YouSaid · the spoken record

Cal Fussman

lines on the record

206

first

2024-06-04

most recent

2024-06-04

sittings or episodes

1

sources

podcast

Every line below is reproduced as it was said and linked to the record it came from. Nothing here is summarised or generated. Directory · Search · Corrections

1. “He realized that surliness and that anger is what brought him down against Muhammad Ali, right? So fast forward, he's 45 years old and he gets a heavyweight title fight against a guy twenty years younger named Michael Moore.”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

2. “That's right. And George Foreman for like 20 years could never get another title shot. He retired. And he did something and he told me what he did. And he said, this is the hardest thing when you talk about success. I ask him a question about success. And he said, the hardest thing you can do. Life is to change your character. And basically, in his early forties, he came back to boxing He was completely different. He was no longer the surly guy, he was a guy who would do ads for eating hamburgers, smiling, and laughing.”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

3. “himself out as if I continues a few more rounds, Ali nails him in one right hand and it's so hot foreman's exhausted Ali nails him with a right hand foreman goes down can't beat the count and he's crushed it must be akin to what Ronda Rousey for those who are like younger and watch mixed martial arts After her recent defeat, you think somebody is invincible and then all of a sudden draw on their back.”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

4. “This was the Ropotope, and George Foreman is just slugging away and Ollie would open his guard up just a little, say, is that all you got? Then close his guard, conform just getting more and more infuriated. Just punch after punch, first round, second round. Those of us who are watching, and I was watching on closed circuit television on a big screen in St. Louis at the time, you're almost crying because you were screaming at Ollie, get out of the way, Dan's, do something. We couldn't see what was happening. That he was just, he kept talking to Joy. We couldn't hear him talking. Oh man, that's it. That's all you got? Foreman is just throwing shot after shot after shot. And then all of a sudden, in like the fourth round, you see Foreman throw a shot and Ali just duck under it and then just throw a jab straight back in Foreman's face and Foreman's head snapped back and we realized Oh my God.”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

5. “Perfectly Foreman arrived with a German shepherd, not knowing that the Zyrians had in their history a memory of German shepherds being brought in by the Belgians to keep them under control. So the Zyrans immediately hated George Foreman and a chant grew out of it. Ali Bumay, Ali Killim. And the bell rang and George Foreman came at Ali and Ali didn't move. He just kept his back against the ropes with his hands up.”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

6. “The point where he told me people would be scared to ask him for an autograph when he would walk into a place, people would look down And he had this surliness was a big part of his demeanor. And when he went to fight Muhammad Ali in Zaire, he was an undefeated champ, people feared for Ali's life. And in fact, Ali would not watch George Foreman hit the heavy bag. It was too scary. This guy could hit that hard. And what Ali saw was George Foreman had so much anger in him that when he came out he just came out to bludgeon whoever was in front of him. And Ali had a sense that if he could make foreman expend his energy and not land those punches, have them punches come off his arms, if he could infuriate foreman to the point where Foreman lost his cool and punched himself out, he figured out a way to win. And naturally, in the heat of Africa, it was basically Ali set this thing up.”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

7. “But they separated for a while. While they were separated her mom went off with a guy named Leroy Moorhead And then went back to Mr Foreman. And so when he was born, his siblings were foreman's would call you a mohead, you a mohed. And so there was this angry part of George.”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

8. “And you're looking at somebody there who George Foreman grew up in a very tangled situation. His personality was formed one by living in poverty. He would go to school in the mornings with a brown paper bag that had no food in it. And he would blow it up to make it look like there was food in it so he wouldn't be embarrassed in front of the other kids. On top of that, his siblings, his sisters would make fun of him. He was younger. They would say You a mohead, you a mohead. And George Foreman had no idea what a mohead meant, but he knew it wasn't good. And he would hear that and he would chase his sisters around when he heard you a Mohed, you a mohead. And finally years later he grew up and he found out what they were saying. George Foreman's mom was married to mister Foreman”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

9. “Tyson was what? Six feet, maybe. George Foreman was 6'3", 220, and just had a string of vicious knockouts. And won the heavyweight title by knocking Joe Frasier down six times. One time, he literally hit him with an uppercut and uprooted Joe Fraser like he was a tree stump.”

   2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

10. “At that point. So, when I think of success, I think of everything Alex was trying to find out. That's one. The second is another box of George Foreman, who you might remember.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

11. “I need to go out and to interview these people to find out what they think success is. And so he did. And on his journey, one of the people that he went to interview was Larry King. And he actually met Larry outside of Whole Foods, went running down. He saw Larry pushing his shopping cart, went running down the street. Larry King scared the Bejes out of Larry and asked if he could interview Larry. And Larry invited him to breakfast. And when he arrived, Alex said, I'm writing a book. And Larry said to Alex, well, if you're writing a book, then you should talk to this guy. You should talk to Cal because he's written two of my books with me and he can help you. So Alex did get to sit down to talk with Larry, but I became very close with Alex.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

12. “And he gets to college and he's got a stack of biology books next to him. And he just can't do it. He's a really smart, but he's just not linked to it. And he starts to wonder, what am I doing here? He's going to school at USC. He's a great school. And he starts to wonder about this word success. And he goes to the library and he starts to look at biographies of people who he deemed to be successful to see what the definition of success was. And he's reading biography after biography. And he realizes that the book that I'm looking for doesn't exist.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

13. “And you mentioned them during the course of this interview. There are two people. One is this kid Alex Benayan, who's 23 years old. He was in school at USC, and his parents had basically raised him to be a doctor to the point where during Halloween, when he was a kid, they would dress him up in scrubs.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

14. “You know what? It is a great way of looking at life. And man, I have taken a beating so many times. And one of the great things about telling stories is when you realize that, okay, this beating I just took. Maybe I can use that to get an advance. From a magazine to do something cool. And again and again, I use my mistakes, foibles, humiliating moments to come back and try to make some sense of them and triumph over those moments. And it's, again, you don't have to be perfect. You don't have to win, but you have to look deep inside yourself. Know that I respect myself for this. And to this day, like, I really do. It gets complicated when people look at the picture. I get a big picture at home of me hitting Julio. And people look at it and it looks real. It looks authentic.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

15. “I think she was pretty scared. I think she probably was watching with her hands over her eyes, but with her fingers spread so that she could see. And I think she was really proud. And, you know, the thing about it is you realize it's not so much about winning and losing. Although my kids, it's crazy because my kids hear the story and they tell their friends in like junior high school or whatever. And their friends, did he win? They have no concept. But the thing is, I did win because I confronted myself. I had to go up those rickety steps every day. I had to get the crap beaten up out of me every day in order to learn how to duck a punch. And I did. I pushed myself as far as I could go, and now I got a great story out of it, and there's no more when I talk about the golden gloves. It's just a”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

16. “Going through everything I did, I pushed myself as far as I could go. I got hit in the liver and I came back. So now it's just a good story.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

17. “The bell rings and go back to the corner. We embrace. He was really wonderful about it. Because what was cool about what he did was he treated me now that I think about it, he treated me like the assistant to President Johnson treated me. He didn't laugh. He saw my punches coming. He saw what I could handle. And then when he saw that I had like outfoxed him for a second, he said, okay, I'll lift the game, but I'm not here to level him. And so it was a really wonderful experience. I mean, they had been teasing my wife, asking her, like, how much insurance we had and stuff like that. But at the end, he really rose to a high level in the way he handled the whole thing. Because at the end of it, I walked out of it after.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

18. “And I'm firing back. Now he's starting to like now he's starting to hit me. And so Joseph, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, the round's over. I go back to my corner. My lips are blue. The altitude and that one shot literally took everything out of me. But in my mind, I did. I'm here. I did it. And Julio, he's training for his fight. He looks over at me and says Otro You want another? And I said See, Mas and we did another one. And then in a second round he really started like he was having fun but he was starting to tag me pretty good and you could tell Jose Suleiman is watching this and a minute and a half into the round before we have a Gringo casualty on our hands. That's right. And so”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

19. “You caught me Okay, okay, okay. He goes back like he staggered and then he smiles at me and says okay now we're gonna fight now we're gonna fight he comes in on me and he throws a left hook to my liver I'm telling you it was like someone took the pipe of a hoover vacuum cleaner attached the vacuum cleaner that was on full blast sucking up and just shoved it down my throat down to my stomach and it's like my whole stomach is coming up through my mouth right and I said And the thing about it was I just started throwing punches back It was his way of just saying I'm gonna give you just like a little taste But now I'm firing back because as bad as I was hurt this was my moment I had to avenge what happened to me when I'm 16 years old”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

20. “But he's so fast that just like Harold says, I throw the left hand, I throw the left jabby catches it, throw the right hand, he catches it, I throw the left hook, he catches it like the first time I did it, he said, okay, I know what you got. And I'm just going to see how much you can take in a little while. But we'll play this out. We'll play it out. And so I keep storming in. I keep throwing these three punches. He keeps catching them. He's moving me around, but I keep throwing these three punches again and again and again. Finally, two minutes into the round. I go left jab, right hand, and then you can almost see him lifting his hand to catch my left hook. And I just throw the right hand and it just socks him in the jaw. And he looks at me and he sprawls backward as a way of saying, okay.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

21. “In the liver, and that's the fight if you're still standing. If you do that 20 times in a row and you're still there, go left hand, right hand, and then come back with another right hand. And so bell rings and now he's like circling around trying to figure out like who is this lunatic coming at me like Joe Frasier bobbing weaving”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

22. “Now, here's the thing about this Harold said to me, look, you don't understand how good he is, how quick he is. You have no chance of hitting him. Do you understand me? Like all the work you did, there's only one chance you have. And I'm going to tell it to you. You listen to me, you listen to me good. This is the strategy. I want you to throw, just like I've been teaching you, left jam, right hand, straight right hand, left hook. Okay? He's going to catch those punches. I want you to do it again. Left jam, straight right hand, left hook. He's going to Ketzes. And I want you to do it again. Left jam, right hand, left hook, and he's going to catch him again. And I want you to keep on doing that again and again and again. Do it twenty times. And then on the twenty first time, if you're still standing, because we don't know, he may just hit you.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

23. “Yeah, it's something. I don't know if they were 12 or 16, but they weren't eight like mine. That was the only difference. And Jose Suleiman, President WBC, as the guy ring the bell, and all of a sudden, I go charging straight in the style of Joe Frasier right at Julio Caesar Chavez. He looks at me and he's used to coming straight ahead. And now he's saying like, what's going on? What the hell is this?”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

24. “Yeah, because i train really hard back in New York, but all of a sudden that altitude, you're not the same. And so we're running in the morning and it comes to this day where, okay, we're going to do it. So I show up. I got my GQ robon. They invited kids from the neighborhood in to come witness this. And like the kids thought, like, oh, this is a fight. And so Julio is set up. I'm set up. We're ready to go. The one thing Julio said was, look, I can't wear eight ounce gloves like you're going to wear because I'm scared I'm going to hurt my hands. So I'm just going to wear training gloves. But other than that, and I said, no headgear. I said, this is a fight. I'm coming to fight you. So he just wanted to protect his hands. And so he had these. White gloves. I wouldn't call them pillowy, but there was cushion in there.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

25. “After I arrived, so I didn't know. I thought, well, maybe he's normally like this, but something in my mind was saying, man, if he's finding Prinelle Whitaker, he should be a little more focused than this. So I'm waiting for this appointed day. And Harold Weston, my trainer, knew the president of the World Boxing Council, Jose Suleiman, who set up a weigh-in. And GQ made me a robe. And Julio was very amused by all this. We went out running one morning and the thing about it was Julio trains in Tuluca, Mexico, high altitude. So that was my first moment where I said, uh-oh, this is my...”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

26. “And he's actually not really training that hard. We're supposed to have our fight while he's in training. And I'm saying that he's going to different towns and having parties. And so I'm starting to think this is.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

27. “And so at this point, DQ meanwhile is funding this. They're funding all the training and they're going to fund my trip to Mexico. They got to send photographers. They will send my wife. Now I got an entourage coming out of Mexico to fight Julio Cesar Chapman. And he's training to fight Pernell Whitaker. This is like the biggest fight.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

28. “Send them over. And like Julio is a very, he's a fun-loving guy. So, you know, it was maybe he saw it as a joke. I don't know. And so at this point, it's like months I've been training. Now, you look at my body, man. I got a six-pack. And now I'm getting in a ring. And I was up against an amateur who was really beating me up badly in the beginning. And then one day he threw a right hand in my head and I ducked under it and I clocked him with a right hand. And he just went sprawling backward. And now starting to think, okay, Julio, are you ready? Are you ready for this? All the people in the gym are laughing. That's all part of like a community where like, what is going to happen?”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

29. “Because even these amateur kids were knocking my head off every day, but I just kept on coming back up those steps, kept on coming back up them steps. Finally, a friend of mine, the skinny guy, writing for Sports Illustrate, had been sent to do a story about Julio Caesar Chavez. So while he's out interviewing Julio Cesar Chavez, he says to him, oh, by the way, you know, I got a friend who wants to fight you. Is it okay if he comes and fights you? Julio Sashar, like, send him over. He only wants one round, fine, fine. It'll be great. So now Julio has said yes.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

30. “And absorbing whatever punishment they were dishing out in order to lend his shots. And believe me, when Harold heard that I was doing, he said, look, Cal, I know a guy who fought Julio Cesar Chaplin. His name is Juan Laporte. Okay. Basically, after that fight, Laporte was pissing blood for a long time. Because one of Chavez's biggest shots was his left hook to the liver. And he's saying, like, you don't understand. This is a professional athlete at the top of his profession. You know, a lot of guys think, oh, if I was out on that football, I would have made that catch. They see a professional drop the ball. I would have brought that in. And lots of times they drop passes that the rest of us might have caught. But you don't understand what it's like to be up against a professional athlete until you are.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

31. “Not a clue. He doesn't know that I exist and I am training three hours every afternoon plus running in the morning plus California.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

32. “And then you have to get in the ring. And now, like I'm 35 years old and all these kids are like 19, 20. They love to get in the ring because they want to beat the crap out of me. And believe me, you know, they were because I did not know how to fight. But every day I just kept on going back. I literally train like a fighter. It must have been for like four months. And plus, on the other hand, I had to figure out a way to get Julio Caesar Choppas in the ring with me. He'd had no idea this.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

33. “That's right. And I said, no, I want you to teach me like Joe Fraser. And he said, okay, you want to be smoking, Joe? I can teach you how to be smoking Joe. And he pulls out a rope and he sets it from one the top of the ropes on one side of the ring to the other, and he makes me start bobbing and weaving under this rope. Now anybody who has never done this before, like after a minute, your thighs are burning? And basically Harold's idea is I will make him do this so long that he comes to his senses and fights the way I tell him so I can protect him. But I just, no matter how much it burned, I just got down low and I just bobbed and weeded and moved my head. And then he'd take me to the bags and now he's teaching me how to throw punches because I didn't know how to do any of this stuff.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

34. “That's right. And so he's just fighting with me. Like, there's no way I'm not being a party to this. If we do this, we do it smart and you come out alive. Like you're not going in there like...”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

35. “The first time I got in trouble because I didn't go out throwing punches, and that's how I'm coming out this time. I'm coming out to throw punches, and I want to do it just like Joe Frasier. Joe Frasier's short guy, stocky arms, just bobbing weaving, coming straight ahead. And Harold says no, no, no, I'm not going to do this because basically now I'm asking Harold to teach me a style that is going to bring all of my energy full focus, full bore, straight ahead right at one of the most damaging punchers in coming.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

36. “No more. And Leonard celebrates and everybody watching was in disbelief because for 20 years, Roberto Duran had been the epitome of the macho man. He was like Mike Tyson of the Lightweights in his era. He just bored straight ahead. Nothing could stop this guy. He was relentless. And to see him quit was what I felt about my experience in the Golden Gloves. So I basically had to somehow eradicate all that feeling of And I had to do it in a way that left me with some shred of pride at the end. So Harold says to me, okay, look, I'm going to teach you how to move. And he was like very classy fighter. And as he's showing me how to move around and avoid punches, I said, no, Harold, no, no, no. It's not the way we're going to do this.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

37. “Whether he took XLACs or something to purge his system or whether after he made the wait, he went out and ate three steaks and a bunch of orange juice. And we know that his stomach was not in the best of shape. But we also don't know when he got in the ring. His stomach was bothering him, or Leonard adopted a style that wouldn't allow Duran to hit him and basically broke Duran mentally. So we don't know if it was his stomach or his mind or both, but midway in the fight, Duran basically just throws up his hands and says no mas.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

38. “In the middle of the fight, we don't know what really happened. It's never fully been explained. In the first fight they had Duran won by a decision in Montreal, and afterward he went back to Panama as a national hero fifty thousand people waiting for him at the airport, and he just had like a three-month binge party and gained like 50 pounds. In the meantime, Leonard, after his first loss, went back home and was like training the next day for the rematch. So they set it up to have an immediate rematch six months later. And after with maybe two months left, Durand started to train. Now he had to take off 40 or 50 pounds. He was in no condition to do this, but he dramatically lost the weight and we'll never know, but he was overweight a few days before the fight.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

39. “Thinking about the fight between Roberto Duran and Sugare Leonard, I don't know if your member was the second fight. No mas. That's right, where”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

40. “First moment where hey, that's interesting. And he said, okay, I understand you're writing S for GQ. He was a fashionable guy. So that lured him in. You know, the style element. And he said, so you're really going to do this. And I said, yeah. I said, look, I'm just asking for one round with Julio Caesar Chavez. One round. That's it. But I'm going out there and I'm giving it my all. He said, well, look, let me show you ways to get through that round. Now remember, this is a slick boxer. I'm going to teach you how to move, and you will survive. We can do this. If he has taken this really seriously, you're going down. But we don't know how he's going to react. Maybe he'll be curious, and I will teach you how to move around the ring and protect yourself so that you don't. And now in my mind, I'm also now”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

41. “The whole point was get out of here. You're not fighting who Leo Saeso Chavez. You have no idea what it's like to be a boxer, a little respect for the craft here. And after three hours, literally I was reduced to tears again and again and again. And I just kept going. And I remember getting home to my apartment. And like I rang the doorbell, the door opened. I literally collapsed into my wife's arms. And she dragged me to the tub and where it had hot water going. She threw in some epsom salts and I just like laid in there for like three hours unable to move. And when I left the gym, everybody in the gym was placing bets, whether I was going to come back the next day. And I did.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

42. “Looking for the hidden cameras. You got it. That's exactly it. And then he's going, this guy says he's going to fight Julio says, which chops everybody in the gym is laughing. Are you a professional? No. Are you an amateur well? I have one fight in the Golden Gloves 20 years ago. It didn't turn out. And now Harold's saying like, okay, okay. You're really going to do this, huh? I'll tell you what. You come back tomorrow, three o'clock, and we'll do a little workout. And we'll see. So I come back the next day, and this guy he just”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

43. “Yeah. And he had actually done pretty well. He was a very slick boxer. He wasn't that tall, and Tommy Hearns was like 6'2", 6'3", tremendous reach and an unbelievable power in his hands. And I think that fight went awhile. I know Tommy scored a TKO, but Harold had done pretty well, avoiding the punishment. And so I went over to him and I said, hey, I'm going to be fighting Julio Cesar Chavez. You think you can train me? And now he's just like, what is this?”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

44. “They made me that was the first thing you're going to have to sign documents saying we're not responsible for this. This is all on you. I said, that's fine. And I go down to the Times Square gym on 42nd Street at the time and up these rickety old wooden steps. It was like something out of the past. Like you could literally hear each foot that you put down. And then there's like the drum beat of the bags and you walk up there. And since I had followed boxing, I knew who people were. And I just start looking around at the trainers. And there was a guy I recognized. His name was Harold Weston. And he had fought Tommy Hearn's welterweight champion.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

45. “Actually, when we moved to New York, I had written, or I was writing for a magazine called GQ, and the editor at the time, or my editor at GQ, was a guy named David Granger who later became the editor of Esquire. And when he did, he brought me and a bunch of writers with him. So this all started at GQ, and the day after my wife is laughing at me, I march into David Granger's office and I say, hey, you want to buy a story? I'm going to go fight Julio Caesar. He says, what? I give him the background and he said, all right, let me go in and check with my boss”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

46. “I got a beer belly. So I got a beer in one hand, chips in the other, belly between them. And I'm screaming at the TV. Come on, finish him off. What are you doing? Finish him off, Julio. And my wife looks at me and says, hey, like, calm down. We've heard your boxing stories because that was the first thing when my family met her that they indoctrinated her. You know about Cal and the Golden Gloves, don't you? So I look at her, I look at the TV, and it's clear what needs to be done here, because I've got to get my manhood back. And I said to my wife, you know what? You see that guy on the TV, Bill Cesar Chavez? I'm going to fight him. And so naturally, my wife, like, you're crazy. Forget it. You know, we've heard this. But now I know I have to do this to close this chapter in my life. No matter what.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

47. “So now you can imagine what I'm hearing like anytime there's a family reunion, anytime this comes up, we need a funny story. It's like, oh, remember Call in the Golden Gloves. And so I'm hearing this again and again and again over the years. And finally, must have been, well, like almost 20 years later, right after I meet the woman in Brazil, she moves to New York. We get married, and I'm watching the TV, and Julio Cesar Chavez, the great Mexican champion, junior well to eight hundred forty pounds. He was eighty five, eighty six and O at that point. And I'm watching him on TV as he's cornering an opponent. I got a big bag of chips between my legs. And at this point, or right after the marriage, he put on a bunch of weights.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

48. “That's right. No idea. The worst part of all this is my dad is in the crowd and he brought like two of his childhood friends.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

49. “And now I can kind of see clearly. And hey Seuss is coming at me and his right hand comes back and it's like right in front of me, right in front of me and the bell rings. And so I go back to the corner and now I'm pissed. Like what just happened to me? Like get in there. Throw your punches. Just go at him. And I'm sitting on the stool. The manager is saying something I don't even hear what he's saying because all I'm hearing is myself just screaming at myself. Throw punches. Remember who you are. In the meantime, the refere is coming over and he's saying like, son, are you okay? Are you okay? I'm saying, of course I'm okay. I'm going to kick his ass. I'm going to come out. You're going to see some punches. Next thing you know, like the referee is waving his hands and stopping the fight. I didn't respond to him. Was like I was out.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

50. “In one year, I got, okay, move around, jab. I've forgotten who I am. And we get to the ring, go to the center, get the instructions, and I am like completely lost. I do not know what happened. All I remember was getting up. Actually, my eyes opening and seeing like three fingers that were very blurry. And then like I'm hearing four, five, six, and I get up.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT