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Peter Kyle

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  1. “The thing is, you have such a reputation for subtlety, Alistair, that I never know where you're going to go. You're so unpredictable, that's your problem. So as soon as mum saw me and I was in love, everything just melted away and I learned a lot about parents and families in that moment because she'd spoken a lot about being gay and it'd come up in conversation. She'd said at one point I was really worried you were going to turn into one of them, you know, and of course we were getting on well that day and suddenly you just sort of like implode and I just said well for every one of them I think I know what you're talking about you see in the street don't you think there's hundreds that you don't you don't know about and all that sort of stuff it was very difficult she came from a very different background and had different experiences in life you know so I'm not I'm not going to judge anyone that needs to go on a journey so anyway I took Vlastown”

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  2. “No, that was rage. That was rage. I don't remember tears in that period, and that was appalling. Very, very hurtful and felt very, very personal for me. Did you ever make a make?”

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  3. “Best friend. That's me. Yeah, and that was earlier when I was a teenager. And that was, it was just awful because I was very, very, very close.”

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  4. “And I just said, this whole conversation is about me telling you that I'm gay. And he sort of said, oh, okay, all right, no problem. We'll speak later. And then he sort of like, he kind of hung up, but he was not in a bad way. And then later on that evening he called back and we just had a conversation about it and he just said all the things you would love to hear from a dad. He was great. Mum wasn't so good. She struggled with it and she didn't use the right words. You do it in a way that. No, it wasn't a keyword, it was, there was lots of things. And by then, I'd had a, my relationship with mum was shattered because of the way that the separation.”

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  5. “Yeah, yeah. So I went in the next day and he said, look, I've thought about this. I said it's too late. I rang him up and told them. How do they take it? The thing that a straight person will never understand is that it is an appalling thing you have to do is to sort of tell someone something so deep and personal, which is also about emotion. It's about sex. And so your sex life, which is because immediately, you know, it's connected to that. And no one actually has to do that. But for someone who's pretty good at getting conversations to where they need to be, there is no natural organic arc for a conversation where you ring a family member and say, how are you doing? Great, thanks. Did you see that on TV? And then suddenly you've got to get it to you saying, I'm gay. You can't do it. So I kept down on the phone for 45 minutes and he was desperate to get off the phone for about half an hour of that 45 minutes. And then he said, I've got to go. I've just got to go. And I said, Dad, I'm just ringing to say I'm gay. And then there's just this long silence. And he said, what did you just say?”

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  6. “And I went back home and I thought, well, I know now, and now I feel I'm hiding something. This is like day one. I feel like I'm hiding something. Dad was in New York. My mum by then had a horrible divorce and mum was living in Devon. And my brother lived down the road. I thought this is ridiculous. So I rang them all up one after another and just told him I was gay. So you will.”

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  7. “So I came out in my sort of mid to late 20s and I'd never sort of ignored it. I never really had a secret life. I just never really wanted to be with anyone and I'd been an aid worker. I'd done things that just because I'd had a difficult educational pathway. I just wanted to throw myself into really overwhelming and challenging environments. And I loved that. But as soon as I went to university and I wanted to be with someone, then I started to think who I was. And I just thought, oh, God, it's going to be with a man, isn't it? And it wasn't, I didn't have this sort of moment where rainbows are coming up my ears.”

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  8. “Whenever I mentioned it, he would end the call straight away. You can imagine at the time it was incredibly hurtful, very hurtful.”

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  9. “Which was to be guiding. I think looking back, he probably really wanted me to go into his business and actually carry on his business so that he could have carried on mentoring me and caring for me and being part of my sort of development into the future. And I only really recognize that now. When I ended up doing a doctorate, we barely spoke. We spoke in sort of platitudinous ways for.”

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  10. “I think actually that in particular found it really difficult. Me and Dad were really close growing up. I absolutely idolized him. Then I started to take different journeys when I worked at the body shop. You know, dad was proud of the very traditional approach he had to business and becoming a business person and a successful one. And what did I do at 18? I ended up working at the body shops head office. This is in 1989 when the body shop was going stellar and Anita Roddick was breaking every rule. I mean, he hated it. You know, and there was me coming back with having drunk the Kool-Aid and just talking about the campaigning, the environmental campaigning and all that sort of stuff doing campaigning and making money. He hated it. Then I went to university. But as soon as I think for somebody who is self-made, having reflected on this so much because my relationship wasn't great with dad for a long time. And I think dad was really proud of me. But as soon as I stepped outside of his life's experience, I think he found it difficult being the dad he wanted it to be.”

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  11. “A nice childhood. I know what you probably want to get to and start talking to about some of the challenges that I had in life, but I never want to take away from the fact that actually at its core was a pretty sort of what people would appreciate as a standard family life.”

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  12. “Class lexicon. I'm proud of everything the dad did. The journey that I went on that he left for me is inconceivable. And he, after I won, he didn't think I'd win the election. Nobody did in 2013. In 2015, and the week after the election, we were walking down my street and there was Peter Carl posters in all of the windows down my street. And Dad just said he couldn't stop looking at them. And he just said, isn't it just weird? And I just said, if you look at the posters, you'll see that Peter is written quite small and Kyle is in massive letters. I said, that's your name. I said, that's our name. I said, and this is what we have done as a family. And then he was in floods of tears. And I never, I probably only saw him cry twice in my whole life. It's a very big thing for that that we went through. And that was because of his journey. My mom also was actually much closer to in many, many ways because she was around more and I was very affectionate with mom and she was very, very loving.”

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  13. “Yeah, so then he moved south and worked his way up from being salesman for a glass company to owning the company. And the same journey was going through our life, you know, I was born when he was at the start of that journey down south. And every couple of years we were moving home. I was born into a home where it was a terrace house by the dump outside Bogna Regis, by the main road with a dump on the other side. A couple of years later, which is the first time I remember, it was the end of a terrace. And you had this sort of garage block that you could learn to ride bikes in. A few years after that, a new build estate. And then onto when I was 12, onto a leafy estate where dad lived until he died last year. So it very upwardly mobile, very, very, very driven. I've never met anyone to this day in all the jobs I've done that worked at hard as dad did. And I think that I have inherited his work ethic, sort of the working class work ethic that he had.”

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  14. “No, no, no. I was in Liverpool yesterday, Steve Rotherham, and I'd said that to him, he would have killed me. But my dad rang me when I was going for selection in 2013 in Hove, and dad rang me and said, I bet this is the only time in your life you've ever wanted my accent, you know, because in the Labour Party it fetishes accent so badly.”

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  15. “Well, my grandfather, who I only met a few times, he was working on Liverpool Cathedral. My dad had five, six, seven people living, you know, sleeping in the room that he was sleeping in. It's what he called a slum. It was something that impacted him his entire life. At 16, straight away, as soon as he could, he joined the Navy. And he said for him, it was either Stonemason or Navy going forward. So he chose the Navy. He credits the drive, the discipline. He credits so much for that experience came out in his mid to late 20s, became a daughter-door salesman for Pilkerton Glass, then moved south, which I've got this accent than his accent. When I was going for sales.”

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  16. “I had a great childhood. I came from a very loving family, very, very socially mobile. My dad left school when he was 14, grew up in poverty in Liverpool. He left school at 14 to become an apprentice Stonemason to his dad. His grandfather was also an apprentice Stone to his dad. So you get a sense of the family life there. And he, well, kind”

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