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David Fravor

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“So I'm looking and I'm going, Hey, I'm here, he's there on the other side of the circle. I'm gonna do a vertical displacement. I'm gonna go like this. I'm gonna cut across the circle and I'm not going to him. I'm going out in front of him. I'm going over here because I know that by the time I get through this maneuver, that's where he's going to be. And I'm trying to, you know, basically join up on him. But I also had to look at it to go, do I have enough altitude to do? Because what I didn't, if we're here and I do this, I'm going to end up over here and he's going to be above me. And then, you know, I have to get that energy back to get up to him. And when you're doing a max performance, it's a trade. So you have.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You do because you have to project where you're going to be, so you have to know the performance of the airplane knowing that, hey, if I do this maneuver that I am going to go, it's kind of like when I talk about when we were chasing the tic-tac. So the tic-tac's coming up, and I'm at about, you know, and I've been doing this for at the time 16 years”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Fighting another airplane is to work in the vertical. Because most people will do like one move in the vertical and then they want to start to flatten out because that's where we're comfortable.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Example, the A6, in order to do that, was about 9,000 feet. And we look at a building that's 2,000 feet high and think that is tall. So in aviation sense, when you're starting to do vertical displacement maneuvers going from 35,000 feet down to 20,000 feet in a matter of seconds and maneuvering the airplane, because the human brain thinks we really are. We like to be flat. I see what you mean. We think 2D. So if I'm fighting how you really get an advantage when you're”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very much. And here's why. So we look at, let's look at a tall building, let's look at one World Trade Center in New York because everyone knows what it looks like, big tall building. It's what, maybe 1,800 feet tall. Even the Burger Dubai, which is like, what, 20, some hundred feet tall? It's not that big. So a superhornet to do what a split S is, which is I'm flying, I'm just going to roll the airplane upside down, and then I'm going to do basically a C, the letter C. I'm going to go in the top and out the bottom. And I'm just basically a vertical displacement of the airplane. So I'm going from high to low. It's very, very tight, and it does it in about roughly about 2,500 feet. Give or take a little. So you go, that is a really tight vertical turn.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then you have the outliers, usually not on the high side, because they're going to get through, but the outliers on the low side that don't make it through. So for the most part, the Navy does a really good job, as does the Air Force, of screening. So now what they do, when I went, you just showed up and you started. Now what you do is you actually go fly or warriors low wing to see, are you adaptable to this? And there's an evaluation that goes through. And then if you hit a certain mark, then you're good to go. And then they put you into primary. It's kind of like a pre-check. you know, like the preset, the pre-SAT to go, hey, how am I going to do on the SAT? It's very similar to that, but it's more of a hand skill. Can you adapt? Because although we live in three dimensions, like this table is not, you know, we, this is, you know, this is all has depth with all that. It's really relative to aviation, we are two-dimensional. Very two-dimensional.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“At the bottom, there's the three at the bottom that are going to struggle, and there's a good chance they won't get out. And if they do get out, they're going to have to work really hard to just maintain kind of average. It's there. They're all the bell curve doesn't look real good. It's just a big hump and it comes back down and everyone's right there within one mean deviation.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I'm not saying that everyone, if you took because we used to track, so when I ran, we call it the rag, it's the replacement air group. It's where, so the superhornet training squadron. There's two of them. There's one on the East Coast, 106, and there's one on the West Coast, which is VFA 122. 122 is the first one. So I ended up going there and I ended up being the operations officer and training officer. So we track the last 100 students, right? So everyone goes, ah, it's funny to hear students talk because, oh, he's awesome. He's super. If you took the hundred, there's three at the top of the list that are just naturally gifted aviators. They're well, well, well above average. It's like the person in a math class that sits down in complex math, and they just get it.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You can't tell if you pass another airplane, you can't tell if there's a man or a woman in it. It really comes down to stick and throttle the ability to extrapolate where the vehicle is going to be, where the airplane would be if you're fighting another one. You have to be able to think fast. Anyone has those characteristics can do it. And then I think most important besides that, there has to be a desire.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I had three female, actually four. One of them didn't fly anymore. She actually lives right around here. She ended up going into aircraft maintenance when she couldn't fly anymore. One of the girls who everyone knows is incredibly, she's one of the most gifted people I've ever met in my life. She is the vice president of Amazon Air. You can see her on TV. Her name's Sarah. Incredible. And then I had Paige who ended up taking command. She got out of fighters and went into other platforms. And she was a commanding officer. And then the other one is leadership. And she is all three of them, actually all four of the women that were direct, I'm not forgetting. I don't think I'm forgetting someone. Incredibly, incredibly talented and a great addition to the reading room. So anyone who gets into the, oh, you know, women can't do it. That's all total horse crap. We can talk about the original integration and stuff, which was not done well by the military nor the navy.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, and that's that big question. We just did F 35, it's over budget, it's seven years late. There's all kinds of issues when we try and do it. And then you look at some of the new stuff that's coming out that the Air Force is working on with smaller, cheaper, attitable platforms that you can go, oh, we can, because if you don't put a man in the box or a person because there's a lot of incredibly talented women that do this too, so I'll just say that as person.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“For a long time But you know, typically when you look at it, you go, I had the opportunity, and I think as automation moves on, especially with AI that, you know, when will the last man fighter be built?”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are days I do. When I hear jets, like if I'm around a base or a jet flies over, but I have all the memory, so I can look at it and go, Can't go on forever. Tom Brady can't play football. There's going to come a time where he has to stop”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And now, you know, one of them who is good friends, I won't get his last name, but Joey, who lived down the street from us, is a top gun instructor. And I'm like, hey, Joey's Joey's a top gun. You know, and I'm like, that's cool because, you know, I went there and I knew him he would come down to my house. And now to see these kids that are, because typically military breeds military, you know, because the kids grew up in it. I mean, and the only reason that my son is not doing it is he's colorblind. So it disqualifies you for being a pilot, being a seal, because he talked about doing that because he's an incredible swimmer and he likes doing that stuff and water polo player. But he's, you know, both my kids are, well, my daughter is a doctor and my son's in his third year.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I told myself I wouldn't. I promised myself that once you get through your O5 command, you're flying really starts to come down. Even if you go and you're an airwing commander, which is we call them CAG carrier group commander, you're not flying as much as like the normal pilots, nor should you be. I mean, there's young people that are coming up and it's training your relief because that's the next generation. So like currently I have friends of mine that we serve together, their kids are flying super hoardings, right? So to me, that's really neat because I watched them when they were little.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To fly, you know, at the time when I was flying, the super hornets that we had on our squadron were brand new at like literally right out of the factory. I had come off our first superhornet cruise. We had went to the Boeing factory in St. Louis where they were building my new jets that I was going to get. And I actually signed the inside of one of the wings while they were putting it together. So I'm meeting the people that are putting the jet together that's going to get delivered to me in a couple of months that I'm going to fly.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know it's like roller coasters. You go, Oh, it does all these cool stuff. So we take people flying every once in a while, and it's like, oh, yeah, I like roller coasters. They go, no, take any roller coaster, coolest roller coaster you've ever been on, and multiply it by a thousand. I said, it's an experience, you know, to put your body under, you know, you know, the jets rated at seven and a half, but it'll pull up to 8.1 before it overstresses. Depends on fuel weight. So, I mean, you routinely get up there towards 8Gs. To be able to do that to your body, I mean, it takes a toll. Like, I can't really turn my head real good anymore and stuff like that, but would I trade it? I mean, it was a childhood dream. And how many people get to do that? You know, professional. I want to be an NFL, you know, and you end up to the NFL, which is a very small percentage. Well, I want to fly jets and.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, people ask, you know, I'll be sitting around with my friends, and they're like, How was I? I said, the greatest job on the planet. I said, you know, it's an office with a view because you're sitting in a glass bubble You can do.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it scares you afterwards During it, you don't have time to think about that. You're doing it. You got to do as we know, kind of the quote from Tom Hanks. What's that, the girls baseball movie where he goes, there's no crying in baseball. Well, that's our joke. There's no crying in naval aviation. I said, you can fly around and cry all you want at night, but there's only one pilot in those airplanes and you got to land it. So you can cry all you want, wipe the tears away, you know, put on your big kid pants and it's time to, you know, man up and land the jet.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it comes in, and the exhaust on any A6 or an A6 actually points kind of down, and it blows and it's blowing all the standing water on the aircraft. That's how hard it's raining. And you literally could not see across. I mean, I could see the front of my airplane, his airplane, and then it was just white because of the water being blown off the deck. And I'm shaken and I'll never forget, I looked over at Chris and I said, oh my God, I go, hey, dude, man, 10,000 foot runway looks really good right now. And I go and I'm shaking my hands like this. And I said, I'm not even, this is, I'm not faking this dude. I go, that's literally, I cannot stop shaking. I said, that scared you ever.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And this EA6B comes in, you know, ugly pass. He ends up catching a one wire, which is the first one you never want to catch the first one, which means you're not really high above the back of the ship when you landed”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's, I mean, I remember laying us, I was with Chris Sado, and Chris and I were off the US's Ranger, which is now decommissioned. It's sitting getting turned into razor blades. We're flying the old A6 and we come in and it was off of San Diego and it was just an ugly night because San Diego always has a marine layer that is about 1200 feet, was lower than that that night. And it was pouring down rain. It was in El Nino year and there's thunderstorms all around. It was just the craziest night I've ever seen out of San Diego. And I remember landing and your adrenaline is so high that you're shaking. I mean, you literally can't stop. And we had spun around out of the landing area and we parked, we call it the six-pack. So it's right in front of the island. So if you've seen aircraft carrier to the island and the number of the ship on it, we're sitting right in front of that and we're looking at the landing area. So it's like you get front row seats to the concert.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When it's really bad, you can actually see it move, and we have two systems, you know, there was an automatic system that's actually, it stabilizes with the inertials on the ship. And then there's the ILS now, civilian pilots will tell you that ILS is a precision approach, which gives you azimuth and glide slope. You know, you come down, it's like a plus. On the carrier, it's not. It's really just a beam that goes out and it's considered a non-precision approach. It's not stabilized at all. And I've been where you can actually watch the needle and the tach-cand needle will move. There's all kinds of stuff moving because the base that it's all sitting on is doing this. And ships don't just go up and down. They do this. So the bow goes up and down and the tail like you normally see a ship. And then that's pitch. And then it has roll. So it's doing this. And then it has heave. So the whole boat is going up and down while it's pitching and rolling. And you're going to land on that.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The problem with night is, and there's different degrees of night just like day. I mean, there's the clear full moon night, you know, where it's like, You know, this is not that bad. But you got to remember at night, I think everyone can associate with your driving in your car and it's just an overcast dark night and you're on a country road with no sidelights. Most people have a tendency to slow down just by nature of, oh my God, because what you'll do is you'll out drive your headlights because it is so dark. And you can get outside of the city and get up into New Hampshire, especially when the roads are curving and the lines probably aren't that good. Now take that and multiply it by like a million because you have no depth perception. What you think is fixed the runway is actually moving.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is if you even, they used to wire people up, they did it during Vietnam, you know, guys would go flying missions when they were flying low and crazy stuff was going on and people were getting shot down a lot. The highest anxiety and heart rates were coming back to land on board an aircraft carrier.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wouldn't say I was never afraid. I think that would be, I couldn't tell you that anyone I know that wasn't afraid at one time. And for most of us, especially Navy carrier pilots, it's just, it's usually, especially when you're new and you got to go out and it's nighttime and there's no moon and the weather sucks and the deck's moving's going up and down because it will scare love ever living shit out of you. Can I say that?”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I can't speak for him, but I would say there was so much going on into cockpit in that time. His mindset was probably, I can do this, I'm trained. I'm going to do the procedures. I've practiced this before. I've done these things. And I'm assuming that in his mindset, because I never thought about when things were really bad, you know, if you're having problems with the airplane that, you know, that I was going to mort, you know, and plant it into the ground, it was always, you know, maybe it's an ego thing where you think I can do this.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And of course, the weather's never good, it's always dark, it's always crappy, you're going to break out at. I mean, it's just all this stuff gets compiled on top of you and it's intended to increase the level of stress because when things happen like in Sully's case, we like to joke it's going to stem power, you know, where the functional part of your brain shuts down and you are literally on instinct like an animal. Well, if you've trained so much that that is the instinctive reaction that you're going to have when the main part of your cognitive abilities start to shut down, you're running that instinct is ingrained so much into you that you know exactly what to do. And that's literally how it happens.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's every six months for commercial, they go back and they do research in the airplane in the simulator. Were they trained to the airplane being broken? You just lost a motor. You just lost another motor. So they go through this extensive training, you know, and all these, and it's, you know, we used to refer to it in the Navy as the Pain Cave where you're going to get in. Because you know that when you get in for your check ride in a simulator that the airplane is going to break, you're going to lose. And sometimes they're a problem. Like, oh, I just lost this hydraulic system, but I'm having an issue on the other motor. Well, if I shut down this motor and I've got a hydraulics, you know, because there's two hydraulic systems, one on each motor. Well, if I've got an issue with the left motor hydraulic system and my right motor is starting to give me indications, do I want to shut the right motor down? Because that's going to kill my hydraulic system that's good. And now I'm flying on a good motor with a bad hydraulic system and with a hydraulics airplane won't fly. So there are challenging problems that you have to think through in real time.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Gone. So the Jersey Airport and going back to LaGuardia gone. So, what's my next option? Well, the Hudson River's there, and that's probably looking pretty good. Or what is my other one? Can I get a restart on the motors? And then if I can get a restart, now can I take it someplace else? He had to make really, really fast decisions. And then once they, as they go, that 80% solution, you realize, all right, I'm going into the Hudson. There's the 80% get the book out. Let's see if we can get an air start. Because if you listen to tapes or trying to get it air started, the closer he gets to the water, the more he's going, I'm ditching the airplane. So the original decision to, this is my best option right now. This is where I'm going. And you start eliminating anything that could possibly change the events, which they tried to do. And then he gets to that last minute. He says, we're going in the water. They change the plan. They secure the airplane. They do exactly what they're doing. And he does that basically.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, when you look at what he did or the way we trained, because the commercial industry and the Navy and the Air Force for all that, we have what's called, we have emergency procedures that we have to know, like engines on fire, the first three steps, you just have to know what they are, right? So they know. The airline, same type, you know, they go, hey, I know this is. They pull the book out because the airplanes are designed. They're built to have some time. But there's a point where you have to make a decision and you can't second guess it. So when he decided, I'm putting this in the Hudson River, he couldn't all of a sudden halfway through it go, well, maybe I can get over to that airport. He looked, he made a quick assessment. This is that 80% solution where you go, these are not, you know, it's like a multiple choice test when you go, oh my God, I don't really know the answer. But I know A and D are wrong.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tapes, but they're also talking to the air traffic controllers in the New York area. And it's like, we got a bird strike, and the first officer already knows, hey, silence the alarm. They silence the alarm. The first officer is pulling out the book. He's going through the procedures while Sully's actually flying the airplane, knowing that they've lost their motors. And you got to think his decision process. Like they're trying to get him to go into an airport into New Jersey. And he realizes, not happening, we're going to put this thing. And he made a decision soon enough so that he could prepare everyone on the airplane that he was going to put this thing in the Hudson River. And he did it flawlessly. I mean, every single person walked away from that wreck. The only thing that didn't survive was the airplane, you know, and it got fished out of the Hudson.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And all of those things. It increases the capability of the airplane. It's not to say we can't swap out, but for true effectiveness, especially in very complex missions like Ford Air Controller, we're in the air actually controlling ground assets and supporting ground troops. If you're in a high threat area, which is crazy busy, you have to be melded when you do that. You have to have trained to do that job. Otherwise, you're going to be ineffective. When you get to the commercial world, and I've got tons of friends that fly commercial, there is a standardization. Like we know that at this point, I'm going to put this switch. You're going to do that. And everyone, they know their rules. Captain's going to do this. First officer's going to do this. And they know that when the emergency breaks out. So in Sully's case, when they take the birds and they know they've got a problem, and if you've listened to the cockpit recordings of him, the two of them talking, you know, you got to remember they're talking to each other when you hear the...”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's very similar to what I was talking about earlier with the A6. So, one is when you're flying with a crew, there's standardization. So you got to remember when Sully flew when his first officer, that's the co-pilot, showed up, you know, first time they'd met. And this happens all the time in the commercial world. You know, there's six, seven thousand pilots at United Airlines. You know, your chance of flying with the same guy all the time is slim and none. We're in the Navy, we recrued. So I had a primary and a secondary wizo that flew with me.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I can do that. So you can do some crazy things now, especially since the flight control logic in modern airplanes with digital flight controls, they're extremely forgiving. So you can literally, I've done things in Super Hornets that literally even as a pilot inside the airplane, you're just like, wow, I cannot believe it just did that. Like it'll flop ends, which defies most logic. And I guess in a way, you could probably program it, but I still think when you get to the edges that may or may not give you an advantage, there are things that a human will do that AI won't. And I don't think we've got to the point because how do you map illogical solutions? You know, most AI is logical. It's based on some type of premise when you write the algorithm to control it. There's bounds.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So if you take an airplane and say, and I'll just take a hornet for a while, a super hornet, it doesn't matter any airplane, and you go, here is the flight performance model of the airplane. So if you know an EM diagram is the energy. So it basically says the airplane can fly as slow as this. It can go as fast as this. It can pull this many G's force of gravity. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. And then based on the airfoil design and everything else and how it can pull, here's how it's going to fly, you know, because it's really physics-based. Well, if you, depending on how you write the AI, but typically AI, you don't want the airplane to leave controlled flight, right? You want to maintain it so that it is flying in a controlled envelope where there are times, and you can go back to World War I, where people intentionally departed the airplane. from controlled flight in order to obtain an advantage, which is that's where the human goes, can I do this? I know it's outside of where I would normally go.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I would say AI systems are usually black and white. When you write the algorithm for an AI system, it's really, it's basically you're taking thought and turning it into a giant math problem is really what you're doing. So you've got this logical math problem. Math problems are there's a line. It says I can or I can't. And it's a very finite line, you know, but you can go up to the line where a human we all have gray areas where we go maybe I'll try it. So humans cannot.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I got it. We're going to have to menstrate coordinates. And you bring back the data, and then they do all the targeting for it, and then they send another group out to get it instead of all that now fast.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, if he's got control of the targeting pod and he looks left, the targeting pod looks left. But if I have something where I want to lock a guy up that I don't see that maybe the radar didn't see, but I can get over and now point the radar, you know, get the, because it's a phase array radar. Now it doesn't really scan. There's all kinds of cool stuff that technology brings because if you'd went back 30 years and said, hey, or 40 years ago and said, hey, we're going to have this helmet and you're going to be able to slew everything to your head. And I don't mean a mechanical setup, but I mean literally you're just going to map magnetic resonance and go, oh, look. And I can literally slew my sensors this fast and then mash a button and transfer high quality coordinates from a system into a joint, you know, a JDAM, which is a joint direct attack munition that is the GPS bombs at UC all the time. And then let that thing fly. And I'm solving this problem in seconds, vice minutes. Or, hey,”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The AI piece would be more of a control loop because the digital flight controls, so the airplane actually, they had to make the airplane easier to fly. And when I say easy, it's relative because people go, I could do it because I did it on flight sim. Real life is a lot different. In FlightSim, you have no apparent fear of death. You'll do things on a simulator that you would never do in real life. But the autonomy in the airplane to allow you to manage, I mean, because you think about it, you've got a radar that's feeding you data. You've got a targeting pod that's feeding you data. All that stuff is hooked to your head because you've got a joint helmet modic queuing system on that basically maps the magnetic field in the cockpit so it can tell where your head's at looking. So if I turn my head to the right, the radar will actually look to the right, the targeting flare will look to the right. And oh, by the way, the back seater has a helmet on too, so he can look to the left and he can do things. So depending on what sensor he's controlling.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because it's happening so fast, and this is where that autonomy piece, this is the third brain. So we're all looking at it, and the third brain is doing fusion. It's pulling stuff together, going, oh, this is all this guy, this is this guy, this is this guy, it's sending it out through the link so all the airplanes are talking to each other through this digital network that we don't even see. It just says that airplane says, hey, I'm over here, and it tells us, and we go, oh, he's right there, and then we can go, his airplane says, oh, I'm looking at this airplane, this bad guy, and it shows us, oh, he's he's over there and he's looking at this guy. I mean, it's an incredible amount of visual intake because your eye, you can hear a lot, but when you look down at stuff, it's, you know, you can sell the picture really quick.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I can see where everything's at. I can see if one guy's trying to target another guy, it shows you all this. It's an incredible amount of knowledge that comes up for the crews to maintain the overall picture of what's going on.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think of it as a God's eye view. So if you have the back of the superhorn it has, well, the Block 2s has about an 8x10 display for the wizos that they can look at. The pilots is smaller. It's down between as it's a 6x6 between his legs and they're getting ready to redesign that Boeing is. But when you looked, it'd be like if you put your airplane and you're looking down, so all the stuff, like if you radar seeing bad guys out in front of you, it'd be like looking down, going, oh, I'm right here. And oh, there's bad guys out here. And my wingman is over here, and it shows everything. It's just like it gives you, you can look at that display and go, oh.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you're flying. So now, you know, the wizow is behind us, and we're not doing those night low levels, but that same type of crew coordination that has to happen. Because what you're doing is you're sharing the load, so most of the communications that go out of the airplane, the wizard does all the talk, and he's got actually, he uses his feet. That's the weapon systems operator in the back of an F-18F. So he's going to run the radar kind of runs itself now, but we have a situational awareness display and it's linked to all the other airplanes.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was reflecting off the clouds and it starts to bother you, just gets annoying. So I turned it off and we were flying, we're flying, we're flying. We break out of that coastal marine layer. And poof, we break out. And it's a decent night. And this is right by Mount St. Helens. This is kind of where we're coming in. So we're coming in from the east and we're just north of Mount St. Helens is where the route goes. And you look up, you know, because you can kind of see the silhouette of this mountain that's right next to you, but you're flying along. You're just like, you know, you got to trust. And you can see houses. You can see the lights. They're above you. We're literally below people's houses flying down these valleys and stuff. So just incredible experience. So when you take that and then you move into an F-18F. So now we're into modern technology that was actually built in this century.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very quick. Well, you're doing we would typically fly between 420 and 480 knots of ground speed Well, 27 miles a minute. Between seven and eight miles a minute is what you're flying At night. I mean, I've broke out of clouds. I mean, I remember him and I flying. We were on its IR, it's called an IR route, an instrument route that's low. They're all around the country. There's the IR 344 that we used to fly, which would coast in off of Oregon. Fly from the land. You go out over the ocean, turn around, and then you could practice actually coming in on a coastline. And we were flying. We ended up in the clouds. Keep in mind, we're between 500 and 1,000 feet in the mountains, and we're in the clouds. You can't see anything. And I had to turn off our red lights that flash. You know, they're called the anti-collision lights.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Chris could go, I'm showing, and he'd get like rising out, and before he finished, I'd say, I've got it. So you end up starting to talk in partials because I have to trust him. Like, I mean, there can be no, I can have no doubt that he knows how to do his job. Because I'm literally looking at this little scope that's not giving me this continuous picture of that mountain moving. Remember the mountains here and then it's going to pop up here and then it's going to pop up here because there's gaps in the coverage on how the system was set up. Remember it's an analog system to where he is telling me like I can't see all the way to the left and he's got a wider scope on the radar, but my screen doesn't show that. So he's telling me start a left turn.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Most junior crew in the squadron, we'd spent a lot of time training. And Chris was amazing at how he could work the system. One, because he was extremely brilliant and he had that inquisitive mind of, oh, we could do all these different things. And there's all these degradation modes. But we spent a lot of time to see how good we could actually. I've got rising terrain. That's just what they say Sean, rising terrain at 12 miles. And I'd see the little bump, and I'd say, got it. This is going to go to your question on the autonomy and how you work with two heads. So, when you first get together, the interaction, it's almost like you have to rehearse it, you have to know. And you talk in full sentences. The more and more we fly together.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You're exactly right. And you have to train. So there's been studies. As a matter of fact, a lot of the basis, and people probably argue with me, but it's true. There were studies done watching ASICs crews in our simulators. We called it the WIST, the weapon systems trainer. And it was not even emotion. It just kind of sat there and you could fly these things and they had train that they would inject into the system. But the crew coordination, so you get, so my first fleet bombardier navigator who I'll name him, his name's Crusado. He works at Apple pretty high up, MIT grad. I think computer engineering, he's scary, smart. So Chris could really work. As a matter of fact, all the guys I flew, so there's another guy, Matt, who also worked at Apple, who's now at SAP. We did our first night traps together. The bond between us, I mean, it's one of those things that you just, you're never going to forget, but Chris and I, when we started flying together, we were actually...”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then, as I got closer to it, the next rangeman would pop up and show it. And I could see that that bump was moving towards me. And then if I turned a little bit to go over here, I'd see the mountain go over to the right-hand side and I could do that. But it wasn't like a video game. It's literally like, if you think of the original Atari's.”
2020-09-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #122 – David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source