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  1. I think I'd give the same answer as my father. Because if there were no love and we didn't care about anybody. Be no point existing.

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  2. I think it's expressed well in my books, trying to create some new realities that people will accept. I mean, that's something that gives me great pleasure. And greater insight into what makes humans. I'm not the only person who's tempted to Comment on that, but.

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  3. Most people believe that way? Except if you present a death of anybody they care about or love, they find that extremely depressing. And I know people who feel that way 20, 30, 40 years later, they still want them back. So, I mean, death is not something to celebrate. But we've lived in a world where people just accept this. Life is short. Do you see it all the time on TV? Life's short. You have to take advantage of it. And nobody accepts the fact that you could actually go beyond normal lifetimes. But anytime we talk about death or a death of a person, even one death is a terrible tragedy. If you have somebody that lives 100 years old, we still love them in return. And there's no limitation to that. In fact, these kinds of trends are going to provide greater and greater opportunity for everybody, even if we have more people.

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  4. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So, I mean, I do spend a lot of time just tinkering with my own body to keep it going. So I do think I'll last till the end of this decade, and I think we'll achieve longevity, escape velocity. I think that will start with people who are very diligent about this. Eventually it'll become sort of routine that people will be able to do it. So if you're talking about kids today or even people in their 20s or 30s, it's really not a very serious problem. Have had some discussions with Relatives who were, like almost a hundred And say, well, we're working on it as quickly as possible. But I don't know if that's going to work.

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  5. I mean, we live in a body that doesn't last forever. There's no reason why it can't, though And we're discovering things I think will extend it But you do have to deal with. I mean, I've got various issues. Went to Mexico 40 years ago, developed salmonella. They created pancreatitis. Which gave me a strange form of diabetes It's not Type 1 diabetes because that's an autoimmune disorder that destroys your pancreas. I don't have that. It's also not type 2 diabetes because type 2 diabetes is your pancreas works fine, but your cells don't absorb the insulin well. I don't have that either. The pancreatitis I had... Partially damaged my pancreas, but it was a one-time thing. It didn't continue. And I've learned now how to control it. But so that's just something I had to do in order to continue to exist.

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  6. But we'd like to actually advance human life expectancy, advance my life expectancy more than a year every year. And I think we can get there within by the end of this decade.

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  7. Well, in what Tallie is hard to say, I can't really come on your program saying, I've done it. I've achieved immortality. Because it's never forever.

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  8. Yes, but I keep going back to my idea of being able to expand. Human life quickly enough in advance of our getting there. Longevity escape velocity. Which we're not quite at yet But I think we're actually pretty close, particularly with, for example, doing simulated biology. I think we can probably get there within, say, by the end of this decade. And that's my goal.

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  9. That's the goal of creating a replicant. They would love you and you would love them There wouldn't be much point of doing it if that didn't happen.

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  10. I alluded to this before. We started out with lots of particles going around. And there's nothing that represents love and creativity. And somehow we've gotten into a world where love actually exists. And that has to do actually with consciousness because you can't have love without consciousness. So to me, that's God. The fact that we have something where Love where you can be devoted to someone else and really feel that love That's God. And if you look at the Old Testament, It was actually created by several different rabbinates in there. And I think they've identified three of them. One of them dealt with God as a person that you can make deals with and he gets angry and he wrecks vengeance on various people. But two of them actually talk about God as a symbol of love and peace and harmony and so forth. That's how they describe God.

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  11. The universe is computational, so we are an example in a computational world. Therefore, It is a simulation. It doesn't necessarily mean an experiment by some high school kid in another world, but it's nonetheless taking place in a computational world. And everything that's going on is basically a form of computation. So, you really have to define what you mean by this whole world being a simulation.

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  12. Now think about these other civilizations. They're going to be spread out at cosmic times. So, if something is like ahead of us or behind us, it could be ahead of us or behind us by Maybe millions of years, which isn't that much. I mean, the world is billions of years old, 14 billion or something. So even a thousand years, if two or three hundred years is enough to go from a pony to fantastic amount of civilization, we would see that. So of other civilizations that have occurred, that might be behind us, but some might be ahead of us. If they're ahead of us, they're ahead of us by... Thousands, millions of years, and there would be so far beyond us they would be doing galaxy wide engineering We don't see anything doing Galaxy Web Engineering.

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  13. And they'll cite the Drake equation. And I think in singularity is near. I have two analyses of the Drake equation, both with very reasonable assumptions. And one gives you thousands of advanced civilizations in each galaxy. And another one gives you one civilization, and we know of one. A lot of the analyses are forgetting the exponential growth of computation. Because we've gone from where the fastest way I could send a message to somebody was with a pony. Which was what like a century and a half ago To the advanced civilization we have today. And if you accept what I've said, go forward a few decades. You can have absolutely fantastic amount of civilization compared to a pony, and that's in a couple hundred years.

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  14. Yeah, and we're also putting out other Human beings, which is a very inefficient way to explore these other objects. I'm really talking about in the sixth epic universe wakes up. It's where we can spread our superintelligence throughout the universe. And that doesn't mean sending a very soft, squishy creatures like humans

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  15. Yes, but the kind of attempts we're making now to go to all this planetary... Objects Don't excite me that much because it's not really advancing anything.

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  16. You can recreate them with large language models and so on. I mean, you can create somebody that's just like them and can actually continue Communic

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  17. Eventually, as we go forward, we're going to have more and more of this data because we're going to have nanobots that are inside our neocortex and we're going to collect a lot of data. In fact, anything that's data is always collected.

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  18. But what's going to motivate it is, I mean, I talk to people who really miss. People who are gone and they would love to get something back, even if it isn't perfect. And that's what's going to motivate this.

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  19. That's the key thing, right? If the loved one's rejected, it's not going to work very well. The loved ones really are the key determinant whether or not this works or not.

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  20. You create a replicant that has certain. I've talked to people about this, clearly my wife who would like to get back her father. And she doesn't worry about it. Who has rights to what? She would have somebody that she could visit with and like give her some satisfaction. And she wouldn't care about any of these other rights.

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  21. Okay, it's not so easy. Suppose you create multiple replicants. The original rights Maybe for one person and not for a whole group of people.

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  22. Well, you don't know. Someone can create a replicant and say, well, it's a replicant, but I didn't bother getting their rights.

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  23. That gets into a whole issue. Because when a replicant occurs, they're not necessarily going to have your rights. And if a replicant occurs that somebody who's already dead, Do they have all the obligations that the original person had? Do they have all the agreements that they had?

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  24. But if you hang out with a replicant of me, And that turned out to be successful. I'd feel proud of that person because it was based on me.

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  25. Yes, I mean, we need some information about them. I mean, I think about my father. Have what he wrote. He didn't have a word processor, so he didn't actually write that much. And our memories of him aren't perfect. So how do you even know if you've created something that's satisfactory? Now, you could do a Frederick Hurzwell Turing test. It seems like Frederick Hurzwell to me. But the people who remember him like me, Don't have a perfect memory.

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  26. Well, she looks at the situation and tries to imagine. How she can overcome various obstacles. And then she goes for it. And she's a very good communicator so she can communicate. These ideas to other people.

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  27. I mean, we see that when people can. Go beyond the kind of And create something that's new. I mean, take Uber, for example. Before that existed, you never thought that that would be feasible and did require changes in the way people work.

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  28. But that has become a thing in itself because looking at what things will be like in the future. Reflect such dramatic changes in how humans will live. That was worth communicating also.

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  29. So we were able to do that in the 70s, and I waited till the 80s to address speech recognition since that requires more computation.

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  30. And that's become a thing in itself, and to try to time things in the future. But really it's original purpose was to tie my products. I mean, I did OCR in the 1970s. Because OCS Doesn't require a lot of computation.

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  31. Timing is very important. I mean, that's really why I got into futurism. I didn't inherently a futurist that there's not really my goal. That's really to figure out when things are feasible. We see that now with large scale models. The very large scale models like GPT-3, it started two years ago. Years ago, it wasn't feasible. In fact, they did create GPT2, which didn't work. So it required a certain amount of timing having to do with this exponential growth of computing power.

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  32. And generally when I talk about things we're trying to invent, I would use the present tense as if it already exists. Just to give myself that confidence, but everybody else who's working on it. We just have to kind of. Do all the steps in order to make it actual.

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  33. And then you actually imagine you're giving a speech about How you created this? Well, you'd have to then work backwards as to how you would create it in order to make it work.

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  34. Well, I mean, sometimes I will think through in a dream and try to interpret that, but I think the key issue that I would Tell younger people. Is to put yourself in the position that what you're trying to create already exists. And then you're explaining. Exactly.

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  35. I didn't know how to put them together. I said, if I could just figure out how to put these things together, I could solve any problem. And I actually remember talking to these very old girls, I think they were 10, and telling them, if I could just figure this out, we could fly, we could do anything. And they said, well, you have quite an imagination. And then when I was in third grade, so it was like eight, created like a virtual reality theater where people could come on stage and they could move their arms. And all of it was controlled through one control box, it was done with mechanical technology. It was a big hit in my third grade class. And then I went on to do things in junior high school science fairs and high school science fairs where I won the Westinghouse Science Talent Search.

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  36. So I became totally interested in this and then went around collected little pieces of mechanical objects from bicycles, from broken radios. I would go through the neighborhood. This was an era where you would allow five or six-year-olds to roam through the neighborhood and do this. We don't do that anymore.

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  37. But I was totally amazed with this manual typewriter. I mean, here was something you could put a blank piece of paper into and you could turn it into something that looked like it came from a book. And you can actually type on it, and it looked like it came from a book. It was just amazing to me. And I could see actually how it worked. And I was also interested in magic But in magic, if somebody actually knows how it works, the magic goes away. The magic doesn't stay there if you actually understand how it works. He was technology. I didn't have that word when I was.

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  38. Yeah, I remember This actually happened with my grandmother. She had a manual typewriter, and she wrote a book One Life is Not Enough, which actually a good title for a book I might write. And it was about a school she had created. Well, actually her mother created it. So my mother's mother's mother created the school in 1868. And it was the first school in Europe that provided higher education for girls. It went through 14th grade. If you were a girl and you were lucky enough to get an education at all, it would go through like ninth grade. And many people didn't have any education as a girl. This went through 14th grade. Her mother created it. She took it over, and the book was about the history of the school and her involvement with it. When she presented to me, I was not so interested in the story of the school.

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  39. He was devoted to music, and when he would create something to music, he'd put him in a different world. Otherwise, he was very shy. And if people got together, he tended not to interact with people just because of his Chinas. But when he created music, he was like a different person.

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  40. Yes, I do. You know, you get used to missing somebody after 52 years. And I didn't really have intelligent conversations with them until later in life. The last few years he was sick, which meant he was home a lot, and I was actually able to talk to him about different things like music and other things. So I miss that very much.

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  41. Have a conversation with them, which was actually more interesting than talking to him, because if you talk to him, he'd be concerned about how they're going to lay out this property to give a coral group.

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  42. Stuff he'd written was stuff about how to lay out, I mean, he did directed choral groups and music groups, and he would be laying out how people should, where they should sit. How to fund this and all kinds of things that really didn't seem that interesting And yet, when you ask a question, it would go through it and it would actually give you a very good answer. So I said, well, you know, who's the most interesting composer? And he said, well, definitely Brahms. And he would go on about how Brahms was fabulous and talk about the importance of music education.

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  43. So we created technology. This is public came out, I think, six years ago where you could ask any question and the release product, which I think is still on the market, it would read 200,000 books. And then find the one sentence in 200,000 books that best answered your question. It's actually quite interesting. You can ask all kinds of questions and you get the best answer in 200,000 books. But I was also able to take it and not go through 200,000 books, but go through a book that I put together, which is basically everything my father had written So everything he had written I had gathered, and we created a book that Everything that Frederick Hiswell had written. Now, I didn't think this actually would work that well because

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  44. Even with the tensions we've had with this one nuclear power plant that's been taken over, It's very tense. But I don't actually see a lot of people worrying that that's going to happen. I think we'll avoid that. We had two nuclear bombs go off in 45. So now we're... Seventy seven years later.

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  45. Well, I mean, this is the great goo challenge If you had a bot, Wanted to create any kind of entity and repeat itself and was able to operate in a natural environment, it could turn everything into that entity and basically destroy all Biological life.

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  46. Exciting is that that's a way to communicate with our neocortex because each neocortex is pretty small and you need a small entity that can actually get in there and establish a communication channel. And that's going to really be necessary to connect our brains to AI within ourselves. Otherwise, it would be hard for us to compete with it.

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  47. So you can describe various dangers with biology, also nanotechnology, which we actually haven't experienced yet, but there are people creating nanotechnology, and I described that in the book.

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  48. Something that would spread without people noticing because people could get it, they'd have no symptoms, and then everybody would get it, and then symptoms would occur maybe a month later. So, I mean, and that actually doesn't occur normally. Because if we were to. Have a problem with that, we wouldn't exist. So the fact that humans exist means that we don't have viruses that can spread easily and kill us because otherwise we wouldn't exist.

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  49. Well, it's hard to choose. We do have the nuclear power. That evolved when I was a child. I remember we would actually do these drills against a nuclear war. We'd get under our desk and put our hands behind our heads to protect us from a nuclear war. Seem to work. We're still around. But that's still a concern. And there are key dangerous situations that can take place in biology Someone could create a virus that's very, I mean, we have viruses that are... They can be very dangerous. And we have viruses that are easy to spread, but they're not so dangerous. Somebody could create something that would be very easy to spread and very dangerous and be very hard to stop. It could be.

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  50. I mean, I do have some concerns about this And I have a chapter on the book about the perils of advanced AI. Spreading misinformation on social networks is one of them, but there are many others.

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