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“You don't have that nowadays, all the leaders, the main coaches for the other big schools, they have other things, other things in their lives. They don't fully dedicate it to the athletes, John does, you know, look at the interview he spends hours and hours a day studying how can a way the system to make his athletes better. Look at the results.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's super smart. I mean eccentric and he leaves. He's 24 7 thinking better ways to teach how to make his comparators better. And that as a coach, when you have that dedication, as a coach that it makes the most difference for your athletes, like which are the big team you have that coach with that motivation? All the other schools is either someone that competes, that push the training, like Andreval. He's one of the competitors. So he brings the hype in everyone else, but he doesn't have the time. He doesn't spend the time working individually. I mean, I'm sure he does, but he's limited because he's also a competitor. And looking most of the other big schools like.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then it goes back to what is fighting, is fighting for dominance, you know, is fighting for the ultimate dominance positions, which is back amount. There's no others. And from that, you finish. So if you look back at his, you know, over the years of his past fights before he used to mainly focus in legs and over the past few years, now he's mainly focusing in finishing from the mountain back. That's when he became really good.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you want to be good, you have to work on your weakness. Because when you spawn, like we're saying, how many times you're going to practice? Escaping a bad position, like a submission hold or a pinning position, side control, mouth is very little the amount time you get to spend on those positions if you don't start there. So that he's very smart the way he trains.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Trying to, for my little knowledge I have, I'll bet he trains more than everybody else. And most important, how he trains. I kind of already knew, but when I heard John podcast with you the other day, John was explaining the preparation, the training for the ADCC and that kind of gave me a very strong idea how they've been training all these years. So, you know, when we said you have to work on your weakness, so you have no weakness. He trains a lot on his weakness, which not everyone does that. You know, if you look other, I'm not going to name, but other main schools with very strong competitors, great competitors, super tough people, but super tough. Great because they train their spa very hard. That makes them tough.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Dedication. Way he trains and how much he trains. And of course, you have to add his mind, his belief to really try to be good, the best or, you know, I don't know what his goals are, but I know he tried to be better than his opponents. So his beliefs are very strong. His dedication. He probably trains more than everybody else. I mean, I haven't seen firsthanded, but from what I hear interviews with him and everybody else training, the way everybody trains.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Then there's no good position then. Every position there's a risk. Attacking the foot is a way higher risk than side control, mouth That's what I'm saying. The back is not the best way to pin someone unless you're underneath me If you try to rotate, I can sacrifice the back and just allow you the mount.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is but you can't go red very quickly. Oh, I mean, there's some great ways to control someone that they cannot escape. It can go bad very quickly. That's the thing.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To dominate you if I'm fighting, it's way better for me to be on your side control or in the mouth where I can pin you be completely safe than to stay inside your legs trying to attack your foot.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly, of course. So people never really develop that. But now they do detourments. The fighting, it got completely, not completely, but it's no longer seen as a simulation of the real thing. Now it's a sport. It's only seen as a sport. So now it doesn't matter if you attack my foot. You cannot punch me. So why is it bad now to attack the foot? So it's not seen as a bad thing anymore. Now it got really developed.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Went bad in an MMA fight. I mean, of course, you had some sort of success with the question, but how many times went wrong? People were knocked out attacking the foot. So you can't say it's the best position to be. It's okay to go, but it's a very high risky position to go. So that's why it's not in a real situation. It's not seen as a good thing. So when you translate that to Jujitsu, when attacking the foot, he's not seen as a good thing because when you reflect that to a real situation, it's not going to go down well. So he was always seen as an easy way out, you know, easy cut. You're trying to do the easy path. You can't pass my guard. You can't dominate me. Then you're trying to attack my foot. That's why I was always seen as not as a bass, a great submission of way to win.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your body goes down to my foot, I can still come close to you or stand up, and I'll punch you. So it's not a good position to be in a real fight. Attacking the foot. I mean, how many times you see in that going bad?”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, because if you look back, you know, the Thermas when they were created, all the rules and everything else was to simulate a real fight with no punches when I were having a gi. I mean, if you ask, what is Jujutsu? Like, what are you trying? What's the main goal of Jiu-Jitsu to dominate your opponent? What's the main goal of fighting? We're fighting, it's, of course, submission is the ultimate goal. But before that, the main goal is to dominate you. Like we're fighting. I have to dominate you. And then the submission comes. And footlocks, I don't require any domination on you. I don't need to be in a dominant position to attack your foot. And if I attack your foot, you're still free to knock me out.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I am because you have to understand what you're doing. Everything, there's a step by step. Like logistic, like details, every single move, there's a reason for it. There's things around that happens The more you know, the better you are, right? The more knowledgeable compare it or wherever. So I think with the footlocks, with the Nogi, like if you look back, If we think of used to be seen as a really bad thing to attack the foot, it wasn't seen as a good option of attack.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Every two years. Only in memory, they have to be invited to. But I think now it grew a lot. Now we have so many different tournaments. Now we have a scene. You have people that only train No Gi, they're fully dedicated to Nogi. And you have supervised different tournaments. So now it's professionally. You can do just Nogina, which before was unheard of because you have one or two torments. If you cannot be called a no Gi fighter fighting once every two years, twice every two years.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the Nogi is relative new. That Nogi seen. That wasn't a scene before. I think he started now on his generation, you know, his time. Because before, like when I was competing, Nogi was just ADCC. There's nothing else. Every two years. First was only in the Emirates. You had to go there to compete. So there was not even a scene. There was like this one tournament that gives a lot of money to competitors, to fighters. And it brings fighters from other modalities Marco, Van Narsdale, you know, some wrestlers, Greco Roman, you know, they can't compete against each other. And they create that set of rules, try not to favor anyone. So that was it. So you cannot be called the greatest dogie of all time if you only have one tournament.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You cannot pray somewhere in the middle of his career, you know? So you cannot call him the best ever. He's 26 or 27. So it's, I mean, he's great. He's very good. He's ahead of all of other competitors, I think. And, I mean, he's having an amazing career. You know, he's doing amazingly well. So, I mean, when he finished, when he finally retired, then you can act like,”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's no question, you know, Gordon is. I don't think it's right to say the best compared to all time because he's still very young. I think that's something that he can be in the end when the person...”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, yeah. I'm like as soon as that first fight finished, I had said that got stuck in my throat that I already, at that point I knew I'm going to have to fight him again. I knew. I always knew there's no choice I have to.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't regret it because if I hadn't done it, I would feel there was something missing. So I don't regret doing. I would regret not doing.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Strike from the beginning. It's because I mean, I love Jujutsu. I truly love all the aspects of it, fighting, training, you know, the practice, the competition. I don't have that for MMA. So it's hard to give your heart to it, something that you don't have the passion to it. Like Jujitsu, you know, I gave my heart to it. Like I did everything that I had to. MMA, I never, I didn't do that. So that's why it was. I won't say it was wrong for me to do it because I don't regret doing. I always, you know, looking back as a kid when I decided to, you know, to take jiu-jitsu for life, I already knew that some point I would have to do MMA. It's almost like that's the path of a Gracie. When you're ready, you go do MMA.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One likes, he's terrible. It's one sided. Even the guardian is one sided, the person in the bottom has the advantage. I can be completely relaxed in my close guard and I cannot be completely relaxed.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's not out of my control, but Clothes got put in a position that I'm attacking in your defending. You cannot attack me from my clothes, God. We can argue that this might be one or two attacks, but it's very, very, very limited and depends who you're fighting against”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is much harder There's barely no open guard in the MMA. Very little. Because the open guard has a distance between you and him. A distance, how you cannot control. It's much harder to control that punch coming. And I have to position myself a way to block that. And it limited my attacks, my options of attacks.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, in the guy, and especially in the close guard, you have to keep the person very close to you, or you have to kick him away. That's in the God. I'm hugging you or get away from me.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Parts the distance that you allow your opponent to be on you, the techniques that you choose to apply. Your body has to be aware of the punches and you are a lot more limited on your attacks.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You have no way to hold yourself there. So that was the biggest challenge for me in MMA is the speed, because I'm a very slow star fighter. If you look at my matches, I start very slow. Because if I go hard, you know, I fatigue faster. So for me, that was the hardest part is to start fast.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Can clin But then he takes her down, he keeps moving. It's Control that Can you if you play defense, you save more energy than if you try to be the aggressor and res”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“you have to respond to match his space i mean you can't slow down but it's like you're forced to respond to that much farce it's a lot more physical a lot more and you need to be physical much better conditioning faster it's explosiveness it's much harder”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The biggest difference for me between MMA and Jiu Jitsu is first is the speed like Jiu Jitsu like a 10 minute match. I can take my time. There's no dangers that forces me to move fast. MMA, you have to be 100% sharp in FOSS from Second of the fight because punches are coming. You can get knocked out anytime. One mistake. You out. Jiu don't have that. Like, it's, I don't have Twitter about quick submission because it's all about the way my body is positioned, you know, my grips. It's easy to avoid, it's easier to see it coming. It's like a quick submission, a surprise. It only works if you make a mistake, if you're not correct positioning. Otherwise, it's impossible. It's extremely difficult. MMA is not. I mean, one split second mistake. And when the person comes,”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Course. I mean, how can you choke someone? If your grip so weak, your forearms will fatigue and then you will have no power and then you cannot do anything.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, because I made sure I kept training with the gi and I kept fighting at least the World Championship once a year. That was my goal. I'm like, I'm going to go for MMA, but I love Jujitsu and I still want to fight the highest level. So I kept fighting once a year for a few years. It was a challenge, especially because two or three times when I competed at the words, it was right after I made ahead. And no gi, don't you don't have the grips. So my grips, it made a big difference on my grips. So I was weaker grip-wise. I felt that so I knew it was like it's unnecessary risk because I'm not, if I cannot be 100%, so why am I doing this? But I'm stubborn. I love jiu-jitsu. That's like I love fighting jiu-jitsu. I never loved MMA. I've liked it, but I thank you for Grace, I wouldn't have done it.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It wasn't that hard to be honest because that was something that I was considering. Because the last few years of my career, let's say, Was fighting him in May at the same time, was fighting Jiu Jitsu, and it was very challenging to do both. There's not another person who ever did that. Because the training is a confliction with the what you train. Everybody who start doing MMA start focusing MMA, Jiu-Jitsu gets worse because they stop training with the gee. Everybody, no exception.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He doesn't get credit as much as he deserves because he pushed his career very far. And the last few years, he was on his best. You would have stopped before you people would remember him on his highest, but he kind of pushed. More than Let's say”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not sure it was. Not sure because Think his arm, just straight his arm time finish. So, I'm not sure if he was tapping to let go. Time's up or because of the outside, most likely the time was up.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Either I get it right away or I don't bother trying much. Because you need to keep one hand behind the head. And you're naturally on that position as soon as you mount, most of the times. And the moment that you mount someone, no one accepts that they go mounted, they're going to explode to get out. So holding the head, it gives you a better way to dominate them initially to deal with that explosiveness on the beginning. And then, but then you have to let go to try it. You're very limited holding the head.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because the Ezekiel most times I use against people is the attack that as soon as I get to the mount, when they're trying to escape the open up and I get them, it has to be at that initial.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's not very powerful. You know, physically, he's not very strong, but he can make himself very strong and his technique is very, very high level.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Togas is extremely technical. I mean, I think he's one of my favorite Jujitsu fighters because in a technical way, I think he's probably one of the best.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's very hard to control him because he moves fast and he's 112 kilos, 115 sometimes or 110. I'm not sure, but he's about around that. So 240 in pounds. So when you're agile 240 pounds, that makes it very hard to control you.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have to go with Bouchesha because look at how many titles he has. I mean, Has by far more than Marcello. Marcello stopped quietly. The law has eight, but Mushesh is better than him.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So explain it to me why the back. It would be harder, it would be better to finish the amount if you can explain it to me why I might change my mind.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Line them out. There's no space. No space. You can try. I mean, you can squeeze your hand in. I mean, there's still things that you could do. They're so limited.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It does not mount. Standing, if I put both hands on your neck, if I'm going to go for the cross collar choke, after I get my hands in, the next step is to pull you close to me. So it's this, my arms needs to be close to me”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I can move my body. You feel my back, you cannot pin me. I cannot take you off my back. First, I need to defend the choke, but you have no control over my body. So that means there's still a lot of movement that I can try to use to escape. In the mouth, there's no movement. I'm pinned down. I cannot move and I have no space between us to escape.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because cross color choke in the mouth, the moment that you put both hands on my neck, you know, you have to, your arms need to be very close to your body to attack. So that means there's very little space between us. So that means there's very little space for you to work on your escape. And the moment that you cannot bridge, let's suppose I have the person has a good mouth, so you cannot bridge them off. What else? You don't have space to try to work on your defense. Being in the back, I have all this space around me to work on my defense in my arms. I have the mobility to bring them anywhere. So because of that, it gives you me a much better chance.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't care. I have a bet escape. I have a better chance escaping from the back than if you mount on me, put my hands on my neck I've been that many times.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Everything. I mean, of course, like you don't practice escaping the hamlock with a full arm straight. Because that's gone. I mean, you practice. You practice escaping the amlock when he takes your arm, you have a chance of trying to escape, but you don't practice. Take my arm. When I say go. I mean, you plop the arm. That is like, you get injured doing that. Escaping the cross color choke, it's... I mean, Skip not letting the person get there. You can practice escaping triangles because you have a way better chance of escaping triangles than, okay, mount on me, put both hands in my neck. I mean, it's over. Don't be there.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then you get into details of skipping triangle, applying the triangle, escaping armlock, different scenarios of the one thing is defending the amlock when you have your time, your arms very close to your body. The other thing is to defend the arms when your arm is almost getting. And then when he got your arm. So there's so many things to practice that you need to repeat them over and over again until you're confident enough that when you get there, you have a chance.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, because they don't train the way they should. They don't train to get better. They train to get tough. That's a big difference. Most people, they train to get tough, so they are tough. Like we were talking before, they don't practice the weakness. You want to be good at, you want to be really good at jujitsu. Have to practice your weakness, not your strength. To practice everything, but you have to be equally strong in every position, they all exact the same. Your guard, top, bottom, side control, top bottom, turtle, half guard, mount, back, I mean, you pick, takedown.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source