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Russ Hudson

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“Will they take it too far all the time? For one thing, they try to put everything into the Enneagram. And there are things about human beings that just have nothing to do with the Enneagram. Talents, for example, if you have musical talent or athletic ability or you have a good brain for numbers, whatever, all of those things really have nothing to do with your Enneagram point. They're independent factors. Enneagram can help us understand certain kind of emotional problems and things, but for others, good old regular psychology will do the trick. I think also the big problem I see, you touched on this earlier, Shane. People learn this and they use it to reinforce their self-concept. They use it and oftentimes, and this is what I have to be very patient with, I do not bust people on their Enneagram type. I don't believe in it. I think it's rude.”
2020-09-01 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · #91 Russ Hudson: The Pursuit of Presence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Be different things. Confidence could be acting tough. You know, that's a kind of ego version of it. But actually. Organically, confidence arises out of our relationship with our body. Like, the more I feel embodied, the more I feel I'm here, I feel like I belong here. Like it's in a sense right for me to be here, or I have a right to be here. And it's not an inner debate. It's not something that needs to be argued or asserted. It feels natural. So the more we're in our body, the more we're in our power. And that relates to one of the anagram points. From this point of view, each of the anagram points is a vital ingredient for living a good human life. And that's why we want to learn to embrace all of them and not just act like a cartoon of one of them.”
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“It's a tricky business, as you're saying. From my point of view, Ego is helpful to the degree it's taking its proper place. In other words, if I'm remembering what I am here and now, If I am presencing with you here and now, then my ego is here as what it's for, which is to help me function in this world. It's a set of habits and Customs and protocols and programs that have just helped me to operate in the world. And I learned them very young and they still work. I don't particularly want to have to learn how to speak English all over again, right? That is very functional and necessary. But when we are present in those centers, like I was saying, the ego more naturally takes its correct position. It's meant to be a servant, not the master is the traditional way of putting it and I think that's right. Confidence.”
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“Completely understandable, but ultimately, I think that we need some experiences of that nature, but the more those are established, we start to bring that sensibility to our ego. When we do that, we're able to live what we've come to understand instead of it being an escape from how we are most of the time.”
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“Because you're not so identified with it. The problem is not that we have an ego, and I am not one of those people who goes around saying, you got to get rid of your ego, you got to kill the ego. I think that's nuts. I think that, you know, even the people saying those kind of things have an ego. The problem is not that we have an ego, it's that we identify with it to the extent that we forget there's other parts of us. We get lost in certain habitual identities, and then we stop looking. We're learning to be present with the manifestation. So that has an interesting implication. A lot of people think spirituality is about transcending, about getting the hell out of here. I mean, gee whiz, we're all suffering a lot. Of course, we want to sort of shoot off into some non-dual condition where we won't be ouchy anymore.”
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“When we're present with our heart, it brings out more of the qualities of kindness, patience, peacefulness, courage, a lot of good stuff. When we're not present with the heart, we're reacting to everything. Everything's pushing our buttons all the time, positively or negatively. But if you take one, you get the other. And then cognitively, as we actually come back to ourselves, our mind simmers down and not into a sleepiness, but a kind of calm clarity where we just see what's going on in us and around us. And when you bring that sensibility to your personality, you can see it in action.”
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“And not just listening externally, listening internally so that new ideas, new realizations can emerge and we're not just feeding on the stuff we already have thought about or already believe. So we learn a practice of getting more grounded in our body, in the here and now. Good thing about the body is it can't be anywhere but here and now my thoughts and feelings can be all over the place. But if I can feel myself breathing or feel my Self resting in the chair, standing, or wherever I am in the car, wherever I may be, it brings me into a kind of contact with myself. From there, my heart becomes less reactive.”
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“Right. Well, as I was saying, the Enneagram was originally meant to go with the practices to help us be more present and awake in our life. And we do that in the Enneagram by learning about what are called the three centers, the three centers of intelligence, which is the body, the heart, the The body is kinesthetic intelligence, it's instinctual intelligence. As I tell people, if you're hungry, it's not a thought. It's not an emotion. It's your body in a very direct way communicates that information. Food is needed. The heart has its forms of intelligence, emotional intelligence, right? Heart has certain roles to play. And the head when the head is actually presenced, it becomes something different than what we're used to. It's not this inner chatterbox. It's more a quality of deep listening.”
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“Take a breath to pause, to get grounded, to look at it with kindness opens up a whole new toolbox, opens up a whole new palette of colors to paint with. Suddenly I have access. I always tell people is as we get liberated from being identified with the pattern, as we get less stuck in it. The good sides of all of the nine points, which also represent human capacities or talents or gifts, start to come into play more and more. And that's why we learn it. So we can be not so we can just be a type, but so we can be a mortal human being.”
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“I think it helps us grow by learning a few things and the growth comes from seeing our type in action, but it also comes from learning a different orientation toward ourselves Learning to be self aware but compassionately self aware, kindly self aware, to not judge ourselves because, you know, we didn't decide to be this way. It wasn't like I woke up. My dominant Enneagram point is five. I'm a dominant five. So I didn't wake up one day and just decide I was going to be this. It's just happened. As I start to see what that fineness is. In real time, while I'm doing it, not just as a reflection later on, as Don and I used to put it, to catch myself in the act. In that moment of seeing right now, I'm stuck in my pattern.”
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“And those intense defenses manifest as this kind of adhering to these survival patterns, whether or not the coast is clear. We're going to still experience it as being in a siege situation. We're going to keep acting certain ways. So what we do, I don't think people can do anything about what their dominant type is. But what we can do is work at freeing ourselves up from the scary parts of it and opening to the beautiful parts of it. That we can do.”
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“Expression of them, more grounded, more heartful, contributing, not having crazy thoughts in our head, or we could get sort of stuck in the more neurotic and difficult manifestations of it. And that is definitely about nurture. Like how much I'm wedged into my type, how much I'm stuck in that stuff is a function of nurture. Because if I'm growing up in a crazy, difficult, scary, heartbreaking environment. And that's always going to be true to some degree. But if it's a lot, then, of course.”
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“Well, it's a factor. And, you know, people ask all the time, just your Innogram type come from nature or nurture. And the correct answer is nobody knows. And it's the same with psychology. It's probably both. What we can say is that the basic template Is there in temperament meaning we're born with it? We don't know if it's genetic or if it forms while we're still in the womb, but it's very early. In other words, we're sort of set on a certain track very, very early in life in the beginning, infancy and before. It's not like you become a type because your mom forgot your birthday when you were six. That is way too late then. However, One of the big contributions that Don Riso made was that we could be at different stages of development in any of these types. We could be in the more healthy.”
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“So I think over the years, my goodness, I've probably trained or taught tens of thousands of psychotherapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, a lot of people. And they all marble at once they get beyond the hearing the cruddy pop versions of it and they get into it, they're almost universally amazed at how it illuminates things that they learned in psychology and vice versa. I think that they're We're trying to be good students of human nature. We're trying to really understand what goes on in the psyche and there's a lot of different avenues by which we can do that.”
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“I think a lot of the interesting work that's been done in the last 30, 40 years has been aligning it more with psychology. Certainly Don Richard Riso had a master's degree in psychology from Stanford and a social psychology, as I recall. And we had Dr. David Daniels, another one who passed away recently who was a professor in the School of Medicine. at Stanford. And so there were some seriously trained people involved in it. And so there was always wanting to show and demonstrate how the ideas in the Enneagram link with things that we've learned, particularly from developmental psychology. How in the process of forming a personality, an ego, certain forces get set into play.”
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“That's right. Oh, I did that because I'm a seven. I did that because I'm a four. I did that because I'm a three. Whatever.”
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“And he started to write about it. It took him 10 years to write his first book. It's sort of funny. I get a lot of enthusiasm from young people. It seems like a lot of people have discovered this work recently. And it's not really so much about having a guru tag or being an amateur. It's not really about that. But I just forever trying to explain to people, you can learn the basics pretty quickly. You can learn the distinctions of these nine points and they're pretty mind-blowing. But to really master it, to make it useful, to be able to help people with it takes a long time. More than we bargain for sometimes.”
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“And he learned about the Enneagram through Gurjif sources and really was a brilliant genius guy who was looking at various ancient systems for looking at human development. He was looking at ancient Jewish and Christian sources, some Buddhist sources, Hindu sources, etc., and seeing correspondences between them, the way they fit together. And so he kind of came up with a map of these patterns, shall we say. There was a psychologist named Claudio Naranjo, who was a gestalt psychologist. Actually, a psychiatrist, to be more accurate. And he studied with Fritz Perl. He went and learned this from Ichazo, brought it to the United States, and started teaching it to a small group of people. Well, subsequent to that, it kind of exploded. My old friend and writing partner, Don Richard Riso, learned it through the Jesuits.”
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“Well, there's, as I said, there's several pieces that a lot of credit has to go to a man named Oscar Chazo, as I said, who passed away just a few weeks ago. And he was originally from Bolivia, but lived a lot of his life in Chile.”
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“Pay attention to notice what we're up to. It was to train us in a system of self awareness so that we could choose things other than that default. And it helps us do that by seeing how we fall into that default, how we keep getting sucked into a certain way of being certain way of reacting to things. And again, to look at that without judging it or thinking it's bad, but just to notice, oh, I'm stuck. I have other options like that.”
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“Exactly, perfectly put. You have this default and it comes in handy and we don't need to knock it. We've survived this long with it, right? And it's very good for certain things. The point is when we're just going on default, well, it's like we keep doing the same dance no matter what the music is. And so sometimes that's helpful and sometimes it's not so helpful. Sometimes it messes things up. And so the Enneagram originally was always paired with a study of presence or mindfulness. And I'll be here now.”
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“Patterns of temperament that they found and they correspond very nicely to the nine annigram points. So the idea is your temperament is what you lead with, it's how you cope with things. When the chips are down, there's a certain way you're probably going to deal with. Some of us, if there's a conflict, we get in people's faces. Some people when there's a conflict, we go hide. Some people, when we're in conflict, we start brooding. But people have different reactions. So it's not really about just giving ourselves a free pass about all that. It's about noticing it so that we have some options and freedom and can choose other behaviors than other than just our default, if you see what I mean.”
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“Yeah, it's like the way I tend to explain it to my younger students is that you have a type, most definitely, but you are not a type. It's not who you are. It's not what you are. But just like we have hair color or height or certain predilections, we're not born a tabula rasa, a blank slate, right? have certain predilections. We have tendencies. We have what psychologists call temperament. And it's very interesting that there was a major study of temperament in infants done at New York University back in she was early 1960s by two famous psychologists, Thomas and Chess. And in that study, just looking at it empirically, they boiled it down to nine basic”
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“Yeah. I mean, most simply, that's where it starts. It is a typology, but unlike some of the others, a typology for waking us up.”
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“So, I think the part that most people learn about is this nine points and how they are actually representing facets of humanity. I think sometimes people take it too far and the sort of popular version of the Enneagram that is also a turnoff for some people is that it's nine boxes. Which box do you go in, right? But that's not really what it ever was originally. It was originally about these nine points were gifts, capacities that human beings have needs that human beings have, but that when we get to identified with any one of them, a lot of our total humanity kind of drops out, but that we get habituated to live that way. So the idea was to become aware of that, to free ourselves up again.”
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“Long term spiritual teachings, shall we say, started to see some connections and brilliantly saw that there was a sensibility around each of the nine points. The enagram is a circle with nine points on it. And he saw that there were elements of character that had been studied for thousands of years that fit in a certain pattern around that symbol.”
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“I think it gets complex for people around the fact that it is more than one thing. Originally, the Enneagram is a symbol and it's a circle with some inner lines in it, and some people think it looks like a pentagram, but it's not a pentagram. In fact, there's a triangle in the middle of it. That has certain esoteric meanings, the symbol itself. It's looking at the relationship between what things are in their fundamental nature, you might say, as consciousness, and it's looking at how things come into form and the relationship between those things. But the part that got popular is that a man named Oscar Chazzo studying the symbol in relation to a lot of other”
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“It was a book written by men named Peter Aspensky, but it was about the teachings of Gurjif. And George Gurjev was a Greek guy who brought the Enneagram symbol and the teachings around it into the modern world. So I was really impacted by that book. And after searching around for a while, I actually found an ongoing real Grajif group and started studying it. And that was long before I learned about how the Anneagram could also be about types because the original sensibility, it wasn't that. But, you know, it was the stage two of that process was that I read the first book of my friend Don Richard Riso. And that book was called Personality Types came out in the mid-1980s. And I was so impressed with it that I sought him out and it turned out his...”
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“Well, like a lot of things, it's not a simpler a one-shot deal. Know, like a lot of people back in the 1970s, I was looking at various systems of spirituality. I was checking out Indian gurus and I was going to churches and I was doing all kinds of stuff. But I encountered a book called In Search of the Miraculous. And it was...”
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“As soon as I bring attention to my breath, to my sensation, to the kind of luxurious feeling of really being here in this body, for example, just to use that one center, the more we tend to be present and we'll start to notice things that we're not noticing before. And that's the other side is that the field of our attention deepens, gets crisper, and we notice all kinds of things that ordinarily we don't notice because our attention when we're not present is sort of welded to these preoccupations and patterns. And that's what we're looking at with the Enneagram. That's what our type does without presence. It tends to become the survival machine.”
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