaint I ever heard was that there was so much hate, why love was so hard to swallow.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so there's so much more, just like there was so much rage going on last time that the conventional political establishment did not register, there's so much goodness and decency and hunger for something more heartfelt going on this time than the conventional. We'll talk about that well established.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think the media is a monolith. There are some who just toe the line with whatever the corporate media is saying to a frightening degree given the lack of journalistic ethics that that involves sometimes. People will just repeat a story, repeat a stereotype, repeat a mischaracterization just because clearly it'll get, it's clickbait. I find that terrifying. But on the other hand, I met some very smart deep-thinking media reporters, et cetera, who are on the ground. They see what's going on. And many have told me on the left and on the right about my candidacy, there's something going on with you that the polls are not reporting. The polls are not reflecting. There are many people who support my candidacy who've never even voted in a primary before. There are millions of people, you know, who will be voting for the first time this year because they weren't even born in the 20th century.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I was in an interesting meeting with a lot of, I was at a dinner in Washington with a lot of political reporters, and I'm not a political reporter. And they were saying how Trump couldn't win. Like, oh, this ridiculous. He's a circus, this and that. And I was like, here I am, a lesbian from San Francisco. I'm like, he's somewhat appealing to me in a weird way, which is disturbing to me. Secondly, none of you have watched The Apprentice. He's very popular. Thirdly, what are you going to do to stop him? And it was really interesting because a lot of them said the party will stop them. The Republicans will stop them. And I'm like, who? Like, who does that? Is there like a like a gun? Is there like a thing they stop? Like, what can they do to stop? And it was a really interesting thing because it never occurred to them they couldn't stop. Like they said the party would stop, the establishment would stop. And it didn't seem like that was.”
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“This way of affirming, of course, you could never win, this way of affirming she's a long shot. And it has an effect. You were talking about social media. It has an effect on people's thinking. Although I find it ironic that Republicans didn't care what the RNC said. They wanted Trump, so they voted for Trump. How weird that we should be the party where there's almost less free thinking”
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“I know. And I think there's a real problem with a system that puts the word longshot. Before your name every time you're even mentioned.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What are you running for now? I don't want to know why you're not. I don't want to know why you're not getting out or anything like that. I don't care. If you want to want to, you can, I agree with you. I think there should be more discourse. I think there should be more debate. I think things should be slowed down 100%. And I don't mind a lot of people. Everyone always says there's 20. I'm like, so what? That's great. Good, good. But what I want to know is what you're trying to do now, given your state where you are. Now you have been higher than a lot of the candidates, a lot of those long-term candidates, people who have been running forever. What is your goal right now in the race?”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The voters are not children. That's part of the conventional political establishment corruption. They treat people like their children. People are adults. They can hold two thoughts at the same time and think. We're not out there fighting with each other. That's not what's going on here. And so I believe that that excuse is...”
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“I agree with you. We're not arguing with each other. I find that a bogus and even illogical claim. You know, somebody says you can't get people too many choices. You can't give children too many choices.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's part of the rushing because of the worry to have an electable candidate, you know, the idea that we have to get down and so we're not the Democrats aren't arguing with each other. I agree with you.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Deeply reflect on this. This is the most significant election, not just of our lifetime. One of the most significant elections in American history. And who, for those of us who do not support the agenda of the president, for those of us who think that the idea of his getting a second term is nothing short of chilling. The decision of who would be best to run against him is one of the deepest, most important decisions we will ever make. This should not be rushed The political system should be supporting people going as deep into their thinking about this to find our real wisdom and our real psychological perspicacity. There's so much involved here. It's policies. It's psychology. It's how people perceive. Don't rush this, don't I feel strongly this should not be rushed. This should not be shut down.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you are a non establishment candidate like myself, it takes people time. Do understand what you say, who you are, particularly since there are so many forces seeking to obstruct that. And my experience of the voters is that they're just starting to.”
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“How many calls I'm not in the third debate? Yeah, exactly. I think the role of a political institution such as a political party is to facilitate the process of democracy, not dictate the process of democracy. I'm someone who thinks it's actually very healthy for the Democratic Party and for our democracy.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, great. And I want to talk to you about a lot of things. I told you earlier I was going to talk more sort of focused on discourse and everything else. But, you know, if I was a typical Washington political reporter, I'd ask you why you're still in the race. I'd ask you all kinds of things. I don't want to talk about that, but I want to know why you're still in the race now.”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Identify myself as a woman, as a mother, in terms of this campaign. I think the fact that I've written about inspirational subjects, non-denominational faith leader. Right. Activ”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hi, I'm Kara Swisher, editor at large of Recode. You may know me as the author of a self-help book that teaches you how to overcome your addiction to buying self-help books, but in my spare time I talk tech and you're listening to Recode Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today in the red chair is Marianne Williamson, a spiritual teacher and best-selling author who has written books such as A Return to Love and a Woman's Worth. But this year she has become much more famous as one of the Democrats running for President of the United States. Marianne, welcome to Rico Decode. How would you describe yourself?”
2019-09-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT