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Rick Spence

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“Okay, your team is going to battle the other team. You've now assembled everyone in the gymnasium. You've got people who are dancing around an animal totem costumes. And what are you chanting? Everyone is supposed to chant that, you know, that the other team dies, that you'll be horribly defeated and that our team will be victorious. That is a magic ritual The idea is it becomes into this idea that's very popular today about visualizing things, visualizing, manifesting. You need to manifest your success. Well, that's just magic. That is trying to cause change in conformity with will. So these things can happen without being even consciously aware of what's going on. And you don't need to be. Because if you're all a part of thee, of the mob, which is there in the gymnasium, and you get into this and you get worked up.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Whether you actually can bend reality. Become bothered by the fact that there are people who believe that they can and will go to great efforts to do so and will often believe they have succeeded So it's this effort to Make things occur in a particular way, maybe just to sort of nudge reality in one little way or another. And that's where things like rituals come in. Rituals are a way of focusing will and detention. We're all there. We're all thinking about the same thing. And you have to imagine just how the pervasiveness of what could be called that kind of magical thinking every day have is everywhere. So let me give you an example. Have you ever attended high school football pepper alley? Think of what's going on there”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because he always does. All roads lead to Allison. All roads lead to Alistair Crowley. Aleister Crowley, and I've said this enough that I should be able to get it right. But I'm paraphrasing here. He goes, magic, which of course he spelled with a K to, you know, or CK. Is the art and science of causing change to occur in conformity with will So, in a way that's sort of mind over matter. But it's the idea that one can through will, through intention. Bend reality. To make something happen. Somebody wants to put it this way it's tipping the luck plane. So, you know, you got some kind of a level playing so the marble rules over one side or another That presupposes a lot of things is there a luck plane? I don't know, but you know, it's a good sort of idea to have. And here again Don't become overly bothered trying to figure out”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Purposes to be exploited here. The most interesting statement about, and a key element of this becomes the thing called magic. We all know magic. You know, it's a guy standing on stage performing a trick. But the interesting thing about a stage magician is that a stage magician is We know whom are watching us that it's a trick. Yet we can't really figure out if he does it well how that trick is being accomplished because it seems to defy physical laws and that's what's fascinating about it. So even though you know it's a trick, if you can't figure it out, it has this kind of power or fascination. But it's mimicking something. Stage magic is mimicking real magic It's real magic. Well, let's go back to Aleister Crowley because, you know, he always has to go. We knew he was going to come up at some point in this earlier”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, what is broadly referred to? We get into what's occultism, what's the occult? The cult is the hidden. All it really means, specifically hidden from sight The basis of it is the idea that what is hidden? Well, what is hidden from us is most of the world, most of reality. The basic concept within occultism, the basic concept within most religions, which are Approved forms of occultism. That the world, the physical world that we are aware of, is only a very small part of a much larger reality. And that what the methods and practices of occultism Arguably do is to allow someone to either enter into this larger reality or to access that larger reality.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The Bohemian Club is, I don't think, in and of itself inherently evil or sinister, but it means that there are lots of different people in it who have different agendas. It goes back to what I said about how somebody feels about the creation of care ritual. This is either just a waste of time. It's just some sort of silly thing that we're doing, or it is something of great... Importance. Perhaps even Mystical or religious importance because that's ostensibly what it's pretending to be. It's always this question as to what degree you begin to play and the play becomes serious. Tends to happen a lot.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even if you are a convinced atheist, I think at some point you have to begin to suspect that the cosmic muffin, Providence, whatever it is, put this money in your hands to do what? Achieve great thing. Just think of all the stuff. So you're going to start a foundation and you're going to start backing all the things that you like. This is, I think there's an element of ego that comes in with it as well. Again, it may not be so much what the rich person with a huge amount of money at their disposal. And a lot of. Fuzzy ideas about what to do with it can be influenced by By others. It's always that question to who's actually manipulating These events What's going on in that regard? In some way, they can be a very useful sucker. Find somebody with a lot of money and get them to finance the things that you want them to do.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Put it this way that the general public rich people are inherently suspicious Let's put it that way. First of all, they've got all that money and exactly how did one obtain it. And I do not. Of necessity adhere to the view that behind every great fortune there is a great crime, but there often are ways in which it's acquired. But I think it's One of the things I think that can happen is, particularly when people acquire a huge amount of money. And I won't name any names, but let's say there are people who perhaps in the tech sphere, who coming from no particular background of wealth, suddenly find themselves with $600 billion. Well, this is the question you would have to ask yourself, why me? You're one of the rare tiny group of human beings who will ever have that kind of wealth in your hands.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, see, here's the question Are these guys actually picking who's going to be president? Is that the decision which is being made, or are they just deciding what horses they're going to back? Think the latter is the simpler version of it, but it doesn't mean that's the other way around. But these are the kinds of I mean, Nixon was, you know, there was the whole 1960 thing. So he's the new Nixon. Remember this, and this is where the new Nixon apparently made a good impression on the right people. Because he did indeed The rebel nomination. And he did indeed become president.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And whether or not it's part of the agenda or not, inevitably you're going to talk about things of interest. But to me, the mere fact that you invite people in, political leaders, to give lakeside talks, means that there are weaving spiders which are going on. And it is a perfect... Private venue to vet people. For political office”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, despite all the talk about no weaving spiders coming around here, what are the other features of the summer meeting are things called lakeside talks? And this often people are invited to go there. And one of the people who was invited. Think around 1968 was Richard Nixon, who was making his political comeback. And he was invited to give a talk. We're very important people are listening. And Nixon, in his memoirs, realized what was going on. Was being auditioned as to whether or not he was going to be read. He recognized that that was really the beginning of his second presidential campaign. He was being vetted. So one of the main theories, call it a conspiracy theory or not, about the Bohemian Club and the gatherings is that people of wealth and influence gathered together.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sinister about what's going on, but it is clearly a ritual carried out for some kind of group reinforcing purpose. And you're absolutely right. You don't have to do it that way. That's not an, I mean, I've gone to summer camps and we never carried out mock sacrifices in front of an owl. We did all those other things. We didn't even have any robes either. It goes beyond merely a rich guy summer camp, although that's an aspect of it. And also, I think, often obscures that focusing on Bohemian Grove at the getaway of the club ignores that the club is around all the time. That's what's at the center of this. It is the club and its members.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“How would you know? And we're going to, and this is the cremation of our care, but it's a ritual which is meant to produce a sense of solidarity and relief among those people who are there. Question comes down to the rituals is how seriously do you take them? How important is this to the people who carry them out? In the interesting answer to that is that for some people it's you know for some people it's just boring I mean there are probably people standing around the owl who think this is ridiculous and can't wait for it to get over with there are other people who are kind of excited about it to get caught up into it but other people can take it very seriously All the matter of the intention that you have about what the ritual means. And I don't mean to suggest by that that there's anything necessarily”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of it is to create this kind of sense, I suppose, of group solidarity. You know, you're all going to appear and also a way of sort of transcending Yourself, in a way, you know, when you put on the robe. It's like putting on a uniform you are in some way a different or more important person. It's a ritual. The key ritual at Bohumian Grove is a thing called the cremation of care. And cremation, and that's what it's supposed to be. We're going to put all of our, you know, we're rich, important people. We have to make all of these critical decisions. Life is so hard. So we're going to go out here in the woods and we're going to kick back. And we're all going to gather around the lake and then we're going to carry, you know, it's wicker. It's not a real person.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, part of it is the ritual aspect of it. And yeah, that clearly is a ritual. Rituals are pretty simple. Rituals are just a series of actions performed in a precise sequence to produce an effect. That describes a lot of things. It describes plays, symphonies, every movie you've ever seen. A movie is a ritual. It is a series of actions carried out in a precise sequence to produce an effect with an added soundtrack to cue you to what emotions you're supposed to be feeling.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“True, some of those skits look like pagan human sacrifices, but you know, it's just a skit what's really going on there. So on the one hand, you can argue, look, it's just, it's a rich guy's club. They like to get out there. The whole motto of the place is weaving spiders come not here. So we're never going to talk about business. We just want to get out of the woods, put on some robes, you know, burn a couple of effigies in front of the owl. Have a good time. Probably get drunk a lot.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was and still is nothing terribly unusual about that at the time, but it became fashionable and as it became fashionable, more wealthy people wanted to become part of it. And the thing about getting rich guys to join your club is what do rich guys have money. And of course it's one of those rich guys that bought Bohemian Grove where now you build your old boy summer camp, which is what it is. They got cabins with goofy names. They go there. They perform skits. They dress up in costumes.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, first thing I have to point out is that Bohemian Grove is a place, not an organization. It's where the Bohemian Club meets. It's that 2,700 acre old growth redwoods near north of San Francisco. The Bohemian Club began, I think, back to the 1870s. Its initial members were mostly journalists. In fact, supposedly the name itself comes from, it was a term for an itinerant journalist who moved paper to paper, it was called the Bohemian. And although I think there may be other. Reasons why that particular term was chosen as well. But I think the original five members, there were like three journalists. There was a merchant and there was a Vintner guy who owned a vineyard's California how surprising. None of them terribly wealthy.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So in other words, whether or not specific conspiracy theories about this or that group of organized pedophile cultists is real, all the ingredients for that to be real are there. Edophiles exist, organize pedophilia exists, child in human trafficking exists. At some point, at some time someone will put all of those together. In fact, certainly, they already have.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Trenched bureaucratic. Well, it's been said, and I think it's generally true, that bureaucratic creatures are like any other creatures. It basically exists to perpetuate itself. And to grow. I mean, nobody wants to go out of business. And of course, you get all of these things like Pizzagate and... Accusations of one form or another. But here's an interesting thing to consider. Okay, and I want to argue that I'm not saying that Pizzagate in any way was real or Q&A, but where do they get these ideas from? So let's ask ourselves do pedophiles exist Do organized pedophile organizations exist? Yeah, they share information, pictures, they're out there on the dark web. They cooperate. So, does child trafficking exist? Yeah, it does.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“American politicians could ultimately end up in a position to oversee things like intelligence budgets. One of them might even become director. You never know. You can never tell what some crazy president might do. It could be very, one of the guys who understood the hoover. J. E. Hoover spent a long time collecting dossiers and politicians. How do you think he'd remain director of the FBI as long as he did? Because he systematically collected dirt on people. There is a history. This type of thing. And again, he could argue that's partly for his protection to keep his job, to protect the sanctity and security of the bureau. You can find a million different ways to justify that.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I went to Lolita Island. So if it isn't Epstein directly, he might have been being, I'm not trying to let him off the hook because I have anything for him. He was either running his own blackmail business or someone was using him as a front for that. I mean, I think we're kidding ourselves if we try to pretend that's not what was going on.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Brown shirt chief of Berlin in various states of undress and sexual congress. And he did that for the purposes of blackmail. So, in Epstein's case, he is a procurer of young girls. Two wealthy men, largely. Many of those events were recorded. Now, even if it wasn't his intention to use them for blackmail, think of what someone else could do because people know about this. So you can raise the question is this, not Epstein is just kind of a Greedy pervert But through his greedy perversion, he's now collecting information that can be useful, who could that be useful to? Who would like dirt? On Prince Andrew On the Think of all the people who were there, and these were important people who were.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I've heard it both ways. Gilane or Gilaine, whichever it may be, I think her argument at one point was that we did this to protect ourselves, but this type of thing has been done before. There's nothing new about this. Getting influential people in compromising situations and filming them. I could give you another historical example of that. In late 1920, actually early 1930s, just pre-Nazi Berlin, there was a very prominent sort of would-be psychic and occultist by the name of Eric Jan Honeson. He had a private yacht, I think it was called the Seven Sins, and he hosted parties. He also had a whole club called the Palace of the Occult, which hosted parties where things went on, and there were cameras everywhere. He filmed important people. You know, guys like the...”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, let's look at what Epstein He was a businessman who then also developed a very lucrative sideline and being a high level procurer. Basically, in supplying young girls He also Filmed much of that activity. I think his partner in this, Gelaine, and I'm hope I'm pronouncing her name correctly.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You can set up venture capital firms. You got plenty of money, and you can funnel that money into the hands of people who will carry out this research privately, so something goes wrong, you have perfect deniability.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, one thing that was learned, and the reason why most MK Ultra and similar records were destroyed. On order in the early 70s, around the time the CIA became under a certain amount of scrutiny. Now, the mid-70s were not a good time for the agency because you had the church committee breathing down their neck. You had all of these assassins. People were asking lots of questions. And so you need to dump this stuff because there's all kinds of, because you are committing crimes against American citizens. So let's eradicate it. And the important lesson to be learned is that never do this type of thing again. Where at least in any way in which the agency's direct fingerprints are placed on it. You can pay people, you can subsidize research.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They would have no memory of it. They couldn't give any kind of secret away because it was embedded in some part of their brain where there was a completely different person. I mean you can just imagine the Possibilities that you can dream up. And again, it's not, I think, the question as to whether that is possible or whether it was done. Well, I suspect that both of those are true, but that you would try to do it. Then imagine the mischief that comes out of that. And one of the big complaints from a legal standpoint about MK, Ultra, and the rest is that you were having medical experiments essentially being carried out on people without their knowledge and against their will, which is a no-no.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One person put it that the basic argument there or the basic thing you're after was to understand the architecture of the human mind. How it worked, how it put together, and then how you could take those pieces apart and assemble them in different ways. So, this comes, this is where hypnosis comes in, which is a Was then still is a fairly spooky thing. Nobody's ever explained to me exactly what it is. The idea was could you think of the whole possibilities in this case? Could you create an alternate personality? And use that alternate personality in an agent role. Then be able to turn it on and off, so subsequently the person That personality inhabited was Captured and interrogated, tortured, you know, had their fingernails torn out.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that eventually is what you find out in the efforts made during the nineteen fifties and sixties through MK Ultra, MK Search, MK Naomi, and all the others that came out. That's one of the things they're working for. And among the few MK Ultra-era documents that survive, there's that whole question is that you get someone to put a gun to someone's head and pull the trigger and then remember it later. Yeah. You could, interestingly enough.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And two of the things they note is that one of the things we could potentially do is erase memories from people's minds and implant false memories. That would be really keen to do that. Just imagine how that would be done. So here to me is the interesting point. They're talking about this in 1949. MK Ultra does not come along until really 1953, although there are all sorts of artichoke and others. Everything is sort of leading up to that. It's simply an elaboration of programs that were already there. I don't think that it ultimately matters whether you can Implant memories or erase memories to me the important part is they thought they could and they were going to try to do it.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's not held in any kind of, it's essentially never really happened because it's in somebody's house. And there are a couple of guys there from the CIA. One of them is Cleve Baxter. Cleve Baxter is the great godfather of the lie detector. Pretty much everything that we know or think we know about lie detectors today, you owe to Cleve Baxter. He's also the same guy who thought that plants could feel, but which somehow was a derivative of his work in lie detectors. So these guys are there and they're giving a talk to some military and other personnel. And there are certain parts of the document which are, of course, redacted, but you could figure out what it is that they're talking about. And they're talking about hypnotic suggestion and all the wonderful things that you can potentially do. Hypnotic suggestion.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Take an example from American intelligence, from the CIA 1950s, 1960s into the 1970s, MK Ultra. That is a secret program which was involved with what is generally categorized as mind control, which really means messing with people's heads. And what was the goal of that? Well, there seemed to have been lots of goals, but there was an FBI memo that was, I recently acquired, quite legally, by the way. It's declassified. But it's from 1949. This is only two years after the CIA came into existence. And it's an FBI memo because the FBI, of course, very curious what CIA is up to, and the FBI are not part of this meeting, but they have someone in, they're sort of spying on what's going on. So there was a meeting which was held in a private apartment in New York”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And killing also is generally frowned upon. Put people in prison for that. They're otherwise executed, but in certain circumstances killing is one of those things that you need to be able to do. So what he felt he was being told in that case is that, you know, once you entered this realm, the same sort of moral rules that apply in general British society do not apply. And if you're squeamish about it, you won't fit in. You have to be able to do those things.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think John La Coray gave his pen name. He was talking about his early recruitment into British intelligence. And one of the things he remembers being told up front was if you do this, you have to be willing to lie and you have to be willing to kill. So those are things that in ordinary human interactions are bad things. Generally, We don't like it when people lie to us. We expect that people will Act honestly towards us, you know, whether that's being a businessman you're involved with, your employers. We're often disappointed in that because people do lie all the time for a variety of reasons. But honesty is generally considered to be it. But in a realm where deception is a rule, Dishonesty is a virtue. To be good at that. Be able to lie convincingly. Good. It's one of the things you need to do.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your job. You're supposed to be suspicious. Your job is not to be trusting. The amazing job of an intelligence agency is to safeguard your secrets and steal the other guys. And then hide those away.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It goes back to something that I think the British observed is that countries don't have friends. They have interests, and those interests can change over time.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A greater tendency to Abuse power that one might have. I mean, frankly, they're all pretty good at that. It is fair to say that there's probably some degree of cultural differences, that not necessarily for institutional reasons, but cultural reasons. There could well be things that Americans might balk at doing more than you would find on the Russian or Soviet side of the equations. The other aspect of that is that Russian history is long and contentious and bloody. One of the things that certainly teaches you never trust foreigners. Every foreign government, anywhere, any country on your border, is a real or potential enemy. They will all at some point if given the chance invade you. Therefore, they must always be treated with great suspicion.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Domestic counterintelligence and foreign intelligence components of the KGB. But there would be less of that to a degree because there was a single organization. They're all answerable to the same people. So that gives you Certain greater amount, I think, of leeway and power because you're controlling both of those ends. Remember somebody telling me once that, and he was a retired KGB officer. There you go. Retired. One of the things that he found amusing was that in his role, one of the things that he could be is that he could be anywhere Any time Any dress Which meant that he could be in or out of uniform and any place at any time. He was authorized to do that. So more freedom, more power. I think one of the things that you would often view is that the Russians are simply naturally meaner. There's less respect for human rights.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They can't run around in the country carrying guns to use on people. They can't arrest you. They can't interrogate you. They can't jail you. They have no police or judicial powers. Now, that means they have to get that from someone else. That doesn't mean that other agencies can't be brought in or local police officials corned or whatever you need. you can eventually acquire but they can't they can't do that directly so you've got this division between foreign intelligence and domestic counterintelligence often split between Hostile organizations, the relationship between the FBI and the CIA, I think it's fair to say, is not chummy. Never has been Always been a certain amount of rivalry and contention between the two. And it's not to say that something like that didn't exist between”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you look at both the Okrana and the KGB, one of the things that you find consistent is that they A single organization handled foreign intelligence, that is spying upon enemy or hostile governments, and also internal security. That's all part of it. Whereas, if you look at the US models that evolves, you eventually have the FBI under Hoover quen insists that he's going to be the counterintelligence force. If they're commi spies running around America, it's the FBI who's supposed to ferret them out. The CIA is not supposed to be involved in that. The charter, the basic agreement in 1947, did not give the CIA any, you know, it's often said they were barred from spying on Americans, which isn't quite true. You can always find a way to do that. What they don't have is they don't have any police or judicial powers.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It can also be a combination of the two. I mean, you can create a recipe of these things, certain amount of money? Ego and the little push of coercion that if you don't Will rat you up. You'll be exposed.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You're the only one that knows this. You're the only one that knows that the person who is sitting across from you to which you have sworn you're a loyalty, you are simultaneously betraying. What a rush that must be for some people.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And if I was to take a guess as to whether it was ideological motivation, whether it was the romance of communism, or whether it was the appeal of ego that was the most important in his career of treason, I'd go with ego. And I think that figures into a lot. Someone doesn't get their promotions. They wanted And if you look at something like Aldrich Ames career in particular, you've got these kind of his career in the CIA was. Hit or miss. He didn't get the postings or promotions that he wanted, his evaluation. He never felt that he got credit for doing that. And that's the type of thing that tends to stick in someone's craw. Can lead for egotistical reasons and added incentive.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's a way of manipulating this. And then finally, we come to the E. That, I think, is the most important ego. Sometimes people spy or betray because of the egotistical satisfaction that they receive. The sheer kind of Machiavellian joy in deceit. An example of that would be Kim Philby, one of the Cambridge Five. Now, Philby was a communist, and he would argue that he always saw himself as serving the communist cause. He also made this statement. I think it's in the preface to his autobiography. And he says, one never looks twice at the offer of service in elite force. He saw him about his recruitment by the NKVD in the 1930s, and he was absolutely chuffed by that. Mere fact that they would want him what he considered to be a first rate organization would want him. Satisfied his ego.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, what do you do in your party when you find out the chief of your terrorist brigade was a secret police agent? It sowed consternation and mistrust. Nobody in the party would ever trust that you couldn't tell who you were sitting around. I know that a fellow I wrote a biography on Boris Sevinkoff, who was a Russian revolutionary. And the second in command within the terrorist organization, by the way, the guy that wanted Azev's job so bad he could taste it. Well, on the one level, he expressed absolute horror that his boss was a police agent, and will he should because Sefenkov was a police agent too. See, they already had the number two waiting in the wings to take over. But he was legitimately shocked he didn't really suspect that.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Actually, the biggest revolutionary party, the SRs, who aren't even actually Marxists, more anarchists. But they went all in for the propaganda of the deed. They really like blowing people up and carrying out a say. And it carried out quite a campaign of terrorism. Fellow who is the head of that terrorist organization was a fellow by the name of Yevno Azef. And Yevno Azef was guess what? An Okrana Everything he did, every assassination that he planned he did in consultation. With his control. So he'd kind of run out his string, there was increasing suspicion of him. He was also asking for a lot more money So the Akrana itself arranged to have him ride it out. And what did that do?”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The SR party, and there's a committee meeting, and you're going to look at the reports that file, they all better agree with each other, right? If one person doesn't report what the other two do, then perhaps they're not entirely doing their job, and they can be liquidated at any time. All you do is drop the dime on them. When this was done periodically, in fact, in some cases you would be betray your own agents just to completely discombobilate to the organization This happened in one particular case around 1908, a fellow who was the head of the chief revolutionary terrorist organization, which wasn't Bolshevik, but the so-called socialist revolutionaries.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We'll keep the rest of your comrades in jail for a while, you know, maybe beat them with a rubber truncheon or so. And then we're just going to let you go. Just going to put you back out on the street And if you don't work for us, we will spread the rumor. Through our agents already in your organization that you are. And then what will your comrades do? How long are you going to live? So you see, you have no choice. Your hours and you're going to cooperate with us. And the way that that effectiveness would be ensured is that you have multiple agents within the same organization who don't know who each other are. That's very important. And they'll all be filing reports. So let's say you have three agents inside the central committee.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The sea is for coerc Where you have to persuade someone to work for you. You have to pressure them. So usually you blackmail them. That could be they have a gambling habit. In the old days, it was very often because they were gay. Gets them in a situation where they can be compromised and you can get them to do your bidding. Those people usually have a certain amount of control. Here's an interesting example of how the Okrana tended to handle this. I think it's still largely used. You'd round up a bunch of revolutionaries. Some charge or another, distributing revolutionary literature, running any illegal printing press. Bring a guy into the room, and you say, Okay, they're going to work for us. He, of course, would refuse to do so. They go, well, if you refuse, I will”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source