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  1. It's better than a button. You'll like it. I'll tell you in a second. There's your sergeant in charge, and then they have their two IC. And so the comms come in to the sergeant. And the sergeant is the or your master bombardier, Bombardier Chef. Yeah.

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  2. Great way to say something on the radio, the right way to run a gun, the right way to, because you got to move with those guns, you've got seven people. It's really magical. I'll send you a video when we did some live fire and workup training in Texas before we left. We did a competition between the other gun to see who could fire 10 rounds fast, like faster. It is truly beautiful to watch an artillery unit fire a gun because it's like a symphony. Everyone has their parts and everyone knows and everyone's yelling, but they know why they're yelling and everyone. This guy's got to do this in order for this guy to load the round. It's just, it's beautiful. It really is. It is gorgeous to watch. I miss it deeply.

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  3. That's my logic on that. For me, I joined the military in November of 2007. I was in basic training in January of 2008. I was graduated basic SQ, which is all your weapons training. Your DP1, which is your trade-specific training. So whatever trade you're going to go into, whether it's infantry, armored, artillery, medic, whatever, that's your DP1. It's called different things in different units. And then I got posted to my unit in September. So January to September, I had done all my training. And I'm an English-speaking individual. I got posted to a French unit that only speaks French and had to learn all of the weapon systems, everything again that I just learned in that short timeframe in French.

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  4. I'll argue that point till I'm blue in the face. I spoke to recently, I actually spoke to my sergeant. He's not a sergeant anymore, but Sergeant Mark LeBlanc, he's in Africa right now on a deployment. He gave me a call the other day, and I remember talking to him about this. And it's frustrating because we were at an active war. We were involved in an active war where the units that I were in were degged red, which meant they needed people. So, when you need people, things go quick. Whether or not that's right, I mean, you could argue that's the similar thing to what's happening in the world right now. We needed a vaccine. We got a vaccine. Is it the best it could be? Could it be better? Could it do more things? Sure, probably, but with the time that we had, we did the best that we could.

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  5. Just can cause such devastation. But for me, when I had them, some of the Canadians would make fun of me because when I did go outside the wire with the British, I had two right here. And I remember I put a piece of tape over the spoons because in my mind, I could picture myself searching someone and grabbing me and pulling that. And that would be me. That would have been like, yep, that if anyone that was going to happen to, it was her for sure.

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  6. World Warfare. Oh, yeah. Those are fantastic. The Taliban were throwing them over the wall at the airport in Kabul. People use them all the time. Because when you're in Afghanistan, if you're in a rural area, you're going from village to village and they're mud hut walls. They're tall, but you're walking through corridors and stuff. All you got to lob one of those. It's going to take the whole unit out that just walk by. They're accurate if you're close enough and they're effective if you're close enough. I love them though. I think they're fascinating to me because they're such a tiny little thing with such devastation

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  7. There's the spoon and the pin. So the pin holds the spoon in place. When you pull that pin, the firing mechanism inside, as long as that the spoon is up against it, it won't fire. As soon as that spoon goes, I believe it causes a reaction on the inside and you've got about five seconds to check it. You'd be better to ask that question too.

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  8. All of them because I've never fired a weapon. So we had the C7s, which are like your M16s, I believe, the long barrel. The cute thing about those is when I have that slung, my barrel drags on the ground. So that's fun. And they shoot, you know, your 762 or your 556 round. I loved that. I preferred the C8, which was a short barrel, which is what the SF guys use. Not because it's cooler looking, which it obviously is, but because it was functional for my body height and it didn't drag on the ground when I ran. I loved those, your personal weapon. Being an artillery gunner, if you're not an officer, at least in our unit, you didn't get a side piece. Didn't have a side piece, Lex. So I never had a handgun of any type. I fired those in training. You can't get over that side piece comment. Look at you.

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  9. Was me and another individual. I want to say it wasn't Sarah Pellegrine, but it was another girl that was smaller. And the person is supposed to wrap around your waist and tucklow and hold your stability. And we were just aiming at tanks that day. And they were just concrete heads. So they would just either hit and bounce off or whatever. And so when my sergeant saw that, he just kind of looked at both of us and was like, no, I'm just going to. And he got real low and just like rapped. Both of us, and then we'd fire it, and it feels like you're getting punched in the side of the head on repeat by Jock You lose all your hearing, you just not comes out of your nose and you're just kind of discombobulated for a minute. It's a real mindfuck.

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  10. Goes on your shoulder, and then it has a little sight that pops out that's almost like plastic like, which is kind of funny because it reminds me of like the little green army man. I just felt so flimsy to me. I was like, this is hilarious. And then another person stands behind you and opens the hatch. And so there's this, there's these two levers, and you just kind of open it. And then the back end, which is flared. So it's just a tube, and then it's flared, that will open it and drop down, and you load around into that. And then you load it back up. And you're never supposed to stand behind it because the blast behind it will kill you. It's yeah. But in my case, when I fired it,

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  11. They should be. They're fascinating when you take them apart and you see how small the parts get down to and how necessary every single little piece is to make that thing run. And even without the tiniest little BB smaller than a piece on there, an artillery gun might not run. So we were trained on Carl G's, I think it's called M72s, which are disposable rocket launchers. I'll back up. Carl G's are around, I don't know the exact millimeter of the round. It's been a while since I shot them. We only did those in training. But essentially it takes most people, one person can fire effectively, hold it and fire it. It takes another person to load it. So you put it onto your shoulder in ways I would, I don't know, 30 pounds, 40 pounds.

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  12. Oh, yeah, and we've all discussed that. I haven't seen that yet, and I've heard about it, and people have made me tell yeah, I know.

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  13. I've never played video games, so I can't compare it to that. But like from a sports perspective, yeah, I could argue that. Like I felt like we won there for a second. It's not just like a heat from outside. It's like this radiation within you that is something I've never felt since.

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  14. Anxious excitement, hopeful that they wouldn't blow it up on us. There was this There was this excitement that's hard to describe because you don't want to be excited that you're dropping bombs on people. But when you just saw their faces and they're shooting at you, there's this overwhelming feeling of got you, motherfucker.

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  15. Are you talking about being under it or shooting it? Oh, yeah, it 55 degree heat. You know that you're waiting for it to be cold. You feel an overwhelming excitement to start because for me, I'd never been under it. So I was like, okay, I had my camera ready. Like I was a kid at a candy store. And I'm like, I want to watch this happen. And once you hear the crackle, I got really fearful my anxiety kicked up significantly. I got to the point where I got numb. Like I was, my nerves were on overdrive so much that like my body would go like numb. Like I could move, but like my nerves were numb if that makes sense.

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  16. And then you just hear like a whiz and it shit just goes everywhere. It's loud. It shakes the ground. It shakes you. You feel it.

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  17. I had the rare opportunity to do that. And I have a video I'll show you after. It's terrifying because I know the people that are shooting it, and I know them personally, and I know what they're like as humans. And for the most part, they're dialed. Will you get the odd duck where you're like, I've seen people have an ND, which is a negligent discharge? You basically get charged for it. You're getting a lot of trouble because you can blow people up. And accidents happen. And so I know accidents can happen in stressful situations. And when I was with the Brits, we had to call Danger Close Artillery. And when it goes over top of you, it sounds like thunder and lightning. So you fire it and it's not the stereotype that you hear in World War II where it kind of like that. It's more of like a Crackle

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  18. As long as no one moves Don't move. Stay still. But you can hear it coming Can't hear it until it's too close. So, like, when I went, sorry, go ahead, you were gonna say

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  19. No, we used the foo, which are forward observation officers, which are an artillery individual that is embedded with an infantry unit.

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  20. And you're just kind of doing this, and you're watching it, and once you hit your target, you know it'll tell you that's where you need to hit.

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  21. The GPS, like the computer system that's on it itself, I never ran that much, but it is completely technologically, it's GPS guided. All you have to do is literally type in the coordinates. Then you've got the two big, there's a technical word for it, but basically wheels. One does the trajectory, you know, you do your

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  22. My, I'm trying to say this right because I know people squawked at me about some of the stuff on Jaco, so I'm trying to be very accurate. In my experience, we used HE rounds to wipe people off the face of the earth when the infantry needed us. So we would get a call at any time, and there's always two guns together. So you never go solo gun ever. If you are, it's sketchy and there's bad shit's happening.

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  23. We don't use that round often. I think it's only been used a handful of times, Max, in Afghanistan, that I'm aware of. Again, I haven't there from 2009 until 21, but I know people that still deployed in those units and I don't know that it was used very often. But the regular round, so there's HE, there's Loom, so HE is high explosive. There's Loom. You shoot that it explodes in the sky. It lights up the sky for the infantry below. And then there's shrapnel rounds that will explode in the sky. And then shrapnel just rains down hell on you. HE is what you use normally.

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  24. Yeah, yeah, that's, well, that's it. So depending on the operation or whoever is running it or how they want it done, sometimes if they just know there's targets, they'll use us, you know, high value targets. So we have this round. It's called the excaliber round. It costs about half a million dollars per round. It comes in a special tube that is like sealed and locked and you have to get permission from Ottawa to shoot it. And it's only used for VIP targets. So like we have VIP for everyone. And it will GPS guided, it's rocket propelled. And when you fire it If this is a wall and somebody's sitting on this side of it, we'll hit you right there. We won't touch that wall. It will hit you pinpoint. It'll go right through whatever concrete, whatever, and then it will destroy.

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  25. No, you're talking automatic. No, you're talking about an artillery gun. So, what it is, it's a 155mm howitzer that shoots up to 40 kilometers accurately, 45 unrecorded, and it shoots 100 pound round.

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  26. And they have a casing on them and they're much easier to handle. The guns are smaller. You need less people for them. They're basically what you train on nowadays. It's not what we use overseas. What we use overseas, now those things are beautiful. Those are just a sheer work of the engineering behind them just makes my heart skip a beat.

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  27. It will reach out and touch you from wherever we want. It's like F18 pilots or bombers. You won't know they're there until they're there. And so for artillery, I really honestly didn't think artillery would be a fit for me. I didn't know much about it. They were just like, these are what you can pick from. And I was like, I'll go here. In World War II, they used much closer artillery. So we're called the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery because the Queen made us royal. Canadian artillery, and we shoot these rounds when you're in training, you shoot smaller ammunition. They're about 40 pounds. They go, I'm going to get this wrong, 20K, 20 kilometers, or whatever that is in your.

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  28. Yeah, they just like there was no mandate at which they said you can't be, but they said, you know, we don't want to put you through training that you're going to fail out of and then have to recourse you and then find a new job for you. And they want to try to, if this is what you're going in for, they want to have you follow through that path. So then there was armored, which are your tanks. So that's your movie like fury where your tank battles in, which we don't really do anymore, but you're rolling around in tanks. You got guys in the back, you're a driver, you're a turret gunner, which I would have enjoyed. But the idea of being in a closed metal box, something about it made me panic. So I was like, maybe not for me.

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  29. At the time, I was about 103, and I'm five foot, like on a, if you roll my back out, like I really try. I'm five foot. At the time, though, I think my license said 411.

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  30. Okay, so let's detail this then So, infantry is your frontline door kicking. Know blasting the door open, running, and get the fuck on the ground. They're the guys that, you know, the double tap you in the face and they show up in the middle of the night and put a barrel in your head. Like those are the guys that are sleeping in the trenches, that are eating MREs, who are being shot at, who are being blown up, who are doing the dirty work and not sleeping and carrying the 100-pound pack and are side-by-side with your buddies in the trenches. I wanted that. They said it was too small for that. So then if

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  31. Yeah, but that wasn't a thought in my mind at the time. My idea was if I was going to do this and I was going to put myself through the bullshit and the training and all of the hell and the pushups and the screamed at, I wanted to do something that I know was actually going to be affecting something. And what I knew was making change or affecting or on the front lines was infantry, artillery, or armored. So I was like one of those.

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  32. The most part, because I figured out at least now I figured out what parts I could, like what feeling I can trust and which one I can't, which ones I anxiety versus which one's my actual intuition talking.

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  33. And so I just got up and talked to her and just started talking to her. And she didn't say, like, I don't remember exactly her words, but she served. She was one of the first females to fly and, you know, all of these kind of things that stuck in my head. And we just kind of kept talking and I missed my stop. And then I finished talking to her and I got back on the bus and went back to the college and walked into my small apartment where I had two roommates. These two guys I went to high school with. One of them went to high school with. One was from out of town. And I just didn't like what I was, I wasn't happy. I wasn't doing what I wanted to do. And I didn't know what I wanted to do truthfully. Something just said. Why don't you join the army? Like in myself, my self talk was like, let's just join the military, let's do it.

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  34. It's our capital and it's really small. And so I went, but I took the bus and I was on the bus back to Algonquin. And I met a lady who was like a World War II vet really old lady. She had an Air Force uniform on and just like this Rowa medals. I mean, I think you can tell by our limited to extreme interactions we've had over the short period of time. I'm curious and I'll just ask you.

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  35. It was 17 acres of forest, and they just we had two turkeys that used to walk up and down the driveway every day. We had bears in there. Nobody bothered them. And so there was no aspect of like, I want to go kill shit. That was not like a thing. I had no idea. I wanted to take anybody off the face of the earth or anything. I went to school and because I'm a history person, my parents has always made it. Really important that remembrance day is the thing in our life. So that's Veterans Day for You, so it's November 11th. And you go, you honor, I don't care if you don't want to go. I don't care if it's raining. You go. And so I went to the Remembrance Day ceremony in Ottawa that year, which was, it's our capital, which is.

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  36. My parents told me from an early age they always figured I would either be a cop, I would do, they didn't think military, but they thought it would be like a type A personality, possibly carry a gun situation. And I'd never hunted before. We'd never had guns in our house. I was never exposed to weapons of any kind. If anything, it was the opposite. We just, all the hunters on the property, like all the deer would come to our property and all the hunters would be, no, I'm not, my mom would put salt looks out so that they wouldn't get killed.

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  37. High school, I think it was for me. I finished high school at 17. I moved away and went to college and went to Algonquin College because I wasn't smart enough to get into Ottawa U. So I was like, well, Algonquin she is. I just wanted to play sports. And frankly, I wanted away from my small town that I was living in. I went through like a bad high school breakup as a kid. And, you know, that where you think that's like the love of your life and you just can't bear to be anywhere near anybody. And so I moved away as fast as I possibly could. And I didn't grasp it still at that point.

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  38. Good question. I've never thought about it that in depth. I mean, I've done 12 years of therapy. You think that would have come up, Dr. Passy? But apparently not. We'll work on it though.

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  39. Remember them saying, like, a lot of people aren't coming to school, but it was in particular. I think parents were afraid once it got out that it was of a certain group. They were afraid for their own kids. And fair enough, I mean, you never know, you don't know. I knew it impacted me enough that I did write. I remember the school was doing a memorial for it. And I remember they asked, I wrote a poem. And a reporter was there, and I read it on air. That's like I remember, like, it was like, it was a very short one, but I remember I wanted to do something, but I didn't know why or for what reason. I just knew I wanted to do something to honor it, but I couldn't grasp why.

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  40. Yeah, so he would get a BP, he would go to a payphone to call us. He was fine. And I remember my mom being like really upset and I couldn't quite grasp why she was so upset. I knew something really bad had happened. It's when I then saw the second plane go into the tower. And I remember her just like the stereotypical like hand over her mouth and she just felt sick and she just was so confused. And I knew it was bad, but I didn't fully grasp it. We went to school that day and they had talked about it briefly. You could hear the teachers kind of reminiscing about it. There was a point that week that all of a sudden all of the children who were from a Middle Eastern family were not the school.

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  41. Not initially. I remember it really vividly. I have a decent memory for certain things, it seems like. Stuff like that I stick with really well. I remember watching it. I was sitting on the couch and my mom. My mom called my dad because my parents are truck drivers. So my dad was on the road, if I'm not mistaken, and he would go in and out of cities all the time. And I think he was on the east coast. My mom was like a little panicky. So she tried to get a hold of him on the, I think she, at the time it was like beepers.

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  42. Used to eat, sleep, and breathe whatever that man said from four years old on. I lived with my coaches at a point so I could train that much. I helped look out for their daughter. I was at the club 24-7. The idea that somebody could do something like that, yeah, that really messed me up.

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  43. A mix of both. I was this was right after not too long after my coach went to prison for statutory rape. And that was like how you talk about Park talking about how that was like she knew love because of that person. That person was like a god to me. And so when that happened, I was just an angry individual from that point on. So there was competition and aggression mixed in there.

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  44. I didn't get knocked out very often. I didn't really. When I was younger in Taekwondo, I was really good. I only lost a handful of times. So when I did lose, that was bad. But I never had like a broken nose or a lot of blood on my face. Like nothing like that really. So nothing freaked me out too much.

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  45. She's supportive of everything. She didn't miss a game. She didn't miss in anything. And I stood up and I kind of turned around and we had already had a girl break her nose that day. So she was on the sideline with her nose sideways and just bloody. My mom was like, I'll take her to the emergency after once the game's over. And so I turned around and looked at her and she just, she almost vomited on the spot. And I was like, what's wrong? She's like, don't move your eyelids off. I'm like, but I can see like I was trying to blink. But like it was just down, so I could just constantly see. She's like, we're just gonna go to the emergency. We're just gonna go there now. There's lots of it, but I couldn't really tell Yeah, I'm sure we did check on.

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  46. Ah, there it is. He gets it. You see, he's not What I was saying though to you was that. We did an exhibition game, and the team ahead was winning. Was winning, which was annoying. And so there was an opportunity to take out a girl that was going one end of the field to the other. And she just kept hitting tries left, right, and center. She was fast. So I figured if I just aimed her up, like she's a target and I just run full force at her because she was really, she was a tall individual. If I just, if I do that, I'll take her out of the knees. So I did that. But what that resulted in was she put her tooth through her mouth guard and knocked out and didn't just, she just stayed there. But when I stood up, I tore the right eyelid off and it was hanging from the inner corner. My mom was there because mom was my mom's my biggest fan.

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  47. Yeah, I was good at rugby. I played that for six years, I guess you could say, total. I think the worst injury I ever end up having was I tore my right eyelid off. We were doing an exhibition game. I don't do exhibition games well. I don't do like for fun well. I don't do like...

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  48. I was an incredible. I was an incredible shit. It was the best shape of my life. Okay with that. It's okay. You know what? I used to do situps. Like, no, I would do sit ups in the morning when I was little until I could see. Like, I always had a six pack because all I did was train. But like if I couldn't like see it, I would just sit there morning cartoons and just do sit-ups. And my mom and dad thought that was like normal acceptable behavior.

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  49. Like that style better, though. I think we need harder people to be harder. I think it's acceptable and okay to say that our soldiers need to have a harder mindset, a stronger mindset, a better mentality and mental health support going into the service and a harder body because I know when you go to the US, I've also encountered plenty of soldiers that are 600 pounds. What are you going to do?

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  50. Yeah, oh fuck, here we go. It's starting. It started. Awesome. So Canada does these ones where it's like it'll have a bunch of like soldiers doing movements and then they'll like snip it together really quick. It'll be like a Navy one and a guy jumping out of a plane and then it'll be like an artillery and then like an armored and it'll be like join the Canadian forces today. And like that's like their videos. So it's like very marketable, very palatable to Canadians who don't really want war and who don't really acknowledge their military in the first place and do everything they can to make sure that vets don't get any support when they come home. So I can see why that one is acceptable. What Russia did was meant to be more of an intimidation tactic in my opinion.

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