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Scott Horton

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“Result of American wars, like scaring a bunch of refugees into Europe and then killing even more people, and then they commit terrorist attacks, things like that, which is, again, all Israeli foreign policy that's getting them killed. But now, anti-Semitism is good for Israel, and they know it. Benjamin Netanyahu is as cynical as can be about this, if you remember when there was one of these attacks, I believe, at the Kosher grocery store in Paris.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have it on film. I'll show it to you right here. He said, Hi, who are you? And what are you doing here? Oh, that's interesting. Why are you doing that? That's what he said. But the thing is, they came all this way after being told that everybody's trying to murder them. They're in the land of the Holocaust, and there is no Holocaust going along anywhere. That was at that time seventy years before. And they don't need a Massade bodyguard at all, in fact. They don't even need Stanley Smith's security there at all. Just their teacher would be fine, and no one there is antisemitic, and no one there means them any harm at all, and these high school students then have a hard time coping with that and trying to figure out what this weird world is that they're living in, where it can't be that they were lied to. It's got to be that guy must have said something hateful to us under his breath. I'm pretty sure he did. Didn't he say something about how we're donkeys or something, right? And they just have to come up with this in their own mind to rationalize the danger that they've been told by people that they trust that they're in, when in fact they're not. And when in fact, when they are, it's the direction.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When confronted with the fact that actually nobody hates you at all And that's like they feel so uncomfortable. At one point when they go, he goes on the field trip to Auschwitz with these high school kids. And they meet this old man and he's like, hi, who are you? And they're like, we're kids from Israel. And we came to see Yasha. So he's like, that's interesting. Why are you doing that? And they're like, well, it's part of our history and the thing that we're doing. He's like, oh, okay. And then the next day at one point they're walking through this beautiful green field. It's like puffy clouds and blue skies and chirping birds. The Holocaust is long over now in Poland. And so it's a beautiful scene and they have a massade bodyguard there to protect them from the anti-Semites who are going to jump out of the woods and holocaust them all if he wasn't there to protect them. And then the next day, the guy says to him, so how was your trip to Poland? How have you liked it and everything? And the one girl starts explaining, yeah, this old man, he came up to us and attacked us and called us Jew donkeys and all these things. And he says, no, he didn't.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That people are willing to then go to the utmost lengths to destroy their enemies, you know, when they can. And of course, Hamas did a very good job on October 7th of playing into that script. But now we're taking our time here today. So before we get to that, let's talk about Eros Jeron one more minute here because.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so then it's like an anti fragile belief Daryl Cooper was talking about this on our show the other day, that the more people say, my God, Israel, what they're doing is so wrong and I disapprove and I don't like them anymore, the more they say see, right? He compared them to the branched Davidians, right? When people turn against us, it's just like we predicted they would. You see what they're doing? It's just like before. And so there's no room in there to say, hey, wait a minute, maybe we really are going too far here. If all our friends are telling us that we're doing the wrong thing, what the hell? Nope. You know how the anti Semites are. That's all they do is that's all they want to do is all they think about all day long is how they can harm us, all of them. And so under that state of paranoid siege, then you shouldn't be too surprised.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“With no let up. It's show her this, show her that always. And they really tell the people, they really do raise them to believe that every non-Jew in the world wakes up in the morning with only one goal, to kill all the Jews. And that's all anyone else cares about or thinks about. And they're all looking for the first opportunity. And aren't you glad that Israel's here to protect you? Otherwise, it would be another Holocaust immediately tomorrow, right? That wasn't the result of the most insane, fanatical, cranked out lunatics to ever seize power in a major industrial nation. No, that's what all of humanity wants to do to us and would do at any moment if they could. That's what they're told. All day, every day. And to a great extent then believe it.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have you ever seen the documentary Defamation? It's really great. It's made by an Israeli Jew who goes out in search of antisemitism. And the worst anti-Semite in the whole movie is his grandma on the West Bank. I'm not going to quote her because she's a vicious anti-Semite. But the thing is, is he goes traveling all around the world trying to find anybody who hates Jews for being Jews and he has no such luck. And he goes and he hangs out with a boxman at the anti-defamation league and he goes on a field trip to Auschwitz with some Israeli kids. But the beginning of the documentary, he shows how the propaganda campaign against the Israeli people by their government is essentially like America 2002 forever.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and so even if the population of the United States, say the population of Texas broadly in hell, in you could measure the polls go back, I bet you it's better than 85% of Texans supported George Bush's invasion of Iraq. Does that mean any of them deserve to be killed? Because they supported his evil premeditated plots to kill people? No That's politics. That's government. That's the individual men who pull the decisions, the individual men who told the lies to convince the hapless to go along. They're responsible. People who cheerled for it. Let's just concede much less so. Okay. You know, if the people of America said absolutely not, well, that would have been better, and ultimately it was up to us if we could get enough of us to be good on it all at once.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Which is the same thing Osama bin Laden said, which is the American people are responsible for the actions of our government after all, you're a democracy, aren't you? And you pay your taxes, he said, and so that was why he said it was okay to kill us. I would never agree with Madeline Albright or Osama bin Laden about why it's okay to kill innocent civilians at all as diametrically opposed to their philosophy as I could possibly be. And that goes for absolutely when Palestinians kill innocent Israeli civilians. And if people say, well, they're settlers and colonists and all this too, fine. They're not holding a gun. They're not a combatant, then they're not holding a gun and they're not a combatant. That's it. I don't know what the Geneva Convention say. That's what the Horton Conventions say. I don't care about any of that.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even more so. No, even before that, even before that, you know, the Palestinians are considered to be the barbarians. They are the enemy. They are the Goyam. They are The obstacle to what the Israeli government and the ideal is for the country to have. Wouldn't it just be better if we could get rid of them all? And that is the consensus and just get rid of them all one way or the other. And I think that, you know, whatever. I'm not saying, as Madeline Albright would say, the people of Iraq are all responsible for Saddam Hussein and I'll starve them all and grind their bones to make my bread as long as they won't overthrow Saddam for me.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They were trying to figure out a way to help the people of the Gaza Strip and even to someday recognize their independence and freedom and do something for them. Those people got caught up and murdered by Hamas that day. There are not just liberals and leftists, but libertarians and different. There are plenty of army veterans and whatever. You want to go with like the overall percentages. There is a resounding consensus for this type of policy in that country reminiscent of America circa two thousand two. In a way that we do not have.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, absolutely. Although I would say that by the Israelis argument about popular sovereignty and popular consent among the Palestinians for Hamas, they are far more implicated in the actions of their government. There's virtually unanimous political consent for Israel's government's actions in that country. Their political spectrum is from Dick Cheney to Hitler. With Dick Cheney being the leftist progressive, they are a national socialist regime at war under a theory that they are a master race ruling over the Unter Mention. It is a barbarian society. And does that implicate every last Israeli individual civilian human being? Of course not, Lex. A bunch of the people who are killed at that rave, they were actually there at a peace function.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The deck, and then it hit, and Netanyahu said it's very good, and then his fifth column lied us into war with Iraq. And he never got his pipeline to Haifa, by the way, but he did make a deal with the Kurds to ship the oil out of there through Syria to Israel, so they got their nickel a barrel discount. At the cost of ten trillion dollars of our wealth, and the ruining of the entire beginning of the third millennium, pardon me. But it just did not have to be this way. It just did not at all.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, man. And listen, on September 11th, Donald Trump says that there were Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the attack. There was somebody in New Jersey celebrating the attack. They were Israeli Massad officers, and they were arrested, and they told the arresting officers the problem isn't us, the problem is the Palestinians. And the FBI released the pictures, and they're holding lighters up like they're the ones burning the tower down and they're all laughing and celebrating, justin Romondo called them the high fivers. The FBI arrested them and held them for months. Carl Cameron of Fox News did a four part investigative series quoting FBI agents as saying they had to have known what was happening. Massad was in the United States following the hijackers around, and they only gave the barest of warnings that August they did not tell everything that they knew about the September eleventh.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In an interview on September 11th, it's very good. You want to pull that up? September 12, 2001, New York Times, Netanyahu very good. How much respect Benjamin Netanyahu has for the Enlistment age sons of the United States of America, and the dead civilians on those planes and in those towers New York Times. That's it”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Wrangle these phony Abrahamic courts, which we're about to describe here in a minute. He did all of this for him, has only barely talked him out of annexation, but said we'll get to it, though, buddy. It's cool. Just wait on full annexation of the West Bank last time around. Clearly it's the agenda this time. Clearly Trump's wrapped around his little finger, and still he has nothing but contempt. And I wish that someone would tell Trump, listen, pal, you might as well be a Palestinian to this guy. He doesn't care about you at all. He doesn't care about our country at all. Back to my question about Mark Dubowitz, my hypothetical here, which goes for all pro Israel factions in the United States. You think Benjamin Netanyahu cares that three thousand Americans died on September eleventh because Mohammed Ata was taken revenge for what Israel had done in Lebanon? No, and you know how I know that, Lex? He told the New York Times. They didn't overhear this and report it. He said to the New York Times,”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have no idea. He blackmailed Bill. He told Bill Clinton you better let Jonathan Pollard out because I have you on tape with Monica Lewinsky, pal. And Bill Clinton was going to do it, except that George Tennett said he would resign and that many leaders of the CIA would resign in protest if he did it. Jonathan Pollard was one of the most destructive spies in American history. He was spying for Israel, and they were turning over everything that he stole, I mean, rooms full to the Soviet Union.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, he never had any respect at all. Don't let me sound sympathetic to old Bill Clinton, the child killer here when I say this I can almost sympathize with him when they say after his first meeting with Netanyahu in nineteen ninety six after half an hour, he came out and said Who the F does this guy think he is? Oh my God, who's the superpower and who's the client state? Like he was out of breath, exasperated, just stunned.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Support us. It's absurd. I'm not afraid of Bill Clinton. Let me tell you what I did to Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton said yada yada area C. I said no problem, Bill, but then you know what I did? I made it where Area C is this huge military area two thirds of the West Bank. Haha sexually assaulted old Bill right in the face and got away with murder, and not because his spies were blackmailing Bill Clinton tapping his bone, and all of his escapades. They used that blackmail to try to get him to pardon Jonathan Pollard. That's different. They were doing that. But Netanyahu here is mocking Bill Clinton and he's mocking the American people for being essentially a bunch of grasshoppers that he can do whatever he wants with us, including lie our fathers into sending their sons to die in his wars.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is it. This is it. Yeah, so you just mute that and just read the caption there. So let me set this up. Netanyahu in this video, he is no longer the prime minister. He's at a settler's house in the living room. He tells the boy, turn off the video camera. And the boy either fails to turn it off or he deliberately turns it right back on again. It's a bit unclear. But the video keeps rolling and Netanyahu keeps blabbing. And he's saying what you do is you just beat these Palestinians, you just heard them and cripple them and kill them and weaken them and let them know that they'll never win and will crush em and blah blah blah. And she says, Ah, geez, BB, but aren't you going to drive the world crazy and make him mad especially America and Netanyahu then ridicules us and says let me tell you something about America, okay? America is a thing that is easily moved. eighty percent of them”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Them here and bisect them there so that they can never have a state of their own. And that was their goal this whole time, this radical seller movement. We talked about the 90s, we talked about the clean break when Netanyahu came in. The clean break again is a clean break from Oslo. And yet Sakra Bean and Shimon Perez's attempt to negotiate with the Arab states and the Palestinians. And of course, Netanyahu, if you're not familiar with this, we should maybe play this as long as we're taking our time here, Lex. Let's see if we can find secret video of Netanyahu.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so she, there's a great new documentary called The Settlers. I forget, I never saw part one of it, but the sequel that just came out is called The Settlers. It's really good. And it includes extensive interviews with her. And there was a statement that she made recently in the last two years or a video that came out that some journalist had revealed this video, I guess, of her in the 1970s. Or maybe it's her in more recent times just talking about the 1970s. Forgive me, but people can find this, I'm sure. And what she's saying is from the moment they took over the West Bank, she worked with Ariel Charon to create an archipelago of settlements across the West Bank in a way to preclude the possibility of a Palestinian state as fast as they possibly could. That was absolutely their first object, is we've got to bisect.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“World to try to justify it all. Now David Ben-Gurion, the founding prime minister of Israel, said, Give it back, give it up, let him have it. Yeah, we want the land, but we don't want all these people. What are we going to do with them all? Like, what's the end game here? When we're taking possession of millions of people that we hate and don't want? And so it's not worth it to do this. That's Ben Gurion, the founding guy, said that, and they told him, yeah, yeah, yeah, we know what we're doing. And you're probably familiar with this woman, Daniela Weiss. You'll see her in various documentaries and so forth. She's the insane zealot saying we must occupy and settle all of Gaza and all of the West Bank.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A leftover religious edict from 3,000 years ago that says that you can say whatever you want about the Palestinians and their natural property rights under lock-in theory and the Western conception of how one comes to own a thing. And they will say, nope, we have supernatural property rights that says that we get to come and kill you and move into your house and do whatever we want and recognize no rights of the Palestinians just like justice Taney or Tani saying that the black men have no rights that a white man is bound to respect, right, in Dred Scott. That's the way that they treat the Palestinians. They call them grasshoppers, not even mammals. They're just insects to be eradicated because the Israelis covet their property. It's as simple as that. They want to covet it so they kill so they can steal. And that's it. And then they'll come up with every lie in the world.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They are not free, and Israel is not a democracy when half the people under the control of their state have no rights at all, no civil liberties, no civil rights as far as like participation in governmental process, no taxation without representation, they have no representation whatsoever. And the thing is about it is what makes them not slaves is the Israelis don't want them, right? They're not forcing them to work for free. They're certainly depriving them of all of their rights and humiliating them every chance they get, stealing all their water resources, murdering them, pillaging them, stealing their territory, a little bit at a time, and working toward a day when they can finish the job and just take it all. And what's really messed up, man, is that they don't even really want the Gaza Strip that bad. I mean, sure they do. What they really want is the West Bank as their religious zealots call it Judea and Samaria, and that they have...”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Seven borders Israel are Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians. So you combine their population with the occupied population of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Now you're talking about 50-50. Only the Israeli Jews have all the power in the Palestinian Muslims and Christians have none and in the occupied territories they live as utter slaves as though under communism, under not just martial law but foreign government, occupation military law, in other words, and by the Israelis no law at all. We're talking children brought before military courts in a foreign language and sentenced to dungeons without any process. We are talking about totalitarian slavery like under the NKVD in the USSR.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Crow type situation, where they're not allowed to intermarry, they're not allowed to live wherever they want around Jewish communities that don't want them with only one slight exception the tradition has always been that they can have a political party in the Knesset, but no group of parties would form a majority with them. In other words, any group of Israeli Jewish parties would rather let the other guys form a coalition than form a coalition with the Arabs. And that only changed one time in our very recent history here, I believe, during Donald Trump's first term or maybe early Biden when Yar Lepid needed to ally temporarily with Arabs, was a one time they've ever broken that tradition. So anyway, I'm off on a tangent, but there are, as I said before, it's 80-20. So there's one-fifth of the population of Israel proper or whatever, green line Israel, 66.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Stole Gaza in 1967 and all the people on it too, and the West Bank too and East Jerusalem, including East Jerusalem, as well as the Golan Heights, that he stole, that they stole from the Syrians. Those poor Druze and their occupation usually gets much less mention, but they were kidnapped along with the Palestinians as well. And the thing is about it is that they wanted that land. They didn't want the people, but they couldn't just get rid of them all. They had cleansed their 750,000 to create the Israeli state. They couldn't push the rest of them the rest of the way into Jordan. Now they have, I don't know what the number was exactly then, or I forget what it was then. We're now talking about almost six million Palestinians on the west bank, the Gaza Strip, and including the one fifth of the Palestinians who are citizens of Israel, who don't live under occupation, but as sort of second class citizens of Israel like under Jim.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Why there was so much resistance among Jewish communities against the creation of the Israeli state in the first place. And Sheldon goes into that in great depth. It's just a fantastic book. It's a little bitty book. I mean, everybody get right through it, but it's really worth your time. So where I'm going with this is the 67 war. And what happened in 1967 is that Israel took possession of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and all the Palestinians on it. Now they cleansed another 250,000 Palestinians. They expanded their border a little bit in the West Bank and cleansed about another quarter of a million Palestinians off of their territory at that time. That usually goes unnoted. But the thing is, is they quite literally, man, they de facto annexed. I heard a report on my way here today. I was listening to Dave DeCamp's anti-war news and he was saying Israel is threatening to annex Gaza. Well, Israel”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And he shows how most religious and again Reformed Jews were against it. So it's going to, you know, cause Jews to divide their loyalties. It's going to cause Jews to be falsely accused of dividing their loyalties. It's going to cause nothing but endless disruptions in the Middle East and problems for the United States of America, which is actually their country. I mean, think how insane it is. To call American Jews the Israeli diaspora when they're not from Israel, Israel was created in nineteen forty eight. American Jews came here in the eighteenth century. Man, what the hell? Pardon me, the 19th, I might say, century in the 1800s, and in the 1900s is when millions of Jews came to the United States, right? How in the world are they the diaspora from Israel that came into existence after America became their promised land? You know, and so this was a big part of.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's a saint, right? Nobody's got nothing on Sheldon, man. He is an exceptionally decent man, and there's nothing that nobody can do about it. Right? So what's his motive here? His motive here is decency. His motive here is, and he tells the story of his grandfather. They would always say next year in Jerusalem and his grandfather would say, next year in Philadelphia, because he hated Zionism and he would say this, I'm quoting a quote of a quote of a Jewish guy quoting his Jewish grandfather, okay? Say the Jews are responsible for all the problems over there, not the Palestinians. And Sheldon says that he always regretted that he never had a chance to really ask him what he meant by that and really talk with him about that he was too young and didn't never get around to it, but that his extremely Jewish grandfather who helped raise him in Philadelphia had nothing but contempt for the Zionist project.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Palestinians and challenges the mainstream narrative often presented it in the United States regarding Israel's founding, Richmond, a noted libertarian author, argues for reason, freedom, peace, and toleration with respect to both Palestinians and Israelis turning conventional stories regarding the region on their head. In this volume, Richmond meticulously documents historical events and policies that led to the displacement of suffering a Palestinian people, emphasizing their right as individual human beings and the injustices suffered when they were made refugees dispossessed or killed. This book is recognized for being forthright and honest in its depiction of the conflict, drawing on well documented data and offering a perspective that is often absent from mainstream discourse. Absolutely right. And Sheldon, again, just like if we were talking about Mersheimer and these guys.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Thing about that is, oh, and I was going to say about Sheldon's book Sheldon points out that the Israelis golden my ear made a secret deal with the King of Jordan, that he would take the West Bank, and Israel would not fight him over it. They would encourage him and even to help him to take the West Bank. Why? To preclude the possibility of the creation of a Palestinian state on what was left of Palestine. They wanted it all at least someday if they can't have it all now. They can at least prevent the Palestinians from making their own state out of it. If we got to take it from the other side, the party on the other side of the Jordan River later, that's easier. So they did that deliberately on purpose to screw the Palestinians out of their own independent state from the first place. Okay. Now here's getting to the meat of the thing. Go ahead. If I may just read a little bit more about the book, that it's a collection of essays written over 30 years that critically examines the history of the Israelis' dispossession of Palestine.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Only Kooks believe there's Palestinians. This was a land without people, for a people without land. What a coincidence and what good fortune that they could come and just make an empty desert bloom at a cause to nobody and a cost of nobody's conscience here. And that was, of course, you know, people who really knew a lot about things would have known better than that, I guess. But that was essentially the mythology that the American people were told by popular culture and particularly in Hollywood movies and the way that they did the movie of Exodus and all of those things in pushing this mythology.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That kind of sounds screwy, doesn't it? The eastern Mediterranean shore was devoid of life? So that was a lie, right? And in fact, I mentioned Eric Margley's, my friend, the journalist. His mother was sort of a Lois Lane character, an independent journalist of her own who went tramping around the trampson around the region after World War II, interviewing sultans and kings and potentates and whatever. And she reported on the horrific conditions of the poor Palestinian refugees, the Muslims and Christians who had been cleansed from their land and forced into the West Bank, and they threatened to murder her and they threatened to murder my friend little baby Eric Margolis if she would dare to continue to tell the truth at that time, Lex, the Palestinian people's existence was a wild conspiracy theory by Cooks.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Years or something. And it's just about how he learned the truth about all this and how that's why he ain't a Zionist no more, man. What do you mean the darcene massacre which is like the Mili massacre, right this horror show? I never heard of that. They told me it was a land without people, for a people without land.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the aftermath, the Zionists had created an eighty twenty super duper Jewish majority, so they could call themselves a Jewish democracy and have a lot of the trappings of democracy and ingratiate themselves with the West to try to on that basis. And there's some of some truth to it, of course. But you know, and by the way, let me recommend to you and to your listeners. I really hope you read this. I'll bring you one. I should have brought you one today. I didn't think of it. I have a stack of them at my house. It's called Coming to Palestine by my colleague Sheldon Richmond. And he is the co-founder with me of the Libertarian Institute and a brilliant and longtime libertarian writer and activist. And he was, of course, raised, Jewish, and Zionist in the United States in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And this is a collection of essays that he wrote over probably 30.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When they created the state, they cleanse that territory through terror and murder and rape and pillage, and mostly through terror, they forced all those people out of their homes. And we say 750,000 people, X. We're talking about the population of Greater Austin, Texas, right? Including Flugerville and Round Rock, and maybe Buddha. We're talking about a lot of people who are forced off of their property and into what then the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and then refugee camps elsewhere in Kuwait and in Lebanon and Syria and the rest. Now when they did that all morality aside, just strictly like descriptive, not normative, right? That like in this sense it worked.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of them to Palestine and to help them to create the state there. Now, Obviously, there's only so much we can cover here, but to try, from my point of view, I think, to try to narrow in on what is crucial to understand about the thing is that in 1948. They launched what was called the Nakbah by the Palestinians, the catastrophe, and this is when they were all cleansed off of what's now what we call Israel proper, that is less the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, but they went as far as West Jerusalem. And”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The story is there was this radical Jewish nationalist movement called Zionism from Eastern Europe where they wanted to find a homeland. They thought maybe they'd go to Argentina or Madagascar and they settled on Palestine for obvious historical reasons and all of that kind of thing. And the movement only had so much juice at the time. The majority of religious and reformed Jews in the United States and in Europe, I don't know how many reformed Jews there were in Europe at that time. In the United States, it was a big movement, but they mostly were against it. The consensus was against it for a variety of reasons. Then, of course, after the Second World War, it really took off and the argument was made that the Jews of Europe need somewhere else to go after the Holocaust. And so that was what led to a push by the Western powers to transport many more.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hour long podcast fear and loathing in the New Jerusalem leads up to the creation of the state. That's where it ends. It's the whole backstory to the creation thing, and it's just brilliant, man. It is. It's so good. But in any case, so”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You, the listener, put yourself in the shoes of the people that we're talking about here. Imagine if this was you. And the first thing that he describes, it sounds like a bunch of hisraeli settlers coming to murder some Palestinians on the West Bank. But then you realize that, no, he's talking about Russians doing pogroms against Jews in Russia and the dawn of the Zionist movement in the early 20th century, late 18th century and into the 20th century. And he's talking about their victimhood and why they were so motivated to create this movement and get the hell out of there. It was the era of nationalism, but they had no place for their state of their own. So they wanted to move somewhere else and do it, whatever. He tells it from their point of view as much as he possibly can. There's just no hatred or prejudice against Jews and there at all. And it bothers me. Liars don't really bother me. They just make for a good foil. But it bothers me that good people would misunderstand and believe lies and think the worst of the guy. Because I think his five hours.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The worst, even you would have to admit that that's what he was saying. But what happened was a minute ago he had just said he thought Churchill was worse than Hitler, and it was kind of tongue in cheek, but he was saying for various reasons that Churchill was the real villain of the war. And there's just a case to be made for the role that Churchill played in escalating that whole thing. But that aside, when they heard him say the thing about the feeding and the in Eastern Europe and the care for the prisoners, they misunderstood. And they thought that what he was doing is just spinning for the Third Reich at this point or whatever when that was absolutely not the case whatsoever, dude. He's a really great guy. In fact, I'd ask anybody listen to even just the very first section of fear and loathing in the New Jerusalem, he demands that you put yourself, if you're going to listen to him, he doesn't just tell it as objectively as he can. He demands subjectivity from you and that you”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Back to now yesterday again, more. Let's go back to Iran and their nuclear program in the recent war in a minute. What you want to do is Israel-Palestine. Okay, so. It's a huge, long, complicated story. I really highly recommend Daryl Cooper's podcast, Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem. I know people say a lot of terrible things about Darryl Cooper, but none of them are true. He's my partner on my podcast, Provoked, Our New Show. And the guy's a total sweetheart, man. He's not a hater of anyone. He's not Holocaust denier. What happened was people misunderstood him when he was on the Tucker Carlson show that day. In fact, he was making the opposite point of what people think. They thought that he was saying the Holocaust was just that the Nazis didn't have a good plan to feed all their prisoners. That's not what he was saying. What he was saying was that even if you were a Holocaust denier, you could not deny the fact that the Nazis were taking possession of millions of people that they had no plan to care for, and that yes, in fact, a great many of them were starved to death and shot in this thing, and that if you were the”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that was their whole point was to escalate conflict. And also think about the lie. You talk about signaling to the Americans. How's this for a lie? Saddam Hussein and the Ayatoll Osama bin Laden and Kim Jong Il are all in a big alliance against you to kill you, right? So Saddamino's and Ayatollah both hate each other more than any two men in the world. The Ayatollah probably doesn't think too much about Osama, but Saddam Hussein's clearly terrified of him. And none of them had a damn thing to do with Iran or pardon me with North Korea except that North Korea had shipped some missiles to Iran back in the day, but they had no tight alliance at that time and they were mid-range missiles, not that big of a deal anyway. So Axis, nothing, but the point was these are all people we want to pick a fight with, basically.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The fact that headline today is Iran demands full reparations for the war before talks. In other words, just exactly what you said, give us our pride, and then we'll talk to you. Recognize enrichment, and then we'll talk to you. In other words, we're going nowhere what talks right now until Donald Trump climbs way down on the ladder.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In fact, especially if it's true that they're so fragile in their power, right, that this would make them even more desperate to show how tough they are.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And Trump claimed that he completely obliterated their program and total victory, which is not true. So where are we now? We're at the second half, you know?”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Trump too. Trump did barely even light us into it, right? His own government was saying they're not making nukes. And he goes, I don't care what they say. I want to do it anyway. Israel says they are They barely even lied us into it. They just did anyway. And then they go, Well, see, that was over, short and sweet, time for peace. And then called time out. But again, it's not over yet.”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Depends on how quick it's forced on them, right? At this point, see, it took Bush a year and a half to lie in war with Iraq. Obama just goes, yeah, we're going to war in Libya. And everyone's like, okay, whatever, right?”
2025-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source