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1. “To be here with you. And then those two guys and my colleague roommate is another one that I'm very, very close with. I have a handful of people that, you know, I will drop literally everything, even if my wife would be pissed at me at times. She's like, seriously, I got to do it. And now she knows, and it's the same thing with her. I mean, she knows that there are certain people in her life that if they really need her and she has to go, she would go. And I would let her go.”

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2. “It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean you're not being nice. I mean, there's acquaintance friends that I'll do anything for and they come to my house and stuff, but then there's the people that, you know, like my cousins who are like my brothers that, you know, at a moment's notice, you know, when my uncle passed away at a young age, you know, who lived literally right down the street from me and my cousin Chad and I got two boy, there's 14 of us, but there's only two boys. There's three of us together. And we all grew up in the same neighborhood, same schools, play football together, all that. I said, if one of those, if Ray or Chad ever needs me, if something happens, like when my uncle died, it wasn't an issue if I'm coming home. I'm booking the ticket and I don't give a shit what it costs because I will be there.”

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3. “That is life It's the people you truly care about. And contrary to, I have, you know, oh my God, I got 6,000 Facebook friends. You got about that many real friends that you can count on. And that's it.”

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4. “You realize what's important now. And the one thing that you have is your family and your close friends. And that's it. You can take all the money or everything else if you're down on your luck. Who is going to be there? We always just joke. Who are your true friends? It's the person. Well, there's once that I won't say, but hey, you're broke down on a road in the middle of nowhere and it's three o'clock in the morning. Who are you going to call is going to get in their car without complaining and come and get you?”

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5. “We're all sitting on the same freeway at the same time trying to do the same thing, which is just get home so we can be with our family because the most important thing that we have. It ain't money. It ain't our job. It's not our position. I go because when it's all said and done, you could be, with the exception of the presidents of the United States, I mean, name the vice presidents. Most people can. And eventually they're going to die. Or eventually, you're going to see a statue of a guy from the 1700s in the Boston area, and you're going to go, I don't even know who that guy was. Did he impact my life? He probably did. But eventually people forget.”

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6. “He did. Well, you have to. And it's like I talk about money and job position and this and that. And I said, you can get in any, you know, you can go to a company. Just remember, when you want to be a VP of a company, you sell your soul to the company. You have to. I said, if you look, I joke with people at work and I said, you know, when you ever think that you're important or this guy has that, I said, when you're sitting on 93 or 95, 128, and you're sitting in traffic and we're stopped, which doesn't happen right now because of COVID, but normally it's bumper to bumper and you're sitting here like I was coming down here by the gas tank When you're sitting there, look left and look right. You know, and there can be a Lamborghini or an S550 Mercedes and on the other side there could be some piece of crap car.”

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7. “And I had a dream, or I think it was a dream, or an altered reality. You can get into whatever. But he was there. It was just him and I. And I was really sad in the dream. I was actually crying, and he was there, and he was actually in his uniform. He was in his whites because he was a Navy. And we were just talking, and he looked at me and he said, and this is in my dream. He's like, Dave, it's all going to be okay. And this is like, and this is a vivid conversation I have, and people are going to think I'm weird about this. But I know my dream was, and maybe it's my subconscious creating the dream. But in reality, to me, this was real, that it was put there for a reason. And he basically explained everything. It's okay. I'm going to be fine. My wife is fine. He goes, this is what's meant to be, you know, but, you know, and the bottom line was make use of every day that you have because you don't know. And literally two days later, I find out that he passed.”

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8. “Dude, you're sad. I mean, this is your friend. And I'm kind of really bummed out. And this is the guy that's dying of cancer. And here's what he tells me. He says, Dave, dude, we're all going to die. He goes, but I have to look at it. I have to make the best of the time that I have. And I said, I understand that. And he goes, with the exception of not being with my wife, who he loved dearly. He goes, I'm okay with dying. I've had a really good life. And Because actually, the original announcement when he finally passed away, a buddy of mine called me because I don't do Facebook and his wife had put it on Facebook that he had passed. And about the day before he died, for some reason I was thinking about him.”

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9. “And I was hanging out with, I'll call him John. And I was hanging out with John. We were in oil and gas. He had come to the same company and we were doing an event together. And he was opening up to me because we were actually the demo pilots. We do the demonstration for airshows and stuff. And him and I were sitting there talking. He was giving me the whole story and how he had it really changed his look on life that we're only here for a finite time and that we're all going to die. Well, unfortunately, after all that when it was really going him and his wife had moved to a location that fit their close to the water where they could do stuff, and I won't say where. And he was doing what he loved to do. And he got diagnosed with throat cancer. And I was talking to him, it was probably about maybe two months before he died. And I said”

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10. “So let me start with Have I pondered my own mortality? Yes, quite often. And I don't get into my religious beliefs or what I am, but I will tell you that I do believe in God. I've just seen too many things in the world that I can't explain. And some people will explain it by subconscious. So I'll give you a story, and this kind of puts in the thing of do I fear death? So I had a good friend of mine that I used to fly with. We were stationed in Japan together, and Japan had this incinerator that put all kinds of dioxins. So there's a real high cancer rate for those that served on the base in Atsugi, Japan. Him and his wife had one son, and their son passed away just before his 18th birthday of cancer.”

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11. “No, this is normal. This is what a normal funeral looks like. So it's, you know, for young kids, bottom line, one, be nice. Kindness will get you. I'm a big believer in karma. Kindness will get you a long way in the world. You know, it's easy to be nice. It doesn't cost you anything. I said, you know, and get rid of the hate. And number two is follow your dreams because everyone is capable of everything. And there's a self-realism like, you know, if you really have trouble with math getting a PhD in applied math is probably not something you're going to be able to do. But understand yourself what your own capabilities are and you know inside your heart. Don't let anyone ever tell you what you can and can't do. You have to determine that yourself and go for it and you can do anything. It's just a great, the world's incredible. It really is.”

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12. “But he didn't have a lot of money. But I'll tell you what, I know a lot of rich people who have funerals and there's nobody at him. And my grandfather, who's a beer delivery guy, it literally, it was like three miles long. It was crazy. Yeah, who died? That was because it was like, hey, he's a Catholic. He's Italian. He goes, who died the Pope? And I go, no, that's my grandfather. And then the next funeral I went to was my aunt, his sister. And there was like, you know, 30 people. And I looked at my mother and I said, where's everybody at? She goes, oh.”

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13. “And you should be able to do good things for other people. You want to be able to help other people. That's what I said. So both of my kids, and there is no one in my family, both of my children, one of them is my daughter is a doctor doing residency and internal medicine right now. And my son is in his third year. And they're both going to be doctors. And so I look at it as, you know, people go, oh, you got two doctors. I don't care. I told my kids, if you want to be a garbage man or you want to dig ditches, I don't care. Just be the best ditch digger that you can be. I said, and be happy doing it because what you also find is that we are in this big pursuit of money, money, money, money, money, money, money. That's what makes the world go round. But what you realize, and I'll go back to my grandfather who didn't have a lot of money, and he was probably one of the most happy people on life. And unfortunately, he died at 65. He had a massive heart attack because he didn't tell that he kind of knew it was happening and he just made the choice to do. And it was devastating to the entire family.”

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14. “So you do when you look at it and you go, I understand what those guys feel like when you have to walk away from something you love and you think you can still do it. So I told them, I said, look, I was talking to both my kids and I said, you know, find something that you want to do that you love to do and that you can do your whole life.”

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15. “So he couldn't fly. He came to me and said, I go, What do you want to do, Nate? You know, you're talking to your kids, and what do you want to do? I want to be a pilot. No, now I got to tell him, because he's looking at me because I'm a pilot, do you can't be a pilot? He's like, why can't I be a pilot? I said, because you got eye issues. You know, so you got to redirect. And the other one was because I stopped flying. I was 42 years old. And I was like, and it was my childhood dream. So it's like a pro athlete. I know exactly what it feels like when, you know, Brett Favre has to walk away from the NFL when you still can do it. Good choice.”

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16. “You can. You know, I told my kids this when they were young. It was tough, especially for my son. So when Nate was about five, six years old, we knew Nate was colorblind. My wife's brothers are both colorblind. It's really color deprived, color deline, you see black and white. He can't tell. He has issues with greens, reds, browns. It's funny if you're ever around someone like that. Because he'll go, I'll go, what are you looking at? He goes right over there, buy the red thing. I'm like, what are you looking at? I go, this. He had a hat on one day. I go, which one are you going to eat? He had a hat in his hand. It was green. He goes, I'm going to get the green one. I go, oh, this one right here. He goes, no, the one on my head. I go, Nate, that one's brown. He's like.”

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17. “I'm dating myself. And I was just fascinated with flight. And I just looked at that going, that's really what I want to do. And I never lost sight of that. There was always, I could do this or do that. And when I was going to go to college before I enlisted in the Marine Corps, I was accepted into natural resources at Ohio State. And I'm like, if I can't fly, I'll go be a forest ranger because I wanted to hang out in one of those tolers in Colorado and look for fires because that's just, I like that stuff. You know, it was that or being oceanographer because I was fascinated with Jacques Cousteau. And actually, that's my degree. My undergrad degree is Jacques Cousteau. So influences are Neil Armstrong and Jacques Cousteau. I have an oceanography degree. I got an MBA from University of Houston Goks. Got a mention of them. And then so you look and people go, what are you going to do with that? And I said, you know, I got an oceanography degree because I go, well, I'm going to sail on the ocean. So at least if the ship sinks, I'll know where I'm at. And that was a kind of a running joke.”

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18. “That's who they chose to be. And you make choices in your life, but never ever look down on someone because there will always be someone that will look down on you and you should never ever do that. And I kept that close to me. He was huge influencers, my mom's dad, just a big, big influence in my life and the way I carried myself. And he was one that would say, you know, you can be anything you want to be. You know, he grew up dirt poor, you know, and the fact that he had bought a house and took good care of my grandmother and did stuff like that, you know, to him, that was a success. And to me, it was always, you know, trying to better and move on. And he was the one, you know, my parents were a big part of this too, was instilling that anything is possible. So when I'm four years and 11 months old in 1969, and I'm watching Neil Armstrong walk on the moon and I'm asking my mom and she says, well, they were all military pilots. And, you know, we had an international guard that at the time was flying F-100s.”

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19. “So it was a totally different than we are now. And he said he goes, You know, David. He goes, they're no better than you, and you're no better than anyone else. He goes, you got to remember that. He goes, everyone's different. He goes, treat everyone with the respect and dignity that they deserve. He goes, and if they're poor, if they're homeless, he goes, it doesn't make them a bad person.”

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20. “Class, my dad was a fireman. You're not rich. He's working for the city. It was a paycheck to paycheck living, is how I grew up. And I was talking to my grandfather one day, and he said something to me. And this is literally how I run my life. He said it was about money because you'd see, you know, back in the day, if you saw someone in a Mercedes, that was rare. They weren't everywhere. You couldn't lease the car. You actually bought a car and usually bought a car with cash.”

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21. “Yeah, yeah First, let me start with, and you had a question on inspirational people. So my grandfather, I had mentioned him earlier, huge funeral, beer delivery guy, was delivering beer in the 60s riots where the guys in the black neighborhoods were white people didn't go. And my grandfather's Sicilian. He was one of the first ones in his family born in the United States. So my great-grandmother, and I had aunts and uncles that I knew growing up that actually came over on the boat. Huge, huge guy and just the nicest, friendliest would give you the shirt off his back, obviously proven by his funeral. And I'm talking at his funeral, the head of the Black Panthers was at his funeral in Toledo, Ohio. The mafia guys were at his funeral in Toledo, Ohio. I mean, it was literally a mix of who's who. And he had told me once, you know, because when you're little, you start looking. And I grew up basically, I was probably middle class, lower middle class.”

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22. “And he would get done, and he's like super humble, and they'd raise his hand, and he'd have this blank expression, he'd raise his hand, and he'd walk off, and as soon as he crossed the line, he'd look up and smok, hey, hi guys, how you doing? Like he literally just went and could have ripped someone's arms off. But as soon as he crossed the line, he was a totally different person. He's like, and he's that way today.”

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23. “Went to Naval Academy with me. He's a very, very good friend of mine. And he is, when you meet him and he wrestled at 190 pounds. And he did not lose a match his senior year until he went to Nationals. He just had a bad day. He actually lost to a guy he had pummeled the shit out of. And he would cross. It was funny. We joke about it, even with him, because when you meet him, he's like the nicest, hey, hey, dude. You know, hey, how you doing? He's super nice. He would cross that ring on a wrestling mat as soon as he crossed that ring, it was like a totally different person. And he would go out there and just destroy people. I mean, physically, destroy, like put a hurt on.”

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24. “You use force when force is necessary, but you don't have to walk around like Billy Badass all the time. I mean, some of the toughest people that I grew up with that literally could kick the shit out of whoever came near them, they never got in fights because one, even people that didn't know them, because they were actually nice guys. You know, they were just good dudes, but if you cross them, like I had a friend of mine, he's a nationally ranked wrestler.”

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25. “No, no, it's okay. And you got to think the only thing that stopped Hitler was his ego by going into Russia. If he'd have stuck with the pact with Stalin and not went to the east and had to fight and it was really the Russian winner that crushed him, and he would have put all his high troops to the other side, there would have been a totally different outcome, the man in the iron, the man in the high tower, whatever it was, the Netflix show or Nazi actually wins it. And you look, you know, we didn't know everything that was going on, especially the atrocities with the concentration camps and what he was doing to the Jews. I mean, you look at that going, if you really want to see evil, and then there's the whole side of what Stalin did because he actually exterminated more people than Hitler did, but that never gets the press.”

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26. “It's when you look and go, well, we can do this. And you go, no, no, if you think that everyone on the planet is good. You need to stop taking the drugs that you're taking. You know, we said this, there were people during the rise of Hitler. No, no, it's okay. No, no, it's okay. We're not going to do, we're not going to stop. No, no, it's okay.”

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27. “In Nazi Germany, pops up, or someone flies two airplanes into the World Trade Center, and then all of a sudden we're all like United. We all also have very, very short memories. We do”

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28. “Any country in any continent, it becomes a global issue. And the only way you can deny, it's just like Americans. We all, you know, we're divided. It's been that way forever. So if you think we won't get through this, we'll get through it because we've had times just like this before.”

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29. “It would literally change. I said this a while ago. I forget. I think it was the London sometimes had called me, and I said, you know, personally, I think this is a global issue. It's not. If there is stuff coming down, which we're pretty sure there is, there's enough stuff that we can't explain. If there is stuff coming down, then this is not a country-based thing and it's not about technology and it's not about who's going to win the next war. Because you don't know what they're doing. So you got really a couple of theories. One, you've got ET or close encounters. And the other extreme is you've got independence day. Are you going to prepare and bet on ET and close encounters or do you actually try and do stuff in case it is Independence Day? You actually have a game plan. And when you get into independence, day, that scenario, you know, and I don't like going too much into sci-fi, but let's just say in theory that that becomes a reality, it's not a US, Russia, China, England, France, Spain,”

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30. “Well, the government has the government, the US government came out a month ago and said, yeah, we have material that we cannot explain the origin. Have said that they just haven't released the records from the Roswell thing, which I keep joking about. I'm like, Come on, it's 70 some years old.”

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31. “When they started and I talked to them because I've talked to Tom and I've talked to Lou and those are the two main players it was to basically demystify the fact and get rid of the stigma that's tied to UFOs and let's look at it from a science base and then use TV to get the word out on the progress and they've done some pretty cool things I mean you know they've the the Italian government gave them all kinds of files that had been you know property their government they got a bunch from It might have been Argentina gave them all kinds of stuff. Like here's all our records. What can you do with it to try and now pull from country base to a more global based research, which is what you were talking about, and then using independent scientists that are not tied to a government, I mean, any government, but just using independent research agencies to start looking at some of the metallurgy. Because you go, oh, I found this. We had this piece of metal. What is it? And some of the stuff has been explained. They've got some objects, artifacts that have not been explained.”

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32. “It's not connected to reality. Because let's face it, if you're making TV shows, there's two reasons to do it. One, you want to get word out, or two, you want to make money, or three, both. Usually it's, I would say the make money is probably the biggest thing to put a TV show out.”

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33. “So there's all that because you can take a clip and go, oh, it's this, it's that. You know, and if I know about stuff like it, you can't technically use my likeness unless I tell you you can. So if I haven't signed something you can't do, there was a guy who put something out and I was in it and I told him, you can take it down or you can talk to lawyers because I'm not supporting you.”

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34. “There, when they started, their mission was to try and don't look at this as little green men, but let's look at this as a technology and let's try and almost reverse engineer and figure out how these things operate and how can we explain this from using our knowledge, you know, physics-based knowledge to go, how would something like this operate? That's really their bottom line was to try and use and then couple that with because they've got the series unidentified, couple that with. Television to get the word out. So you're actually putting something instead of, because everyone has a theory, you know, ancient aliens covers all kinds of theories. You know, it's kind of off of, oh my God. And I've seen this stuff and I've seen stuff that I've said taken out of context on shows that I did not talk to.”

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35. “I talked to him quite a bit. I am not a part of To the Stars Academy. I, you know, but, you know, like I talked to Lou. I just was texting him before this to heat.”

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36. “I think more is going to come out. I think some of the stuff that the two the stars folks have done. So there's a two-thirds.”

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37. “And people don't understand it because they didn't watch it from launch because we used to sit in our driveway, and you know, Vandenberg is, it was a three hour drive, but you could sit and watch it in there launching at night, you'd watch, you'd watch. It's really cool. If you don't see anything, what you see is the weird clouds from the exhaust plume, you know, what's left, the residue that's sitting in the atmosphere, and the wind starts blowing it. So you get these really kind of weird shapes in the sky, that's part. But when you go to Phoenix Lights and you go, hey, when a thousand people see something, you're going to discredit all a thousand people or you're going to try and explain it away with something else. It's a weather balloon. It's a weather balloon.”

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38. “But when you see them go up, you know, especially if you've ever watched a rocket really launch on a clear night, it'll have the stream, the glow, and you can tell it's a rocket. But if you don't look up until later, when it starts to get to the outer edge of the atmosphere where the plume coming out of the engine is not constrained, but you can watch this on TV when even the SpaceX ones go up, it's nice and narrow, narrow, narrow. And then it hits a point where it really starts to go up and it starts to come to the sides because the forces aren't holding that all into one unique thing. And it looks really odd. And then it'll go off because it burns out and that you get stayed separation. Then you see the next one go off and then it's gone.”

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39. “So here's the deal with massive sightings. So, the Phoenix Lights is unexplainable, although I know the Air Force had said something about it. It was an A10 drop in flares. I don't think so. Flares don't burn that long. They just come out and they detract and they go away. Although on the other hand, there's, you know, because clouds can do things. So I lived in Central California for 18 years. And you would get, oh my God, what was that in the sky? And it was really Vandenberg shooting a missile off. You know, they were doing ICBM tests at one time where they shoot from Vandenberg and they fly across and they go land in the atoll at Kwajulin and then they can check the displacement, the accuracy and all that stuff, you know.”

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40. “that they actually would chase these things and one of them shot at some you know it shot it because they said shoot at it and it shot at it and then it got shot down and then he said don't ever shoot at him again and don't chase them just you can observe them but don't go after them because obviously they have firepower that we can't control because if you can make something float around and jam radars at will and do whatever you want you know modern terrestrial weapons are probably not very useful you know you can go to independence day they had that force field around oh we got a we got it now you got it cyber warfare you got to take the bug down you got to take the warfare so now we can actually inhibit some type of damage”

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41. “Here we are because, and what's unique with ours, which kind of adds that level is it wasn't we just didn't see it. It wasn't like, oh, look, something in the sky and it was weird. We actually engaged with it. Yeah, it was an engaged five minute thing. And there's other stories from other countries. Like there's a story back when the Soviet Union existed.”

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42. “Well, I think part of that is to us that that's a credibility piece because the four of us that actually saw it plus the other two that were in the airplane that shot the video, none of us are UFO obsessed people. So when we come out and say, because to me, it's just five minutes of my life. I did a lot of really cool things I've been able to do. But when you look at it and go, To me, it wasn't, it's not the pinnacle of my life. You know, to other people that they live in the UFO world and it's like they, you know, if you talk to people that go that are really into it who've never seen one, it kills them that they didn't see one.”

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43. “It was kind of funny, but I had sat down, and it's always funny because some people will try and dominate it, but you know, you have to kind of push the dominators away so that, you know, if you're quiet and introverted, you can ask your question too. So we got into this, and the guy starts naming all these, well, what about this? What about the Phoenix lights? I'm like, I don't know about the Phoenix lights. What about this event? I don't know about that. He goes, he looks at me and he goes, well, you're not a UFO guy. I go, no, I'm not. But I chased one, so I'm an expert. Have you? And you could see him get deflated because I'm kind of a smart ass like that.”

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44. “I'm not either. You want a funny story on that. So I was at a conference. Hopefully he doesn't watch us and get offended. We had this, I call it speed dating. So there was a table with about eight people at a table, and we would go sit at the table and they could ask us questions. And then after 10 minutes, we moved to the next table. So I was speed dating all these people that are really into this.”

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45. “I think there's several. What is it? Rameshon Forest in England, the US guys that saw stuff and actually got radiation burns. One guy was medically disabled, but they weren't going to give him and he got help from John McCain. His office helped get the guys disability reestablished. I think that's a big one. I think there's people out there that have seen stuff, and I'm talking credible because you got to remember there's a huge chunk of these sightings that get disproven. They're actually explainable. You know, you had sent me the question, the Phoenix Lights.”

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46. “Was talking about when I was doing the Tucker thing, and I said, is this would be great? You know, because when the government had come out a month ago and said, hey, this does exist. We're doing this. And we're going to release more stuff. And I was texting Lou and Chris Mellon and those guys before I went on because they had called me up to be on Tucker's show. And I'm like, hey, I go, you know, this would be great. You know, just come out with this. Find the relic of a spaceship. Like pull out the Roswell wreckage if you have it. Pull out the Roswell wreckage and do it. God, it would be so nice to not have to deal with the riots in the cities. And I mean, I know it's an election year and all that, but God, it would be something, it would be refreshing to not have to turn on my TV and see everything that is just depressing in the world. To begin, holy cow, we actually do have this and we're working on this technology.”

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47. “I think it's exciting. I think we live in an exciting time right now. Besides everything that's messed up in the world right now.”

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48. “How much money and time do you waste dealing with the bureaucracy when you could actually be doing real work? That's the difference. This is why I honestly, when I went back to the industrial defense complex that we were warned about when you look at it and go, SpaceX can do something for half the price ahead of schedule that what Boeing were paying Boeing and you go, oh, well, this just came out. And you go, well, then why are we even dealing with this side when we can deal with this side? Because you've got a fully automated capsule that has a manual mode that they got to fly around in. It worked like a champ. It went up. It hung out. It came back. It splashed down. It worked perfectly. You know, we're going to dust it off. And oh, by the way, unlike the Apollo capsules that were used and then put to museums, they're going to reuse that Dragon capsule. It came down. They're going to dust it off, put a new coat of paint on it, slap it on top of another rocket, and away it goes. Holy cow.”

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49. “You know, an hour or two, Elon has bought the guy's company. That guy is now a senior VP running his company, and they're going to pull all the stuff into the SpaceX thing so they can actually build the parts and they can still contract out to make the money outside. And it happened like that fast.”

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50. “They had went to the guy, but he had contracts with other companies, and when the economy was down, the guy was actually looking at going out of business. So the guy I know, he's telling me the story. He was talking to the guy. He had to go over there and get something. And he's like, holy shit, he goes, hang on. So he calls up on the phone, SpaceX. He says, hey, is Elon there? Can you get him in the boardroom? We'll be there in 20 minutes. So he grabs this guy who's literally going to fold his company. They go over to SpaceX, and I may be getting some of this wrong if people are going to fact-check me, but this is pretty close. They go in the boardroom, and he said literally within like”

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