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  1. “But there was none of that. And every day you had to get on and I had to get on the train or the bus unless people were passing me around. After a while, it became easier and easier because it was, well, you know, I got a cousin here. And then I get off the train and the cousin would be waiting for me. And a party would be waiting for me at his house when I got there. So really it was like a 10-year party.”

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  2. “I might still be going. I'll tell you that it was the end of the trip that changed my style of interviewing again. But if I could have been couch surfing, I can't even imagine the potential I would have had because from what I'm told, like you get rated, isn't it? It's sort of like Uber. You rate the driver. That's right. So you rate the place you stay and they rate the guest. So basically I'm coming in with all these stories to regale you from these different parts of the world. I'd get A ratings across I'd get five stars across the board. And then everybody would.”

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  3. “It's that. And also, I remember that the skinny guy were in Yugoslavia. And this was right before the Olympics in Sarajevo. And it was cold. And I remember we looked at each other and just, you know, it's like too cold here. We didn't have winter clothing. And I said to him, you know, there are camel races in Dews Tunisia. And like a day later, we were in Tunisia. We just got on a flight and flew to Tunisia and headed to do. We missed the races, but the next thing you knew, like we've got pictures of us in the middle of the Sahara Desert. And so there was just the possibility of, and look, it's even more like that now where you got the internet to help you connect with somebody. You can get on a plane and be in a different world.”

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  4. “America. Maybe you'll like me. Maybe he'll take me home with him. Maybe I can visit. And so all of these conversations are just filled with possibilities and potentials.”

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  5. “That's it 100%. And when you talk about seeing people differently, when you're waking up in the morning and you don't know what's going to happen and then you meet somebody, the person becomes like the most fascinating person on the world in that moment. And they feel that because you don't know their life. So you're starting to ask some questions. They're getting this attention. It's like you're, I don't want to say you're making them into a rock star, but they're getting the same kind of attention, the questions that are coming, why'd you do that? What kind of friends do you have? What's this culture like here? And all of a sudden, they're feeling like they're in the spotlight and it feels good. And for women, it feels great. Because also now, and I'm sure, if you're feeling boxed in and you meet somebody from afar, oh, I wonder what it's like.”

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  6. “Okay, so here's there you go. I'm traveling around, right, and I meet a six foot two Dutch girl and want to share a room as we're traveling? Okay, fantastic. It was so easy because we were in a different place. And once you're traveling, you're a much different person than you are when you're at home. People see you differently and they treat you differently.”

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  7. “It's like I can remember in college going into a bar in Colorado and all the guys were like six foot. I don't know what it was that night, but everybody was like six foot four or taller, you know. And like the girls were over six, but I'm just kind of walking around. I'm like much smaller. And I just realized there was, I don't fit in here. It's just a different, I'm not handsome here.”

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  8. “I was completely safe for these people. Not only that, but I was a safe haven for a lot of women. Because if they were in a small town and they are meeting somebody from their small town, everybody's going to know about it. But if you meet this traveler, your eyes are going to be open to this new world. Plus, you can go over to the next town and have a meal and start talking and get to know each other. And you are kind of free of all the constrictions of where you live. And so in a way, I became handsome.”

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  9. “The gossip. Everybody knows the feelings, and you have to keep some things to yourself. But if this guy comes into your house and he's from seven thousand miles away, you can open up in ways and tell him things you would never tell people close by, knowing he's going to leave and keep in mind this was a day. There were no cell phones. There was no social media. There was no Facebook. There was no going on the internet and finding out what this person just told me. It was like a secret.”

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  10. “That is the wrong question, but we'll get to that because I wasn't there yet. I didn't even know what I was doing other than, okay, you've got to figure out a way to make people trust you through your questions. And I no longer had to fill out a story. I didn't need a who what when, where and why. It was just pure curiosity. And then it zoned into this basic fact. People want to talk about their lives. And often, especially if you go to a small town somewhere, people, they may not be able to talk so much about their lives because everybody talks about everybody in these little towns and everybody knows.”

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  11. “You know what? That's a good question for a little later because that's what I discovered later on at the time, and I'll bring it directly toward hiring people where questions are being asked of job candidates. Like, what's your biggest weakness? Which they've already prepared like 200. Spontaneous good response to that”

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  12. “Apricot brandy because nobody makes apricot brandy like my father. It lives half an hour away from me. You gotta come to taste the apricot brandy. That weekend, we're tasting apricot brandy, having a great time, another party starts. Another neighbor comes over to me. Have you ever been to Kishkin Hollis, the paprica capital of the world? You cannot leave Hungary without visiting Kishkin Hollis. Now we're off to Kishkin Halls. I'm telling you a single question about Gulash could get me six weeks of lodging and meals. And that's how I got passed around the world.”

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  13. “It's like to eat goulash and hungry. All the people on the train come along. Now I'm staying with grandma. Not only does she invite the people on the train, all her neighbors, all her friends, her relatives, now I'm at the table, a room full of people. They're all surrounding me. The goulashes in front of me, and I slowly lifted to my lips. I taste it, my eyes shut, and I smile. And there's just a roar from this place. He loves grandma's goulash. The party goes on for like four days. And during the party, one of the neighbors says, well, you know, have you ever tasted?”

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  14. “In this grandma's chest just bursts with pride and now she's talking about her grandmother making goulash, her mom making goulash all the ingredients that go into goulash how they got to be put together just the right way. And then she looks at all these young Hungarians and said, you know, I've been riding on this train for decades. Not one of you was asked how I make my goulash this American He asks You tell him he has to come to my house because I am going to prepare him gulash so he knows”

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  15. “Walk by the supermod And I'm looking, looking down the car and okay, that grandmother with no teeth. Eating the crackers out of her purse. There's the winner. Walk up, sit down next to the grandma. Let's say we're in Hungary. And this happened in many cultures. But for the sake of this story, and this happened in Hungary, I sit down next to her, and I'll ask her about goulash. Now, of course, she can't speak English. My Hungarian at that point is hi, how are you? I need to go to the bathroom, and some of the younger people on the train are watching me and grandma try and talk to each other. And naturally, they come over and they start to translate. He wants to know what makes a great gulash.”

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  16. “Years I was traveling around the world. If the empty seat was next to you, I would have walked right on by you, just because you were good looking. And she had a very amazing reaction. She grabbed me by the hand and squeezed my hand. And she said, well, don't worry, Cal. Tonight, I sat next to you, which is very cool, but it made me realize, and this is really, if you're a good guy who's a little scared to approach that woman, you should remember that story because they want to be treated normally. And I was talking to another actress about this, and she really started writing me. She said, okay, so you don't take that seat, and now some asshole takes it, and I got to put up that asshole for the next hour and a half. Thank you very much.”

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  17. “I'm sitting there waiting for her, and then she sits down and we start talking. We have this amazing conversation. People may not know, but she was in Thailand when that tsunami hit in like a bungalow with her best friend who basically lost his life and she was swept away by the tsunami and narrowly survived. It's an amazing story. It took an hour and a half just to tell the tsunami story. telling me these great stories and we're really hitting it off. And the interview is supposed to go for an hour and a half. Like we're at four hours. And it's not an interview anymore. I feel like completely connected to her the way I would have been had I met her on a bus or a train. And I said to her, I said, Petra, I really, I'm going to tell you something. I apologize. And she said, what for? And I said, because all those years ten years.”

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  18. “Too later, regret that. All right. So this year is later, and I get set up working at Esquire where I do this what I've learned column. And I get set up do an interview with Petronemkova, the supermodel. And I'm waiting for, supposed to arrive at like eight o'clock or something. And she's late.”

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  19. “Well, An athletic event where you are going out and you had to get a roof over your head at night. And I'll tell you how seriously I took this. And I'm going to tell you a story after this, which shows you. What I learned, I'm walking down that aisle and I see an empty seat next to a beautiful woman, right? I look at her hands, no rings. She's looking at me. She's smiling at me. She could be a supermodel. I swear I walked right on by Because there was no way she was taking me home.”

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  20. “So what happened was I had hardly any money. And I would go to a bus station or train station. And I would just walk up, say, where's the next train leave atom? Where's it headed? And they would say a name. I'd say, okay, I want a ticket. So I would buy the ticket. Destination had no meaning to me whatsoever. What had meaning to me was. I'd never been there before, and I'm going to take this trip down the aisle. The trip down the aisle was where all the stakes were because as I'm going down that aisle, I've got to look for an empty seat next to somebody who seems interesting. Somebody I can trust, somebody who might be able to trust me. And the stakes are high because I know that at the end of that ride wherever it was going, that person had to invite me to their home. Because I had no money to spend night after night in a hotel”

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  21. “Well, I looked at em both and then I just realized, look, if something were to happen like going down, I'm going to regret it. And I knew in that moment, you know what? There's going to be a lot of those moments where I'm heading over the, that was a moment I knew I'm going over the mountain. Not tonight. I'm going to make sure my portly friend is taken care of. He eats his fetticini. In a few days he's getting on a plane. He's going to go back home. But after that, I'm going over the mountain. And that's what set off the trip. And it became completely addictive because I woke up every morning. Not knowing what was going to happen. And then you asked before, okay, well, where does the interviewing shift?”

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  22. “What would you do? And you love both of these guys. And you know that one guy really wants to go over the mountain, the other guy really wants to better tell you.”

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  23. “And so we start to get up to the top of the mountain. And now it's like getting darker and darker and darker. And maybe it's eight o'clock. I don't know what time it is, but we've reached the peak. And now we almost can't even see where we're walking. But the skinny guy knows that. If we get down this mountain, we're going to have an experience like no other. And that's what he was wired to do. And the poor lay guy is saying, hey, Betticini is being served. Down in the restaurant. And they both look at me. Say, okay, what are we doing? And what do you think I did? Oh, this is a tough time.”

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  24. “Castle. So we got to take a hike up to this mountain. And portly guys coming along and we're having a great time, we're talking and it's breathtaking scenery. And we get to this castle and we meet some people and they say, oh, if you would just keep going over this mountain, you will have an unforgettable experience. There is a farmer there that is living, you literally will go back to the eighteenth century. That's how this farmer's living. Just keep on going over the mountain and just walking down this trail. Not many people go over the mountain, but if you do, you will find this farm. He will put you up for the night.”

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  25. “Now, the Portly guys only got like 10 days. He's on vacation from his job. The skinny guy who'd been working at Inside Sports with me, he's got some time now. And I'm just kind of walking around with my eyes open wondering where this is all going to take me. So we go to this mountainous town, we end up in a mountainous town in Italy. It had two names because these countries would get involved in wars and then sometimes they would be wherever the winner was, they were named. So I remember the German sounding name was Dorf Tyrol. And it had a huge mountain. And we found out that on this mountain, Ezra Pound, the poet, had lived in this castle. So the skinny guys like all exrap.”

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  26. “Holding court, but even more than that, it was you knew if you were in St. Louis, you knew if you went to Lewellen's bar at 830, you were going to see him. And accordingly, where he was going to have dinner is only one of a few places. If he wasn't at one, you can go to another. You know the bookstore, you walked into the place across the street where we got chocolates. So he lived on sort of a ritual. So now the three of us are let loose in Europe.”

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  27. “And I am completely, these are my best friends, okay? The skinny guy, the portly guy. And the skinny guy was just coming off a divorce and had basically felt like his whole life had been constricted in this box around Wilmington, Delaware. And Wanted to go out and just see the world see what ever was out there and of course my eyes are open to this because I didn't know what I was going to do or where I was going to go but I wanted to see the world too. Montpazier, let's go pick the grapes. And then the Portly friend was a guy who was kind of like the mayor of his job and the mayor of his city in terms of if you go to the bar in St. Louis, he's a fixture. Everybody loves him, knows him, and it's the bar, the restaurant, everything is very kind of fixed.”

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  28. “Let's see there were very interesting I had I mentioned one his name was Gary Smith but for these purposes I'm just going to say there was a A friend who was very skinny.”

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  29. “I just got to ask you one more question. Please, no, no. What was your mom's face look like when she got the view that she wanted to have?”

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  30. “They still sell it Stay for a few days, please. And you know what? People should because one of the Playboy Centerfold photographers told me that that was one of the best places that he'd ever been to in terms of like meeting women. He said it was like outrageous. You'd go there on a Saturday night and everybody knew everybody, but by four in the morning, like people were naked doing cartwheels on top of the bar. Like, who would have thought of it from Iceland?”

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  31. “I didn't know what to do. And I had met when I was in St. Louis a woman from France. She came from Montpazier and she says, oh, like you have to come visit Montpazier and pick the grapes. So in my mind I always thought I've got to get to Montpazier. And so we bought a ticket. I bought a cheap ticket through Iceland Air. They would land you in Iceland and then fly you into Luxembourg. And the idea, I guess, was to get you to somehow stay in Iceland.”

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  32. “Loathing in Las Vegas. Yeah, it was a little like that. It was all, I guess, day to day event. And I was like meeting the athletes that I grew up watching on TV and talking to these sports writers. And it was one of those times that comes around once in a life. And then when it's gone, you can never really have it again. Part of it is you're naive making it so grand. And then it was over. The magazine was dead. And oh man, like at the time, I thought, I got another like 50, 60 years of live. What am I going to do?”

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  33. “And like this guy must have knocked the barbell. And his point was, look, this is how we do it at Sports Illustrated. Like if you don't run up a bar bill like this, you know, nobody's going to think you're big time.”

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  34. “Back then was before I knew anything about wine. Back then it was Guinness or Black and Tan or maybe Gen and Tonic. Those were the three things. You know one time I remember this is really crazy. You want to know why inside sports went out of business. They had one of the photographers who had worked with sports illustrator in the past. And so I was sent out on a story with this guy and this guy was saying, oh, I got to show you how to use an expense account. I can see you're a very young novice here. And like before we do any work, he was straight to the bar and I'm saying like, are you sure? Like maybe we should go on interview with him. No, no, no. And he starts to say, you know, I think we need to have some green chartreuse. Oh, Lord.”

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  35. “And pulled out a carrot and put it in his mouth the way Hunter Thompson had like he was smoking like those long cigarettes and he became Hunter S. Thompson. It was wild and he said, yeah, it comes out in me every now and then. The thing about Hunter S. Thompson, you think about him almost as a caricature. But like at the bar, he was like a regular guy just telling stories. I remember him telling stories of like being a bowling writer in San Juan, Puerto Rico. And be laughing about things like that. So it was very human. The conversation wasn't with the caricature of Hunter Thompson. It was with the guy.”

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  36. “It was fantastic. He was a very funny guy and it was all anecdotes. There were a bunch of people in the bar. Everybody was telling stories. It's completely natural. What's kind of interesting About my memory of it is later on I interviewed Johnny Depp, who played Hunter Thompson, and he just reached into this vegetable plate that was in front of a hotel.”

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  37. “To get their last checks, and right after that. When I decide to start traveling, and that's where interviewing changed for me forever.”

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  38. “And now that just doesn't happen because of all the proliferation of media and everybody's asking for that time. So it's pretty much shut down. So basically, you got to hang with people. And the questions basically filled out the story. But for me, it was very different than the next stage because that first stage was very who, what, when, where, and why and what might have been underneath, what was your childhood like. And it filled out a sports story. The next step that started when I was about twenty three or twenty four was completely different.”

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  39. “Nothing really changed there. Basically, the idea was to get the information you needed for a story to fill out a story. And so Back in that day, I know it's hard for sports writers to believe it because they ask me to speak at colleges in front of journalism schools. And in the seventies, women sports no coverage at all. They would beg you to go into their games, go into their lock rooms, whatever you wanted. I was talking to university in Nebraska journalism school. They can't even interview women's volleyball players in a very relaxed fashion. They have to go through the sports information office and they won't be able to ask personal questions. So it's a completely different time. When I would go out to do a story, I might spend like a week, two weeks with somebody.”

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  40. “One of the editors there got the job at the Washington Post Sunday magazine. But when I was traveling around the world, I basically, I didn't really write.”

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  41. “He had actually reached out to me, and again, this went back to University of Missouri journalism, that's where he had gone to school. So I found all through my travels, this school and its network, I was always linked to them in some way. And you knew who was really good from that school. Everybody knew it. And so I found out that somebody was doing really good work and they were an editor and I knew they went to the University of Missouri. It's an easy phone call for me to make. And it's interesting because I didn't make those calls often because there was like a nexus. People were bumped into people and you were converted to the right place. And so when inside sports folded ultimately.”

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  42. “You go. And so here I am in New York. And basically I've now achieved everything I set out to achieve when I was a kid And I'm looking around saying, What am I going to do now? Where am I going to go I had no idea inside sports was not a job. It was an experience, it was an event every evening. Who was coming tonight? And I didn't know what to do, so I called up my mom and dad and I said, you know, I think I'm going to take some time off and travel. My mom's always really supportive said, oh, Cal, that's wonderful. And little did she know when I said it that I wasn't coming back for ten years, but I didn't know it either. I just bought a ticket to go over to Europe, left with a few guys, and that started a 10-year Odyssey of Cal going around the world.”

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  43. “And then, like a lot of artistic successes, it was not a commercial success. And like a lot of startups, it went belly up.”

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  44. “But it was great because you're sitting next to Frank DeFord, who was like the big sports writer of his day, a guy named Gary Smith came to work there. He was a national magazine award winner for many, many years. And it was just a blast. It was the best time.”

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  45. “And this magazine attracted guys like David Halberstam, who was a Pulitzer Prize-winning writer. The best of the best. And basically I got to sit next to all of them. I was only a kid. I was 22. And every night everybody would go across the street to a bar called a cowboy, toning the bartender was behind the bar. And at the time, I had no money. So they would put out these little hors d'oeuvres for people. That was where my dinner would be if the guys would expense accounts weren't going out late. The mixed nuts and olives.”

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  46. “So it was this magazine attracted all these writers. And the guy who started was a guy named Johnny Walsh who went on to start Sports Center for ESPN. So he just had one of the most amazing things I'd ever seen at the time. I didn't really even know what a Rolodex was. And I walked into inside sports for the first time. It was a Friday afternoon. And I called him up. And I said, hey, if I come into New York to work, I'm not asking for a job. Just make sure I don't starve. And he said, come on in. So I showed the office at like four o'clock and there was two guys with a dolly stacked with beer. Like case after case of beer. And I got in the elevator right behind the dolly. They hit the same floor number that I needed to go to. And they just rolled it out into the offices of Inside Sports. And I said, this is where I need to be.”

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  47. “I was twenty two. And basically this magazine was really unique. It was set up in the day that sports illustrated was as big as it gets, and it was set up to compete with Sports Illustrated. And it brought in all these great writers. And so I'd be going to the bar at night and sitting next to Hunter Thompson, the Gonzo journalist, we'd be throwing back shots. The next morning I'd be getting up and going on a plane to Pittsburgh.”

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  48. “And I went into sports. So basically, after I graduated, four months after I graduated, I was sitting ringside when Muhammad Ali won the heavyweight championship for the third time. A year after that, if you lived in St. Louis and you opened a post dispatch sports section, you saw my face over a column. Then a year after that, I went to the big time, New York. An amazing magazine called Inside Sports got started up.”

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  49. “Sure. So when I grew up, I grew up thinking interview was Meet the Press, and Grew up thinking it was what happened in a locker room after a sporting event. So I knew in order to achieve my dreams, I need to go to journalism school. I asked round and found out University of Missouri had one of the best, so that's where I went. And I learned to ask who wot when, where and why? And went through the whole journalism cycle. This was also an interesting time. It was a time of Watergate. So journalists were seen at the highest point that maybe they've ever been. It was really cool to be a journalist. Journalists actually brought down the president when they caught him lying. So it was a great time to.”

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  50. “No, I knew what I wanted to do. Only later after I'd done it so quickly. Did I realize what am I going to do now, which we can get to?”

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