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Peter Kyle

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“We have the second largest creative arts sector in the world. We have the third largest AI market in the world. And what I'm being asked to do is to choose between one or t'other. The copyright laws are 300 years old and there is one reality which is immutable and that is that all of the data that people are worried about has already been scraped and used by AI companies because not one of them, not one of them is domiciled in the UK. So unless you have international copyright attached to your work which is respected in California, then your data has already been subsumed into the AI system. And when it comes to China, they have no regard for any copyright anywhere in the world. So it's already been up there in it.”
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“So, this is a leftover from the previous administration. The Lords have attached amendments on this to this bill. And what I have tried to do is to separate so that and give a specific moment to Parliament to look at the issue you've raised, which is about how the relationship between the creative arts sector and AI can interact in the modern times. I've said the consultation which closed recently, and I will legislate fully on the back of that. And I'll be setting out exactly what the red lines are in the coming period on it. But I need to listen to the consultation in order to do so. But I've been forced into this debate now because of an amendment that attached a different piece of legislation. Now, if I could just say one thing on this.”
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“Indeed, I understand that. So let's just understand exactly what I am doing. So I have a data bill going through Parliament at the moment. You will understand this because the data bill is actually about keeping us in compliance with the EU for data sharing across. Now, if we don't do that by June, then we fall out and all data for commercial and government businesses cannot pass the English Channel.”
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“I think people who are in the creative sector are extraordinary. And the thing that's extraordinary about their profession is it's not just going to work and coming home at five o'clock and getting on with life. For them, it is”
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“With Europe on a whole load of grounds have got to be sort of rehabilitated and got to work together. But Europe has these same problems at all. You will know the Draghi report that came out a little while ago that spoke exactly in the terms that I am. But we will work with Europe on those key things where there is areas of mutual benefit. But there are certain things that we can do right now as a country and we need to be focusing on them, exploiting them for the good of our domestic economy and people who live in Britain and that includes also transforming the way we do government because I've got a lot to say on the way that we modernise government for the moment we're living in in the future.”
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“In the global world, we should be partnering with our global allies, and also we should be making sure that where there is China that is waiting there to try and get in and influence, we need to strengthen those as well. So look, Australia and Japan, incredibly influential partners. And in the digital age, that kind of innovation and the robotics and the use of digital technology in Japan is fundamentally important. Just bear this one statistic in mind. Since 2010, if you take technological stock, the stock of tech companies, it's increased by 400%. If you aggregate all other remaining sectors, then it's about 10%. And we have been sort of rooted in the 10%, not where the real growth has come from. If you took Silicon Valley out of America, they'd have the same productivity gains as Europe. We've been sitting on the sidelines here. So there are lots of reasons why we have to do this. And of course our relationship.”
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“But in a global world, we should be having global partnerships. And you keep coming back to one particular bit, which is our neighbors.”
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“In this latest one, which is about digital infrastructure and use of digital and the way that digital is going to transform absolutely everything. So we have to get there.”
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“Go back to one of the first questions you asked me, and that's what we're doing by investing so heavily. I mean, literally heavily in AI and the infrastructure for it. We have to be able to innovate, upscale, and allow companies and partnerships between public and private sectors to innovate and commercialize in a way that we have to get that done better. So that is for sovereign purposes. It's just simply so our economy can be rooted in where the growth of the future is. But also it comes down to the hard and soft power that I mentioned and the economic wealth that I've been mentioning all the way through this. The fundamentals are exactly the same and it's not new for this century. For this moment, you know, in every century, you know, you're relevant if you are rooted in where the economic opportunities are. That's why Britain's done so well as what is a fairly small geographic country. We were ahead at the first industrial revolution. We were really good at the two revolutions that came after it. But at the moment, we've been really, really behind.”
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“What the expectations of Britain is and what I have and what Kia have and what our government has of them should they come to Britain and operate here and I hope those families would be proud of the words that I say at least content with the words that I use”
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“Bees was even richer for the purpose, well, for their commercial purposes, and look at what they've done, they've done with it. And you look at what they're doing with data, supercomputing, they're putting 3,500 satellites in the space. This is what they're doing. Now, you as a state going along to that, the relationship has to be sophisticated. Look, I do have tests for myself when I have these meetings because I have the privilege of meeting people very, very senior, chief exec and presidents of these companies. And when I sit with them, I hope, because in the very, very first week that I had this job, I brought in victims of social media harm and I sat with parents who have lost children to online activity, and I listened to them, and I've had them in again every before making announcements, before I've done things that might be challenging for them. I speak to them directly. And I hope when I end these meetings, that yes, I am there to beat the drum for Britain and investment and the like, but I always will.”
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“I just wouldn't say it's a country because it's not everything it's in singular purposes. So let me just give you this one example. If you take the big five, six companies, tech companies, most of them will be spending more on R&D. Amazon, for example, spends more on R&D in singular technological development than the entire British state does in public R&D.”
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“And what we've just seen in the last two years or so, maybe a bit longer, that's happened in Silicon Valley. And that's something that feels very new. Actually, previous generations have dealt with it in the past, you know, with oil companies and others. And you look at some of the Vanderbilts and the rest of it in America, the East India Company here, it happens. This has now happened with the tech world. Again, there are individuals out there, but there are also these big companies. And just to give you a sense of why we need to be, and I got into a little bit of controversy for saying that we need to act with humility. What I actually meant with that is that I can't sit in Whitehall anymore, or we can't sit in Whitehall, Brussels or Washington anymore, and legislate and regulate to get these companies to do what we want them to do. Actually, we have to deploy statecraft in a way in addition to legislation, in addition to regulation. We have to deploy statecraft.”
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“There is no question that some of the companies in the tech world have a power that very few companies in the past have ever had. You have to go back quite a long way to find it. I think the challenge has been, and what we've seen in the last, I hate commentating. I promised myself I wouldn't commentate. So, if you look at Silicon Valley, if you look at big rising sectors in the past, when a breakthrough sector emerges in the past, there is a time when it reaches a certain power, economic power that ends up getting into politics.”
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“And our laws haven't changed. Our laws will not change. The law on misinformation in this country actually is quite a high bar because you have to show intent. Just words alone don't get you there. You have to show how you are intending to use those words in order to provoke the kind of outcome. So those people who were arrested and convicted for...”
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“It was words, but also it was the words of lots of people, and we made lots of arrests at that point in that period. And I think...”
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“Defending Ukraine and speaking up for President Zelensky and standing shoulder to shoulder with him. I think you've seen a lot of what you're asking for, but it's done in a way that actually can just wait to see where the real substances and not just constantly just get battered around. I mean, when I do interviews and I do lots of media rounds these days, I am asked 99% about something that somebody in America has said and about 1% on what is actually going to be signed, delivered or sealed between the two countries.”
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“I felt you just knew it was a historic moment. But people think that the Trump administration has been there for ever. It's been there for weeks. And we know that Trump uses rhetoric in an incredibly potent, but also smart way in terms of the way that it can sometimes disrupt things and then suddenly quite different pops out of the other end in terms of actions. So we have to see what it's like when we start to sit down and get down to the meat and bones of what this relationship with America is going to be like under the Trump administration, which we accept is going to be very different from the previous Biden administration. And particularly with the EU and Europe, with Britain bilaterally with the states, but we had Macron going out there earlier than Kier. And we've seen coordination in all how these things unfold. You've seen Europe stick really tightly together when it comes to”
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“So, you've already seen how the concerted efforts to work together. I mean, Britain and Europe is working in an incredibly tight and functional way these days. And I've seen that myself. I was there at the Munich Security Council and I was in the room when JD Vance did the speech. I was sitting in the second row. As the words unfolded, I knew I was in a historic moment. I could feel the reaction in the room.”
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“We are a stable politics and economy. I want those things to be resolved here because we can have influence over it if we get it right. If we get it wrong, then we stand back and it will be countries which don't share our values, even if they might be allies, they might not quite have the liberal values that we have here, they might quite not quite have the democratic values that we have here. And believe you me, China is investing in this in a way which is just completely mind-bending and hard to actually conceive on the scale of it. Why? Not for giggles. They're doing it because they know if they get there first and they stay ahead, then they will have dominance in the way that the world and its economy will unfold into the future. We have to be cognizant of that.”
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“So, it's another way of answering Rory's previous question. It's another reason why we in Britain need to get this right. We've got great universities, we've got great skills, we have a great investment landscape, we've got English, you know, we have a huge scientific pedigree going back centuries. All these reasons why we should be bringing this together so that we can get into the cutting edge as well. Now the amount of money, you've mentioned it already, the billions for the infrastructure, the hundreds of millions it takes to train just one of the models and they need to do three or four of these every year. We don't have that money. So that money is often coming from outside of government, which is one of the fundamental challenges that we have. But we can create the circumstances where it can happen. Now, there are going to be a lot of moral and ethical challenges thrown up by AI going forward. I want those moral and ethical challenges to be resolved in a country like Britain with a liberal democracy where we have a mature regulatory landscape and we are a stable now.”
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“How it is used and deployed. I don't want us to be for the next massive period of this industrial transformation that we are going to have because of AI, always buying off the shelf from other countries. And I think if we have the opportunity to have some of these very, very conceptual, powerful cutting-edge pieces of work whose derivatives can then start flowing through the economy domestically, then the opportunities for wealth creation, but also staying at the top seat in this global order of how decisions and power is influenced and the ability to express our values and principles as a country, then AI is going to be absolutely central to it. The question you have to ask yourself is, if we were going to have a new security council that would be set up in 10 years' time after AI has gone through another 10 years, you can bet that actually your ability to influence the world via technology in particular, AI, is going to be one of the things that will indicate who are”
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“Also, the rest of it, we're putting huge emphasis in as well. Why? Because the people who have these big models are the countries that have them are going to be responsible for or benefit from the greatest opportunity for wealth creation, the greatest opportunity for hard and soft power around the world because the impact it's going to have on security and defence is going to be huge. When you look at how America has used sort of nuclear, civil and defensive nuclear, the relationship is quite subordinate with other countries that it partners with. And actually that'sn't unique insight. The Senate last year published a memo which said that they want the same relationship on AI. They want to have the absolute cutting edge. They want to have partners who are allied countries, but they want the Allied countries to be kind of dependent on them for it. Well, I want us to be at the very forefront of it because those countries will be able to shape how it goes.”
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“The key things that could present huge existential challenges to life itself, things that you would imagine, helping people build things that could cause widespreads to life. If you can mitigate those, then you can get the derivatives right through our economy and society and public services to actually for benefit. So what I've done is invested heavily in safety and security. We are now genuinely world leaders. We are joint number one with that in the US. But what we're doing at Richard Sudat never did was in a very ambitious pointed way, making sure that that technology benefits everyone and is used right through our economy because people feel safe enough to explore the opportunities of it. Now the third thing that you mentioned there is actually about the way that we're providing this sort of infrastructure for it and why a 20-fold increase in compute. Actually, it's the whole country's public sovereign compute we're increasing by 2020 times.”
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“The best way to answer this is to say what is the purpose of safety? And I would argue that it is to protect people and to make people safe, but crucially to feel safe because you don't feel safe. You're not going to start interacting with something feel it's okay to actually start using it. So once you've achieved that, why stop there? The purpose of safety is to protect people, but also to make people feel safe enough to embrace the technology. What the previous government was doing was focusing entirely on safety, but not actually using that safety for the next second step, which is opportunity. So what I've done is actually invested more heavily in the safety side. We have the AI security institute, which has relationship with the big model creators, the people creating the platforms that are the most cutting edge. We test their models before they're released into the public, these big, powerful models. What the AI most people interact with is actually derivatives of that. But if you get the main model safe,”
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“Cognitively along the breadth of human thinking above the way that most average humans can do. And what that means is that they can't just do one task you ask it to, it can follow a train of tasks through a logical process that actually reflects a human like sequence of thinking to deliver the kind of outcomes that up till now only humans can do.”
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“Talking about machines that can learn human attributes and behaviors from the data that we produce in our daily lives and it can bring it together and because of the combination of vast amounts of data and huge computational abilities through what supercomputers can do these days, you can analyze that data and you can recreate human-like behavioral thinking. And the latest models that are producing artificial intelligence are now doing computational thinking in things like biology, chemistry, maths, but also general cognitive thinking at PhD level. And very soon we will reach what they're calling and what they're aspiring to artificial general intelligence AGI whereby artificial intelligence will be able to think”
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“Just imagine Britain as we inherited it after 14 years of the Tories and what they put us through and then we came up with a big idea for the new global order and then we went and tried to sell it to people. It would be ludicrous. What we are doing is rehabilitating Britain and we are showing through actions, not just words. I said this to all of the European and American and other sort of leaders and people leading different parts of governments from other governments that don't judge us on our words, judge us on our actions. And then I can talk through actions. And that's the great thing about being a government that does things.”
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“I hope I get to talk about it. Oh, I do hope we can talk about what I've been doing about regulating appropriately and tackling efficiencies and the like, which we have to do, but the ways of putting your own values and principles into doing it to show you can achieve it in different ways. I would argue that right now, the really big thing we have to do is lay the foundations for what we can do in the future because we don't get the basics right in running a public services, rebuilding our relationships with our neighbours and our key allies if we don't get the economy and the foundations of the economy really strong. We will have nothing to build on right now. And just you both care about international politics and our bilateral and multilateral relationships incredibly strongly.”
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“What I do agree with in what you just said is that I think one of the reasons for Brexit was that the public knew something quite. Government and the tax threshold is ridiculously high. Borrowing is high. The amount of waste I found in the department I went into was unbelievable. Unfunded.”
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“and it would require a referendum because of the lack of the change in sovereignty. There would be lots of different issues. And also there's lots of practical reasons why there are things there that the EU want from the UK. And there's lots of things we want in that relationship as well. And exploring them all, we can do that now. We can put food on people's table right now in the weeks ahead, rather than just trying to go back to the big existential things, which have very, very big, profound sovereignty issues. We need to be focusing on the practical issues because that's what they want us to do. It is also what is in the best interest of Britain now.”
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“I think it's a good example, and I would say that I've leapt right to where we are now in 2025, because if you look at the tonal relationships in EU fundamentally changed, in the last two weeks, I've met four EU commissioners, and I've done the rounds of EU commissioners since I first got in to this post, which is only seven months ago. But if you look at what we need now, it is functional relationships, the effort to find common ground. There's a lot of work that Nick Thomas Simmons is doing on the long-term rebuilding. But when you say customs union, because because of what's happening in the world now, to rejoin the customs union, it takes years of negotiation, years. You're not going to suddenly pop in.”
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“The big issues facing the EU and the UK and the world, Russia, Ukraine, China, China policy, how that's changed in 2015, from the golden age to where it is now, or 2010, you'd think of the rise of AI. You think of online harm, you think of all these big issues that are rattling around the world, biomechanics, all these great opportunities, but also challenges. Not one of them was there as a priority in 2016. And yet some people just want us to think about what we've lost. I want to make sure we mitigate the things that we need to mitigate, but we need to be rigorously focused on the future because that is the way that we really start rebuilding, not just with the EU, but without others.”
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“You know, like two months later, I felt nothing because I literally felt nothing. Because at that point, I'd grieved because it was inevitable. And all I was thinking is, what is next and what comes next? At that moment, the whole political landscape changed. And I think as someone who is of my politics, you have to live in the moment facing forward. If even if you're two weeks behind trying to catch up for two weeks and then face forward, then you're not where the public needed to be. So the landscape changed and I changed with it, taking my values and principles with me, applying it to the new landscape we're on. And I think the same approach happens in government. And I know there's other issues that we'll talk about with difficult things we had to do. But that is what how I approach these issues. So when I talk about Brexit now and, you know, Britain and the EU and Britain in the world and everything, actually, if you look at...”
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“There's very, very, very few times that I have had to deliver a line that I would disagree with more than a couple of degrees. So take the Brexit, your example, which triggers you, and it's a very triggering subject for a lot of people. And this is a good example of it. I put my heart and soul into that campaign. And it was emotional as well as philosophical and practical. But I grieved for leaving the EU the day that we lost the 2019 election because that was the day we lost agency that hung parliament became a landslide parliament against us and there was nothing I could do anymore and I grieved for what the Labour Party had done by absenting itself from where the country needed us to be. I lost all hope of being able to steer towards a better deal, a better outcome, whatever. When we actually left in January,”
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“I don't think he's getting more left wing. I think he's just getting more. I don't know. There's no sort of cause that he doesn't think government should just adopt and make number one. Absolute bullshit. It's not. You get a campaigning email and suddenly it's like that should be number one priority for the whole government. And we should put taxes up to pay for it and make the education department, the sport department.”
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“About the Trump administration will mean this, and Putin will do that. We know from histories how things will play out to a degree, but actually these are quite unpredictable times, and we have to use the agency that we have very, very smartly on behalf of the United States.”
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“Difficult circumstances on a whole range of different things. I hope that puts into perspective what we are trying to do because every day around the world at the moment there are very big things happening, sometimes very disruptive, and we are constantly asked to commentate on everything. But what we're seeing here is this real determination to make an impact where we can and to make that impact positive and deliver as much positive change as we can with Britain post-Brexit in a world where the polar sort of relationships or polar areas are just shifting in ways that are so rapid and so profound. And we don't yet know because these are very new forces in historic terms. We don't know where all of it is going. And that's where I think everyone who comes to us speaks in certainties.”
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“The world is always changing, and every generation where there is a generational shift and there is one now is really challenging. I mean, people accept change, but find they know that change is happening, but people normally find change quite difficult because you have to wake up thinking, acting, doing things differently than you did the day before. So it's unsettling. For me in this job, and I think being part of this government, you have to understand, or for me to get through days, not just in this issue, but lots of different issues, you have to understand where you have agency and how you can use that agency wisely, but not get overwhelmed by the things that you can't have an impact in. If you can focus on the things where you can, then you can really find ways to absolutely maximize what you can do. Now, I think if you look at the way that Kier and this government has acted in really...”
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“She said to me, What I can say now is going to make you really angry because the whole point of what we're doing is we are going to get you back to a place and it'll be a very different place that you were in before because life will never be the same again. But it doesn't mean that you can't build something back and the whole purpose of building back is so you can fall in love again because you've had it, you can have it again and that is what we're going to get back to. And she was very practical week after week and some weeks I couldn't talk. I couldn't say a word. But twice a week to start with then once a week and slowly, slowly. And secondly a personal trainer, I know it sounds middle class, but physical and emotional. And Pete my trainer and Diane, I wouldn't be able to do what I do now. Without them”
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“Just unbelievable, just how far I sank. So I had a very good friend who is a consultant in A&E Ali. We were aid workers together back in the day. I spoke to her and we had a conversation about lots of different things. And then she said, what can I do? And I said, you can find me a grief counsellor. She called back a couple days later and said, could you speak to Diana? Here's the number when you're ready. And I did. But of course before you get there as well, six days later my mum died. That was very different. Mums it in my arms and her husband's arms when she died. And I went straight out to the car park after mum had left us and rang Diana and just said, Peter Kyle. And then just absolutely just started sobbing, sobbing, sobbing. A couple of days later, I went to see if the first time and I sat in front of her and she said the very first time.”
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“And, well, I wouldn't know, but maybe it is. Maybe it was for me. But I could feel everything just pulling apart and fracturing. I could feel it happening and I knew that it was happening. In terms of how long it was, I knew in that very first day that I would need help. I knew that I wouldn't recover from that alone in the very first day that that happened. And in that day, you are barrel rolled into all sorts of difficult moments. You have to do some formal things and the like, and you're just a zombie. I went back to my best friend was waiting for me. He had lost his wife. Only been married for 18 months, and she was 32. Six months earlier, he was waiting for me and took me back to his home. And, you know, he just said, you're shaking, you know, and my head was twitching and everything.”
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“Very different. I think all grief is different. I don't think there's probably in the whole history of humanity been two people who grieve in exactly the same ways and have the same impact. But the funny thing is I could feel it happening when the police officer called me. It was like I had shards of glass going into my brain and then just because bits of my brain weren't talking to each other anymore. And you know when somebody says something does something, you've got to do something, like, you know, even turn a shower on, you're not coordinated in the same way. Nothing is working in the way that it should. Nothing. Your thoughts don't complete. You know, your thought process takes you to different places. Everything is dysfunctional.”
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“I had lost complete control of my emotions. So I'd be walking down a street for weeks and weeks anywhere, any situation. And suddenly shaking with tears and so forth. So I was really surprised at just how devastating it was. It gets into that kind of grief and it gets into every part of your body. And that's the bit I will talk about because I think we don't talk about grief in this country very much. And thanks to you and others, you talk about mental health. But I think that the recovery and resilience building that comes from those experiences is something that I would be comfortable talking about. But the actual events and so forth is something which I managed to talk about once. That's it. Yeah”
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“Go with that kind of thing, and your life just literally implodes. I am someone who's been an aid worker. I'm naturally quite resilient. You know, I've always had very, very robust mental health. So even when it happened, I was completely surprised at just how devastating it was.”
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“Different situations, and I feel some shame that I felt embarrassed to start with. But his overriding characteristic was warmth. He always saw the best in everyone. He was fun to be around and was just like a warm, emotional blanket in any room that he was in. And unbelievably loving, unbelievably just straightforward and in many ways had some of those characteristics with mum when I looked back. And, you know, like every relationship, particularly someone like me that was coming into relationships for the first time, there was very, very, very few arguments, but we sort of came to work together very, very closely and we moved apart over the years. But we were together for almost eight years. And then, you know, I got the phone call very early one day, like 5.30 to say that he had died. And then there was a lot of stuff that happened afterwards because of police investigation and all the sort of horrors.”
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“I'll tell you about Vlas and I'll tell you about after I lost Vlas. What I won't do is talk about the moment that I actually did lose him because I did one interview about that and it was a very, very, very difficult thing to do. And it took five months of discussion with Alice Thompson in the run-up to doing it. And I thought I think people deserve to know about what makes politicians who they are. I'll do it once and get it out there. But Vlas was from the Czech Republic, grew up in a very conservative Catholic part of Bohemia and was a very straightforward. He was the same person in every situation. I mean, not a scintilla of mediation or fitting into, he was just a person he was. And sometimes that's brilliant. At the time, sometimes it was embarrassing because he would just blurt stuff out.”
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“The anger that I have and through it I hope you've always known I loved you and shit I do. For all the stuff I wanted to talk to her about and tried talking to her about that was it. It was an incredibly powerful moment.”
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“And suddenly she was inviting friends around to meet me and him, and that hadn't happened before. And in terms of her relationship, I'll just say it was very, very difficult. Vlas was very, a very, very family-oriented person, an incredibly, you know, a lot of his warmth, which he had in abundance, came from his family life that he just loved. And he hated the fact that I was estranged from mum and was so angry towards her. And I didn't know this for a long time, but he was calling her all the time and he was bringing the relationship together in his way. But we only spoke about the separation about 10 days, two weeks before she died at the hospital bed when I was sitting next to her and she was asleep and she woke up and saw me there and just said, you know everything I did, I know would hurt you most. But I hope you know, I've always loved you. And then I came back to her and said”
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“My partner a while after we had started seeing each other. And it was the weirdest thing within probably 10 seconds. Mum had just melted her face, her body expressions, everything because she saw in her own two eyes that her son was in love with someone. And at the end of the day, what parents want is their kids to be happy. And all the prejudice or misconceptions she might have had just disappeared in a heartbeat.”
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