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  1. “You know, a couple hours go by, and I start thinking to myself, I'm like, that's who I want bargaining on my behalf, you know? If I have like a six or seven figure negotiation with somebody like.”

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  2. “Over that question, they couldn't really give me a satisfying answer. So my agent, her name's Molly, at the time she wasn't at CAA. She was at a small boutique agency in New York. So I get on the phone with her and we start having a conversation and she's constantly interrupting me. She's constantly talking over me. She's very aggressive and assertive to the point that I'm getting a little bit uncomfortable talking to her. And so I throw out my gotcha question, you know, like, why should I even publish a book at all? You know, I could self-publish a book and keep all the royalties for myself. And she kind of sat there silently. And she was like, Well, figure out what the hell you want to do. Stop wasting my time. Call me if you want to publish a book and like hung up on me. And I was like, God damn. All right.”

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  3. “So my blog blew up in 2014, 2013, 2014. It kind of went from maybe 100,000 readers to a million, million and a half. And around that time, agents and publishers started coming knocking asking if I wanted to turn some of my work into a book. And so I had a number. And at that time, again, homegrown internet guy, I self-published my first book. I've been selling online courses since 2010. I've always had a little bit of an irrational like I want to do it myself mentality, but back then I had a very, very irrational. I want to do it myself mentality. So a lot of my calls with these editors and agents was basically me just being a bit of a dick and being like, why should I publish a book at all? Why shouldn't I just self-publish? I get way more royalties or whatever. It was funny because pretty much everybody in the publishing industry kind of stumbled.”

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  4. “By the time they get to the interview, they've basically shown that they are completely qualified to do the work. They're probably going to do a great job. The interviews for me, it's 99% looking for intangibles, looking for personality, character. I usually try to get a sense of what their values are, get a sense of how resilient they are. Do they take responsibility for themselves? A little bit about their background, things like that, but also just like, do I get along with them? Do I like talking to them? Do we have a sense of humor that meshes well? Things like that.”

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  5. “And so from that, I'll narrow it down to three to five people and then those people I'll do face-to-face Zoom interviews until I find the one that feels like the right fit.”

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  6. “To graduate school at Manson University, exactly So I'll filter those down to 20 to 30 strong candidates, people who meet the requirements and seem smart and talented and driven. And then I'll actually give them a few small pieces of work to do, like example tasks similar to what the position is hiring for. And I'll give them a deadline to meet it at. It's always funny because there's always at least two or three people who immediately complain about this and they say, this is slave labor. You're taking advantage of us. You know, you're using us to crowdsource ideas for yourself, which is silly because I understand why they think that, but I think anybody who is in our industry understands that ideas aren't the thing that matter.”

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  7. “Yeah, or anything that doesn't, because I'll set standards on the application page. So I'll tell them anything that doesn't meet the application standards, like just kick out. So this most recent round of hiring, I'm hiring a video team to start doing more video content. And I ask for at least three years of professional full-time experience in, you know, whether it's TV, film, YouTube, whatever. And sure enough, you get 200 applications from people who have never held a camera before, but they're really ready to learn. They can't wait to learn Tim. So it's nice to have somebody to kind of just go and.”

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  8. “I will create a temporary page for the position. I usually go through three steps. So I have the initial application, it asks for the generic stuff, resume, cover letter. I'll usually ask a few cute questions in there. What are your three favorite books? What was the last? Risk that you took, major risk you took in your life and what happened, things like that. Although as the years have gone on, I'm discovering that those questions aren't really great filters. So I'll do that. You know, that's kind of the first round. I'll get hundreds and hundreds of applications. And then I narrow it down to say 20 to 30 people.”

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  9. “I've always find them through my email list and my subscribers. I've tried through kind of conventional job searching venues and I just, you get so much extra leverage from, I guess, the fan relationship. Generally, every time I ask for applications through my own audience, the people who apply are almost comically overqualified. the talent level is through the roof. And a lot of that is just Love my work. They've been reading it for years. That earns you a lot of clout.”

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  10. “Two days before we're recording this, we completely redesigned my site and relaunched my newsletter. It was a multi-month project. I know the guys that I have, I know I don't have to look over the shoulder. I know they're going to get it done. I know it's going to be well done. A lot of that is simply because I've been with them for so long and they've been with me for so long.”

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  11. “And I also just, you know, there's something to be said with. The trust and loyalty. I don't know how you measure that, but the trust and loyalty that comes with working with somebody for 10 years. So we just”

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  12. “Exceptional talent. Them very well and then sticking with them over a long period of time. So I've never had an employee leave. And two of my guys, one's been with me for 10 years, one's been with me for almost nine, and then the other two have been with me for about three or four, which in the web world is crazy. That's like crazy talk. I have entrepreneur friends with online businesses and they look at me and they're like, are you nuts? You could pay these people half as much. I'm like, yeah, but I'd be hiring, you know, every six months.”

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  13. “So at a certain point, I just went out and hired people with graduate degrees at psychology and said, look, can you just make sure I'm not putting my foot in my mouth or giving terrible advice? So a lot of times I'll go to her and I'll say, I've been thinking about an article on, say, the negative side effects of self-esteem. Can you go out there, like find all the research and data? What are the studies? Are they good studies? Were they done well? And then just summarize it for me. And then, you know, if I want to dig into it with her, I can. She's been invaluable. It's almost like outsourcing a piece of my brain to somebody. And it's been very helpful.”

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  14. “I don't have a graduate degree in psychology yet. I consistently find myself in the sticky situation of having to say something that feels somewhat authoritative. I mean, I'm sure you're in this position a lot too.”

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  15. “It opens up all these crossover opportunities into film, into TV. It's how I ended up doing Will's book, or a big part of why I ended up doing Will's book. So she's great. I have my web team, which is four full-time people. I have a researcher. I have a content guy that is his official title, Content Guy. Because it's just, he just wears a lot of hats and he kind of makes everything run. I have a tech developer tech slash development guy. And then I have a social media manager. It's all in-house. Everything we do is in-house. All the design, the tech stuff, the promotion, the marketing, everything. We use a few freelancers if we're doing like video content, stuff like that. But yeah, that's the team right now.”

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  16. “Global bestseller. Step one sell 10 million books. Step two. A lot of inbound. Yeah, not very reproducible. In terms of your question about teams. So I have my agent at CAA, and she's phenomenal. She's amazing. And the amazing thing about her being at CAA is that”

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  17. “Yes, it was. The production company is actually based in New Zealand, but we were originally going to do it in New York. But then when COVID happened, I used it also as an opportunity to just get the hell away from COVID. So during this whole process, they're telling me we're going to have a theatrical release. We're going to take it to festivals. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. I'm sure we're going to talk about Will later, but maybe from being around Will, I just kind of became jaded of like Hollywood people. I was just like, yeah, sure. While not really believing it. Sure enough, we're a month out. It's coming out. It's going to have a limited theatrical release. It's going to be available online. And I seem to be the one who's like, wait, this is actually happening. It's like I'm the last one who's actually realizing that this is happening.”

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  18. “production company and they're like guess what we got financed by universal and i was like okay what does that mean they're like you're gonna have a movie you idiot do you want to be in it you know and i was like Sure, why not? And then from there, you know, next thing I know I'm on a plane, I'm flying down to New Zealand, I'm meeting with the production company, I'm meeting with directors”

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  19. “Was some pretty off the wall stuff. There was some stuff that I couldn't ever imagine myself doing. And I told my agent, I said, you know, if we do any of these deals, it's really important. The only reason I think I'm ever going to do a film or a TV show is to simply spread these same ideas to people who don't read books. To me, that's the only reason to do this. So when the offer for a documentary came through from a production company that specializes in documentaries and has done a bunch of them based on books before, To me, it just seemed like a very logical fit. I was like, okay, if I was to ever have a movie that is the kind of project that I would do, I would feel good about. My agent told me, she said, these things never get made. Don't get your hopes up. I was like, okay, cool. I don't really, I've never had any ambition to have a movie or be in the movies. So I was like, cool. Kind of forgot about it. A year and a half goes by and I get a phone call.”

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  20. “Yes, to my book agent. I know you know this, but for everybody else, it's pretty common for film and TV studios to buy up rights to best-selling books without any intention of actually doing anything with them. It's kind of just like a land grab, just in case, you know, so-and-so director one day is like, I love that book. I want to do a thing with it. They already own it. Out of all these offers that came through, you know,”

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  21. “I was like, wow, this sucks. I miss my blog. I miss the emails from my readers. Like, I don't want to do this. This is such a pain in the ass. We have Zoom calls with 11 people on them, and I don't know who half the people are. That's been a pretty eye-opening thing the last few years.”

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  22. “Would say actually the biggest thing, and this is kind of a broad thing, but I think you and I are very similar in that we started as online blog guys. And I think when you come up in the internet world, even if you amass a very large audience, at least for me, there was always a little bit of this chip on my shoulder of like I'm not a real writer. Like, I don't have an article in a magazine. There hasn't been a profile on me in a newspaper. And there seem to be kind of like an invisible wall between me and that world. And so for a number of years, I really, really wanted that, for lack of a better term, mainstream media attention, just kind of like that nod of respect of like, yeah, kid, you did it. When I started getting that and started And engaging with a lot of legacy media.”

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  23. “To have a lot of possessions, but for some reason when it was time to buy a house, I'm like, you know what? Let's just get all the rooms. You know, I have nothing to put in them, but let's get them all. And that was just an unbelievable mistake that really made my life a headache for a while.”

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  24. “There's no tears shed. Yes, no sympathy whatsoever. Like, oh, boohoo, poor author sold 3 million books or whatever. So it really caught me off guard. And there was a little bit imposter syndrome, which I think comes with any sort of monumental success. There was a little bit of, what do I do now? Like, how do I follow this up? A lot of insecurity of am I ever going to do anything that's meaningful or noteworthy again? And I struggled with that for a number of years. That was just kind of on the emotional and personal side that doesn't even get into like relationships and money. I feel like it's almost like a prerequisite to being quote-unquote wealthy is you have to spend money on something stupid that you regret. Like I just feel like that is a non-negotiable. You're not really wealthy until you've done that at some point. So I went through a couple of those experiences.”

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  25. “And to my surprise is that there was just this profound kind of emptiness on the other side of that of, oh, shit, what do I dream now? Like, what do I hope for in my future? And so very unexpectedly, it kind of, I spiraled into a little bit of a funk, like a little bit of a depression. And the worst thing about that type of depression is nobody wants to hear you talk about it.”

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  26. “Most surprising thing and the most difficult thing at the same time was in subtle art not giving a fuck came out in 2016. It hit number one early 2017, and by mid 2017, it was just off to the races. I think it sold like two or three million copies just that year. And for me, it was very strange. I mean, obviously, there was a lot of happiness and joy, but for me, it was very strange because as a young author with their first traditionally published book, I had all of these long-term goals and dreams and visions for myself of like I'm going to be writing until I'm 50 and maybe one day I'll be on the Times list and maybe one day I'll get invited on a morning show. And I hit all those dreams in like three months, basically.”

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  27. “Feel like we could do the entire show just on this. You could do it probably do an entire episode. Maybe you could get an all-star guest list of what people don't tell you about success.”

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