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Rick Spence

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“Well, it's there. It's just not the one that Bugliose wanted to go with Helltish scouter because it was, again, it was a story that people could understand. And it was sensational and it would catch on. Also another probable issue in that was that his star witness was Linda Kasabian. Linda Kasabian, she was present at both the Tate and La Bianca murders. She didn't participate in the killings, according to her. Sort of drives the car, but everybody else talked about what had happened. Well, okay, she turned state's evidence and gets total immunity. And it's largely in her testimony that all the rest of the case is based. Now, if you start throwing into the equation that she proclaimed her love for Bobby Bosale and that she, according to others, was the chief proponent of the copycat killings.”
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“So Bosle was very popular with some of the girls. There's consternation in the family that Bobby has been arrested, so how can we possibly get Bobby out of jail? Copycat killings. So if we go kill more people and we make it look the same, then see Bobby couldn't possibly have done it. No, see, he just borrowed the car. Okay, he stole the car, but the knife was already in it. He didn't have anything to do with this. So that, to me, makes the most sense out of what followed”
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“Hinman denied that there was anything wrong with his drugs and refused to pay up, which led to a interrogation torture session in which he was killed. And the idea was here what are we going to do with that? Well, one of the other groups that Hinman had sold drugs to were, guess what? People associated with the Black Panther. So we'll leave these things up and it will make them, they will do it. So it's Bobby Bosale. Who then takes Hinman's car and decides to drive it up the coast? The way with a bloody knife with Hinman's blood and hair on it, and blood on the seats in the car. And then he pulls it off the road and decides to sleep it off, and he gets busted. Find Hinman's body, find Beaulet and Hinman's car with a bloody knife with him. Yeah, he gets arrested.”
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“And Hinman made them. He was a cook, basically. And he brewed them up in his basement, sold the drugs to Manson, who sold them to biker gangs like the straight Satans, which was one of the groups that he used, and they distributed them elsewhere. Well, one day the straight Satan show up and complain that the last batch of meth or whatever it was that they got. From Manson had made some of their brothers very, very ill, and they were quite unhappy about that. They wanted their $2,000 back. Manson had gotten those drugs from Gary Hinman. So he is unhappy, and he sends Bobby Bose away and a couple of the girls over to Hemman's place to get the money from him. The story is a little related, I think, by Susan Atkins.”
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“So, the general story that comes out in the subsequent trial is that this was all a part of something called Helter Skelter, which Manson supposedly was an idea that that sounds like a Beatles song. That's where he got it from. He thought the Beatles were talking to him through their music and that there was going to be an apocalyptic race war. And this was all part of a plan to set this off. So this is why the Black Panthers were trying to be implicated in this. How it was supposed to do that is never really explained. Here is what I think was really happening. What really happened and how I think it fits together. Before Sharon Tate and her friends or the La Biancas were killed, There was a murder by members of the family. Of a musician drug manufacturer, but then he was Gary Hinman. Manson again was involved in the drug trade.”
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“And he was going to give everybody a crash course on how you apparently commit seemingly random murders. So the next night, he takes group of people over to the Law Bianca's house in a different section of LA. And you've got Lena and Rosemary Labianca. Guy is a grocer. His wife runs a dress shop. Upper middle class. And they're bound and gagged and hacked to death as at the Tate residence, various things like Piggy are written, various messages in blood, things that are supposed to look like cat's paws because one of the group's trying to be framed for this was the idea was the Black Panthers.”
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“Are lots of connections there? VoTech for Kowski, who was one of the people killed at the Cielo Drivehouse, was involved in drug dealing. That's a possible connection between the two, probably a fairly likely one. Probably not, unfortunate Sharon Tate at all. She was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time. Her husband might have been, you never know. And then the next night, after the slaughter there, which, by the way, Manson is not at. So this is one of the interesting things about is Charles Manson doesn't kill any of these people. His crime is supposedly ordering the killings to be done He supposedly thought that the killings at the Tatehouse were sloppy.”
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“What then happens in August of 1969 is that there are these murders, you know, first Sharon Tate and her friends in Cielo Drive. I think everybody has probably pretty much heard that story before. And of course, the question is why CLO drive? Why Sharon Tate Frekowski and the rest of that he have some? Manson was familiar with the place. He had been there before. Members of the family had been there before. So he knew who it was. It wasn't an easy place to find. May the way that that house, the house, the original house is no longer there, but the same sort of property in a house is built there. And if you didn't know where it was, it's not someplace. Let's just go for a drive in the Hollywood Hills and murder people in a house. Well, that isn't the one that you would come across.”
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“Now, federal parolee, federal parole officer come graduate student in drugs and group dynamics, and eventually with permission he goes back down to LA. And what is he part of when he's there? Well, he's on the fringes of the music industry. So much, you kn That was the Wilsons and elsewhere, which also brings him to the fringes of the film industry. So one of the things if you're sort of looking in terms of Hollywood music industry elites in the flow of, oh, and he's also dealing in drugs. Gir So an early version of Jeffrey Epstein. Manson attracted lots of underage runaways and Train them, use them also associating with biker gangs who produce drugs, etc. So that's part of what he's an informant in the movement of drugs basically within the film music industries. And he's given pretty much a kind of free reign at that point.”
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“Studying group dynamics, especially the influence of drugs on gangs in groups. And he's also connected to the Hatt Ashbury Free Clinic, which is a place where the influence of, because Hayett Ashbury had lots of drugs and lots of groups. So, you know, Charlie Manson never gets a regular job. Hangs around with young girls Engages in criminal activity is repeatedly arrested, but nothing ever sticks. Next couple of years So, who gets that type of thing? Who gets to get out of jail free card? So here is what again this is speculation. Manson at some point after he got out of prison is getting this treatment because he has recruited as a confidential informant. The interesting question. So, probably not for any local police departments. My best suspicion is probably the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, precursor to the DEA.”
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“Prolees are supposed to have a job, not supposed to leave the jurisdiction of their parole. He heads straight for the Bay Area, violates parole right off the bat. Two weeks later, He drifts into the parole office in the Bay Area, whereupon he should have been arrested and sent back to Terminal Island. But instead, they just assign him a parole. I don't know. Maybe things were easier then in some way. So he gets assigned a parole officer, Michael Smith. Michael Smith is initially handling a number of parolees, but after a while, once he takes on Manson, he only has one parolee he's supervising, Charlie Manson, which is odd. And you also find out that Michael Smith, in addition to being a parole officer, is a graduate student at the University of California.”
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“It's just, you know, it's just an average painter. That's what it was, something like crazy genocidal maniac paintings that you don't have really have those. So Mansion, he could have done that. He probably could have made certain inroads into the music industry. And if he hadn't been such a weirdo, he might have gotten further with it. But his life could have taken a different turn. So this is one of the questions I have. Where did a guy who becomes, who's an unexceptional career petty criminal? Suddenly emerge into some sort of criminal mastermind, a Swengali, who can bend all of these people to his will and get them to go out and commit murder That's a real shift that you have. So, the first thing it kind of could tell you that something odd is going on is he gets out of prison. In LA County, He's supposed to, you know, he's on parole.”
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“He was a model prisoner. He behaved himself. And seemed, you can sort of imagine his life is going into completely different direction. And here again, I'm going to say something kind of good about Charles Manson, which is that he actually was a decent singer. You really sort of listen to some of the stuff he did. He's not a great singer He could have, you know, other people got recording contracts with less talent than he had, and he could play guitar. The Beach Boys actually do record one of his songs without him.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you begin with Charles Manson, who's the key element in this, and Charles Manson, for most of his life up until the time that he's around 33, is an unexceptional petty criminal. And out of prison Forum school from an early age not really associated with violent crimes he did stuff like steal cars, write bad checks, became an unsuccessful pimp and drug dealer. Around 1967, he gets out of his latest stint in federal lockup in Terminal Island, they're Los Angeles, California. By that time, he has learned how to play the guitar, has ambitions to become a musician. And also has proclaimed himself a Scientologist. Not that he ever seems to have practiced, but that's what he would claim that he was. You know, self educated himself in prison to a certain degree. And so when he gets out of prison in 67,”
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“They had of them. You're not even talking about real people. I don't know what does that tell you about human nature? Well, okay, in 70-odd years, what have I learned about my fellow creatures? Don't actually understand them any better than I ever did. In fact, less so. I would say this. When I was 17, I thought I had the world much more figured out than I do now. Completely deluded. But, you know, it seemed to make much more sense, and I could categorize things. Basic take upon human beings most people most of the time are polite, cooperative, and kind. Until they're not. And the exact Tipping point and moment in which they go from one to the other is unpredictable.”
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“Well, you know, Jews aren't the only recipient of that. I mean, anytime you hear people talking about Jews, this or that, white people this or that, black people this or that, Asians this or that, where they're in undifferentiated mass, who apparently all share something in common. Well, nobody's really thinking And the other thing you'll find is that people who will express those views when press will argue that, oh, well, if they actually know anybody from those groups, those are okay. It's like Nazis. Oh, they go, this isn't okay Jew. They're all right. They will always be constantly making exceptions. One firm. What they actually met an actual human being, and they seem to be fairly normal, well, they were okay. So what it was that they hated weren't actual people for the most part. It was just this kind of gollywog vision.”
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“Ever since. You know, one of the essential points that seems to me in anti-Semitism, anti-Jewish, is that all the Jews are in us together. Isn't that one of the things? Okay, they're always talking about as if they're a collective Jews this, Jews that, as if it's a single undifferentiated mass of people who all move and speak in the same way. From my personal experience, not being Jewish, It's incredibly diverse. In many ways, really, one of the things that anti-Semitism proposes is a continuity or a singularity of Jewish identity that never existed.”
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“Sort of question comes up in the 18th century and things like the Haskalah movement in Germany. Because the German Jews were always at the sort of cutting edge of assimilation and modernity. Moses Mendelsen was an example of that, arguing that, you know, we just need to become Germans. So, you know, as much as possible, synagogue should we look like Lutheran churches. Everything thinks should be given in good German. And that's the way we need to become Jewish Germans. We don't want to become a kind of group of people who are part in that way. He has created great tensions.”
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“That modern anti-Semitism is. Very much a creation of the modern world and the Industrial Revolution. It's largely a creation of Jewish emancipation. It's the nasty flip side of that. Of the restrictions that are thrown off, but now also you become the focus of much more attention than what you had before. You know, prior to that, you had The kind of ghettoization, which worked both ways. I mean, there were. Rabbis who praised the ghetto is a protection of Jews against the outside world because inside we can live our life as we wish and we're unmolested. Whereas if we were, the great fear is that if we were sort of absorbed into this larger world, we'll lose our identity.”
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“And pretty much the Old Testament was always presented as if it somehow was the history of lack of better term, you know, Europeans in some way. It was sort of a Christian history. It was all the prequel to that. And there'd be some sort of the term Hebrew is always used, never Jews. So the ancient Hebrews, and somehow the Hebrews just sort of became the Christians. And I don't know the Jews just got, they didn't get a memo or something”
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“And then Christianity, of course, in its own way just sort of. The whole Jewish thing, doesn't it? I mean, I hesitate to use that term, but that's what you do. It's just like, well, we're the Jews now. Okay, you used to have a unique relationship with God, but now it's been passed over to us. And so, you kn Thanks for the Bible. You know, I can remember that, and my mom's side I was periodically exposed to Sunday school.”
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“One of the ideas, of course, is that at the end of time, just before the second coming, one of the signs, how we can only know that Jesus is going to return and the world is going to end? Well, the Jews will all convert. There will be a mass conversion. They'll sort of see the light. Now, so there have to be Jews around to do that, or we won't, you know, it's like a Canary in a coal mine. You have to have them there to tip it off. So that was one of the arguments as to why within the church as to why Jews would not be forcibly converted. Beyond the fact that it's just kind of bad policy to forcecibly convert people because you don't know whether it's sincere. They need to be preserved A kind of artifact Which will then redeem itself. At the end of time. It's not something which is encouraging. It predates Christianity.”
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“So that's really where you see the Earliest version of that. In the reasons for it would be Complicated, but you could say is that going back to Meneto and to the Roman period. Jews, Judeans frequently experience difficulties, conflicts with other people. Living around them. And part of that probably had to do with the diaspora, which was the movement. Well, you know, you get the idea that the Romans came in and kicked everybody out, which they didn't. Jews had been leaving Judea since it was a poor, limited area and moving into areas like North Africa, Egypt, Cyrenaica, all the way into southern France. They moved widely around the Roman Empire. That sense of both distinctness and hostility existed since ancient times. So it wasn't just the attitude of the church towards Jews was mixed by.”
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“And that was probably influenced also by some of these earlier rebellions that had taken place in Egypt during the Roman period. You not only have the Judean rebellion and Seventy AD, but you have a couple of other uprisings in North Africa, and there are very bloody affairs. And in some cases, Jews begin massacring other people around them. They start killing the Greeks. The Greeks start killing them. So there was a fair amount of from that period onic, a certain amount of bad blood of mutual contempt between Greeks or between Hellenes, between the people who became Hellenized, as the Romans would be. And the Jews And the Romans also seems to have developed much of that idea. You know, they considered Judea as being a horrible place to have to govern, inhabited by a stubborn, obnoxious people. Not well liked.”
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“Hebrews. Hebrews robbed the Egyptians. They were taken in. We took them in and sheltered them, gave them jobs. And then they stole all the jewelry and ran away. We didn't even chase them. We were glad to see them gone. So it's a different narrative on that story. But it essentially portrays the Jews as being hostile. They don't like other people. Their contemptuous of other people's religions, the rest of it. And see, the Greeks tended to think of themselves as being extremely cosmopolitan. The Greeks run across people worshiping other gods. They go, oh, this is just our gods under different names. Everything was sort of adjusted into their landscape. So you end up with that kind of of hostility, which was there at the time.”
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“Also, I think it repeats the sort of Egyptian version of the Exodus out of Egypt, which is quite different than the biblical version. In this case, the Egyptian, you know, they worked as, you know, they stole all the stuff out of the Egyptians' houses and ran off into the desert.”
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“It goes all the way back. The Greeks Let's blame them So, one of the first occasions you find the idea that Jews are a distinct Mean spirited, nasty people. Goes back to a Greco-Egyptian historian named Manito. This is around, I think 300 BC. Early. Can't even rope the Romans into this one. Summonetho is trying to write a history of the dynasties of Egypt. I think his history of the dynasties of Egypt still is one of the basic works in this, but he tells this whole story. Which essentially describes the kind of first blood libels that the Jews to celebrate their various religious holidays would capture Greeks and fatten them up in the basement and then slaughter them and eat them or drain their blood or do something. It's just the sort of earlier version of that kind.”
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“Plate, you take a picture of that in modern day becomes viral and becomes a joke on all social media and now is viewed by tens of millions of people.”
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“What is a turd on a plate? Well, a turt on a plate is a turd on a plate. Suppose you come in and there's a plate sitting on the table, and there's a turd on it. Now the first thing you're going to want is that a turd? Is it a humatur? Where did it come from? Why would someone poop on a plate? There are all these questions that come to mind. It makes no sense. But that's what you come it's just there I don't know where it came from I don't know why but there's a turd on a plate and that's what the protocols they're just there but the reality is”
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“And there was also the same sort of generalized prejudices about Jews. Clannish, distinct, too much influence, all of the things that went on. So it's sort of easy to combine those two things together. And even though Taxel admits it was a hoax, There were those who argued that this is just too accurate. It describes things too completely to be a hoax. And that you get the same arguments. In fact, I've heard the same arguments with the protocol. I don't even buy this as an example of plagiarism because you can't actually prove what's being plagiarized in any sense. To me, The protocols are a prime example of what I call a turd on a plate. These things crop up. I have to explain that. Yeah, please.”
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“One of the things that people began looking for was that why was there a war? I would have just had this whole disastrous war and the world has been turned upside down. So there has to be some kind of explanation for that. I don't know. And one of the things this offer is, see, there's this evil plan. There's this evil plan that has been put into motion. And this could possibly explain what's taking place. The reason with the protocols, which were, I think, widely. Bought then and where they still are in many ways is the same reason that the taxel hoax I was talking about was because it told a story that people wanted to believe. So, in France in the 1890s, there was widespread suspicion of Freemasons. He was seen as a Somewhat sinister, secretive organization, certainly secretive.”
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“It doesn't become a big deal until really after the First World War, because the initial versions of it are all in Russian, and let's face it, while that's widely read in Russia, it's not much read anywhere else. It's a different alphabet. Nobody can even see what it means. So it has no particular influence outside of Russia. But then you get to 1919. And you get all these different versions of it. So suddenly you get two English versions in the US, another English version in Britain, a German edition, a French edition, a Dutch edition. Everybody is coming up with these things. So it's not until the immediate aftermath of the First World War that this metastasizes, and it begins to show up in all of these different foreign editions. And I think that just has to do with the changes that have taken place during the war.”
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“It doesn't take off immediately. Never receives any kind of wide. I mean, nobody much reads the first edition of it when it's getting, there is something like 18 or 19 different versions as it goes through. I mean, it gets, you know, people... Leave this protocol out or leave another one as time goes on, there's more and more emphasis on Jews and less and less on Freemasons. So it's sort of, and the whole thing could have begun. As an anti Masonic tract. I mean, you could leave Jews out of it entirely and just turn it into a Masonic plot to rule the world. But let's just throw them in as well, since the two things are already being combined elsewhere.”
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“So, one of the little things that had happened by this time is that France and Russia had become allies, even though their political systems were completely incompatible. And so the Russians were using money to subsidize French newspapers that were championing the alliance between the two, Russian meddling. Now, they're just. Paying to have the right kind of newspapers come out. So there's this whole connection between the kind of Russian journalistic world and the French journalistic world and all of these scandals which are going on and Jolie's son and then, you know, 10 years down the road, this thing pops up in a newspaper in St. Petersburg. That's where I think. Why do you think it took off? Why do you think it grabbed a large number of people's imaginations? Even after it was shown to be. Not actually what it's supposed to be.”
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“In France, and I am an important figure in the Alliance Israelite, the Jewish organization in France. So he was publicly, very prominently Jewish and Masonic. So someone else who would have linked them together. Jolie, as he did with vacially everyone, this is a guy whose life largely consisted of dual threats and fistfights. He gets angry at Cremieux. And it's exactly the type of thing that he might write to vent his spleen about it. But he died. Probably a suicide that's kind of difficult to tell. In obscurity, his son seems to have inherited most of his literary works. And his son then worked for New became a journalist, worked for newspapers in France in the eighteen nineties, but was also associated with some people on the fringes of the Orana or the Russian press.”
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“So France, to me, is the only place that in the decade preceding it that something like this would be concocted. So it was either created by some sort of unknown person there, but I still think that even though me dies in like 1879, in Maurice, Jolie's troubled career. He went from being an opponent of French emperor Napoleon III, which is what the whole dialogues was written against. And then he was for a time a close political ally of a French politician by the name of Adolf. So Adolf Cramieux, what's he got going for him? Well, he was kind of a radical politician. He was an opponent of Napoleon III. He was a Freemason. Oh, and he was Jewish. In fact, at one point, I think he was actually the head both of the Scottish”
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“And he says, Oh, we're going to have a press conference. She'll appear and say all of this stuff as she returns to the church and possibly becomes a nun. And so people show up, you know, high figures in the Catholic Church shows up and he does. No Diana Vaughn and Dogan Pose goes, it's all a hoax. I made it up. You're all a bunch of idiots for believing it. Okay, you, you members of the church especially, just what gullible morons you are And that's it. He confesses it to this day, however, you will find people who will insist that it's actually true because they desperately want it to be true. But this is, I think, the milieu that I like that word apparently, that this comes out of. And this is this whole kind of unhealthy mix.”
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“By a high priestess, Diana Vaughn, and so there's like child sacrifice, you know, weird robey bohemian grove stuff. And the Freemasons are devil worshippers going back to the knights templars. And so there's a thing called the devil in the 19th century and the secrets of Freemasonry. And this became a bestseller in France. So, France is just obsessed below all these kinds of conspiracies. So, evil satanic Freemasons Evil Jewish financiers Dreyfus this is the brew where all of this comes. So I want to figure out how Freemasons and Jews get connected together France is the place where this happens. Now Taxel, or Jogan Paget, eventually pulls another interesting thing in this around 1897, critics argue that he's making this stuff up and demand that he present Diana Vaughn, suppose satanic high priestess, toddler killer.”
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“The taxle hoax was the work of this guy. His real name was, I think, Jogan Paget. He was kind of a French journalist. I don't know, he started out writing porn. So he wrote things like sex lives of the popes and, you know, the erotic Bible and various things of that kind. He was a Catholic, broke with the Catholic Church, wrote bad stuff about the popes. And apparently became a Freemason for a while and then supposedly recanted his evil ways, went back to the church, and then under the name Leohotaxel began writing these whole series of articles, basically arguing that there was a Masonic satanic conspiracy. Run by the way by an American, Albert Pike. And this also included child sacrifice. It's got Pizzagate, and it is wealth.”
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“But my hunch is that that's adopted from a French version. First of all, they're constantly harping on Freemasons, which wasn't nearly as big idea as there. If you go back to France in the 1890s, Some big scandals. Well, there's the Dreyfa scandal. We got that. All right, where you've got a Jewish officer on trial for being a traitor. All right. So that was pro. So you bring in the whole Jewish element. Jews is disloyal. Dreyfus case, 1894. Earlier, you had the Panama scandal, which was this huge investment scandal when the Panama Canal Company in Paris collapsed, and again, many of the major players in that work, Jewish financiers. And then you've got the taxel hoax.”
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“And the same sort of thing comes out, only sort of bits and pieces of it remain. So why would Jolie have done that? Jolie was, we're talking about a man whose career basically spanned the 1850s to 1870s. He's an obscure figure. I'm not even totally sure he existed. I mean, but it's one of those things you go looking for him”
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“I think what someone stumbled across was a work which he wrote and never published. Which he just drew. It's exactly what someone would do working from your own kind of material. Because I've written things and then taken what I've written and then sort of repackaged that into something else.”
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“And what it is is that he takes the different versions starting with the 1902, 1903 versions, and looks through the other ones. And he tries to, in the process, to reconstruct what he thinks the original might have been. But the other thing he does, which was fascinating to me, is that he takes this whole sort of initial text. And in bold type, he indicates the paragraphs, but more often sentences or phrases that appear to be identical from the Jolie work. And they're just scattered throughout it. There's no Particular rhyme or reason to it. You don't plagiarize that way. I mean, who does that? It's sentence here, sentence there. Which has led to a peculiar theory of mine, which of course I will have to expound upon, which is that I think that the original author of the protocols was the same Maurice Jolie.”
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“Well, as no sense of a meeting, these are the goofiest things I've ever seen. Because what you've got here, it's notes. No one takes notes from a meeting that way. What you've got is like the exposition of a bond villain. It's all of this. All of them are going to do this. And then the last thing you want to do is lay out your, if you get a plan for world domination, my suggestion would be don't write it down. So it's It's again, it's another sort of narrative or story that's being told. It bears no resemblance to the dialogue on hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, but what it is, the best thing, it's not particularly readable in some ways. There was an Italian writer by the name of Cesare Michaelis. Who wrote a book translated in English called The Non-existent Manuscript?”
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“Particularly against what it thought was Jewish subversion when they also argued that the prominence of Jews in revolutionary movements somehow proved that this was in some way a Jewish revolution. But again, this is not a mainstream newspaper. It's not appealing to a mainstream population. Very few people saw it. But this is where it appears. Now keep in mind, that's two or three years before it's usually said to have been written. Or the other version is that there's this crazy priest by the name of Sergei Nilis, and he wrote it, or actually appended it as an appendix to his work. In nineteen oh five. No, it was around before that. So Neilis didn't create it, it wasn't drafted in Paris in 1904 and 1905. It was serialized in an obscure right-wing Russian newspaper 1903”
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“So you go back to St. Petersburg, Russia, run nineteen oh three. There is a small right wing anti-Semitic newspaper published there called Znamya, Banner. And it publishes in a kind of serial form A work doesn't credit with any original author. And this is the first version of the protocols of the learned elders of Zion. But what it's actually describing... Is a Judeo-Masonic plot to rule the world. Those two terms are always combined together. And I think in the earlier version, there's far more mentions of Freemasons than there are Jews. And it's, you know, the publisher of Zamia, it's closely connected to a thing called the Union of Russian People, the Union of Russian Men, which was ostensibly existed to defend the empire against subversion.”
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“Which they were then adapting. Usually it's argued that they plagiarized it into the protocols. And none of that is really true. I mean, the first part about it is that at the time this supposedly took place, Rochkovsky wasn't working for the O'Krana. He'd been fired, and he wasn't in Paris. And the whole situation which is described couldn't have taken place because the people who did it weren't there. It's a story. But it provides a kind of explanation for it. So the protocols emerge. So they always have to go back. This is one of the things that... I have found Always useful in research is go back to the beginning. Find the first place this is mentioned or the first version or the first iteration. Where does it start?”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the protocols of the learned elders of Zion Is probably one of the most troublesome and destructive works of literature that has ever emerged. And yet its origins remain obscure. So you get a whole variety of stories about where it came from. So, the one story that is often that it was the work of the Okrana, the Russian secret police, and in particular it was all crafted in 1904 and 1905. In Paris, there's a whole description of. Pyotr Rochko Who was the supposedly the chief of the Okran at the time, was the man behind it, and other fellow by the name of Matvegolavinsky was the drafter of it, and that they This document written by a French political writer from some decades back called Dialogue and Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu”
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“The way to then undermine the real enemy, it was a scene, the revolutionary left, was to point out the Jewish influence there. I mean, look at Russia. Well, Lenin is up at Trotsky. There he is. Look, there's a Jew. There's one. Roddick is a Jew. It wasn't hard to find them in that regard.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The ranks of Bolshevism or of the Revolutionary Left were full of Jews because you could easily go around and distinguish a great many of them. Again, they don't have to be the majority. They just have to be numerous, prominent, and visible. Which they were So this provided you know, in the case of the propaganda of the German army, the type of stuff that Hitler dispute out, they could put all the anti-capitalist rhetoric in there wanted to. The army was never going to overthrow capitalism, and the capitalists knew they weren't going to do it. So go ahead, talk shit about us. We don't really care. That's not going to, because we know that the army would prevent that from happening.”
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