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  1. “Yeah, and told them this is where he is. His name is Joseph Carter You know, this is where he is, they watch it, they grab me, they arrest me, they bring me downtown.”

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  2. “Both my guns when I was placed on probation. I've never had one since. I've never touched a gun since. But they use that to say, you know, they said, oh, he had a concealed weapon for him. Okay, well, then he's armed and dangerous. Like there's these little things and think they're telling her, read this article. Look, he forces girls to fall in love with them. Then that's what she's going to do, your friend. So she negotiated, also, I think she got 10,000. I think it was just embarrassing. I'm ashamed that she got $10,000.”

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  3. “I mean, based on what she saw Based on what the secret service told her, And the articles that she's reading, I'm a bad guy. I mean, I'm a bad guy in general, right? So I don't deserve loyalty. I don't think so. I'm ripping people off. And she's thinking that her friend is in danger. The FBI is saying, I have a weapon. He's dangerous. He's got a weapon. We believe he's armed and dangerous. When I was in Florida, I had a concealed weapons permit. But I gotten rid of.”

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  4. “Trina goes, okay, I'll cash the checks. And what she does instead is she calls the secret service. They watch my house for three days. I come home one day. They pull the cars up and they arrest me. So it's a little bit longer than that, but that's shorter. That's a short version of me getting arrested. And I've probably skipped over a whole.”

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  5. “I'm asking guys, laborers, guys that I work with, my general contractor, my real estate agent, hey man, can you cash this check for six grand? Nobody says no. Everybody, yeah, no problem, no problem. A few guys like, yeah, man, if you could be 10%, yeah, I'll give you 10%. So that's happening. We're pulling out cash. Amanda gives Trina a bunch of checks and asks her to cash them. That sparks a conversation. That's like what it was happening. She confides in. This point, by the way, Amanda knows who I am. So by this point, she's actually came across the letter that I wrote to my parents when I left Tampa. So she's figured out who I am. She tells Trina his name's Matt Cawks. Lines coming out, we're leaving. We got to get a bunch of cash.”

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  6. “Like, yeah, I gotta go. I can't stay here. I got to get out of the country. So I was going to go to Really started doing research, and Amanda ended up saying Australia. Australia at the time, and I don't know how it is now, but at the time, if you went to Australia with like $100,000 and a business plan, you could become a permanent resident alien. You can't vote, but you can buy property. You can open a business, but you can't get a job. And they didn't require a fingerprint. So there's no criminal background check. Now, if you wanted to be a citizen, you have to get an FBI criminal background check. Like I said, no, I'm good. So I was like, wow, I can go there and start a business. And I'm going to start show up with a couple million. So what we do is we start refinancing houses. We'll start pulling out money as quick as we can.”

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  7. “Going to be released in a month or so. So I'm terrified. At this point, I've been on the run three years, and I'm like, there's lots of things I could care less about. Fortune, I don't know anybody that reads Fortune. Bloomberg, come on. I hang out with, I'm hanging out with contractors and laborers. And, you know, I'm not hanging out with these guys. So, you know, local news, who cares? Even local news channels, you know, I don't care. dateline There weren't 400 channels back then, you know, so dateline comes out even if you don't see it the first time they're going to rerun it in three months or six months or 10 years from now they might rerun it again. My face is going to be on it. So I could be perfectly fine five years from now and one day the barista that I go to every other day looks at date line and goes, oh my God, that's Mr. Johnson or that's Mr. Tomis or whatever. So the point is that I was.”

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  8. “And what ends up happening is we end up going, you know, and listen, Amanda and I, we've gone on, we've gone to Greece, Italy. Croatia, we're going on multiple trips. And when we just gotten back from like a 10-day cruise of the Greek Isles. And Get home and Amanda goes online and there's a blog about date line about one of their new specials called The Thief of Hearts. And that's me. Apparently I'm the Thief of Hearts. And I'm apparently going around and I'm, and it's based on Rebecca's Becky's story that I'm wooing women to commit fraud, stealing all the money, and then leaving them to hold the bag. They interviewed her. They're interviewing multiple people, multiple in my case. They put together an episode.”

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  9. “And her mother through multiple conversations, one conversation being, mom, I'm doing fine. I can't tell you where I am, you know, exactly, but I'm in Houston, Texas. I'm fine. Next one, six months later, I enrolled in beauty school. Houston, Texas Beauty School, how many are there? And her mom bipolar. I just want to see my daughter. I'm going to call the secret service. I'm doing the right thing. And honestly, she is doing anything so.”

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  10. “Oh, because she was interviewed by Fortune Magazine, and it was horrendous. The article is horrendous. He was abusive. He's a Don Juan that forced me to fall in love with him, commit mortgage fraud, and then took all the money and left. By the way, they found like 40 or 50 grand on her and maybe another 30 or 40 in her bank account and no other money. the other money so anyway and she was by the way she got caught she was in communication with her family So she's talking to her mom”

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  11. “Her name was Rebecca Hickey. She went by Becca. So she's Rebecca Hickey, which is, you know, she's got a Texas driver's license, the whole thing. And they're screaming at her. And they put her in the car and they're driving the whole way. She was the guy, the secret service agent told me, 45 minutes. She's telling us, you're losing your job, bro. You're losing. I mean, he's like, I couldn't believe it. Like we've got pictures of her. We're like, this is you. She's like. That's not me. Are you insane? Look at that chubby little thing. Would not budge till they actually put her hand on the scanner. And she goes, okay, I'm Rebecca Halk. What do you need? They're like, where's Matt Cox? She's like, I have no idea that fucker left me like a year ago. So”

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  12. “Here's what when I say gangster, when she gets caught. They come in, she's in the middle of beauty school. She's paid for beauty school. She's going through beauty school. She's going to open like a salon or something. So she's in there cutting hair in a class, you know, on a mannequin and all of a sudden like five or six secret service agents come in, guns drawn screaming, get on the ground, get on the ground. She said, everybody dropped the ground. She said, I'm sitting there with scissors going. They grab her, they handcuff her, they bring her in. And the whole time, now at that point, she was Rebecca, or she was.”

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  13. “Yeah. Or actual relationship. No, it's more like she's coming over a couple times a week. So we've got a ton going on. So while this is happening, I end up coming out in like several magazines. So I'm thinking this whole thing's dying down, but it's not dying down because now I just got caught and handcuffed in a bank, walked out of the police station, outran Marshalls. Although that part, the Marshall thing was never in the papers. But getting caught and handcuffed in the bank, when that hit the papers, that's everywhere, bro. That's huge. You know, suddenly Chicago Tribune's running a series, the fugitives. I'm in Bloomberg Business Week. They run an article article called Sharks in the Housing Pool. Then you've got Fortune magazine comes out with a thing because by now, guess what? Becky's been caught.”

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  14. “We start seeing a friend of hers. So this other girl comes in the picture. Her name's Trina. And Trina is... Semi lesbian”

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  15. “Everything's fine. And she was like, okay, keep in mind too, this girl, you owe your car is broken or your car's not doing well, take it and trade it in. We'll go get you another car. We'll go get you, you know, an infinity, you know, FX or whatever, you know, $55,000, $60,000 vehicle. She's driving the equivalent of a beat up old Nova. You want to go on vacation? We'll go on vacation. You want to do this? You want to do that? So, you know, we're buying houses. We're renovating houses. We're building brand new houses. We're buying lots. Like she's like in the middle of this like, holy Jesus. There's hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank in our bank account. Her bank account. I open up a corporation in her name. She's opening up bank accounts. She's got web, there's websites. It's a lot. And while this is happening,”

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  16. “And I, you kn But she didn't know my name. She was like, she. And I told her, I said, Look, if you start digging, if you find out my name, like I'll leave, like there's certain things that catch you staying in contact with people that you know. That's how you get caught. Going back to see people, that's how you get caught, telling people who you are, that's how you get caught. And I was like, so. I'm Jose O'Car”

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  17. “This is what's happening. This is where I'm at. This has been months into the relationship. This is, or I'd say maybe a month or two in. But, you know, she was just too inquisitive. And oh, I know what it was. She found like $40,000 in cash in my freezer one night. That was another thing that happened. She went to get a popsicle and she opened up the flip to get a popsicle and she opened the wrong one and there was all cash. And she was like, you know, the other day, you know, in this conversation I opened up the popsicle box and there's cash. And I'm like, so I kind of explain it. But I had a feeling she's not going to. She's going to be okay with this, you know”

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  18. “I mean, everybody, you know, people know you like your general contractor, which I met four months before. This guy six months before, this was two months before. She's like, so-and-so, so-and-so, so. And I'm like, right, right. Well, I said, well, she's like, I mean, they've got your name. They've got your, I go, well, that's identity theft. And she was like, what do you mean? I said, well, my name's not, it's not Joseph Carter. What is your name? I go, look, don't even worry about it.”

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  19. “I can go tomorrow and I can deposit it. And I'm like, no, no. I'm like, look, it's fine. Just deposit. So I can get, as soon as it clears, I'll get you a cashier's check. I was like, no, just deposit it and keep it in your bank. It's fine. So she's like. Is going on, you know, and so we have this conversation, and I tell her, look, People are looking for me, who law enforcement, which ones? All of'em. You know, she's like, that doesn't even, for what I go. Mostly bank fraud. And she's like, well, how are they not finding you?”

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  20. “I'm at one point I had a chat cut. I refinanced the house, right? And I had like, I want to say, I'm going to say something like, it might have been $30,000, but let's say 20,000. I had a $20,000 check cut to Amanda Gardner. Because you have to have these checks. You can't have them cut to me. So I would say, hey, there's a second mortgage on there and I provide a second mortgage or I'd provide, you know, I provide different things that I knew. I need names of people to cut these things to. So I had a check cut for whatever. So I remember at dinner one night. This is before she really knows who I am. And I said, hey, I said, oh, and she goes, oh, you had to refine. She goes, how'd that thing go? You're refinanced. I go, oh, thank God you said that. Boom. I said, I need to deposit this, get it checked for $20,000. She's like,”

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  21. “Initially, there was a fabricated version that I owned a mortgage company. My typical story was I owned a mortgage company and I got bought out by household bank. Started doing very well. I got bought out by a household bank. I have a non-compete clause. I ended up with like half a million dollars after paying off all my bills and just decided to kind of travel around the US. And now I'm here and I'm going to start renovating houses But that, you know, you don't call home. Nobody calls you. Your family doesn't call you. You tell stories about your mom, your dad, your brother, your sister, friends. I don't know any of these friends. Never seen any of these friends. They never call you. They never, you know, it's just like, ah, shit. So at some point, I basically just said to her, look.”

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  22. “What she It's odd, right? I have no photographs. Everything I own is brand new. She's like, you don't, there's nothing in this house that's more than four months old or six months old. You have no photographs. You have no internet presence. You have no, you know, it's every stick of clothing is brand new. You don't have old pairs of jeans.”

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  23. “Borrow three and a half million dollars and I'm buying houses now. I'm buying houses, recording the value. I start it all over. I borrow like whatever, three and a half million dollars. I meet a Manda. We move in together. We're buying houses.”

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  24. “That is exactly what it is. Every time I just kept getting more and more emboldened, more and more cocky, arrogant, like they're not going to catch it, I'm too good, you know, which is great until they catch you. And so. I met a girl named Amanda Gardner. Well, what I end up doing is, keep in mind, I've only got 100,000 or so. So I go and I start buying houses in the area, in this area called JC Napier. It's just close to downtown. And I buy these houses and I start, I buy them for like 60, 70,000. And I record the sales at 210, 190, 1225, that sort of thing. Same thing. And I refinanced the house as I start pulling out money. I meet this girl, Amanda Gardner. We hit it off within a few months. She's moved in to move into a house in that area. I renovate a house. We move in there.”

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  25. “And I'm driving A vehicle in the name of the driver's license that I have that was issued by that state. Full coverage insurance. I'm not an idiot. I'm not driving around a stolen car with a broken taillight and a body in the trunk. Like I'm covered. I'm not concerned about the local cops.”

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  26. “Everybody, you know how all these guys say it was horrible. And I was always so concerned and looking over my shoulder. And it wasn't. I wasn't. Keep in mind, I've gotten five or six traffic tickets while on the run. I went to traffic school as someone else. I got so many traffic tickets in his name. I went to traffic school as him. Like if I got pulled over, like, I'm not concerned.”

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  27. “Well, so I appreciate that. So he gave me the keys. Listen, I ordered all of Of Joseph Carter's vital information, right? Like all of his birth certificate, social security card, everything that night. Like a Kinkos or some of the, I forget where, but from one of these places, I went online, you could go online back then, right? Like there wasn't Wi-Fi everywhere. So I ordered the stuff. Shows up a couple days later, I take that information. I go and I get a driver's license. We're talking about within Seven or eight days, I've got a driver's license in his name. I get in that car, Michael Eckert's car. I drive it all the way back to Nashville. I leave it in long-term parking. Get on a plane, fly back to Nashville. Go in and buy myself a brand new car. It wasn't brand new. It was a couple years old. But from like Car Max.”

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  28. “You look like an honest young man. He said, I'll. I think the first month's rent and deposit. He said, Now go get a lease right now. And I said, okay. And I said, Oh, okay, filled out a lease right then, gave me the keys. Like very trusting in that town”

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  29. “As I'm driving, trying to find this big apartment complex, there's a guy putting a sign in the front yard of like a townhouse because several townhouses. And I probably in his 60s pull in, jump out of the car, and I said, hey, is that this for renting? He said, yes, it is. I said, oh, okay. Yeah, can I see it? Sure. I go in, check it out, come back downstairs. It's perfect. Said, listen, I work for a company, you know, manufactured funding group, boom, hand them thing. I said, I've been in Europe for the last, and I forget what I said. I said, England, I had some little town outside of London, you know, whatever, Dexter, you know, London for the past five years. I don't really have any credit, but I said I can put down a double the security deposit or whatever you need. Here's my business card. He looked at me and he looked at my car and he goes,”

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  30. “Then drive through Green Hills. Took them like an hour to get the card. So I'm driving through Green Hills. I'm planning on going to an apartment, but I'm still, I don't have an ID. I don't have anything. Like I'm wondering, what am I going to do? How am I going to get a place to stay? I'm going to stay in a hotel. Like, what am I doing? I'm using an ID that the cops are looking for. So”

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  31. “Oh, is it FedEx? FedEx. Okay. Then it was a FedEx store. So I go in there You give them like 50 bucks or something or 20 bucks or something, they'd give you like 100 business cards. So I get a phone number, a burner phone. I go in there. I make up, oh, I call and get a phone number from the local HQ. I come up with a name manufactured funding group. I've got two phone numbers. I get business cards made with a name. One of the guys named that I surveyed was his actual name was Joseph Marion Carter Jr. I went by Carter. So I get business cards made of Joseph Carter.”

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  32. “Right, because that's what I was in my 30s that I wasn't an old man like I am now. So I survey them, I drive straight to Nashville. To Nash Drive through an area called Green Hills First, when I got to Nashville, I stayed the night, and the next day, I went into, I'm going to say a UPS store. It was actually a Kinko's. They used to be called Kinkos, but.”

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  33. “I'm already in trouble. It's not like they're going to add anything. Although, to be honest, it only got worse because at that point, actually at that point I drive down the road. I stop at a homeless facility. I survey three guys. I'm a mile down the road. Like looking back on, I think, what were you thinking? But there were three homeless guys that were in their early 30s and they were all Caucasian. That's hard to find. So trust me, I've looked spent hours before finding these guys.”

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  34. “It's not like their fingers were at the back of the car. They're holding on, you know, but it was, yeah, if I had waited an extra 20 seconds, yeah, they would have been on my car. They would have been right there at the door.”

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  35. “I thought it was FBI. I ordered the Freedom of Information Act when I got to prison at some point in the future. And it was U.S. Marshals. So”

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  36. “Yeah, I operate. It's funny you say that because the secret service, when they talk to these guys, all the people that they spoke with said the same thing over and over again The guy was a professional. He never seemed upset. He never seemed agitated. He always, he was never in a hurry He, you know, like, but most of the time I wasn't because it wasn't until the police got involved or the law and federal law enforcement got involved that I started really getting anxious. So at that point, I take off. I drive about a mile down the road.”

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  37. “I punch it and I take off. Sounds dramatic. Wasn't that dramatic? I'd already, there was no cars. I knew there was no cars already pulling out. You know, it wasn't like a TJ Hooker where I jumped over the slid across the hood and they didn't catch the car and hang on the back. But, you know, so they're running and I boom hit it.”

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  38. “Maybe they did they like I'm picturing an eviction notice or a three-day notice on my door or something and I'm like okay and then one of them bolts out the back the woman there's a guy and a girl the woman runs out the back he standing there staring at me I get my my Vinti vanilla latte right I get my little I get my free fruit drink So I got my fruit for a drink. I walk out. I get into the car. He follows me. Get in the car. I set everything up. I put my seatbelt on. I'm okay. He's standing there staring at me. I'm thinking something's wrong. Like, what's up? And all of it, and I check to see there's no traffic. I'm good. I'm about to leave. And he starts screaming. He's right here. He's right here. I look in the rearview mirror. There's two guys running towards the back of my car.”

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  39. “I'm like, and they're whispering and pointing. And I remember thinking this is like the fifth of the month. I hadn't paid my rent. I hadn't been there. So I thought that.”

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  40. “They knew Michael Eckert's name. Had the address in Charlotte. So I know by this point it's been five, six days. So I know they've tracked him back there. So I figured if I could get my car, I'm fine. So I go into the apartment complex, and it's like those four, five, six story apartments that stack up. So I go into this underground, it's not underground, but whatever, this parking garage thing. So I go in, I'm on like the third floor or something. I look at my car. And I get in my car and I remember as soon as I drove out of the parking garage, I was like, I'm good. So I can go ahead and pull across the street and stop at Starbucks. Sorry, I stop at Starbucks. I walk into Starbucks. I order a Starbucks. I'm standing there waiting for the barista. I look over. And it's two people from the apartment complex staring at me.”

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  41. “She's telling me she wants me to cooperate against my ex wife. And I'm like, I'm not going to do that. I said, my ex wife didn't do anything. She doesn't know anything. She didn't do anything. She's never, you know, that's not what I heard. She's going on and on. And I was like, no, no. I was like, oh, wow. I was like, so that's just for. And she's like, that's right. I said, all right, we're done. She's no, wait, I can call the Atlanta U.S. attorney. I said, no, lady. I wouldn't believe you if you told me water was wet. I don't trust you. And I hung up the phone, threw it out the window. And I end up going to Charlotte. Drop off the UA van. Go to my, I brought it back to the dealer. It's not like I vanadized. So I bring it back. I go to my old apartment in downtown Charlotte. And I remember thinking I would be okay. I know by this point.”

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  42. “She's like, Look, you don't want to do that. You don't want to do that. Well, because that would have been the secret service would have gotten the credit if I'd walked in there, right? So, and I don't know anything about rivalries and how they work. At that time, I do now. But so we go back and forth, back and forth, and I continually ask her, does that include Atlanta and everything? And at some point, I realized like, oh, she's just not answering. And so finally, I said, listen, you keep dodging this question. She said, All I can speak for is Tampa. So if you come back to Tampa, And you cooperate against everyone seven years.”

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  43. “First time he wasn't, hadn't got back with her, then he did. Then he came back. He said seven years, he's got to turn himself in here. So, okay, seven years. That seems like a lot. And I was like, and that seven years for, I goes, and I kept saying, is that seven years for everything? And she goes, yeah, that's for everything. Like, that's everything. Like everything that happened in Atlanta, like in some stuff that you don't know about. She said, look, what's important is you turn yourself in in Tampa. And I was like, okay, well, I'm closer to Atlanta. Why wouldn't I turn myself in in Atlanta?”

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  44. “Not just that I made the initial calls sitting there in that where I went and bought the phone. It was like a gas station. There was also like a subway station. I had ordered like a subway. I was eating a subway, playing on my computer, programmed the phone and making phone calls. So by the time I talked to her. And they're driving. By that point, I walked and gotten into the vehicle, my vehicle, and I leave. But who knows? I don't know if they showed up 30 minutes late. I don't know. I could have hung out. Like, oh, I'm just going to finish my food, could have shown up. So I go, I call her back an hour or two later. She says, listen.”

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  45. “Who do you think you are? You're just some little fraudster guy running around, you know, like. You're not a terror And I almost I almost was like, okay, here's my number, which she probably already had. But I almost was like, okay, I'll wait for your call and left my phone. I said, no, you know what? I said, I'm going to hang up the phone. I'm going to turn it off anyway. And I'll call you back. She's all right, whatever. I hang up. I turn off the phone. It turns out I found out later when I ordered the Freedom of Information Act, she actually immediately called the U.S. Marshals and they immediately called, took the phone number and tracked back the phone and immediately had two marshals from Baton Rouge or go immediately to the place where I had been. Oh, listen. Yeah. I mean”

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  46. “I'm not stupid enough to turn myself in and hope for the best. So she says, well, let's talk about this. And I said, well, what am I looking at? And she says, I don't really know. I can't, you know, really. I can't tell you that. And I said, Well, then when will I have anything to talk about? She goes, Well, wait a second. She said, let me, hold on, let me call the U.S. attorney. Maybe we can work something out. So she calls the U.S. So I said, okay, I'll call you back. And she said Give me your phone number, I'll call you. And I went, No, no. I said, I'll call you. I said, I'm going to hang up the phone. I'm going to turn the phone off. I said, for all I know, you're triangulating this phone call right now or something, you know? And she goes, oh, give me a break. She goes, you're not that important. And I remember thinking”

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  47. “She told me if I ever spoke with you to have you call her. And I was like, Yeah, I'm good. So she goes, her name is Candace. And she wants you to call her. She goes, at least call her. For God's sakes, maybe you could just turn yourself in. Maybe you can negotiate just like a couple years. Because if they're not going to catch you, then maybe turn yourself in. Maybe it'll help. At least hear her out. And I was like, okay, all right, you're right. Hang up the phone. I call Candace. She picks up the phone. I go, hey, she goes, who's this? And I go, this is Matt Cox. And she goes, hey, hello, Mr. Cox. How are you? And I go, I'm doing okay. How's it going? I understand you want to talk to me. She goes, I do. I said, what can I do? She says, you can turn yourself in. I go, well, that's not going to happen. I said, what else do you need? And she said, I think that you should think about turning yourself in. I said, why? Well, what am I looking at? She goes, well, that's not how it works, way it works is you turn yourself in. And, you know, we take that into consideration. I said, no, no, no, no. I said, that's not good enough.”

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  48. “Ends up happening is I'm driving through, I get that phone that I was telling you about, and I call, talk to my mom, she's crying. She's like, I love you so much. I just want to make sure you're safe. I end up calling Susan Barker, which was one of the brokers that worked for me at the time. Call her and I say, hey, what's going on? How's you, Susan? Like, oh, Matt, you know, what's going on? FBI is everywhere. They've been talking to everybody. And this has been, it's like a year and a half at this point. And she's like, it's not, you know, they're. Come around every once in a while. Everybody's gone in. Everybody's cooperating. Everybody's talking. Everybody's blaming you, including her. And so as we're talking, she said, look, I've Main FBI agent on the case.”

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  49. “Month and a half drunken binge or drinking, sorry, drinking binge, and then sober for six months and then did it again. It just went back and forth and in and out of alcohol, drug programs. But like I said, it worked for state farm and state farm. He was a top-selling manager. And so what they would do is they'd put him into a 30-day program. And I mean, like he has to stay there. And they were the only ones that had that kind of control because they're like, you're going to do this and you're going to pass it or we're firing you. He made a lot of money and he made a lot of money for State Farm, and he hired and trained a ton of agents, and he had one of the top performing agencies. So he was worth a lot to them. So I end up”

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  50. “My dad, you know, well, I hope you're happy. Your mother, every time someone mentions your name, your mother cries, which is funny to me because like growing up, like he was never concerned about her crying. So it was like since when did you care? My dad, like, he's an alcoholic. You know, he's been. Sober for two years”

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