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“And I think it's also in the day you develop the more you practice, the more you fight. It's like, you know, you don't want to get nervous, you don't want adrenaline. And so you just learn how to shut that off from your mind. So the less I thought about it, you know, it's like how many times I thought, let's say the week before the fight, that's when you start more when you concern the most because now it's getting very close. Before it's just far away, it's normal to think of the tournament. You got a bit nervous, but it goes away quick. But the fight, you know, the week before, now you're constantly thinking of that day. And every time you think, adrenaline pumps in.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think both I was always very calm since I was a kid, since very young. I was never very fiery person. So that is a reflection. You reflected on Major Juju, my life, on my fives, the way I fight. So it's a direct influence of my personality.”
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“And then I let go and say, No, I'm going to tap you by the arm. And I could feel he was like, he wasn't comfortable, you know, with being there. It was, you know, me saying that I'm going to tap him out. I was so relaxed, joking about it, but I'm joking that I'm going to tap him out in a fight that we're going to have in four days' time. I felt he was like not comfortable at all.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, there was an interview prior to the fight. There was a big fight. We were doing like media every day before me and him were meeting for media. Like five days before, you know, five, six days before. I'm quite chatty, it's, you know, the closer we get to the fight, the more focus I get, the less I stop joke around playing with people. But I remember, I think it was maybe three or four days before we were doing an interview together. My cousin Kir was there, she was doing one of the interviews with us. I remember it was like what we were talking about, but I just remember we'll talk about the fight, of course, and then it was, you know, we're standing beside each other. And I'm like, and then I, you know, suddenly I chop in and grabbing by the neck. I said, I'm going to tap you by the neck. And then he was like, you know, very shy.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's like how much you want to get to the destination you chose. How badly you want to get there? If you quit, you're never going to get there.”
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“Even it's not about winning or losing, it's about you giving up. I've never doubted myself. I always fought to the very end. Always that I'm most proud of. There were moments, you know, it's you're in a terrible position, you know, mainly like there was moments that was super tired, but like exhaustive tired when it was easy to give up. Like I had nothing more to give. I pushed, I took Energy out of my soul, I will have to say, because when my body had zero. My spirit, my soul, pull it out.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Good I am because otherwise I wouldn't be there So, you know, being there in the first place, it's already not a great thing. But I say, you know, every single time I found myself there, I was super proud that I've never cracked. Like I've never given up ever any second, any fight never.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I fully agree. I think we are measured not when we're on the strongest, but when we are on the weakest. That's when we truly measure ourselves or character, who we are, not we're in a position of power, we're in a position of weakness.”
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“Hence is a fantastic person. It's, you know, what I've learned most from him is like you can take any challenge. It doesn't matter when you have to be ready. With the war spirit that he has, he always took any challenge ready or not ready”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I theme just motivates you. I think that Hansel always did that fantastically well to motivate me, like before in fight a match. I think that the confidence. His energy being around you. I think that's the great thing to have hands on your corner. It's the motivation that he gives you.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's a full sweep, yeah, because that's extremely common to have that. I mean, if I'm on your guard, open guard, you know, if you have your legs between both of your legs in the open guard, my knee will be between your legs because it's a must. My knee cannot be on the floor.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, because I always like Close Guard and no one wants to be in anyone's closed guard, right? It's open guard is the step to pass. So everybody, when you try to close the God, they bring them in in the middle. Like if you're not standing, if you're lower on the ground and the open guard, if you're close to me, you need that knee between. So it's a must. That's when I stop developing the attack. You know, I managed to have long legs to close my legs around people even with that. And then I just develop that sweep.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes I just failed is getting tired, tighter, tighter, tighter because he wasn't super tight from the beginning. He wasn't like the perfect joke. So we're still, I mean, I knew it was like it's very close to the end, but I still need to just, there was still the risk of maybe escaping.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's just So, pressure hurts is uncomfortable, but it's not going to break your face and it's not going to put you to sleep. So if I don't get the neck, I don't go for the I'm holding his collar. My wrist is almost under dig in. If I can't dig in, then I want just a call, but first I need to dig in.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It doesn't feel comfortable. I mean, sometimes on your mouth, he cuts your mouth, now you're bleeding, it feels horrible.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Both it's not writing, it doesn't work. I mean, would you tap to a choke on your chin? No, it's just pressure. Your heart, but it's not going to choke you out.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All I need, all I want is to get under his chin. Then I know I can go for it. Because if he's over, there's no choke, right? The risk needs to be under. No, I can't. That's just not right.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I did that, but for. Why kept holding that a bit longer. And then when I fell, okay, I have a good control over the back, then I”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like I pull God on the grips that I want. He's not comfortable inside my God. He's not in a position that he wants to be. He's over leaning to his left, you know, he's not engaged, you're not trying to pass. He's trying to get the foot, but his arm is trapped. He's going to get nowhere. And then when I swept him, suddenly his words start collapsing. He couldn't take me down. I pulled out. I'm swept in. He tried to roll me over. No, it didn't get me anywhere. The first movement that he tried to escape, I'm on his back. I mean, now he's lost.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm off balance. Yeah, see I didn't bring him up. He came up. I'm attacking his neck and he's worried about the hooks. Fatal mistake. That's like defense always comes first. Remember what I just said now? Defense first cape second. So he's not worried more about the points than his next. So it was like a progression of mistakes. That's why I think he go frustrated when he couldn't take me down. And then when I pull God, he was frustrated that the fight wasn't going his way. He's very good about taking down. He tried over and over again for five minutes.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's His defense are not amazing. He's good, but he's not known to have amazing defense. So by being the big guy in the room when you train, you used to get out of situations because of your size. You shake people off. It's because of your size. You shake them off. You get off some bad positions. I could feel on the first fight. I'm side control. You know, suddenly he explode out. So, you know, I've seen him doing that a few of his fights. not in the most technical way just i'm getting out and he did because of his size so and he did the same thing like he tried to stood up when i'm on his back he completely opened up the hooks you will see the next move his head gonna come up and he's gonna try to get off the floor”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So you see when he came up. But I would say, I mean, that's my guess, but Bouches is. He's a big guy. He was like 110 kilos, 112, something like that.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But when I knew Hispanicking because he did a move that he completely opened himself up, like I'm holding his left arm. So by holding the arm that prevents him from defending the hook on that side because his arm is being held across. So the arm cannot block the hook. And I mean,”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Back So the moment that I came off, I'm holding his arm so he cannot come up. So, you know, I'm holding his left arm so he cannot post a hand on the floor and come up.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So he's not engaging at that time. He's 100% just defending. So I felt that. I'm like, he doesn't want to engage. And he's looking. I knew at that point he wants my foot because of first fight. I had the same position. I wasn't holding his arm and he went to attack my foot, which he did. Like a toe hold or what?”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I mean, he's stuck. There's not really stuck there. But the one thing hit that he kept off me completely. See that he's leaning. Like he's too afraid of my attack now. He should lean on me. You should bring the fight to me. So when I fail him, you know, I knew he was like, he's too worried about my attacks now.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He knew that, like, I swap a lot of people with that sweep. So you see, he kept leaning to his left, to my right. So, I want to push them to my left. So you see him leaning over to my right a”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. But I like that. I like people bringing the knee between my legs. Because, see, I'm going to close my guard even with his leggings.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and he kept trying over and over again and kept failing. I think that frustrated him a lot on that fight. I fell. I felt him kind of slowing down suddenly because he was getting nowhere.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because he just made an effort trying to take me down. He needs to recover. And I mean, you need to recover. The other guys are waiting for you.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you see it, there was a pause. Go back there. He charged in There's a pause me standing in front of him. I did that on purpose And I'm like, you fail. I'm here.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I know he wants my leg, so I'm playing my stance just because of his game. All my grips at that the first five minutes was to kind of try to neutralize his attacks.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, so you see the first five minutes, you know, he I knew what he was going to do in my study, his game, his stand up, his basic in takedowns, leg attacks, double legs. So he goes single, double, and he charged in that is pretty much his stand-up game.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm always confident being bought on top. I prefer to be on top because. Being in the bottom, the person on top dictates the pace of the fight because he's on top over you. So I always prefer to be on top because I can dictate the pace. I can implement my own pace. And being the bottom, they can slow me down. So it's harder. So if I can choose, I will always be on top. But I think by then I was like, it's five minutes hit it. I'm like, it's pretty big and strong. I'm going to spend a lot of energy taking him down. I forgot.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like, I'm gonna stick to the game plan. Five minutes, I'm gonna stop picking up the pace because then it's 10 minutes to go, which 10 minutes a long fight. So I don't need to stop fast, but I'm gonna stop being more aggressive and then, you know, try to take him down or pull guard. By then, I'm like, that's as far as strategy goes.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, it's at that point, like I don't predict how the fight will go, that I never did because it is unpredictable. I never try to set any strategy for any fight. I think, oh, okay, I did, but that was the only time that I set any strategy into a fight. There was a 15 minutes fight And I said first five minutes, I'm going to play defense. His biggest, stronger, younger. I don't want to play his game. And I know he comes in very fast every single fight he had. You know, he comes very aggressive. So my strategy walking to that fight, I say five minutes, I'm going to play defense. I'm not going to try to attack. I'm not going to try to match his space. I already expected, you know, maybe I'm going to start losing the fight because if he comes in, there's a risk of me maybe getting takedown or something happened.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I knew. I mean, it's not at that moment that I already knew that. I remember just before, you know, the curtains open, I'm standing in before they call my name. And I mean, my legs were like, I feel the adrenaline kick in on my legs. And I'm like, you know, I'm hitting the legs. I'm like, wake up. Get their drilling off of me. So it was intense. It was intense.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's a great competitor taking nothing out of him. He's super tough. Very, very tough. Very good. He's probably the best competitor in Jiu Jitsu that he won 13 times the World Championship. I won 10. So as a competitor, he has more titles than I do. But in terms of analyzing the game, I consider technically better than him. So, knowing all that, everything that I build, all my legacy, it's if I was.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes. Like I say, I'm not going to say I'm fearless. Of course, this concerns. That fight, I have to say, was probably the fight that I got nervous the most walking in because I knew what that meant, that fight. They meant everything for me, all my legacy was on the line. Because if I lost that fight, that would forever be number And I mean, Bushesh is a great, great guy, great competitor. Judith was very good. But I'm better than him. I knew that it's like...”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is everything together because it's a whole body movement. It's a constantly moving your arms, legs, body. They have to, everything works together.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's both. First, you have to understand the movement and then practice Most important thing is defense coming Because he's attacking you. The one thing is if he's not trying to submit you, but the other one, if he is, let's say it's a person who's very good, has a very good attack. The first thing is defense, not just escape. And expose yourself to an even worse position. Because that is very risky. When you're trying to escape, you always expose yourself to a worse position. So avoiding that, first is defense, not getting caught. And then when you're skiping, don't be no worse within.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Control over and over again, starting that, escape back, escape, get back. If you mount you, get back. Any situation outside that stops that again, stop, start again. And it has to be, I would say five minutes because it's the repetition that will teach you. You know, if you train like three minutes on top, you have time to, you know, one thing and then time out is the repetition that over and over again, you know, when you try the same move over and over again, then you'll see what can go wrong.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It makes no sense. Yeah, someone pins you down. Doesn't want to move much. It's a big and strong guy, regardless of who he's not going to be easy to escape. So some situations are just hard.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The transition then becomes the fight itself. Being there is the most important, is when you're there, then you have to know how to get out. That's your weakness. Stopping the person getting that is something different. There are two different things. Either you practice one or the other.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“First, you come from training. I train. A lot bad position. Like, my difference is good because I practice over and over again as much as I practice all my offensive positions. So it's, you know, you have to train both equally, not just being in a good position. You have to be in bad. So I think that's a very strong part of my game. To be a complete fighter, you know, a complete martial artist, you have to be good in every single position. Every single one. Those are the you know it. You have a weakness. So to be complete, you should have no weakness. So that was always my particular on that like it's where my weakness, what I don't feel good at it. If you put me in a position to struggle, how do I escape? How do I get out? Everything. Any submission locked, penny position, you know, back mount, everything. It doesn't matter which position I have. I practice over and over again. So when I, if I get there in a fighting situation, I will know how.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, first I was winning that fight by a large. I mean, I think by six points or four, something like that. But I was like, I was done there.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“People had very bad defense. They don't allow themselves to be there I mean, who wants to get taps? Because you will until you work on your defense, of course, you're going to get tap or, you know, you're not going to escape. You're going to struggle to escape. So people, they don't want to be there.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You spa. That is how you train. Because you used to just spa. When you spa, it's difficult to be in bad positions a lot. You train with better people. But, I mean, let's say six minute rows, how long you're going to be in a really bad position? Not long, right? So you don't really have time to develop. That's why people don't. Know, they don't train be in bad positions because you have to start that over and over again. Be used to”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's the same, or you getting knocked out. You get knocked out the first time, your resistance drops, your drug gets weaker.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've never gave up. I mean, I tapped. It's not giving up, it's not typing. That's just stupid, especially doing training. Like I get caught, I type. I've never ever... Hurt myself by not tapping. You get angry, you know, train hard, you know, improve, make yourself better, you got caught. Accept that you made a mistake, give up, tap, and try harder. So, you know, not tapping, you're sacrificing your body and you'll never be the same. Like if you let your elbow pop, the elbow will never ever be the same ever. Let yourself go to sleep, your resistant jobs. So everybody has a limit of resistance until you resist a choke before you pass out. The moment that you go to sleep, that resistance will drop according to it.”
2022-12-03 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #343 – Roger Gracie: Greatest Jiu Jitsu Competitor of All Time · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source