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“Birds in a way aren't a ridiculous threat for us. It's a safety threat that anything physical in the air is something that we really have to be careful about, whether we're flying formation off of the aircraft right next to us or whether it's a turkey vulture at 2,000 feet or a flock of 5,000 birds like at the runway and we have to wave off. Although there are low probability, a lot of bases will have actual environmental protection agency employees that are responsible for safely removing migratory birds or different animals that may be in the runways or flying about.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A skill set that you somewhat trained for in the duties of being of hydro pilot and descent, right? Being able to react to your environment very quickly and make decisions quickly.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is. It's so common, in fact, that we know that you never want to try to go over, or you never want to go under a bird if you see it in front of you. You always want to try to go over it because what they'll do immediately if they see you is and you startle them is they'll bring their wings in and just drop straight down to try to get out of the path. It's interesting. I didn't know they did that. So if you immediately, if you try to go under them, they're going to be dropping into you. So you typically want to try to go above them.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would say it's not a little probable event. I mean, this is happening a lot. I mean, although the hits themselves aren't necessarily that common, or I'll say a catastrophic hit, either a near miss or a hit. Or the pilot having to actively maneuver to avoid it is pretty common. And in fact, it's”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There is. There's actual radar systems, and you can go in certain bases you have to call up and they'll tell you what it is for the day or for that hour, and other ones have it in their weather report that goes out over the radio.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've hit birds. I know someone that took a turkey vulture to the face. The cockpit, right? Shattered the cockpit, knocked him out. I think that it actually, I don't know him personally, but it's a story I know from the command I was at. And I believe the backseater had to punch out and punch them both out because he was unconscious in the front seat from the bird. It can kill you from hitting you. It's like a bowling ball going 250 miles an hour. It can take out an engine very easily. Every airport I've flown at in the Navy, I've had to check the bird condition if you will to see how many birds we've had to cancel flights because there's too many of them around the airport. Some airports even have bird radars with military airports.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I guess one assumption there would be that these hypersonic missiles would only be launched and the case would attack. It'd be interesting if there were other hypersonic objects that we could use to flex those systems.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Attack something of that nature. And so there's an old dog fighting framework you could call it. It's called the OODA loop. It kind of made its way in the engineering of business now, but the old observe orientate decide act was initially a fighter mechanism in order to get inside that kill chain of your opponent and break it up so that he can't process his kill chain on you. And so hypersonics is a way of shortening those windows of opportunity to react to that.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hypersonics, I do think, pose a challenge for our detection systems because there are design considerations in these sensor systems as always, right? And when you build them and the technology progresses to a point where maybe it's not feasible to use that technology, there's a problem. But with the all domain and kind of cross-domain data linking capabilities we have, it's less of It's more of a integrated picture, I'll say And so the hypersonics are really what it is is how fast can we detect and destroy a problem? You're just shortening the time available to do that we call something like that the kill chain, right? It's from locating a target and identifying it and essentially authorizing us to destruction by whatever means employing and then actually following up to ensure that you did what you said you were going to do in some sense, right? Doesn't need another reason.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, hypersonic human flight, if it exists, is not something that's employed tactically in any sense right now that I'm aware of. When I think of hypersonic technology, I think of missiles and weapon systems and delivery platform. I don't think of fighter aircraft necessarily. I can think of bomber or reconnaissance aircraft, perhaps, but those would be more efficient, very long, long range. So I imagine acceleration would be kind of gentle, honestly.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the end of the day, crossing the sound bear is much like crossing the speed limit on the highway. You don't really notice anything. To cross that, at least in FA team, because we have a lot more weight than most fighters, is typically we'll do that in a descent. We'll do that a full afterburner, just dumping gas into the engine. And so that'll get us over the fastest I think I've gone was about 1.28. But what's interesting, people realize is that if I take that throttle and I'm an afterburner and I just bring it back to mill, which is full power, just not afterburner, the deacceleration is so strong due to the air friction that it throw you forward in your straps. Almost, you know, I would say, you know, maybe like 70% as strong almost as trapping on the boat is pretty strong. So it's almost like a reverse car crash just for the deacceleration. So the acceleration, you know, is usually kind of slow and you don't feel anything, of course, when you're...”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just going to call out the BS of ejecting at Mach 10 just for the record. There's been, I think at least one ejection that was supersonic. And I'll just say, you know, it was not pretty, but he survived. So there have to be some interesting mechanisms to eject successfully at Mach 10, but I'll digress on that for the moment.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“F35 lands somewhere behind the F22s, so there'll probably be a row of F-22s or F-18s and F-35 will be out back, but it'll be enabling a lot of the warfare that's happening in front of us.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's two real strengths you can have as a fighter. You can have the ability to kind of out muscle your fighter, your opponent, and beat him on G's and power and rate around on them. And then there's the other side of that, which is you can be overly maneuverable. You can bleed energy quickly. And that's what the F-18 was good at because it had to be heavier to land on the aircraft carrier. We had to give it extra bulk, but it also needed special mechanisms to slow down enough to land on aircraft carrier. And so it made it very maneuverable. And what that leads to a lot of times the ability to get maybe the first shot in a fight, which is very good. But if you do make that sharp turn, you're going to bleed a lot of your energy away and be more susceptible for follow-on shots if that one's less susceptible. And so there's just kind of aggression, non-aggression, game you can play depending on the type of aircraft you're fighting.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I know the aviators in the audience are going to hate my answer because they're going to want that sexy muscly F-14 Tomcat type fighter or maybe P51 type aircraft. But the F-35 is maybe not the best dog fighter, but it doesn't have to get in a dogfight, right? It's like, how you'd be the best knife fighter? It's not getting a knife fight sometimes.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, F22 and F35, right? F-22 is a big expensive aircraft, and it was made to be a great fighter. But F-35 is not as great of a fighter, but it's an electronic warfare and mission commander platform of the future where information is what's going to win the war instead of the best dogfighter. And so it's an interesting dichotomy there.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's basically trying to get control of electromagnetic spectrum for the interest of whatever operation is going on. So in the tactical environment, a lot of that is trying to deceive the radar, or can we deceive the missile or just stop their guide and things of that nature.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the accuracy of the targeting systems at range. But there's also a train of thought that hasn't necessarily been tested out yet, which is with the advent of advanced electronic warfare, EW, and or unmanned assets, the battle space may get so complex and missiles may essentially just get dropped out of the sky or wasted such that you're going to be in close with either IR missiles or guns if it's a no kidding you know must defend type scenario.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, dog fighting is kind of an interesting conversation because it's not the most tactically relevant skill set nowadays by traditional standards because the ranges with which we engage and employ weapons are very significant. And so if we're in a scenario or in a dog fight like that, a lot of things have probably gone wrong, right? And that's kind of how this mission was set up, right? It was a no-win type scenario most likely. And so for a dogfight, the aircraft size and the ranges and the turn radiuses make it so it's not very theatrical, right? The aircraft looks small and while it's intense with the systems I have and the sensors and what I'm feeling and all that we've done and we've done it right we take video of that and it's just like a blue sky and you see a little dot out there. So not very interesting. And so anytime it really looks interesting in dogfight arena, that's most likely fiction because we really only get close for a million.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would figure out like a stochastic tactical advantage because even our own blue fighters won't be able to engage in that fight because it would be unsafe essentially for anything else. And I think that's where we have to drive to because otherwise there's always this chicken and mouse cat game about whose tactics and who knows what. But if knowledge is no longer a factor, it's going to make things a lot different.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, there's no time for that type of self-reflection while we're flying. I want to get to that, but I don't want to forget the point that you made about increased randomness being a tactical advantage. As you mentioned, you can introduce autonomy in there. And when you bring autonomy in there, and my expectation would be as we bring different abilities in machine learning, we gather more data, we're going to be able to bring the tactical environment around that jet, the war space that it goes into will almost be at a stochastic level from the enemy's perspective, where it'll almost seem like every tactical environment that go in will be random and yet very deadly because the system is providing a new tactical solution essentially for that particular scenario instead of just training”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Wizo is a weapons systems officer. He's a backseater who is not a pilot, but they're responsible for radar manipulation and communications and weapons deployments of certain natures.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, there's a few people you're usually fighting against in the air. There's the bad guys, and then there's physics and mother nature, right? When we're down at about 100 feet, it's a chess game to stay alive for the pilot and it's a chess game for the wizow to process the information he needs and then communicate it to all those other aircraft that were flying around to ensure that they're putting their weapons on the right target.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I absolutely agree. So what you say is a very good point. And if we were to take a chunk of airspace and break it up into little bits, there'd be places that are better to fly or less good to fly. You know, we are seeing that now with what they call manned unmanned teaming. We see tactical aircraft or some type of aircraft or platform that's being automated and it's not being automated in traditional sense where people think air crew are flying them around and conduct missions, but it's very high level, objective-orientated mission planning that allows the air crew to act more as a mission planner, mission commander versus having to just pick the right assets or fly them around and manipulate them somewhat physically.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some degree, when we ingress to an area like that, we're presented with information about targets, air-to-air or air-to-surface or surface-to-air, I should say, and we can essentially see where essentially the danger zone, if you will, is located. And so essentially, we would stay out of that. And so having a full picture of the environment is extremely important because at the end of the day, if we go in that circle, we can die pretty quickly. It's absolutely crucial.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And there's a lot of complication that can go once we start thinking about distributed systems like that and the ability to self-heal and repair and adapt to losses. It's an interesting area.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As far as I know, you can fly under any radar right now. We don't have necessarily radars that can look through anything. So there is always going to be the ability to mask yourself. But with a larger number of assets and distributed communication networks where those radars are looking makes all the difference. And I said they were ingressing past an iADS, and that's an integrated air defense system. And that linking of air defense systems is what makes it so hard, so complicated. Is that the sensors and the weapons are disassociated from each other so that if you took out the target that was shooting at you, it still has the ability to intercept you from another radar location. So it's distributed and it's stronger that way.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is realistic. So driving those aircraft in the clutter, you know, all radar systems, or most, I should say, are essentially line of sight. And so they're going to be limited by the horizon or any clutter out there. And even a number of radars, if they are located up high and looking down towards that aircraft, the clutter or all the objects such as trees and canyons can have effect on radar systems. And so it can be a type of camouflage.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it changes our mindset tactically quite a bit, right? Because when we're entering someplace, we have the option to enter. But when we go drop a bomb on a location, we're exiting. We don't have that luxury. We don't have that option. So it actually changes our tactics and our aggression level”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ingress means that they're going to be pushing from a start location towards the target or the objective. So there's an ingress portion of the mission and an ingress portion of the mission.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, in this particular mission, it's kind of what we would call a pre planned strike. So there's a In the air crew, in this case, I believe it was four F-18s on the initial package. Their job was to ingress very low down a canyon to stay out of the radar window of the surfs-to-air threats.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even speak to just that particular mission they flew there. And for that particular mission, it's kind of a chess game with yourself to get everything in place. So what kind of flight they flew is called a high threat scenario, which means they have to ingress load due to the surface-to-air threats that integrate air defense systems that are nearby. And they have to ingress low and pop up like we see in the movie. And in that particular movie, that was a pre-planned strike. They knew exactly where they were going. But there's a scenario where we have to operate in that type of environment and we don't know exactly where we're going to strike or going to be adapting to real-time targets. And so in that scenario, you would have one of those fighters down low like that operating as a mission commander, as a forward air controller, and he's out there calling shots, joining on those other players in order to ensure their pointed at the right target. So that's a bit of the chess game that he'll be playing.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Thought the flying was really accurate. I thought the type of flying they did and how they approached the actual mission. Of course, had a lot of liberties. But one thing that seems to be hard to capture on these types of things are the chess game that's going on while that type of flying is happening.”
2022-08-01 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #308 – Ryan Graves: UFOs, Fighter Jets, and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source