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Sheryl Sandberg

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  1. And it actually helped so much. It did not take away the grief, but it took away a bunch of the isolation a friend from work said she had been driving by my house almost every day and had never come in.

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  2. Being a journalist Just, I don't know. My first line in my journal is I'm going to bury my husband. I don't know why I'm writing this, I don't know why, but I wrote and wrote and wrote. It just poured out of me. And so I started turning that into what I would say to everyone to stop the silence. And I wrote it as a Fakebook post that I was never going to post. And I went to bed the night before feeling good that I had. Gotten it out. Got it out, but. No way I'm posting this. It's too honest. And then I woke up the next morning, and there are so many bad moments in this, but that was one of the bad ones, really terrible. It just felt so awful And then I thought, you know what? I'm going to post this because things aren't going to get worse. They might get better. And it was very open and a kind of sharing I had never done before.

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  3. No one did it. And I think it's because I wrote Lean in that I somewhere along the way became someone who writing is part of who I am now. Thank you. And this is

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  4. Yeah, but they didn't know what to say. Right. And so, you know, I used to drop my kids off at school and everyone would say hi, and I would say hi and walk into work and everyone would chit chat. And a lot of that stopped. And so I felt not only the loss of Dave and this huge grief, but increasingly alone. And the Jewish period of mourning for a spouse is 30 days. It's called Shellashim. And it was coming to that period. I'd been journaling like every night, every other night, pouring out of me. I was grateful that I suggested.

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  5. Losing Dave was devastating. I mean, you were a friend of Dave's, and you told me and you said you were devastated too. And, you know, for me and my children, it changed everything and changed it overnight in horrible ways. And as the minutes became days, became weeks, all of which felt like months and years and decades, it wasn't just the grief, it was a real sense of isolation. I mean, you and I actually spoke a bunch then. You lost your father young and you had experienced real grief. And so it was very easy. To talk to you about this, but you had experienced what I experienced was that people who hadn't experienced something like this

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  6. And I've been speaking out about legislation. I did a post recently about really what the details of family medical leave should be. I mean, our legislative priorities are wrong. We're the only developed country in the world that doesn't have paid maternity leave. We're behind We're behind everyone who's developed Talk About, and we need paternity leave. You know, paid family medical leave. I thought about this before Dave died and then after Dave died even more. No one should face the choice this morning, and so many people do, of do I take care of a sick child or do I lose my job in the roof over my head? No one should not be able to take care of their own illness, their family's illness, take time off for bereavement leave. And our corporate policies aren't good enough, and our public policy is sorely lacking, and we need to fix it.

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  7. Do you think the correct definition of that Well, I wish I had marched or posted about the march, and that was a personal thing, and I think I would do it differently if I could do it again. I try to do everything I can. I'm very invested in growing Lean In. We have launched optionb.org as well, but we're just as invested and more so putting more time, more resources, more energy into lean in. As I've been traveling around for Facebook and for option B, I always meet with lean in circles. And it's one of the best things I do is to hear from these women who are, you know, facing real things, but also working hard.

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  8. And what do you think you should do more of? What are you lacking in doing? And then we'll get to option B. I mean, you're someone who does assess yourself. What do you think you haven't done enough of?

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  9. Well, I was sorry I didn't march and I said that, but I am a feminist. I am proud to be a feminist. I wrote it in Lean In. Would scream it from the rooftops. I'm a feminist because I believe that equality for gender on gender is critically important. And I think everyone should be a feminist.

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  10. In some ways, I mean, not enough, but some ways, so the pay gap, when Lean came out was twenty three percent. The average woman today it's 20 three cents not enough better than going the other way, but we can't celebrate that. We need to keep working until it's zero. There are the belief that progress happens person by person. You know, one person runs for the U.S. Congress. One person runs for mayor, one person steps up her hand for the project at work. And that's what's going to get us there. And I just believe that the long arc of history is on our side.

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  11. Yeah, sexual harassment needs to not happen. We need more women at the top of organizations. We need more underrepresented minorities at the top of organizations. More men are not. Time, of course. Like the terrible behavior that shouldn't exist anymore that still does needs to be gone and out and out quickly. And we need more full representation and we'll build better products and we'll be better employers and better colleagues. I remain in the face of all the challenges both a believer and an optimist because I think it will be better for families and for the world.

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  12. Really made me think about it. And I wrote a post for Mother's Day last year where I wrote, I got this wrong, and I'm sorry about that.

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  13. That's what I did. I wrote a whole chapter called Make Your Partner a Real Partner And even with all the other things I wrote in that book about different forms of family structure, that chapter must have been really hard to read. I find Father's Day brutal, just Father's Day, the fact that it exists, the fact that it's coming up again this year and I know it's going to come next year.

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  14. Well, like always, you know, some of the pushback was stuff that was hard to read. Some of it was true. You know, one of the most important things that happened, and it's in this book. Is I lost Dave Sorry, that's not one of the most important things that happens. That's the most important thing for me, but one of the most important. Things that happen after that was my really thinking about some of the things I had done and said before. And in lean-in, I wrote about different forms of family structure.

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  15. Because they have this formal group they're meeting with every month. And I really believe this, and it goes to this book too. We can't do anything alone. We need support. And women do not get enough support. We tell women over and over they shouldn't lead, and we need to tell them they should. And these circles are doing that.

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  16. You find those helpful Yeah, we put up educational materials whether they're videos or lectures or recommend articles or write out Q&As, negotiating advice. Here's how you give a great speech, that type of real concrete things people can do. And the circles self-form. And it's incredible just in the last week, I was in Boston, Indc, and I got to meet with the Boston and D.C. chapters, which are then you show up.

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  17. It's, you know, people have called it book club with a purpose. People have called it support group. People have called it friend group. It's a place for women to be explicitly ambitious. Not to hide it, not to apologize for it, but to have a group of peers and people who they can say, What I want to do, here's what I believe I can do. Here's what someone is telling me I can't do

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  18. As if that's news Well, that's not news. That's obvious. And I think we would be stronger if half our companies and countries were run by women and half our homes are run by men and we're a long way from getting there. And so writing Lean In was part of, you know, my voice in trying to say this is important, probably the best thing that's happened since then is really the lean-in circles. We hoped we'd have a thousand. We've formed by my nonprofit. Anyone can start one. All the materials are free. Think 10 people who meet. Once a month to support each other, mostly women some men, even though the one in Houston has hundreds of people because they say everything's bigger in the state of Texas. We were hoping for a thousand, and today there were 33,000 in 150 countries. We grow by almost 100 a week, and the women in them.

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  19. It's like, I have nothing left to say, but then I did have more to say, and due to your encouragement and Jennifer's and others, I wrote Lean In. And I loved writing the book. I actually turned out to love writing, and I've been writing a lot ever since. I just believe very deeply that the world would be a better place if it weren't run as it's currently run. Which is by men. And I love how when I say the world is still run by men, and sometimes I say the world is still run by white men, people gasp.

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  20. Where does Oprah get the credit for Really, the person who convinced me was Jennifer Walsh. She runs book publishing for WME. And she got me to give a speech to her people. And she followed me into the ladies' room. And she said, You have to write this as a book. And I said, I don't write books. And then she said something really important. She said, You're waiting for someone else to do this.

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  21. As much as possible. Yeah, yeah. But it's so huge. It's such a weird thing to see. Same thing with Google. So let's go back a little bit because we do have a long relationship. We met at Google a long time ago when you were running ad services and stuff there. And I didn't know you in Washington when you were a big Washington muckety muck. But it's been a very long career, and you've done a lot of different things in your career, especially Facebook. But let's talk about this book that you were writing. Let's first talk about lean-in. Can you talk a little bit about the implications of that and the results of that and how you feel about how that did?

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  22. And I just looked at him and said, Ridiculous, get yourselves into one building. He said, What do you mean? People love it. And I said, well, but you can't work together. It seems like the point of work is working together.

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  23. Well, I remember when I met Mark and he said, What do you think about our downtown distributed offices, which were all these different buildings in different parts of downtown Palo Alto?

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  24. Conference room right here, which is great. I love coming to Facebook. It's so funny because I was telling the person in front that I hadn't It's so weird to look at this because I was there before you got to Facebook in the tiny little office in Palo Alto. So it's kind of weird to see all this growth and stuff all around you. It must be odd for you too.

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