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Liv Boeree

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“The thing that they all come back and say is like, well, you need to figure out what your thing is. You know, you need to narrow down what your thing is and then just follow that, have a sort of a formula because that's what people want. They want to know that they're coming back to the same thing. And that's the advice on YouTube, Twitter, you name it. And that's why, and the trouble with that is that it's a complexity reduction. And generally speaking, complexity reduction is bad. It's making things an oversimplification. Not that simplification is a bad thing, but when you're trying to”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very good question. I mean, well, I know what it shouldn't do. It shouldn't try and like right now, you know, one of the, I was talking to like a social media expert recently because I was like, Oh, yeah, there are like agencies out there that you can outsource because I'm thinking about working with one to like. So I want to start a podcast.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think. And I think that extends to things like art as well. Like, there's something immeasurable about it. There's something we can't break down to a narrow metric.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's this entirety of it that is there's these immeasurable qualities. It's like almost like a qualia of it that's both like it walks this fine line between pattern. Well, it's got lots of patternicity, but it's not overly predictable. Again, it walks this fine line between order and chaos. It's a very highly complex system. It's evolving over time. The definition of a complex versus, and this is another schmackenberger thing, you know, a complex versus a complicated system. A complicated system can be sort of broken down into bits, understood, and then put back together. A complex system is kind of like a black box. It does all this crazy stuff, but if you take it apart, you can't put it back together again because there's all these intricacies. And also very importantly, some of the parts, sorry, the sum of the whole is much greater than the sum of the parts. And that's where the beauty lies.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, to me, I think something is beautiful when It can't be reduced down to easy metrics. If you think of a tree, what is it about a tree, like a big ancient, beautiful tree, right? What is it about it that we find so beautiful? It's not, you know, the... What the sweetness of its fruit or the value of its lumber, it's”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly. It's a meme. I think it's an example of a good meme. And I'm open, I'd love to hear feedback from people if they think it's, you know, they have a better idea or it's not, you know, but it's the direction of meme that we need to spread, this idea of like, look for the win-wins in life.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We'll be in a more interesting universe if we have one that has both pure cooperation, you know, lots of cooperation and some pockets of competition and one that's purely cooperation entirely. Like it's good to have some little zero sumness bits, but I don't know that fully and I'm not qualified as a philosopher to know that.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. Well, it's recognizing the value of competition in and of itself. It's not like about winning. It's about you enjoying the process of having a competition and not knowing whether you're going to win or lose this little thing. But then also being aware that, you know, what's the boundary? How big do I want competition to be? Because one of the reasons why Mollock is doing so well now in our civilization is because we haven't been able to ring fence competition. And so it's just having all these negative externalities. And we've completely lost control of it. I think my guesses are now we're getting really like metaphysical technically but I think”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hyper focused on its one goal, you must win. So win-win is kind of actually like these colors. It's like purple, turquoise. Loves games too. It loves a little bit of healthy competition, but constrained, kind of like before, like knows how to ring fence zero-sum competition into just the right amount whereby its externalities can be controlled and kept positive. And then beyond that, it also loves cooperation, coordination, love, all these other things. But it's also kind of like mischievous, like, you know, it will have a good time. It's not like kind of like boring, you know, like, oh, God, it's, it almost had to have fun. It can get like, it can get down. But ultimately, it's unbelievably wise. And it just wants the game to keep going. And I call it win-win.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Lose, everyone ends up worse off So I was like, well, what's the opposite of that? It's win win. And I was thinking for ages, what's a good name for this character? And then the more I was like, okay, well, don't try and, you know, think through it logically. What's the vibe of win-win? And to me, like in my mind, Molloch is like, and I dress as it in the video, like it's red and black, it's kind of like very”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Twain. Sorry, totally rude interruptions for me. No, it's fine. So not all X risks. So like an asteroid technically isn't because it's, you know, it's just like this one big external thing. It's not like a competition thing going on. But, you know, synthetic biology, you know bioweapons, that's one because everyone's incentivized to build even for defense, you know, bad viruses, you know, just to threaten someone else, et cetera, or AI technically the race to AGI is kind of potentially a molecule situation. But yeah, so if molec is this like generator function that's driving all of these issues over the coming century that might wipe us out, what's the inverse? And so far what I've gotten to is this character that I want to put out there called win-win. Because Mollik is the god of lose-lose, ultimately. It masquerades as the god of win-lose, but in reality it's lose.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, great question. That's where I've been working on this series that's been driving me insane for the last year and a half. I did the first one a year ago. I can't believe it's nearly been a year. The second one, hopefully we'll be coming out in like a month. And my goal at the end of the series is to like present, because basically I'm painting the picture of what Moloch is and how it's affecting almost all these issues in our society and how it's driving. It's like kind of the generator function, as people describe it, of existential risk. And then at the end of that.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They have that god's eye view, at least. They have the ability to create laws and rules that force coordination, which stops Moloch. But then you're vulnerable to that dictator getting infected with some kind of psychopathy type thing.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But then you still need the ability to coordinate because that's the issue when if something is too, you know, that's really, to me, like the culture wars is the bigger war we're dealing with is actually between I don't want even the term is for it, but like centralization versus decentralization, that's the tension we're seeing. And the trouble is if you have a fully centralized thing, then you're at risk of tyranny, you know, Stalin type things can happen or completely distributed. Now you're at risk of complete anarchy and chaos where you can't even coordinate on when there's a pandemic or anything like that. So it's like, what is the right balance to strike between these two? Structures”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so we thought, but you know, I agree with you that that is a thing that should be considered, but there is, again, everyone, the road to hell is paved in good intentions. And this is, there's always unforeseen circumstances, outcomes, externalities of you trying to adopt a thing, even if you do it in the very best of faith.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know there's, I mean, there's truth to fight fire with fire. It's like, but how you always have to be careful whenever you create, again, like Moloch is very tricky.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I hope so. That said, we are now in the era of, just as we have weapons of mass destruction with nuclear weapons, you know, that can break the whole playing field. We now are developing weapons of informational mass destruction, information weapons, you know, WMDs that basically can be used for propaganda or just manipulating people however they, you know, is needed, whether that's through dumb TikTok videos or there are significant resources being put in. And I don't mean to sound like too doom and gloom, but there are bad actors out there. That's the thing. There are plenty of good actors within the system who are just trying to stay afloat in the game. So effectively doing molecule things. But then on top of that, we have actual bad actors who are intentionally trying to manipulate the Other side into doing things”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What it is optimizing for is engagement, and it happens to be that engagement is, well, propaganda. I mean, it just sounds like everything is putting more and more things being put through this propagandist lens of winning whatever the war is in question, whether it's the culture war or the Ukraine war.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Whereas, like, if someone's disgusted or fearful, they actually tend to then be like, I don't want to deal with this. So they're less likely to actually engage and share it and so on. They're just going to be like, whereas if they're enraged by a thing, well, now that triggers all the old tribalism emotions. And so that's how then things get sort of spread, you know, much more easily. They out-compete all the other memes in the ecosystem. And so this attention economy, the wheels that make it go around is rage. I did a, you know, a tweet with regaging against the machine is that the machine has learned to feed off rage because it is feeding off our rage. That's the thing that's now keeping it going. So the more we get angry, the worse it gets.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the way the best emotion for getting attention, because it's not just about attention on the internet, it's engagement. That's the key thing, right? In order for something to go viral, you need people to actually engage with it. They need to comment or retweet or whatever. And of all the emotions that, you know, there's like seven classic shared emotions that studies have found that all humans, even from like previously uncontacted tribes have. Some of those are negative, you know, like sadness, disgust, anger, et cetera, some are positive happiness, excitement, and so on. The one that happens to be the most useful for the internet is anger, because anger is such an active emotion. If you want people to engage, if someone's scared, and I'm not just like talking out my ass here, there are studies here that have looked into this.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's whatever, yeah, all everyone is trying to do within the system is just maximize whatever gets them the most attention because they're just trying to make money so they can keep their thing going, right?”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Then, if you zoom out, it's really like mollock that's pulling the strings because the only thing that benefits from this in the end, you know, like our information ecosystem is breaking down. You look at the state of the US. We're in a civil war. It's just not a physical war. It's an information war. And people are becoming more fractured in terms of what their actual shared reality is. Like truly an extreme left person, an extreme right person, like they literally live in different worlds in their minds at this point. And it's getting more and more amplified. And this force is like razor blade pushing through everything. It doesn't matter how innocuous a topic is, it will find a way to split into this bifurcated cultural war. And it's fucking terrifying.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There is wisdom in that because Memes have driven history. We are a cultural species. That's what sets us apart from chimpanzees and everything else. We have the ability to learn and evolve through culture as opposed to biology or like, you know, classic physical constraints. And that means culture is incredibly powerful. And we can create and become victim to very bad memes or very good ones. But we do have some agency over which memes, but not only put out there, but we also subscribe to. So I think we need to take that approach. We also need to, you know, because I don't want I'm making this video right now called the attention wars, which is about how Moloch, like the media machine is this mollock machine. Well, is this kind of like blind dumb thing where everyone is optimizing for engagement in order to win their share of the attention pie?”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think we need to be doing all of the above. I think we need to be thinking hard about what are the kind of positive healthy memes. As Elon said, he who controls the memes controls the universe. I think he did. But there's truth to that.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We need the other way around. We need it so we need to figure out what are the good memes, what are the good values that we think we need to optimize for that, like makes people happy and healthy and keeps society as robust and safe as possible, then figure out what the social structure around those should be. And only then do we figure out technology. But we're doing it the other way around. as much as I love In many ways the culture of Silicon Valley and like, you know, I do think that technology, I don't want to knock it. It's done so many wonderful things for us. Same with capitalism. There are, we have to be honest with ourselves. We're getting to a point where we are losing control of this very powerful machine that we have created.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Technology is not about values neutral thing. People think, I used to always think this myself. It's like this naive view that, oh, technology is completely neutral. It's just the humans that either make it good or bad. No, to the point we're at now, the technology that we are creating, they are social technologies. They literally dictate how humans now form social groups and so on beyond that. And beyond that, it also then, that gives rise to like the memes that we then like coalesce around. And that, you know, if you have the stack that way where it's technology driving social interaction, which then drives memetic culture and which ideas become popular, that's Moloch.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think a big part of this as well is people, there's this philosophy particularly in Silicon Valley of, well, techno-optimism, technology will solve all our issues. And there's a steel man argument to that, where, yes, technology has solved a lot of problems. But it can also a double edged sword, particularly as technology gets more and more powerful. And we've now got big data and we're able to do all kinds of psychological manipulation with it and so on.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Bring all this complexity down into very small metrics such as number of likes, number of retweets, whatever the algorithm optimizes for. That is a guaranteed recipe for this stuff to go wrong and become a race to the bottom.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So everyone's got this bad incentive of using, as you called it, the clickbait industrial complex. That's a very molecule system because everyone is now using worse and worse tactics in order to try and win this attention game. Yeah, so ideally, these companies would have had enough slack in the beginning in order to run these experiments to see, okay, what are the ways this could possibly go wrong for people? What are the ways that Mollock, they should be aware of this concept of Moloch and realize that whenever you have a highly competitive multi-agent system, which social media is a classic example of, millions of agents all trying to compete for likes and so on, and you try and...”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There aren't. That's the problem. And it's difficult because when you're starting up a social media company, you know, you're aware that you've got investors to please bills to pay. There's only so much R&D you can afford to do. You've got all these incredible pressures, bad incentives to get on and just build your thing as quickly as possible and start making money. And I don't think anyone intended when they built these social media platforms. And just to like preface it. So the reason why social media is relevant because it's a very good example of everyone these days is optimizing for clicks, whether it's the social media platforms themselves, because every click gets more impressions and impressions pay for they get advertising dollars or whether it's individual influences or, you know, whether it's a New York Times or whoever, they're trying to get their story to go viral.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ideally, that would have been great if Mark Zuckerberg and Jack and all that, you know, the Twitter founders and everyone, if they had at least just run a few simulations of how their algorithms were, you know, different types of algorithms would turn out for society, that would have been great.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly that. It's an emergent phenomena. It's a force of game theory. It's a force of bad incentives on a multi-agent system where you've got prisoners' dilemma is technically a kind of molecule system as well, but it's just a two-player thing. But another word for molecules is multipolar trap, where basically you just got a lot of different people all competing for some kind of prize. It would be better if everyone didn't do this one shitty strategy. But because that strategy gives you a short-term advantage, everyone's incentivized to do it. And so everyone ends up doing it.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, yeah, it's Exactly. These short term incentives to do this thing that either sacrifices your integrity or something else in order to stay competitive, which on aggregate creates this sort of race to the bottom spiral where everyone else ends up in a situation which is worse off than if they hadn't started than they were before. Kind of like if at a football stadium like the system is so badly designed, a competitive system of like everyone sitting and having a view that if someone at the very front stands up to get an even better view, it forces everyone else behind to adopt that same strategy just to get to where they were before. But now everyone's stuck standing up. So you need this like top-down godsey coordination to make it go back to the better state. But from within the system, you can't actually do that. So that's kind of what this mollock thing is. It's this thing that makes people sacrifice values in order to optimize for winning the.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As technology gets better, more makeup techniques come along. And then more recently, these beauty filters, where at the touch of a button, it makes your face look absolutely incredible compared to your natural face. These technologies come along. Everyone is incentivized to that short-term strategy. On net, it's bad for everyone because now everyone is kind of feeling like they have to use these things. And these things, like they make you, like, the reason why I talked about them in this video is because I noticed it myself. I was trying to grow my Instagram for a while. I've given up on it now. But I noticed these filters, how good they made me look. And I'm like, well, I know that everyone else is kind of doing it.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, anyway, so he writes this piece, Meditations on Moloch, and basically he analyzes the poem and he's like, okay, so it seems to be something relating to where competition goes wrong. And, you know, Mollock. And if you look at almost everything that sort of goes wrong in our society, it's that same process. So with the Instagram beauty filters thing, if you're trying to become a famous Instagram model, you are incentivized to post the hottest pictures of yourself that you can. You're trying to play that game. There's a lot of hot women on Instagram. How do you compete against them? You post really hot pictures and that's how you get more likes.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Literally, I think it might be my favorite piece of writing of all time. It's called Meditations on Moloch. Everyone must go read it. It's a blog, yes. We can link to it in the show notes or something, right? No, don't.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Great in, but then the protagonist goes underground into the sewers and sees that the city is run by this machine. And this machine basically would just kill the workers all the time because it was just so hard to keep it running. They were always dying. So there's all this suffering that was required in order to keep the city going. And then the protagonist has this vision that this machine is actually this demon mollock. So again, it's like the sort of like mechanistic consumption of humans in order to get more power. And then Alan Ginsberg wrote a poem in the 60s, which incredible poem called Howell about this thing Mollock. And a lot of people sort of quite understandably take the interpretation of that that he's talking about capitalism. But then the sort of pista resistance that's moved Mollock into this idea of game theory was Scott Alexander of Slate Star Codex wrote this incredible one.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Instagram beauty filters very niche. I wanted to start off small. Moloch was originally Coined as well, so apparently back in the Canaanite times, it was to say ancient Carthaginian, I can never say it, Carthaginian, somewhere around 300 BC or 200 AD, I don't know, there was supposedly this death cult who would sacrifice their children to this awful demon god thing they called Moloch in order to get power to win wars. So a really dark, horrible things and it was literally like about child sacrifice, whether they actually existed or not, we don't know. But in mythology, they did. And this god that they worshipped was this thing called Moloch. And then, I don't know, it seemed like it was kind of quiet throughout history in terms of mythology beyond that until this movie Metropolis in 1927 talked about this, you see that there was this incredible futuristic city that everyone was living.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It delays the Malthusian trap. It's a way to keep the playing field, to make the playing field get larger so that it can accommodate more of our stuff, more of us. And that's a good thing. But I don't know if it fully solves this issue of, well, this thing called Moloch, which we haven't talked about yet, which is basically, I call it the god of unhealthy competition”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you level up, you know, like us becoming multiplanetary would be a level up, or us figuring out how to upload our consciousnesses to the thing that would probably be a leveling up. Spiritually, you know, humanity becoming more combined and less adversarial and bloodthirsty and us becoming a little bit more enlightened. That would be a leveling up. There's many different frames to it, whether it's physical, you know, digital or like metaphysical.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the universe and the goal of the game is to figure out either how to beat it, how to get out of it. Maybe this universe is an escape room, like a giant escape room. And the goal is to figure out, put all the pieces of puzzle, figure out how it works in order to unlock this hyper-dimensional key and get out beyond what it is.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know. Just having a little bit of faith that there is something else out there that might be interested in our outcome is, I think, an essential thing, actually, for people to find. A, because it creates commonality between, it's something we can all share and like it is uniquely humbling of all of us to an extent. It's like a common objective. But B, it gives people that little bit of reserve, you know, when things get really dark. And I do think things are going to get pretty dark over the next few years. But it gives that to think that there's something out there that actually wants our game to keep going. I keep calling it the game, you know, it's a thing C and I recall it the game.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's a field that is worth studying of how the stories we tell to ourselves, even if they are actually false. And even if we suspect they might be false, how it's better to sort of have that little bit of faith. Like value in faith, I think, actually. And that's partly another thing that's now led me to explore the concept of God, whether you want to call it a simulator, the classic theological thing. I think if we're all elucidating to the same thing. Now, I don't know. I'm not saying, you know, because obviously the Christian god is like, you know, all benevolent, endless love. The simulation, at least one of the simulation hypotheses is like, as you said, like a teenager in its bedroom who doesn't really care, doesn't give a shit how about the individuals within there. It just like wants to see how this thing plays out because it's curious and it could turn it off like that. We're on the sort of psychopathy to benevolent spectrum got it.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Magnus Carlson, right? If he, I'm sure from a young age, he knew he was very talented. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was also had something in him to, well, actually, maybe he was a bad example because he truly is the world's greatest, but someone who was unclear whether they were going to be the world's greatest, but ended up doing extremely well because they had this innate deep self-confidence, this like even overblown idea of how good their relative skill level is, that gave them the confidence to then pursue this thing. with the kind of focus and dedication that it requires to excel in whatever it is you're trying to do, you know? And so there are these useful. The classic sort of rationalist community because”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, exactly. And whether it was It's this idea of useful fictions. So again, going through the classic rationalist training of Les Wrong, where it's like you want your map, you know, the image you have of the world in your head to as accurately match up with how the world actually is. You want the map and the territory to perfectly align as, you know, you want it to be as an accurate representation as possible. I don't know if I fully subscribe to that anymore, having now had these moments of feeling of something either bigger or just actually just being overconfident. There is value in overconfidence sometimes. If you would take...”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is a thing I think everybody wrestles with to an extent, right? We are truly the protagonists in our own lives. And so it's a natural bias, human bias, to feel special. And I think, and in some ways we are special. Every single person is special because you are the universe does, the world literally does revolve around you. That's the thing in some respect. Of course, if you then zoom out and take the amalgam of everyone's experiences, then no, it doesn't. So there is this shared sort of objective reality. But sorry, this objective reality that is shared, but then there's also this subjective reality, which is truly unique to you. And I think both of those things coexist. And it's not like one is correct and one isn't. And again, anyone who's like, oh no, your lived experience is everything versus your lived experience is nothing. No, it's a blend between these two things. They can exist concurrently.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it was, and what was interesting was that after that, then I didn't obviously win a major tournament for quite a long time. And it left, that was actually another sort of dark period because I had this incredible, like the highs of winning that, you know, just on a like material level were insane winning the money. I was on the front page of newspapers because there was like this girl that came out of nowhere and won this big thing. And so again, like sort of chasing that feeling was difficult. But then on top of that, there was this feeling of like almost being touched by something bigger that was like awesome.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Honestly, it felt like that, it did actually feel a little bit like that, but it's been 12 years now. I've retold a story many times. Like, I don't even know how much I can trust my memory.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it did. It definitely did. I remember then feeling this sort of, well, although I remember then on day one, I then went and lost half my stack quite early on. And I remember thinking like, oh, well, that was bullshit, you know, what kind of premonition is this? Thinking, oh, I'm out. But, you know, I managed to keep it together and recover. And then just went like pretty perfectly from then on. And either way, it definitely instilled me with this confidence. And I don't want to, I can't put an explanation, was it some huge, extra supernatural thing driving me? Or was it just my own self-confidence and so on that just made me make the right decisions? I don't know. And I'm not going to put a frame on it.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Six days later, I win the fucking tournament out of 1,200 people. I don't know how to explain it. Okay, yes, maybe I have that feeling before every time I play. And it's just that I happen to, you know, because I won the tournament, I retroactively remembered it.”
2022-08-24 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #314 – Liv Boeree: Poker, Game Theory, AI, Simulation, Aliens & Existential Risk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source