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Scott Horton

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“UN flag internationalism. That's just cover for the brute force of American hegemony over the world. And of course, you got to get the liberals on board. So you tell them a bunch of Namby Pamby stuff to get them on board because they like that kind of thing. Oh, look, it's all humanitarianism and we're passing out food or, you know, it's world federalism. It's multilateralism. And all of these little buzzwords that make them feel good about what we're really doing is seeking essentially a Pax Americana over the world. And so That was what was going on now. Obviously, if instead of erasing dividing lines, we're just moving them further east, what's that me? That means we stop at Russia.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That idea that we're going to really be friend Russia and bring them in from the cold all the way with us was never really on the table for discussion. It was dismissed essentially immediately. And so, like, in 1997, when Bill Clinton is throwing them scraps and giving him the NATO Russia Council, I'm going, oh my God, look, they're doing it. They're building the NATO-Russia Council when in fact he's given them the stiff arm and treating him like crap. But I was a kid and I didn't have the internet back then in those different times. But so in fact, in a way, chapter one and two of that book are me grappling with what was really going on at that time when I thought it was something else back then, or I really thought that they were trying to build this world of federalism with Russia and then come to find out that this is Dick Cheney's world, not Al Gore's, if that's, does that make sense, right? That like this liberal Nambi Pamby Blue.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, what's that? To me, in my mind, that fit in with G. Edward Griffin's John Bircher, Grand Design, Conspiracy, where you take the two enemies, move them together, and they're going to form basically like a single white world army of the North to then lord it against Islamic South Asia and or China. And it would essentially be the single one-world army of the one-moral government under the United Nations in this new alliance between the United States and Russia. But that was not true at all. That was not right. And the woolly-headed one worlders like Strobe Talbot, that's his own word for himself.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Does that or does that not include the Russians? But at first the message was, yes, it does. And George Bush Sr. said We want to have a single zone of peace from Vancouver to Vladivostok, meaning the entire northern hemisphere. Now this is why I was such a New World Order Kook in the 1990s is because there were enough threads of things like this where part one side of the argument was essentially that yes, we should bring Russia into NATO too.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“How best in deep senses of that term to take advantage of this, we really have a huge responsibility for how we act now. And so one of the things that occurred to them immediately was, as so many of them put it, Them being the foreign policy establishment and including the administration. Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton, too. We don't want to move the dividing lines in Europe further east. We want to erase them completely. We want a Europe that's whole and free.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“After our great, peaceful victory here. I mean, for people who are too young for this and don't understand or something like. You were to ever believe in magic or God or miracles or something like that kind of a thing. The Soviet Union essentially just fell away in peaceful revolutions and simple withdrawals in almost every case. Now the dictator in Romania and his wife were put up against the wall and machine gun to death, civil war broke out in Tajikistan, I think, and there was fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan. And it was not perfect. But man, on the sliding scale of grating things on a curflex, it was perfect, man. It was you could not have had magic wishes come true in a way to make the Soviet Union just dissolve away the way they did. That kind of peaceful victory was the kind of thing where it was like,”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And where they say, hey, we have to stay in the Middle East to contain Saddam Hussein first and foremost. Freed Zechariah said in the 90s, Saddam Hussein is our lynch pit in the Middle East. If he did not exist, we would have to invent him. Get it as an enemy to heaven so we have an excuse to stay. We have to expand in the Middle East, and this is the whole story as we've told so far here, but then also we have to expand NATO. That's the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, America's Military Alliance with Britain, France, and the other Western democracies, including Western Germany and now Germany and the rest, as we've incorporated more and more in Eastern Europe as well. Our military alliance, we have to expand it into Eastern Europe. There's a huge question at the time about Like the obvious thing was”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so this was the idea. And in the defense plan and guidance, just as in the famous study by the Project for New American Century, Bill Crystal and Robert Kagan's group that was called Rebuilding America's Defenses that came out in nineteen ninety eight, and by the way, you can find, I'm pretty sure you can find both at scotthorton.org slash fair use. The defense plan and guidance for nineteen ninety four, again written in 1992, and there are two different versions of it. They made them rewrite it, but it's essentially the same thing. And then the project for New American Centuries Rebuilding America's Defenses. These are basic neocon doctrine for the end of the 20th century.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The Soviets said, actually, we like you guys better than the Germans. So, yes, we would even agree with that. Now, the purpose of NATO in the first place, according to his first general secretary, Lord Ismay, the Brit, was to keep the Soviets out, sorry, the Americans in, the Germans down, and the Soviets out. You can replace the Soviets with the Russians, right? So the idea is we're not leaving. Again, this is the era of the defense planning guidance. America will dominate the planet. You can call it empire. You can call it dominance. You can call it preeminence or... Primacy Zabinda Brzezinski likes to call it crystalline Kagan called it benevolent global hegemony. This is the unipolar moment of Charles Krauthammer. And in fact, in his rejoinder to Jean Kirkpatrick, he said, we should stop at nothing short of global domination.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that's right that the Soviets actually agreed with that, that as James Baker put it in his discussions with Gorbachev, he's like, hey, would you prefer an independent? Potentially nuclear armed Germany? Its own foreign policy, or wouldn't you prefer that we stay in Germany”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes. The book is divided by presidents. Those are the chapters. I go through a start with H.W. Bush. We have a few flashbacks to the fall of the Soviet or earlier days of the Cold War and the Reagan years. But basically we start with the end of the last Cold War and the overthrow of the Soviet Union by the Russian government led by Boris Yeltsin at that time at the end of 1991. The red flag came down on Christmas Day nineteen ninety one. Never forget it. And people can watch that on YouTube. There's a great Ted Koppel special about it, ABC News. Really good thing. And so that was the end of Soviet communism. Then the question was, well, now what? And the answer was America's got to stay. If America leaves, and by the way, the Soviets, I think, and Jeffersack said this the other day on Pierce Morgan, I think, no, no, no.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They're just a security threat to the United States of America I'd buy anybody to make a coherent argument that's not based on just pure lies and sophistry. Quick bath and break once more, and then let's do that Cold War, man. I'm having fun. Like we talked about provoked. You wrote a book on Cold War two point zero.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Including the Chinese supersonic sea skimming missiles. They got those from American Designs, pilfered by the Israelis. Jeff Stein from Spy Talk when he's not being an insane Russigate lunatic, poor Jeff, I used to respect him, but Jeff Stein reported numerous times that the FBI and CIA do a report, actually they made them stop doing this report because every year they said that after Russia and China, Israel is the worst country that spies on the United States of America and is the greatest security threat for the counterintelligence agents in the United States, trying to hold them at bay. Russia and China and Israel are the countries that spy on us the most, again including Bill Clinton, and they tried to blackmail him with their information about Bill Clinton cheating on his wife.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Al Qaeda in Syria, but that was Obama helping them back Al Qaeda in Syria. They helped. Ronald Reagan sell missiles to the Ayatollah. When he was back in Saddam at the very same time. I guess we owe them big for that, otherwise, they steal our secrets and sell them to the Soviets or to the Chinese.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know what's really bad about Americans is they let three or four million Muslims live here and go to whatever mosque they want and don't bother them at all. And it's fine Ooh that enrages us Oh we hate that America for all their freedom of religion where a tiny Muslim minority is able to practice in peace and security That ain't it that's not how an FBI informant recruits dupe into a plot they cite American foreign policy a hundred percent of the time so the FBI knows same thing that I know same thing that the FBI testified to the 9-11 Commission I think they identify with the Palestinian issue And I think that's why they're taking revenge against the United States of America. And so what do we get from Israel on all this? Like maybe we need to invite Dubowitz back in here so he can tell us what is one thing that Israel has ever done for us? They helped Obama back”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Impossible to tolerate the violence that George Bush Barack Obama slash Donald Trump slash Joe Biden are bringing to the people of the Middle East. And don't you want to do something about it? Here's $10,000. Say you love Osama into the microphone kid. And he goes, yeah, I'm really angry about American foreign policy. I love Osama. Give me twenty thousand dollars. And off to the penitentiary he goes. And that's how they get him every time. They cite American foreign policy. Do you think that there's a six-figure salary paid FBI informant in this country anywhere that's going to try to recruit a terrorist by citing freedom?”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Motivating them to come at the United States. And especially when you're talking like lone wolf cooks where it can be just one jerk with a rifle can do a hell of a lot of damage whether anybody on the internet even recruited him to do it or not. And especially with real ability to recruit there. And again, just like always, man, just like with the FBI entrapments, there's almost 300, more than 300 FBI entrapments on terrorism charges. Trevor Aronson is the greatest journalist on that question. He wrote a book called The Terror Factory about the FBI. And every time they entrap some idiot into a bin Ladenight plot, what do they tell him? Don't you hate freedom? No, they tell him.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm serious about that. These guys are coming back here. And now it's true. I should stipulate again Israel loves Al Qaeda and Isis. As long as they're killing Shiites, they've got a pretty good relationship with Al Qaeda in Syria now. Last December, Abu Muhammad al Jolani, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq and Syria, broke out of his pen and sacked Damascus with the help of Turkey and Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu went to the border, gave a press conference, and took credit for it himself, okay? That and Ben Shapiro got on there and said, yeah, it's okay to take it over, but that's good because at least they're pushing the Shiites out. This is somehow the leader of American conservatism. You tell me how that worked. But yeah, anyway, so right now, overall, Israel has very close relationship with Al-Qaeda. But then again, so did Bill Clinton, and they still attacked us. Right? Just because we're supporting them here doesn't mean they won't attack us there. And we're still most.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And then, of course, we know, and we've talked about the events that followed. I got to say again, I guess just to finish this segment up, to reiterate, I think our highest priority, really, and in fact, as much as I like seeing Tulsi Gabbard persecute the Russiagate felons who framed President Trump for treason and deserved to be banished with their families from North America forever, I really wish that Tulsi Gabbard actually only had one priority in the entire world, which is protecting us from bin Laden night terrorism.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because that's all he can do. He sputters. Oops. Was I supposed to say it like that? I guess probably not, right? Because what's he saying? He knows. It is the most difficult part of his job, is trying to figure out how to get people to believe that this aggressive war has anything to do with defending ourselves from that other thing that happened that one time, you know, when he clearly was just obfuscating and”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And even pretend macho enough to act like that when America needed a man, there was W. Bush, right? And people believed so hard in him after that. And then he ruthlessly exploited their goodwill and their faith in him in order to manipulate them and lie to them, to use their sons, to go to a war for his own reasons that he knew had nothing to do with protecting us from terrorism. In fact, again W. Bush is so bad at this. He told Katie Kurick on CBS News. One of the hardest parts of my job is connecting Iraq to the war on terrorism.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I would argue it does not work out too well for him, but it makes it, I think, very clear to us, just frankly, like how much contempt they have for us, you know, George W. Bush, it really meant a lot to people, Lex when he climbed up on that fire truck, and he said, I hear you, and we all hear you, and the rest of the world will hear you soon. People really were like, man, we need a leader, and we got.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, and Scrooge John Kerry, this ain't got nothing to do with sticking up for him. And, you know, in my book, I quote the entire statement here because I would not want anyone to mistakenly believe that I quoted any of this out of context. It's one of those things where like, nope, let's go ahead and see everything that he has to say. And to our benefit, George W. Bush is only so smart and only so good at getting away with this He would like he clearly has had conversations with his staff about how we're working we have to change the subject really for Osama to Saddam and it's a little clumsy and a little difficult to do but we're gonna have to kind of figure out how to do that and so this is W. Bush sort of taking a stab at it except that he's just not up to the task, right? So he can only be as smooth as he is in trying to make these statements.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To show just how much our government cares about the American people's interests here. See if you can find George Bush from march two thousand two. And the quote would be I'm truly not concerned about him bin Laden.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“America is the worst thing about all those countries, the violence that our country has brought to them, the absolute destruction, the wholesale wanton and cruel violence against women. Populations that never did anything to us. Not one of these groups had the slightest thing to do with September 11th unless you want to say that Omar should have just slipped bin Laden's throat in'99. I guess I'd agree with you about that. But, you know, the axis of evil, Iran, Iraq, and Syria, none of them had anything to do with September 11th. There wasn't a single Iraqi Syrian or Iranian on those planes or behind any of that at all. Obviously, the only reason they put North Korea in the acts of evil is because if they put Syria in Uda went, wait a minute, this beach was written in Tel Aviv, dude. What does this have to do with Osama bin Laden who killed our guys? Who Bush has already let get away? Oh, you want to do something? Let's end with this for this part of our section before we move on to the Cold War.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Course, the brutality and the corruption of the dictatorships of North Africa and of the Gulf, you have just the absolute widespread accepted custom of child abuse among the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan, especially Afghanistan. I don't know as much about in Pakistan. You have, of course, the absolute tyranny over women in almost all of these countries where they're made to wear the hijab or the veil or even a burqa, whether they want to or not, and these kinds of things, whatever. We could go on and on here, Lex, about the imperfections of these countries. But guess what? You know what's the worst thing about Somalia and Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan?”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One time humiliated Neil Ferguson's wife, Hersa Ali, if you know her, she's the atheist ex-Muslim little pet mascot of the war party there that they trapes around and have her demonized Muslims and whatever. And I humiliated her in a debate in front of a bunch of people at Freedom Fest in Las Vegas. And it was funny because at the end of the debate the host of the debate said to me that, wow, you made her case better than she did and then you destroyed it. And my case that I was making was about that there are real problems in the Muslim world. Like, for example, the worst thing probably is the female genital mutilation, female circumcision they call it. In Eastern Africa and in Kurdistan is where that seems to be the worst places where those traditions are still continued to this day. And then you have, of course,”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Good enough, not like ours is. Y'all's independent judiciaries aren't independent enough, not like ours. Y'all's rule of law is too subject to the will of men. You need to really encode this thing and follow it like in the deal, right? We could have”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. I don't have an argument. I'm just saying. And that's the American creed. And that's why I believe in, I believe that essentially all of liberalism and conservatism and socialism are all deviations from the true American way, which is liberty and property and the individual's right to determine their own destiny. That is what it's all about. And if we lived that, I mean, imagine being afraid Germany and Japan are going to rise back up again. This whole time, we never needed to do any of this. All we had to do was be free. We could have done, as Jean Kirppatrick said, abandon the entire empire, been a normal country in a normal time this whole time, stayed out of all the world's conflicts, perfected our republic to the best of our ability, made political and individual liberty our highest political goal, and shown the world how it's done. Y'all spills”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I absolutely think that. And this is why I'm a libertarian. To me, libertarianism is real American distilled. To me, the Declaration of Independence, that is the North Star. Everybody's born free. And I don't even have to prove it to you because I'm armed and I'm telling you, dude, I'm not giving up. You understand? That's what it says. Me too. Self evident to me”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then that will divide the people here. It'll lead to all kinds of acrimony and accusations. And eventually, you'll have the partisans of foreign nations in charge, and they will denounce as unpatriotic the Americans who don't want to share their allegiance with another power. And all of these things you couldn't have a twenty first century author write it any more eloquently or convincingly than George Washington himself in his farewell.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Post, who's now a regular writer at the New York Times, he said the very same thing about keeping America available to protect Israel. And then he says in the same article, but it's totally an anti-Semitic canard that anybody who supports Israel and supports these wars does so at America's expense or in any way contrary to America's interests, but then he's the one who's saying that's what we have to do is bend America to Israel's interests and couldn't be anything more anti-American than that. And I would encourage people to read George Washington's farewell address. The guy was a brilliant genius, and he wrote the thing himself and it's probably four or five thousand words on foreign policy where he says that we should always eschew entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world because we'll form unnatural passionate attachments to the interests of these other nations.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Empire itself because, as Irving Crystal and Norman Pod Horrid, it's probably the two most important neoconservative leaders of that generation both said in the nineteen seventies that this is their words. I'm not saying this and I'm not saying people took their advice. I'm saying this is what these two neocon nuts said was this is virtually certain this is the podhoritz quote is Jews don't like large defense budgets but we need to support them because we have to make sure that under whatever excuse we keep America engaged in the world so that it is available to help Israel and this is a big part of why they're China Hawks why they're Russia hawks why they're anything hawks why they're Venezuela hawks because to them the greatest this is what Brett Stevens said in the New York Times the former editor of the Jerusalem”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Majority of American Jews opposed Iraq War II. And you might say, well, yeah, but that's because they're liberal Democrats. Okay, fine. Well, they're not Ariel Sharon's men, are they? More American Jews per capita opposed to Iraq War II than any other ethnic or religious group as they divided it up in the polls at that time, right? So it's clearly not the lie that Mark Dubowitz would try to put in my mouth in order to discredit what I'm saying. But what I am saying is some pretty ugly true things about the role of the Israel lobby in the United States. And again, just as Mir Scheimer says, they have to work this hard. They have to spend this much money, and they have to go around calling everybody a Nazi because that's what it takes to get Israel to keep doing what Israel wants. The US has different interests that we would pursue otherwise. And so it takes this extraordinary effort to bend our empire to their will. And including, yes, even supporting the”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He wrote letters to all the New York papers saying he bombed the World Trade Center as revenge for American support for Israel and bombing Iraq from bases in Saudi, just as his uncle Kali Sheikh Mohammed would say years later after doing september eleventh. It's always about Israel, dude. Always was. Again, even the dual containment was always about Israel. They said we had to stay in Saudi. So, you know, I know Dubowitz is watching this right now and saying, see, see, he's blaming it all on the Jews, but that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that Israel, which calls itself the Jewish state and happens to be run by Jewish men, and that's what their thing is, that they have interests that are very different from ours, and that they're lobbyists and they're, as Justin would call it, they're amen corner in the United States, has their interests at heart and those interests are opposite ours. As Justin, I know, would hasten to point out that”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is not nothing, right? It's just like bin Ladenites almost toppled one tower over into the other. Let's start paying attention now instead of later, which by the way, Ramsay Bin Al Shib before he fled,”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Glad you mentioned that. Guess what? The LET, which are the bin Ladenites of Pakistan. There's a journalist named Steve Kall who wrote Ghost Wars about Afghanistan and he wrote Directorate S about the Pakistani ISI, their secret intelligence service, who backed the Taliban and backed the bin Ladenites. Well, the LET, Lashkar-e Taiba, was one of their groups and they seized, according to Steve Kall, They seized control of an Indian ship for a time before special operations troops were able to go in there and kill them all off. Well, that ship had nuclear weapons on board. Apparently the jihadists didn't know that. They probably would not have been able to access them or know how to use them, but still. Bin Lodnite jihadists seized control of a ship that had atomic bombs on it.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And which they don't mind again because it just gives them more to do. And because, again, the bin Ladenites are over there, not over here, and they like killing Serbs and Russians and Shiites. And so that's all cool.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We have to do next the next time that we have to pay the price for what Israel did the last time. And I'm sick and I'm tired of it.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some people party in on Bourbon Street on New Orleans, like to you, you might say that is a sacrifice I'm not willing to pay. Who could be more innocent than people partying on Bourbon Street? What could be more American than having fun with your friends and family on New Year's Eve? Why should they have to be crucified for Israel's sins? It makes no sense at all for the American people to have to put up with this, but where you would say no, enough, intolerable they would say who cares? A few expendable civilians, they might as well be Afghans. They might as well be Palestinians, the people of New Orleans. George Bush doesn't care about them, nor does Barack Obama or Joe Biden or Donald Trump for that matter. The next time there's a terrorist attack you and I already know what's going to happen. They're going to blame it on fundamentalist radical Islam, which makes evil people hate good people and want to kill us. Now we have no choice but to do with whatever what he wants to do next BB Whatever he said.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Kind of helped lead to the rise of all this terrorism. So, what do you think about that? He says, are you kidding me? What's a couple of stirred up Moslems versus the liberation of Eastern Europe whom the destruction of Soviet communism? We know what we're doing. And he says in that same interview that we were not necessarily, I love the way he says this. You could apply this exactly to the Ukraine war. We were not trying to provoke them into invading Afghanistan, but we were knowingly increasing the probability that they would, which is of course the exact same thing. And so, you know, that's the attitude. Again, terrorism is a small price to pay for being a superpower if you get to be the superpower. That's how they look at us.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. It's the most cynical thing, man. You know, like there's an interview, you probably read this before. A lot of people are familiar with this. Sabuna Brzezinski was interviewed by a French magazine in 1998. No Luell Observator or some kind of thing. I don't speak French, man. They interviewed him and they said, This is in 98 now, so this is after the Taliban have come to power. I think it's before the embassy attack, but it's after Kobar, and it's after the First World Trade Center bombing and the National Guard attack of 95 in Saudi. The reporter asks him, Amen, so All our support for the Mujahideen”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And they're still here. They did San Bernardino. They had a failed attack on the subway in New York. They had a failed attack on a marathon in New York and New Jersey. They had a successful attack in Boston at Fort Hood, in Little Rock, Arkansas, Pensacola, Florida, and Corpus Christi, Texas. These are all in our era post september eleventh terrorist attacks against our people because of our government serving Israel's interests primarily in the Middle East.”
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“And I'm terrified, quite honestly. I know there are a lot of people who kind of downplay this. I am legitimately terrified of bin Ladenite terrorism. I ain't afraid of the Shiites. I don't think the Ayatollah wants to fight us. And I don't think Hezbollah is going to do nothing to the United States of America without his say so, and he ain't giving it. It's the bin Ladenites who tried to knock our towers down in'93 and who did in two thousand one, killing thousands of our people.”
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“His way from Houston to New Orleans. Just the same as Omar Matin complaining about Obama killing the women and children in Syria in the nightclub massacre of, I'm sorry, what year 2000 I'm sorry the Orlando pulse massacre. This is blowback from American foreign policy. And again, not for being a good friend to a good friend, but for being a loyal ally to a state that doesn't give a damn about us, that celebrates when September 11th happens to us because it means that we will now be easier to manipulate and put into the service of carrying out their foreign policy goals and spend our treasure that kill our men that empower their enemies requiring us to do even more to fight for them and against them back and forth over and over for decades. And all we get out of it is confiscated wealth and dead civilians.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Prove this yet, but you mark my words, and we'll see whether I'm right that the guy that attacked New Orleans on New Year's Day drove his truck down Bourbon Street, killed twelve people, and injured another few dozen, and then we're very lucky in the sense that when he finally crashed he crashed into a backhoe or a bulldozer at the end of Bourbon Street, and there just happened to be a group of six cops, I think it was standing right there. So when he crashed and he got out of his truck with his gun, they blew him away. Otherwise he could have killed many, many more people. Who was he? He was an American Army veteran who had converted to Islam and signed up with the Islamic State. And what are the chances, Lex? That on New Year's Eve twenty four That this man is motivated to do this for any other reason than American support for Israel and the Gaza Strip. There's a ninety nine percent chance that that was what he was ranting about to his parents in his video messages that he recorded.”
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“Worse, worse. And in fact, as Aguilera says, he goes, Man, I've been all over the terror wars. I've never seen anything like this. He told the BBC, he said, what's it like? It's like Terminator 2. Remember Terminator 2 where it's after the H-bombs have hit Los Angeles? That's what it's like. Right, an absolute horror show. And man, it's America's fault. No less than the Yemeni War was the American Saudi war. This is the American Israeli genocide. It's not a war. It's a slaughter. It is a canned hunt against a helpless captive, you know, a prisoner population. And just like happened on September 11th, just like happened to that couple that were assassinated outside of the Israeli embassy, just like what happened with the guy attacked with the makeshift flamethrower in Boulder, Colorado. And I can't.”
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“It's true. And Lex, they like it. They think it's funny. They don't give a damn. They don't give a damn to kill a premature baby. That premature baby was going to grow up to be a Palestinian one day. Nits make lice. Kill them all. That's the doctrine. Again, harettes, there are free fire zones. If anyone is between here and here, you just kill them. There's no sign that says this is a free fire zone. If it's an 11-year-old boy walking with his little sister, you shoot and kill them both. Kill anything that moves, just like America and Vietnam Like James Madison Fallu”
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“And they refused to leave and said, We are protecting a nik you, full of premature babies in their incubators, and we will not leave them. And the Israelis said you have to leave or we're going to blow the place up. If you do leave, we promise that we will take possession of these premature babies and protect them. And then you know what they did. They left them in their incubators to die, all of them. And the media went in there and found a room full of corpses. So under George H.W. Bush's theory, America has to launch a war against Israel now and carpet bomb Tel Aviv because this is proof of Israel's intent to quote systematically dismantle Palestine. Was the excuse for Iraq War One, and it was a lie. This is true”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is a genocide. And that doesn't just mean a giant massacre. And it doesn't just mean ethnic cleansing. They are attempting to destroy the Palestinian people as Palestinian people. They have bombed all of their universities and schools, all of their government offices that have any records of land ownership or family histories. They bombed every last hospital in this strip, Lex. Remember when we argued about whether or not they bombed the parking lot that one time at the start of the war? They destroyed them all. You want to talk about babies and incubators? There was a hospital in the Gaza Strip. This is an absolute guaranteed verified fact if you want to stop and pause and look it up. We can do that. Otherwise, your audience can surely find this. These Palestinian doctors were threatened and told, we are going to absolutely kill every single last one of you if you don't get out of that hospital right now.”
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