YouSaid · the spoken record

Cal Fussman

lines on the record
206
first
2024-06-04
most recent
2024-06-04
sittings or episodes
1
sources
podcast

Every line below is reproduced as it was said and linked to the record it came from. Nothing here is summarised or generated. Directory · Search · Corrections

  1. “And so he says, okay, kid, listen, you know, we're going to go in the ring. I want you to just take it nice and easy. You move around a little, show him the jab, and let's see what happens. So you start to walk in the rainer. And this is like mid-70s. In fact, it's not right around a few years before the Rocky movie came out, you know, the Great White Hope. Well, I'm like the only white fighter on this card. And 90% of the audience is all white. Okay. So when I come in the ring, it's like the great white hope has finally arrived. Like people are standing, cheering, going nuts, and like looking around. And it's like it's surreal. I've lost sense of where I'm at.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  2. “Work that's right, it's complete. And so now I'm starting to like realize. Uh oh this could be like a predicament. And I get somebody who's never, I've never met before to work my corner. And this guy has no idea of my style. No idea. He thinks like, okay, I know how to fight.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  3. “I wrap my hands, get my gloves on, and out of nowhere comes my opponent in the dressing room. And in the most casual way possible, he just puts out his left hand and says, like, hey Seuss, that was his name. But you can tell, not only like was there a scar down one side of his face to his lip, but you could just tell he had done this like 400 times before he was eight years old.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  4. “I don't have a manager, I don't have a lift to get into this place and there's no cell phones. You know, you're standing by a payphone throwing in quarters. Like, who can help me? I got to get to the fights. I got to fight. You know, of course, everybody in the school knows about this. And so it's at a high school in Queens with a very large gym arena. It's like a Catholic school. And I managed to get somebody to drive me down there and arrived just in nick of time. But now like I'm all nervous just to get there. And I'm able to check in”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  5. “That's right. You got it. And so the month passes or so, and it's time for my fight in the golden gloves. And there was somebody at this club that was going to represent me. And I show up the club he was going to drive me into Queens, New York. I was living at Long Island at the time. And I was all And so I show up for my manager to pick me up. He's not there.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  6. “That's right. And you'll see what happens. Because like Joe Frasier knew how to fight. All I could do was just throw reckless, wild, crazy punches one after another. I was in good shape. So I could throw punches three minutes around just. Start to finish, and it was actually for the people in gym, it was kind of comical to watch because, you know, everybody knew that when I finally got in the ring, one of two things was going to happen. Maybe I'd be able to just simply overwhelm whoever was in the ring just by sheer virtue of I'm coming at you to throw everything I got and I'm not stopping.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  7. “But listen. That's right. And basically, I wasn't on the tall side. So as a short guy and a very short arms. And, you know, my style was basically, you know, hey, man, I'm just going to rush across the ring and I'm just going to start throwing punches.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  8. “Yeah, sponsored by the Daily News, the final sold out Madison Square Garden every year. I had no idea how to fight. And I've wanted to do it. So basically like a month before the Golden Glove started, I showed up at a gym that was a few towns over in a bad neighborhood and said, like, I want to train for the Golden Gloves. You had to be 16. I just turned 16. I entered. And this manager pulled me aside and said, no, no, no, no. That's not the way it works. Like, you don't know how to fight. You don't know anything about fighting. What you do is you come here every night and we'll teach you. And within a year, we can put you in with people who have your experience and you'll learn. And then a year from now, you'll have some experience and you can go into the golden gloves. You know, if you're good, you'll do okay. No, no, no, no, no. You don't understand. I came to fight.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  9. “That's another story. And it goes back to a time when I was a teenager. And again, as I started out, you knew that my childhood hero was Muhammad Ali. So I followed boxing. And naturally, I wanted to fight. Where I live, there were no boxing gyms around. What we had in New York was a tournament called the Golden Gloves.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  10. “Once you get the heart, you can go to the head. Once you get the heart in the head, then you'll have a pathway to the soul. And so basically the speech was lessons tied to stories that back them up. And whether it was with Gorbachev or Donald Trump or Robert De Niro or Muhammad Ali, each story allowed the listener to understand something very basic.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  11. “Was a success in that, you know, I had a little story like that. And people could understand something about Gorbachev that they might never have known. But for me, when I look back on it, what I realized was the power of the first question going straight to the heart and not the head. Because it was that question that went into his heart that took us to that very deep place and enabled the interview to continue to go. And because the interview could go, I was able to fill out the page for Esquire. Otherwise, that would have been it. There would have been no way the interview would have run. So lesson number one, when people ask me what tips would I give, is aim for the heart, not the head.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  12. “Piling up Mexico. Please, I've got the mayor of New Orleans right outside. There's a long line of people. We're way behind schedule. And Gorbachev just smiles. And he didn't say anything, but the look on his face was Hey, what can I do, Cal? So I said, Thank you. I knew I pushed it to as long as it could be pushed. And I laughed. And the interview”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  13. “They're like, oh man, this is deep. He didn't expect it any more than I did. Just at that moment, knock on the door. It's the publicist. Publicist comes in very officious. Skorbachev, Cal, time for the interview is up, and he looks at it and he wags his finger. He says, No, I want to talk to him, publish us, puts up our hands. Yes, sir, and she backs out sheepishly. The door shuts, conversation continues. Now we're getting deeper. Ten minutes later on the door. This time the publicist comes in a little slower, mister Gorbachev, Cal Gorbachev says. No, I want to talk to him. She backs out. Ten minutes later, knock on the door. This time she's in a panic.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  14. “He gets ice cream for everybody. And Gorbachev starts describing this ice cream and the cup that it was in its aluminum cup. And as he's telling me, it's almost like he's got his hand out in front of him and the cup's in it. It's that vivid to him. And it's as if in this moment we both have this same realization. That cup of ice cream is the reason that he was able to make peace with Ronald Reagan and end the Cold War. Because that cup of ice cream, just the memory of it, is the memory of what it felt like for his dad to go off to war, for him to see his dad going off to war, that cup of ice cream in the memory was the dread that he knew of the possibility of never seeing his father again. And we are looking at each other.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  15. “He's seeing on the ceiling this movie of his past, and he starts to tell me the story. And it's this story about the day his dad was called to go fight in World War II. Sigorbachel lived on a farm, and it was a long distance between this farm and the town where Gorbachev's dad had to join the other men to go off to war. And so the whole family took this trip with the dad to this town to wish him well as he went off. And Gorbachev is talking about this trip and he's providing these intricate details and I'm transfixed and I'm saying like, oh my God, that's the worst possible question. This interview is going to be over. He's not even going to get to town yet. So finally. Do get to town, and Gorbachev's dad. Takes a family into this little shop.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  16. “Yeah, it wasn't two minutes, but it wasn't much more. And so the publicist leads me into the room. And at this point, I'm thinking, okay, if it's two and a half minutes, like do your best. And I look up and like there he is. Gorby. And he's a little older than I remember. He's about 77 at the time. He was in town to speak about nuclear weapons and why they should be abolished. And we sit down and I'm looking at him and I just know he's expecting my first question to be about nuclear arms, world politics, perestroika, Ronald Reagan. He's just ready. So I looked at him and I said The best lesson your father ever taught you? And he is surprised, pleasantly surprised. He looks up and he doesn't answer. He's like thinking about this. It's as if after a little while he”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  17. “Yeah, we're moving down. Plus, you're going to sit down and you're going to exchange pleasantries. It's not going to start in a finger snap.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  18. “Yeah, move into his soul in a way that makes him feel comfortable and extract that wisdom, at the very least forty five minutes. So I say to her, oh, okay, okay, how much time do I got? Ten minutes. 10 minutes. I don't say are you nuts, but it's impossible. I can't do this interview in 10 minutes. Cal cal look, I understand, but a lot of very important people have been added to the list, see, mister Gorbachev. There's nothing we can do about this. Do you want the ten minutes or not? What am I going to do? Say no? Okay, I'll take the ten minutes. So I'm sitting down and I'm thinking, and the more I'm thinking about this, the worse it's getting. Because number one, I'm knowing that. of my questions are going to be translated into Russian, and all of his answers are going to be translated back into English.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  19. “And now I'm thinking, oh man, oh, was it going to be down to an hour? Because that's the thing with this, what I've learned column, I can't fluff it up. I can't fill it out. I can't use my words. They have to be McKell's Gorbachev's words, and they have to be wise words. I need, at the very least, an hour to.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  20. “Interesting. Different people respond differently to the different stories. If I was deconstructing the speech, one of the things that I wanted to do was to explain how much you can do with a single question in a short amount of time. And to back that up, I told a story about my meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev. I'll take you back to say 2008, I think it was February, we're in New Orleans in a hotel lobby. I'm all said to interview Mikel Gorbachev for Esquire's What I've Learn Column. We got an hour and a half and fully prepared, ready to go, couldn't have been happier. And I get a call. I pick out the phone. Cal, it's the publicist. Sorry to have to pass this on, but the interview with Mr. Gorbachev is going to have to be cut short.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  21. “Have what you had when you started the company. That essence, because if they don't have it, essence of the company is no longer what you wanted. And guys like that and women are coming up and saying, you know, next time you're in San Francisco, can we get together? Because I can tell there's obviously an issue with hiring. And it's funny because now I'm starting to ask everybody about it. And I'm really becoming very conscious that This is an issue that's really important to a lot of people”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  22. “And so you will find out through that answer something that's going to help you make a decision. And girls are looking, you could tell they're looking at, okay, that's our question. We'll tell them to talk to Trey's story. And then people started coming up to me running successful businesses who had to hire a lot of people all at once because the business is doing really well. And you could tell they were nervous because all of a sudden a business that starts with an idea and only them is now taken on a thousand people in a year. How are you sure that those thousands”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  23. “Their answer. And look, they may tell you, you know what? I get eight hours sleep every night because I come to work every morning fully charged and you're going to know hey, maybe that's the right person for a certain job in your company. It's not going to be the most completely passionate person, but maybe they're the person that's got to do something nuts and bolts.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  24. “About our business. We can't seem to find people to work for us that are just as passionate as we are. What can we do? What can we ask? I said that's easy. Just tell him the Dr. Dre's story. Dr. Dre story, yeah. I said I was interviewing Dr. Dre and I said to him, What's the longest you've gone? Working on a passion project without sleep. And he says, oh man, when I'm working on something I really care about, I'm in the zone. I don't think about sleep. It's just I go until it's done. Could be seventy two hours. So I said just tell the person you're interviewing doctor Dre, he goes seventy two hours. What's the longest you've ever gone? On a passion project without sleep. You'll be able to tell something about that person.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  25. “Okay. And so I'm watching all these people flood in. And now the aisle is completely cluttered. I can't get wine to people. Now I'm starting to freak out because I don't want people toasting with an empty glass. And the back of the room is like, it's getting jam-packed. And so I just said, well, just go out and give your speech. So speech lasts for about an hour. And I guess it's a really good response. But what was surprising about it was afterwards, like this was a long, line of people to see me. And their business people. And the first couple came up, two women. They say, okay, you taught us about asking questions. We got a problem. We are really passionate.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  26. “No, that's good. We'll have to work on that next time. I think what happened is we titled it. Decoding the art of the interview with Mikelgorbachev Robert and Donald Trump. And naturally it said, like Cal Fussman has interviewed these people, but people came in wondering, or what's it like to interview Gorbachev or De Niro or Donald Trump?”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  27. “Foot space to the back, the complete back, and now there's a line of people that can't get in. I've become like the hottest nightclub in New York City, and I'd never done this before.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  28. “Luck toast with empty glass. And so we're all set and now every seat's taken, and they're still like ten minutes before the speech set to start, and people are still coming in. And now they're coming down the aisle and they're sitting at my ankles and they're filling the aisle. They're cross-legged in the aisle.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  29. “Well, no, I said, okay, there are like 150 seats, if 150 people show up, fine. Have the glasses and the wine, but let's face it. You may only go through a bottle. So they were all prepared and placed seated 150 in this funky nightclub. And all of a sudden the time starts to roll around and I'm watching and people are just flooding in. They take up all the seats. And I was very specific to the people serving the wine. I set up this speech to have toasts throughout to keep everybody's involvement going. So everybody had to lift their glass and like scream with me to keep everyone engaged. And so I said to the people delivering the wine, look, I need you to be able to walk down this corridor, down the center and keep everybody's glasses filled because it's bad.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  30. “That's cool. I'll speak to the one. The time for the speech comes, people start filing in. And I had set up this speech around wine. And there's a reason for it, because one of the stories we could get to a little later, I went out to learn about wine by becoming the Somalier at Windows of the World at the top of the World Trade Center right before the planes hit it. And so I'm very attached to wine. And what I wanted to do was to have everybody drinking a glass of wine while I told these stories. So if I messed up, they were still, yeah, helped.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  31. “Maybe six friends attending, and only one person, other than his six friends showed up. And he went out and he gave this speech, and what he realized was you give the speech to the As if that one person is the entire audience. And it turned out that she was so enthused that she later went to work for his charity. So I went in prepared. That book prepared me if there's one person in there. I don't care. I'm going to give that person the best. I'm not going to be disappointed. I'm just going to go out. I'm going to tell my stories. Give a few lessons. And let's see how it goes. Maybe the same day that I'm supposed to speak, they move my event. So it's now even in the program. If you're going to my event, you're going to the wrong place. So now I'm thinking, okay, I'm down to like 10 people.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  32. “Here's the thing about it there are 20 events going on at once. Generally, when you look at that, what I've learned column, I'm invisible. I don't write a single word. I just interview them, the subject, and then put it down in their own words. So I'm not a guy who you would ever see on TV that you would really know. I'm invisible. Yeah, there are people who know what I do. People in the know will come up and tell me, hey, I respect what you do in odd ways. But I'm figuring, okay, I'm on this cruise ship, maybe 20 people are going to show up at best. And in fact, I had read pencils for promise by Adam Braun, and he talked about giving, it might have been his first speech. And I guess he was expecting a crowd.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  33. “And the world is coming to you and wanting to hear you and tell you what they're up to. So like in three days at Summit at Sea, you literally can go around the world. And I was totally unprepared for this. I was asked to give a speech called Decoding the Art of the Interview. And I'd never spoken before. Didn't know what it was going to be like. But I have experiences with Mikhail Gorbachev and Donald Trump and De Nero and Muhammad Ali later on in life that they're good stories. And so I've been telling these stories as I was traveling around on Saturday nights and people always, oh, tell Ali's story. So I knew, okay, I don't know how to give a speech, but I can tell these stories. And so I go up and I tell my, and here.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  34. “There you go. And you can even... Get on an elevator without meeting somebody, somebody on the elevator is going to say, what's your name? I'm Michael. This is where I work. This is what I do. Who are you? I felt at the end of like three days. My head was really, it was like getting pumped up with helium. I was about to explode. It was amazing experience. And like you're sitting down and like at dinner and the guy next, you say, oh, this is the rocket ship I'm building. You want to see? And A pulls out his phone and he shows you his rocket ship. This is like wild. And it was like traveling around the world except the world came to you.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  35. “And by the Summit series, guys. Okay, so you know these folks. And basically, it's a cruise ship filled with 4,000 entrepreneurial minds. And that was wild to begin with because I had never, I had limited experiences with entrepreneurs. And then you put yourself on a ship with 4,000 entrepreneurs. Your life is going to change.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  36. “So I was asked to give a speech on a cruise, and I never, ever, ever went on cruises before. In fact, I got to say it's almost laughable because there are certain people, like they hear cruise and they turn up their nose. And I think I was one of those people, in fact, I had a friend who's a writer, and his wife wanted to go on a cruise. And she kept on pestering him, pestering him. And my wife finally said to him, why don't you take your wife on a cruise? And he said, Because I draw the line. I said, oh man, maybe I think about cruises that way. And then I was invited to speak on a cruise, but it was a special cruise. It was a cruise called Summit at Sea.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  37. “Approach them as if they were sitting on the train next to the empty seat, and I just sat down next to them. And that is where the evolution continued until actually very recently, it was 20 years. So it took me like 10 years to understand that an interview was more than Meet the Press. But then another 20 to figure out that it was more than sitting down with George Clooney and having the time in my life. Because crazy thing happened to me, caught me completely off guard and made me think about interviewing in a whole different way. And this was only very recently.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  38. “That's the third volume, these interviews have been done for almost 20 years now with everybody from presidents to premiers to movie stars. Basically, people that you know, the idea is for me to interview them. And using their own words, show them in a light that you never really knew. So you think you know these people and then you listen to their experiences and you say, whoa, I never knew that about Robert De Niro or Mikhail Gorbachev. So that is where these conversations on the trains were so important because I did not approach these interviews with Woody Allen or Wolfgang Puck, George Clooney, as if I was a journalist.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  39. “That was a moment where my style of interviewing had to change again because I was no longer traveling around the world. The woman and I got married. We moved to New York, started to have kids, and then I began to write for Esquire Magazine. And all the things that I learned on buses, trains, I was then able to project into Esquires what I've learned column, which consists of interviews with the most celebrated and accomplished and creative people on Earth.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  40. “Sand dunes that look like they're straight out of the Sahara butted against like the most sparkling waters of the Caribbean. The first Torbus is going to go to this place. There are going to be dune buggies. We don't have to go by mule. We don't need the crewed sailing vessels. And I'm just right on time. And so first bus leaves midnight Friday night. And I buy my ticket, get on the bus and I let down my guard and I spoke to the beautiful woman on the bus, on the way to the enchanted beach in Brazil, and that was the end of the trip. And I would tell you the rest of the story, except it takes two hours to do. We'll be at a, well, you're not doing it on tape, but if digital has any limits, we'll be out of there. But the important. Thing about it was”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  41. “Different as a traveler. But I said, okay, you know what? I said I heard, I actually heard of a beach in Brazil. You might not want me to go there because you're probably doing this as a travel issue to basically hook up with travel agents and airlines so people can go to these destinations. This beach that I heard of is on the north of Brazil. From what I heard, you can even get there unless you go on like a crude sailing vessel and on mule back and the other saying, you know, why don't you just check this place out? So I say, okay, and I leave Coach Obama, I go to Brazil, and I end up in a city called Fortaleza, Fortaleza. And just as I arrive, the first trip To this”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  42. “Oh, she did. Okay. I mean, that was it. Let's do something. We don't have any kids. Let's do something outrageous that nobody expected. And so naturally, I hear Cochabamba Bolivia, hey, I was. In Peru now skinny guys move into Coach Obama. Hey, I'll spend a few months in Coach Obama. So I'm there and I get a call from the Washington Post Sunday magazine. And again, going back to this nexus, the guy in charge had worked at Inside Sports and now he was in charge of his own magazine. And he called me up and he said, you know what? We're doing an issue about great beaches around the world. We know you've been to Brazil before. Is there a story about a beach in Brazil that you could write up for us? And at the time, I said, look, I'm in Cochabam. You would think it's crazy. But I was really getting into Coach Obama Bolivia. It's a completely different culture and there's an Altiplano that it's a landlocked nation. You really are experiencing something.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  43. “I'm part of the family before I even arrive. And a friend, the skinny guy, the skinny guy, got married, and he decided to take a year and spend it in Coachabamba, Bolivia. So I hear that and I'm thinking.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  44. “Okay, so I'm going around. I'm having a great time. And after 10 years, I mean, I got a pretty good network of people. So I don't really even have to rely on meeting somebody. Yeah, because enough people know me and when you're in Brazil, oh, there's this Vazenda Gicacao, this farm where they grow the cocoa beans, like great couple just go there. Like we'll send a letter in advance. They'll be expecting you. So I am at this point, it's almost like I'm a guest that's now expected.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  45. “That was totally worth it. You just named it. It's the tantric sex structure storytelling. That's it. Sting would love it. You know, six hours”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  46. “Ask about that headline. Yeah, but you can still use that tactic of telling a story that slowly grabs you in and it just puts out a little bait and gives you that smell. There's something interesting here. And then you're dragging the line so that they've got to keep following it. And they're feeling, you know what? Something big is behind here and make them get to the end. And then if you can deliver, I don't want to say it's orgasmic, but”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  47. “Okay, so just say you had a murder story. All right, and you are operating by that principle in journalism, like put it right at the top. And then, okay, this horrible thing happened. Let's go back to the beginning. And then now you've got to add everything up to see why that moment happened. Another option is to start it in a very ordinary way with just a twist that tells you something's going to go on here. I don't know, and you just keep reeling them in slowly. Just give a little more oh man, and then they met this person. What's going to happen now? And then you save it till near the end of the story. Part of the problem is when you do that in a magazine, they'll give it away in the headline.”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  48. “Start that way in the beginning and you save it for the end, but you do it in a more nuanced way. It's almost like, okay, I'm reading, but what is something is?”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  49. “Yeah, something exactly. You started to pull them in and then you, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. Now you have to go back to the beginning. I succored you in here. But then there were other more complicated ways where you don't”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  50. “Maybe part of that is through writing because that's what I was doing. I would interview people and then I would have to put what I got down in a specific order or a non-specific order in order to manipulate people into leaning closer. What's going to happen? What's going to happen? What's going to happen?”

    2024-06-04 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT