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  1. “Independent game designers have solved this problem of how to create something beautiful and interesting and compelling, they do a really good job. So you have to let those kinds of minds, the small groups of people design things and let them run with it, let them run wild and do edgy stuff. Otherwise, you get this kind of, you get a clippy type of situation, right? Which is like a very generic looking thing. But even clippy has some, like, that's kind of wild that you would take a paperclip and put eyes on it.”

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  2. “Like in Metaverse, the possibility of sexual assault and sexual harassment and all that kind of stuff, it's obviously very high, but you should be paranoid to some degree, but not too much because then you remove completely the personality of the whole thing. Then everybody's just like a vanilla bot that like you have to have. To be a little bit political, to be a little bit edgy, all that kind of stuff. And large companies tend to suffocate that. But in general, if you get all that, just the ability to come up Really cool, beautiful ideas. If you look at, I think Grimes tweeted about this, she's very critical about the metaverse, is that”

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  3. “Yeah, right, exactly. Like, what, I mean, we're living through this now, like with, uh, With a lot of people with cancellations, all those kinds of stuff people are nervous and nervousness results in, like usual, the assholes are ruining everything. But the magic of human connection is taking risks of making a risky joke. With people you like who are not assholes, good people, like some of the fun in the metaverse or in video games, you know, being edgier, being interesting, revealing your personality in interesting ways in the sexual tension or in they're definitely paranoid about that.”

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  4. “Well I talked to Carmack about this. John Carmack, who's a part time Oculus. CT I think there are several things to say. One is, as you probably know, that there's bureaucracy, there's large corporations, and they often large corporations have a way of Killing the indie kind of artistic flame that's required to create something really compelling, somehow they make everything boring because they run through this whole process through the PR department through all that kind of stuff and it somehow becomes generic to that process.”

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  5. “I mean, have you seen it? Because there's something you can't quite put into words that doesn't feel genuine. The way it looks. And so the question is, if you and I were to meet virtually. What should the avatars look like for us to have similar kind of connection? Should it be really simplified? Should it be a little bit more realistic? Should it be cartoonish? Should it be more Better capturing of expressions in interesting complex ways versus like cartoonish oversimplified ways.”

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  6. “It feels like a similar problem to social robotics, which is how you design a digital virtual world that is. Compelling when you connect others there in the same way that physical connection is.”

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  7. “You forget it. I mean, you do forget it. I mean, I don't know if even with microphones here, you forget that that's happening. But for some reason, I think probably with Marty, I think when it's done really crudely and crappily, you start to realize, oh, this is like PR people trying to make a friendly version of a surveillance machine. I mean, that reminds me of the slight clumsiness or significant clumsiness on the initial releases of the avatars for the metaverse. I don't know. What are your actually thoughts about that? The The avatars, the way Mark Zuckerberg looks in that world, you know, the metaverse, the virtual reality world where you can have like virtual meetings and stuff like that. Like, how do we get that right? Do you have thoughts about that? Because it's a kind of.”

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  8. “I wonder if there's a way to If it would help to make Marty seem like an entity of its own versus The arm of a large corporation. So there's some sense where This is just the camera that's monitoring people versus this is an entity that's a standalone entity. It has its own task and it has its own personality. Like the more personality you give it, the more it feels like. It's not sharing data with anybody else. When we see other human beings, our basic assumption is whatever I say to this human being, it's not like being immediately sent to the CIA.”

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  9. “Is complaining to you a sign that we're on the wrong path with a particular robot or is it possible like again like marriage like Family that there still is a path towards that direction where we can find deep meaningful relationship.”

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  10. “And like these are so many possible options for humor there. One, you can lean in. You can be like, yes, I'm an agent of the CIA monitoring your every move, like mocking people that are concerned, you know what I'm saying? Yes, I'm watching you because you're so important with your shopping patterns. I'm collecting all this data or just any kind of making fun of people. I don't know.”

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  11. “There's a complex thing there. It could be like marriage. A lot of people seem to like to complain about marriage, but they secretly love it. So it could be the relationship you might have with Marty is like, oh, there he goes again doing his stupid surveillance thing, but you grow to love the Bitching about the thing that kind of releases a kind of tension. And there's, I mean, some people, a lot of people show love by sort of busting each other's chops, you know, like making fun of each other. And then I think people would really love it if Marty talked back.”

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  12. “For ask for help or be able to communicate the uncertainty. Yeah, exactly. All of those things because you can't solve the perception and control. We humans haven't solved it. We're really damn good at it. But the magic is in the self-deprecating humor and the self-awareness about where our flaws are, all that kind of stuff.”

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  13. “See, what I feel like people don't understand is to solve the perception and the control problem. You shouldn't try to just solve the perception control problem. Teach the robot how to say, Oh shit, I'm sorry. I fucked up.”

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  14. “But don't, you know, I feel like robotics of the early 21st century. Is not going to be the robotics of the later 21st century. If you call yourself a roboticist, there'll be something very different because I think more and more you'll be like maybe like a control engineer or something controls engineer. Like you separate because ultimately all the unsolved, all the big In the interacting with humans aspect, in the perception, interpreting the world aspect, in the brain part, not the basic control level part.”

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  15. “Yeah, those are actually, so the people behind Cosmo. The robot The right people to design those as animators, like Disney type of people. Versus Ibroboticists Robots are mostly clueless. Seems”

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  16. “Yeah, it's kind of amazing the variety of cues that can be used to anthropomorphize the thing, like a glowing orb or something like that. Just a voice, just subtle basic interaction. I think people sometimes over-engineer these things. Like simplicity can go a really long way.”

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  17. “And it should be in some deep way similar to us, but in most ways different. Because you still want to have a connection, which is why the similarity might be necessary.”

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  18. “What I think a robot is something that has some level of intelligence. Some level of magic. Little shine in the eye, you know, that allows you to navigate the uncertainty of life. So that means like autonomous vehicles to me in that sense are robots because they navigate. The uncertainty the complexity of life obviously social robots are that.”

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  19. “It's like a wedding dress or something like that. You only wear it once. You are the author of the new breed what our history with animals reveals about our future with robots. You open the book with the surprisingly tricky question What is a robot? So let me ask you, let's try to sneak up to this question. What's a robot?”

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  20. “You're an actual Bieber fan, or was that like one of those t-shirts? In the back of the closet that you use for painting.”

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  21. “It's very difficult because if their current hackers, there's this gray area about what they can and can't talk about and I don't like gray areas. I like people to be raw and transparent and real, all that kind of stuff. But no matter what, it's a super fascinating topic. Go to expressvpn.com slash lugspod for an extra three months free. This is the Lex Friedman podcast. To support it, please check out our sponsors in the description. And now, dear friends, here's Kate Darling. Last time we talked a few years back you were just afraid. The podcast. So now looking back, you're a respected researcher, all the amazing accomplishments in robotics. You're an author. Was this one of the proudest moments of your life? Proudest decisions you've ever made?”

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  22. “Strange relationship with software that's really well designed. Anyway, it's like a good VPN should be. It's fast. It works on any device, including Linux, Android, and all that good stuff. And it's a base level of protection that everybody should be using. I'm probably having a bunch of conversation with cybersecurity folks on both sides. I think I have a person coming on that used to be an FBI agent doing cybersecurity and also really want to get a bunch of hackers on, former current hackers would be epic. Of course.”

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  23. “Or just like food advice, what I should eat today based on my body. That's probably the future. My body is giving me very noisy signals about when it's hungry and what it wants to eat. I wish I had higher resolution signals, or like the signals that it's sending needs to be interpreted. There's probably a lot of signal there. It's just my brain is too dumb to interpret it. So I would love to understand what my body's telling me. That's why I love Inside Tracker, is that it's listening to your body to give you advice about what you should do with said body. Get special savings for a limited time when you go to insighttracker.com slash lex. This show is also brought to you by ExpressVPN. I use them to protect my privacy on the internet. I also use them to feel good about my life. But that's because I have”

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  24. “The ability to set stuff up, to monitor, all that kind of stuff. And that's really why I love Linode. And of course, the number one reason, or should I say the number zero reason, is that it's Linux. I love Linux, all things Linux. Visit Lino.com slash Lex to get $100 in free credit Show is also brought to you by Inside Tracker, a service I use to track biological data. They have a bunch of plans that collect a bunch of information from your body and you use machine learning, algorithms to analyze your blood data, DNA data, fitness tracker data, all of that give you a picture of what's going on inside you and give you recommendations for diet lifestyle changes. I wish they gave dating advice or career advice.”

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  25. “This episode is also brought to you by Linode, Linux Virtual Machines. It's an awesome computer infrastructure that I just love. Everything about it unless you develop, deploy and scale what applications you build faster and easier. I use it for small personal projects. I hope to one day have huge projects that I can run on it. I think the big competitor is AWS. That's probably a bunch of others. But AWS, it's lower cost than AWS, better customer service, the simplicity of everything. I just love it. Obviously, computer infrastructure, the compute has to be really good. The actual systems have to be really good. The distributed compute has to be good. The interface from a user perspective of how you set everything up, how you scale, all that kind of stuff also should be good. I think that's actually more important.”

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  26. “Yeah, it's my favorite as far as I'm concerned, if you look on Reddit and all those other kinds of places, Shopify is the recommended place to sell stuff online. Super easy to use, super easy to set up, all of that. Get a free trial and full access to Shopify's entire suite of features when you sign up at Shopify. com slash lex. That's all lowercase Shopify dot com slash lex.”

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  27. “Shipping included on purchases over one hundred dollars, one hundred percent risk free guarantee with a thirty day return policy. Show is also brought to you by Shopify, a platform designed for anyone to sell anywhere with a great looking online store that brings your ideas to life and gives you tools to manage day-to-day operations. I've been using Shopify for a while to sell stuff, but my use cases are pretty simple. And I think that's probably true for many people, for many merchants. You just want to sell a couple of things that you care about and to a small set of people that are interested in that kind of thing. But I think There's a lot of entrepreneurs that really use Shopify to like run a business small business, medium-sized business, all that kind of stuff. I think it's 1.7 million entrepreneurs that use it.”

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  29. “And now a quick second mention of each sponsor. Check them out in the description as the best way to support this podcast. We got true, classic teas for high quality t shirts, Shopify for e commerce, Linode for Linux, Inside Tracker for Biomonitoring, and ExpressVPN for privacy. Choose Wazi, my friends. And now onto the full ad reads. As always, no ads in the middle, I hate those. And since I do this podcast, I'm able to control Whether we do them or not. I tried to make these interesting, but if you skip them, please still check out our sponsors. I enjoy their stuff. Maybe you will too. This show is brought to you by, I believe in you sponsor. I've been wearing their t shirts for a while now, so I don't remember.”

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  30. “The following is a conversation with Kate Darling, her second time on the podcast. She's a research scientist at MIT Media Lab, interested in human robot interaction and robot ethics, which she writes about in her recent book called The New Breed, what our history with animals reveals about our future with robots. Kate is one of my favorite people at MIT. She was a courageous voice of reason and compassion through the time of the Geoffrey Epstein scandal at MIT three years ago. We reflect on this time in this very conversation, including the lessons it revealed about human nature and our optimistic vision for the future of MIT, a university we both love and believe in.”

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