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  1. “I love the moment, which is I've been particularly working on, which is when a robot like the Cowboy hat is doing its own thing and then it recognizes you. I mean, the way a dog does, and it looks like this. And the moment of recognition, like you're walking, say you're walking at an airport on a street, and there's just hundreds of strangers, but then you see somebody you know. And that like, where you wake up to that excitement of seeing somebody you know and saying hello and all that kind of stuff, that's a magical moment. Like, I think, especially with the dog. It makes you feel noticed and heard and loved like that somebody looks at you and recognizes you that it matters that you exist.”

    2022-10-15 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #329 – Kate Darling: Social Robots, Ethics, Privacy and the Future of MIT · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “Not in this way. I mean, I just can put on my normal human hat and just see this, oh, this is like there's a lot of possibility there of something cool, just like with dogs. What is it? Why are we so into dogs or cats? It's way different than us Like drooling all over the place with its tongue out. It's like a weird creature that used to be a wolf. Why are we into this thing?”

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  3. “Yeah, that's, it is kind of sad. There's just robots everywhere. I mean, I'm joking about it being sad because I think it's kind of beautiful. I think robots are... Beautiful in the same way that pets are, even children, in that they capture some kind of magic of social robots. They have the capacity to have the same kind of magic of connection. I don't know what that is. When they're brought to life and they move around. The way they make me feel, I'm pretty convinced as you know, they will make billions of people feel. I don't think I'm some weird robotics guy. I'm not. I mean, you.”

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  4. “So I'm judging harshly the people that have cats or the people that have dogs. Be the people that have dogs are desperate for attention and unconditional love and they're unable to. To sort of struggle, to earn meaningful connections. I don't know”

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  5. “I wonder if there's good, because I understand dogs, they use their eyes, they're able to communicate affection, all those kinds of things. It's really interesting what dogs do. There's whole conferences on dog consciousness and cognition and all that kind of stuff. Now cats is a mystery to me. Because they seem to not give a shit about the human.”

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  6. “I wonder, does that have to do more with the culture and the people or the robot design as their interplay between the two? Like, why did dogs and cats I'll compete ox and I don't know what else like farm animals to really get inside the home and get inside our hearts.”

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  7. “What about companionship? And when we start to think about cats and dogs, like pets that seem to serve no purpose whatsoever except the social connection.”

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  8. “No, dogs have love. Cats have no soul I'm just kidding. People get so angry when I talk about cats. I love cats. Anyway, so yeah, you're describing all the different kinds of animals that get domesticated. And it's a really interesting idea that it's not just sort of pets, there's all kinds of domestication going on. They all have all kinds of uses. Like the ox that you Proposed might be at least historically one of the most useful domesticated animals.”

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  9. “By the way, squirrels are the cutest, I project so much on squirrels, I wonder what their inner life is I suspect they're much bigger assholes than we imagine. Like, if it was a giant squirrel, it would fuck you over so fast if you had the chance. It would take everything you own. It would eat all your stuff. But because it's small and the furry tail, the furry tale is a Is a weapon against human consciousness and cognition. It wins us over. That's what cats do too. Cats are competed squirrels.”

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  10. “So, one of the really interesting perspectives that your book takes on a system like this is to see them, not to compare a system like this to humans, but to compare it to animals, of how we see animals. Can you kind of try to, again, sneak up, try to explain why this analogy is better? The human analogy, the analogy of robots as animals”

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  11. “Do you think they would, because to me this is um. The focus in the ad community has been well, this engineer Shirley's hallucinating. The thing is not sentient. But to me, I, first of all, it doesn't matter if he is or not. This is coming. Where a large number of people would believe a system is sentient, including engineers within companies. So, in that sense, you start to think about a world where your kids aren't just used to having a conversation with the bot, but used to believing kind of. Having an implied belief that the thing is sentient.”

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  12. “Like, how do you think people feel like when you tell them that you're a squirrel? Know, or like, I forget what it was a lot of people might be scared to find out that you're a squirrel or something like this. And then the system answers pretty like. Pretty well. I hope they'll like what do you think when they find out you're a squirrel I hope they'll see how fun it is to be a squirrel”

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  13. “Pretty convincing, yeah. Even GPT 3, which is not state of the art. Convincing of being a squirrel. It's like, what it's like. You should check it out because it really is like, yeah, that probably is what a squirrel would say. Are you excited? Like, what's it like being a squirrel? It's fun”

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  14. “She's great. I left a note for myself to reach out to her. She's amazing. She's hilarious and brilliant and just a great summarizer of the state of AI. But she has, I think that was from her where I was looking at. AI explaining that it's a squirrel.”

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  15. “Not even just a collection of data, but the ability to manipulate. So, what do you think about the AI, the engineer from Google that thought lambda is sentient? He had actually a really good post from somebody else. I forgot her name. It's brilliant. I can't believe I didn't know about her. Thanks to you. Yeah, for weird A”

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  16. “Is that a website? To check it out And that's an interesting one because China is behind that one. So, if it's compelling enough, maybe people would be able to give up privacy and that kind of stuff.”

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  17. “I think they would. In the modern world, people have you seen Twitter, they get extremely paranoid about any kind of surveillance.”

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  18. “I don't know. Maybe that's true for cameras. But with robots, people are just not going to let a robot inside their home where like one time where somebody gets arrested because of something a robot sees, that's going to destroy a company.”

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  19. “I believe that the companies that have robots The only ones that will succeed are the ones that don't do that, meaning they respect privacy.”

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  20. “Probably. But currently what they're doing, which I think. Understandable, but you know, the car just can pull over and stop and wait for help to arrive and then a driver will come and then they'll actually drive the car for you. But that's like, you know, what if you're late? For meeting or all that kind of stuff.”

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  21. “They're not doing. Anything in terms of making you feel better. Like at least Waymo. I think they went with the approach of let's not try to put eyes on the thing. It's a wheel. We know what that looks like. It's just a car. It's a car get in the back. Let's not like discuss this at all. Let's not discuss the fact that this is a robot driving you and you're in the back and if the robot wants to start driving 80 miles an hour and run off of a bridge you have no recourse. Let's not discuss this. You're just getting in the back. There's no discussion about like how shit can go wrong. There's no eyes. There's nothing. There's like a map showing what the car can see. What happens if it's like a Hal 9000 situation? Like I'm sorry, I can't you have a button you can like call customer service.”

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  22. “And like Waymo Loki has driverless cars in Arizona. You can get, you know, there's like robots. It's weird. Have you ever been to one? It's so weird. It's so awesome because the most awesome experience is the wheel turning. You're sitting in the back, it's like, I don't know, it's um. Feels like you're a passenger with that friend who's a little crazy of a driver. It feels like Shit, I don't know. Are you alright to drive, bro? You know, that kind of feeling. But then you kind of. That experience, that nervousness and the excitement of trusting another being, and in this case it's a machine. Just even introspecting your own feelings about the thing”

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  23. “But everyone else used to be doing that, but they kind of like, all right, we. Maybe that's not province we're going to solve level four driving by 2020 Let's chill on that”

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  24. “But I didn't before I wasn't sure we're going to get there. Without, like with current technology. So I was kind of, this is like with vision alone, my intuition was you're going to have to solve common sense reasoning. Gonna have to solve some of the big problems in artificial intelligence, not just perception. You have to have a deep understanding of the world was my sense. But now I'm starting to like, well, I'm continuously surprised how, well, the thing works. Obviously, Elon and others, others have stopped, but Elon continues saying we're going to solve it in a year.”

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  25. “Don't know if they even have a good intuition of how hard driving is anymore. Maybe it is possible to solve. So all the sunset, all the education cases”

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  26. “At least from my perspective, people that are kind of critical of Elon and those efforts, I think don't give enough credit how much progress will make some, how much incredible progress has been made in that direction. I think most of the Robotist community wouldn't have guessed how much you can do on vision alone. It's kind of incredible because we would be, I think that approach, which is relatively unique. Has challenged the other competitors to step up their game. So if you're using Lidar, if you're using mapping, That challenges them to do better, to scale faster, and to use machine learning and computer vision as well to integrate both LIDAR and vision. So it's kind of incredible. And I'm not.”

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  27. “Distracted all of that, and still very few die relative to what I would imagine if I were to guess back in the horse see when I was like in the beginning of the 20th century riding my horse I would talk so much shit about these cars I'd be like this is gonna this is extremely dangerous these machines traveling at 30 miles an hour or whatever the hell they were going at this is irresponsible it's unnatural and and it's going to be destructive to all of human society but then it's extremely surprising how humans adapt to the thing and they know how to not kill each other I mean, that ability to adapt is incredible. And to mimic that in the machine is really tricky. That said, what Tesla is doing. I mean, I wouldn't have guessed how far machine learning can go on vision alone. It's really, really incredible. And people that”

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  28. “What's really hard to improve? It's terrible that people die in car accidents, but I mean, it's like 70, 80, 100 million miles, one death per. 80 million miles, that's like really hard to beat for a robot. That's incredible. Like, think about it. How many people, just the number of people throughout the world that are driving every single day? All this, you know, Steve deprived, drunk.”

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  29. “Especially in the physical realm. It's weird. I mean, it continues the story of humans we think we're shitty at everything in the physical world, including driving. We think everybody makes fun of themselves and others for being shitty drivers, but we're actually kind of incredible.”

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  30. “Dog with a hat But yes, and but figuring out also how to disable the mind. Obviously, the easy thing, the thing a robot can help with is to find the mind and blow it up. But that kind of destroyed the landscape that really does a lot of damage to the land. You want to disable the mine. And to do that, because of all the different edge cases of the problem, it requires a huge amount of human-like experience, it seems like. So it's mostly done by humans. They have no use for robots. They don't want robots.”

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  31. “You would think robots would be good at this kind of thing, or like your intuition would be like, well, say you have unlimited money and you want to do a good job of it, unlimited money, you would get a lot of really nice robots, but no, humans are still far superior.”

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  32. “If you look at the history of the twentieth century, it seems like automation constantly increases productivity and improves the average quality of life. So it's been always good. So like thinking about This time being different would need to go against the lessons of history. The other thing is, I think people think that the automation of the physical tasks is easy. I was just in Ukraine, and the interesting thing is... I mean, there's a lot of difficult and dark lessons just about a war zone. But one of the things that happens in war is there's a lot of mines that are placed. One of the big problems for years after a war is even over is the entire landscape is covered in mines. And so there's a demining effort.”

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  33. “That's what people don't realize are the physical manipulation task with humans. It's not that the robots want to hurt you. I think that's what people are worried about this malevolent robot. Mind of its own and wants to destroy all humans. Now it's, you know, it's actually very difficult to know where the human is. And to respond to the human and dynamically and collaborate with them on a task, especially if you're something like an industrial robotic arm, which is extremely powerful. Some of the... Some of those arms are pretty impressive now that you can just grab it, you can move it. So the collaboration between human robot in the factory setting is really fascinating. Do you think they'll take our job”

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  34. “Yeah, physical robots. Like, what are you impressed by? So I think a lot of people, I mean, that's what your book is about have maybe a not a perfectly calibrated understanding of Where we are in terms of robotics, what's difficult to robotics, what's easy in robotics.”

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  35. “So, what do you think if we just look at the state of the art of robotics? What do you think robots are actually good at today? Look at today.”

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  36. “And it's just like walking down this long hall, and I'm like looking around. Is anyone like what's happening here? So presumably some kind of automation where it's doing the mapping. I mean, the whole environment is probably really well mapped. But it was just, it gave me a picture of a world where a robot is doing its thing, wearing a cowboy hat, just going down the hall, like getting some coffee or whatever. Like, I don't know what it's doing. What's the mission? But I don't know. For some reason, that really stuck with me. You don't often see robots that aren't part of a demo or that aren't, you know, like with a semi-autonomous autonomous vehicle directly doing a test. This was just chilling.”

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  37. “I have a bunch of little, like I built the, well, I'm not finished with a butter robot from Rick and Morty. I still have a bunch of robots everywhere. But the thing is what happens is you're working on one robot at a time and that becomes like a little project. Actually, very difficult to have Just a passively functioning robot always moving. That's a dream for me because I'd love to create that kind of little world. The impressive thing about Boston dynamics to me was to see hundreds of spots. The most impressive thing that still sticks with me is. There was a spot robot. Walking down the hall, seemingly with no supervision whatsoever, and he was wearing he or she, I don't know, was wearing a cowboy hat. It was just walking down the hall and nobody paying attention”

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  38. “What I like about Boston Dynamics and similar companies is still mostly run by engineers. But I've had my criticisms. There's a bit more PR leaking in. Those videos are made by engineers because that's what they find fun. Like testing the robustness of the system. I mean, They're having a lot of fun there with the robots.”

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  39. “Almost like an unspoken In cheek thing. They're aware of how people are going to feel when you have a robot that does like a flip. Now most of the people are just like excited about the control problem of it, like how to make the whole thing happen. But they're aware when people see”

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  40. “Well, Boston Dynamics is an interesting company, or any of the others that are doing a similar thing because their main source of money is in industrial applications. So like surveillance of factories and doing dangerous jobs. So to them, it's almost good PR for people to be scared of these things because it's for some reason as you talk about people are naturally for some reason scared. We could talk about that of robots and so it becomes more viral like playing with that little fear. And so it's almost like a good PR because ultimately they're not trying to put them in the home and have a good social connection. They're trying to put them in factories. And so they have fun with it. If you watch Boston Dynamics videos. They're aware of it.”

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  41. “And so, like, you want to be able to, they're going to do it. You have to start to think about how they're going to do it. Even if the robot is like a Boston Dynamics robot, that's not supposed to have any kind of social component. They're obviously going to project a social component to it. That arm I worked a lot with quadrupeds now with robot dogs. You know, that arm people think is the head immediately. Supposed to be an arm, but they start to think it's a head, and you have to acknowledge that. You can't, I mean”

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  42. “Yeah, I think a lot of roboticists I know they don't gender the robot. They even try to avoid naming the robot or naming it something that can be used as a name in conversation kind of thing. And I think that's actually... Irresponsible because people are going to anthropomorphize the thing anyway. You're just removing from yourself the responsibility of how they're going to anthropomorphize it”

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  43. “What do you think about that? If I were to say I think the role of a great designer again, to go back to Johnny I is to throw out the marketing research. Like take it in, do it, learn from it. But if everyone wants Alexa to be a female voice, the role of the designers to think deeply about the future of social agents in the home and think. Like, what does that future look like and try to reverse engineer that future? So in some sense, there's this weird tension. Like, you want to listen to a lot of people. At the same time, you want to, you're creating a thing that defines the future of the world. And the people that you're listening to are part of the past. That weird tension”

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  44. “But if you're not careful when you do the research of like, you might, if you ran a poll with a lot of people of all the possible names these robots have, they might come up with Roxy and Lola as names they would enjoy most. Like that could come up as the highest”

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  45. “The caption reads Two Hospital Delivery Robots whose sexy nurse names Roxy and Lola made me roll my eyes so hard they almost fell out. What aspect of it made you roll your eyes? Is it the naming”

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  46. “Yeah, all the fun. In the book, you have a picture. I just have a lot of ridiculous questions. You have a picture of two hospital delivery robots with a caption that reads, by the way, see your book, I appreciate that it keeps the humor in.”

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  47. “Who rolls in and says cuts through the lawyers the PR, but has a benevolent aspect like, yeah, there's a good heart and make sure, like, I think all great artists and designers create stuff that doesn't hurt people. Like if you have a good heart, you're going to create something that's going to actually make a lot of people feel good. That's what people like Johnny Ive, what they love doing is creating a thing that brings a lot of love to the world. Imagine like millions of people using the thing and it instills them with joy. You could say that about social robotics. You could say that about the metaverse. It shouldn't be done by the PR people. It should be done by the designers.”

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  48. “Think what's the way to solve that in large organizations is to have Steve Jobs type of characters. Unfortunately, you do need to have, I think. From a designer perspective, or maybe like a Johnny Ives, that is almost like a dictator.”

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  49. “The problem is there's departments that look for harm in things. And so they will find harm in things that have no harm. That's the big problem because their whole job is to find harm in things. So what you said is completely correct, which is edginess should not hurt doesn't necessarily doesn't need to be a thing that hurts people. Obviously, great humor, great personality doesn't have to, like Clippy. But yeah, I mean, but it's tricky to get right. And I'm not exactly sure. I don't know. I don't know why a large corporation with a lot of funding can't get this right.”

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  50. “And I just feel like that wouldn't even that clippy thing wouldn't even survive Microsoft or Facebook of today, Meta of today. It would be like there would be these meetings about why is it a paper? Like, why don't we? It's not sufficiently friendly. Let's make it, you know, and then all of a sudden the artist with whom it originated is killed. And it's all PR marketing people and all of that kind of stuff. Now, they do important work to some degree, but they kill the creativity.”

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