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  1. Like a light ball, you know, some type of perception, you know, their experience, like plasma, you can do plasma and you can go, oh, I can see it, but it's really not, you know, it's plasma. I don't think so.

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  2. I don't think it's an ice cloud because ice clouds don't fly around. And react to you. Do I think it was a light? I'd say no because of the aspects and what we looked and watched it do. I'd say no. What do you mean by light?

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  3. Could be. I mean, think about it if you're going to hide on this planet What's the least explored spot? On the planet, two thirds of it's the ocean. There's literally, I mean, come on, the Malaysia airplane, there was a triple seven that crashed. They turned. They didn't go where they're supposed to and they just disappeared and they've been searching for it. And they found pieces of it. But you would think there's large objects that...

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  4. We all have the same recollection of what happened. You know, there's some details because it's so long ago, but for the most part, we know what we saw and we all came back and looked at each other like, what the hell was that?

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  5. If we were both sitting next to each other, we were looking at it from the exact same angle and all that, and I go, okay, there's in theory, you could have that. But with an 8,000 foot altitude difference flying, you know, and she's probably not directly above me. She's kind of hanging out watching this whole thing happen. You know, you're getting two different perspectives from two different altitudes over a clear blue. You know, if you've ever been at sea, and I don't mean like coastal, I mean like when you get out at sea, the ocean is the bluest. It's incredible. You know, you got a bright white object over a deep blue ocean. You got pretty high contrast. And for this thing just to disappear, it wasn't, I'm telling you, I would, I mean, I know we.

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  6. I am inside. I have the stick. I have the throttles. I've got my wizow in the back seat. He's running all the displays. We are a team. We're in the state-of-the-art airplane, you know, brand new. You feel pretty good. And then you get something that, you know, can climb from the surface up and then accelerate like it did. Like it was like no big deal. For an airplane, if you just put me from a stencil, let's say slow flight. Just get me at 100 knots above the water. And for me, you can't just start a climb. I'd have to lower the nose. I'd have to accelerate and then I'd have to start coming up and... This thing just did it like it was like no big deal.

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  7. Especially as long as much time as I'd spent inside the airplane flying and doing stuff, I felt totally, it was like a safe zone. I mean, I felt totally comfortable inside the airplane as most, you can't, if you're in the airplane and you feel scared, it's not the job for you. You have to feel that because the airplane is part of you now.

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  8. But once we started to descend and it actually reoriented its longitudinal axis and it started mirroring us coming up, then it was obviously where we were there and it was really coming up just, you know, you figure I'm at 20 and it's coming up and it ends up getting up to 12 where I cut across the circle. I think it was very aware that we were there because it interacted. We call it a two-circle fight when you're fighting another airplane. You know, was it Were we afraid? I don't think so. I mean, to me, it was more curious. The curiosity overcomes any fear that you would have. And I always felt, to be honest, if I was inside the airplane.

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  9. Talking to the Dolphins. Yeah, it was whatever, you know, because it was hanging around that whitewater, and I don't know if there was something there, was there seamount, we just didn't find it again. I don't know.

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  10. So, as we were up high, and it's down doing whatever it was doing, you know. I don't know if someone asked, what do you think? I don't know, maybe it was communicating with something. I joked on good morning America. Maybe it's like talking to the whales kind of like Star Trek, you know. And I actually used that clip. It was kind of funny. Yeah, we're

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  11. So, one I think it knew we were there when we showed up. It's me. It's kind of like an animal. If you've ever been around deer in a field, you know, the deer will look up. And if it sees you and you're on the other side of the field, it'll actually go no threat and it'll start eating, you know, they don't put their tail up because you move closer to the deer, then it goes, oh, it's there and I'm going to react or I'm going to move.

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  12. You know, we don't see there's no wings, no visible propulsion, no windows. Probes that we could see, we don't notice, like I said, we don't see the little things on the bottom of it until we see the video in the TV mode when it zoomed in right before it's shortly. You kind of see them zoom in. You don't see it typically on the YouTube stuff that's out there.

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  13. Yeah, if you look at it back at the time, don't we look at it now and go, well, the guy was a walking genius, and he was. But if you go back in time when he was doing it, it was like, what are you talking about? You know, and, but.

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  14. It's just human nature. If we can't, if we see something that we can't explain, then sometimes if you just, maybe it's just me and you let it go away and you don't think about it, you know, maybe it'll just, you know, it's just you ignore it. The other side is the inquisitive mind that says, Well, what was that? And I want to dig more into it. And if you look at it or you're going against the norm, you can get ostracized. And if you look at, you know, Einstein's the perfect example. I mean, when he started coming up with some of his theories, some of the top physicists in the world were like, dude, you're a nut job. And he's literally proving them, but he didn't have, you know, he proved them in theory, but he didn't have the means to actually do the experiment to prove his theory.

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  15. Well, honestly, the military and the press, there's a distrust. I'll just tell you that right now. We typically don't like talking to the press. Because if I talk to you, you know, especially when I do, even the TV shows, you know, because I've been on a couple of shows, when you look at it, you know, they come to my house and they film me for two hours. And then what you see on the screen is five minutes.

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  16. Remember when the situation before it comes off the ship, that's like third hand. So we tell someone, they tell someone that person has to write it up. So there's all kinds of inaccuracies in it But then there's the unofficial fish report that's actually pretty well written. There's some errors in it, but it was, you know, I didn't help write it. I just did it. And he did a really good job of researching it and figuring out who's who in the zoo and the players. So she called me and said, Is there anything out there? And I said, officially out there, she said, Yes, I said, I don't know anything. I knew of the unofficial official report, which is that one, but I'm not, you know, if you don't know about it, I'm not going to tell you because that's not my job. And nor did I care.

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  17. So, what's funny is the unofficial official report that I joke about The guy who wrote the unofficial official report was actually an original member of ATIP. And the original stuff that ATIP did was FOIA exempt. And people go, how do you know that? I go, because I stood there with the memo in my hand that said these are, literally, I watched the DoD memo that said it and it was signed. He was one. So that's why I call it the unofficial official report. It was never releasable because people go, oh, I put in a FOIA request and I didn't get that. I go, well, just because you put in a FOIA request didn't get it. I go because how much time do you think that guy's going to spend to get you the information that you requested if he can't find it? I actually got called by the Navy. I had a commander in a Navy call me about right before the article came out in the New York Times. This was starting to come back and she had called me because there's been there was a FOIA request for stuff about the Nimitz incident. And I said, do you know of anything? She called me. She goes, do you know of anything else besides the situation reports that come off the ship?

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  18. Mine is to get away from the little green men, divorce the two little green men. And, you know, and I've talked to Lue Elizano about this and the group that they're working with, which is incredible. I mean, they've got Steve Justice who used to run skunk works where they built projects.

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  19. We've proven that. So you look at that way and you go, Well, does that mean that 70 years ago Einstein was wrong or 80 years ago Einstein was wrong? Or do you go, we just didn't have the ability to look that deep into space to actually find something that we could to actually measure. And, you know, and I've seen that's just a hundred.

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  20. Because we are, it's just how we learn. So, you know, our main mode of transportation and what people figured out, you know, years ago was the internal combustion engine, which led us to jet engines and solid rocket fuel. What if you're in another planet where you figured out the ability to create a gravity field or you used, you know, because electromagnetics are becoming bigger and bigger and bigger, you know? We are just now proving recently theories that Einstein had where people actually joked about them. And now we actually have the technology to prove that gravity can bend light.

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  21. We as humans, you know, and even more as Americans, we have this hubris about us that says we are it. And you go, not so much.

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  22. The point where it actually went to discredit to make you look. So there's always been this, I don't know if you'd call it an aura around it or a mystique about UFOs that if you're talking about them, they're nuts. With ours, because I'm not a UFO guy. I'm not a junkie. If you ask me, do I believe that there's life outside of Earth, I would say you probably have a better chance of winning the Mega Ball lottery than we're the only planet that has life on it in the universe. It just, the odds are against it. If you're, if you do, just do the math, you have to accept. If there only has to be one other planet that has life on it, then I win and you lose.

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  23. Well, I think that's the first step. We have done in this country an absolutely terrible job with these things. So you go, and I joke, you know, go back to Roswell. So the first reports that came out of Roswell was we have this crash flying saucer. That's literally what came out. And then magically the next day, it's a weather balloon and they're showing your pieces of Mylar. And you go, well, that doesn't look like what they showed us yesterday. Then you get into Project Blue Book. You know, so there's that whole series about Project Bluebook. But the bottom line of Project Blue Book is it really did two things. It investigated sightings and it did everything it could to debunk and disprove.

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  24. People, he's one of the first people I'll go to. When I did Tucker Carlson about a month ago, month and a half ago, he texted me. I texted him, Tom, Lou to go, hey, They were like, you got to do it because I turned Tucker down a couple times before and his producer had called me and I'm like, all right, I'll do it because those guys like, you gotta, you got to do this for us.

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  25. That's the Tom DeLong group that got started. So, and you go, well, you know, because I think Tom has caught a lot of crap for this, but he's actually, when you talk to him, he's very smart. And I ask him, how'd you get into this? And he goes, oh, when I was traveling around with Blink 182, he goes, you read a lot of books when you're laying in a van as you're driving to your next gig before you make it big. And he goes, and he was reading books and he read one of them on UFOs. I'm trying to think the title. That's one of the big ones that's out there real popular. So he started just, he started asking Moore and through his fame with Blink 182 in the band, he got more and more connected. You know, if you talk to Chris Mellon, who is an Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and he's part of the Mellon dynasty, you know, from Carnegie Mellon type, very, very smart. He knows he definitely knows how the government works because he worked there. And so when I went down to DC to talk to people,

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  26. Because they're persistent. So I'm pretty particular. I mean, the reason I'm talking to you is because I knew we would have a conversation that wasn't based just on the Tic Tac and the incident, but we could actually talk about. Some of the science and some of the theoretical to get into get more people involved to go Because I think there's, you know, and when you talk to Lou Elizondo or Chris Mellon, the group at TTSA, that whole thing was that's to the Stars Academy.

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  27. And then the other crew. So the pilot of the airplane that took the video that Chad was in, if you talk to that individual, they really don't have the recollection. They were just out flying that day and it wasn't a big deal. So you need to protect because not everyone wants people knocking. I don't want people knocking on my door. And, you know, and there's rumors, oh, you talk to everyone. I think you're about the 23rd person that I've talked to total. And that includes the newspapers and stuff. And I've been selective because there's so much. I mean, if I turn down Russian TV, I can give you her name when we're done here. She called, she not only called me, she called my wife. She called my daughter. She called my son and she called my son-in-law.

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  28. I said, okay, the report is now out because Harry Reid got it to George Knapp, and they were good enough to redact it, but there's a few versions of it unredacted, and I'm very protective of the other people that were involved in this. So Jim has talked, but he's off the grid. He doesn't talk to anyone now. The pilot of his airplane, she has come out unidentified, but they don't release her name, although people are starting to do it. And she's had weird shit happen around her house. She's got kids, you know, so I'm very protective of her. And I've told people like Jeremy and George, if I know that names ever came from you, I will never talk to you again about this. And Jeremy's been really good about it. And so has George. But George Nougare, the names were because he had, he got the report from Senator Reed.

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  29. I gotten a call on my cell phone from a guy, government employee, and said, hey, told me who he was. He's still in the government. I'm friends with him. And he said, hey, we're going to investigate your tic-tac thing. This is literally five years later. Yeah, five years later. And I said, okay, whatever. And he did a pretty good job. I caught the unofficial official report because... Was really never official. It wasn't, but I'll give you the history of why I say that and why it never came out in FOIA requests. So he does the report. He sent me the report. And all he said is, hey, I'm going to send you this report. Please don't distribute this report.

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  30. To the bottom information. So when you see it, because he's coming almost co altitude with it, you can see the bottom of it. It looks like little, you know, like if you look at Assessment, there's a little antennas hanging out of the bottom. Kind of like that. There was two little things out of the bottom. There's nothing on the top. There was no plume, no IR, no visible propulsions, even heat signature. You know, it's all that stuff. And then the other thing that people didn't see is they didn't see the radar display. That really raises the classification level, especially to see what the radar does when it's being jammed. You know, matter of fact, when Let me think about 2009.

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  31. But you could see. So when you get to the TV mode, when I say there's little things coming out of the bottom of it, you could see those. It was very clear.

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  32. You put it on, so we're instead of looking at it on your tiny little computer monitor or whatever, I'm looking at it on a 19 inch because it was still normal TVs back there. We had just put flat screens in the reading room that I had bought so we could watch movies.

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  33. I would doubt it because I don't know where the stuff that the government released, I don't know where they got it. Okay, so the stuff that was on Strangeland and YouTube, you know, someone pulled off of a secret, it looks like a rack. There's tape machines in there and it gets converted to digital and stored on a hard drive and they pulled it off that hard drive and they put it on YouTube. It's just like, you know, anytime even a digital media, the more you copy digital media, there's some quality that it degrades. So this, you don't know how many times this has been copied. So we were looking, the videos I've seen are right off the original. They're high eight tapes that's basically pulled off the back of the display so it's not filmed with cameras. It's literally a digital feed that's pulled off the back and put onto a high eight tape. That's how the recorders work. Now it's actually digital to digital. It's not even on tapes anymore. It's a digital recording system, but we were still in that process of slowing up because originally we had little cameras here that shine. So if the light hit, it would wash out the displays. So this is a pretty good feed.

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  34. And I left. I had the tapes. So, this no one came out. There's no flying going on when all this is happening. And I took the tapes back. And then I copied the tapes. So I took two brand new 8mm tapes and I copied the sections that I want. So there's a rumor too that, oh, the original Flear video is 10 minutes long and there's one of these petty officers is saying I saw it. That's total crap. The original video is about a minute, 30 seconds long. What you see on the release video is the entire video

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  35. Literally what I told him. And I said, and if your boss has an issue, he can come and see me because it's not going to go well. I said, because it's bullshit and I need those tapes. Then he literally walked right over to a filing cabinet, opened it up. They weren't in a safe. He opened up a filing cabinet and pulled them out and hand them to me. I said, and I basically said a few things to him, like, don't ever fuck with me again.

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  36. Came down and said, Hey, we need the tapes. These guys are going to come and get them. So we're like, I'm like, oh, whatever. So we hand them the tapes. And then someone, because I have, you know, you know people, shortly after they came and got the tapes, someone came to me and said, you know, they're messing with you. They're playing a joke. So I said, oh, well, let's see how well that goes because, you know, I'm a CEO and they're not. And so I went down to Civic. And I think he was a lieutenant or a lieutenant JG. So he's way junior to me. And I said, hey, I want my tapes back. And he looks at me and I go, I know you guys are pulling my leg. I know there's no one came out. And I go, and you have about 30 seconds to get me my tapes before I start tearing this place apart.

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  37. Well, they did. So here's the joke. So they had come down right, we had the tapes, and they were Chad's tapes. So we use those tapes over and over again. You know, they're consumable, but remember, I have a budget as a squadron, so I have a budget. So I have to buy those tapes. All that stuff that we use, I'm accountable for. And the tapes are actually classified secret because of the data that's on them. So we had the tapes. So the intelligence guys, the Intel officers, came down from what's called Civic, CVIC, which is carrier intel center.

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  38. No, no one came out of the helicopter. No one came out on an airplane. You get, oh, I was told to turn over this classified. What's funny is all the COs and several of them are still in the Navy. There's one that I think he just finished up. He was a captain of an aircraft carrier. So he'll end up making Admiral and all that stuff. Those guys are all my friends. I talked to them daily.

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  39. To me, it wasn't that big of a deal. It was like, okay, that was weird. We're never going to know what it was. I want to get out because this is important because there's all kinds of rumors. There's a group of folks that...

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  40. I'll tell you what, three days we had the incident. For about two days, they played the goofy movies. There's a comic on the back of the air wing schedule that they would put. It was like, first one was a far side and the second one was... Me and the guy in my back seat, and it was men in black, but it had our names, you know, protecting the protecting the Nimitz battle group type stuff. It was just funny shit like that.

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  41. You got to tell the story. So he's literally having a dinner party with his cell phone in the middle of the table as I tell a TikTok story. So he calls me up again. One of the guys when we were junior officers on the USS Ranger, one of the apartment heads of the other squadron is a guy nasty. And Nasty was notorious for coming in into Tomcat and cranking off the shit hot break. So he literally wrote a thing about the shithot break with Nasty and there's another guy or Mav was one of our landing signals officers for the air wing. It's a good article on how this was and how it kind of forms you in naval aviation. It's kind of being kind of part of club. He's like, I got to write about this thing. I'm like, what do you guys? I got to write about it. I go, all right. I go, because at first I would say no. I'm like, dude, I don't want this out. They're just.

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  42. And he answers the phone, but I can hear people in the background. And I go, Hey, dude, what's going on? He goes, Hey, hang on. I got to put you on speakerphone. I go, What are you putting me on speak? He goes, You got to tell a story. I'm having a dinner party.

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  43. Shoot the shit, take about the first 10 minutes to catch up, and then it's like old times, and it's amazing how fast this happened. So I'm out to dinner with Matt, and I'm telling him this story. And he's like, get out of here. So he goes back and he tells our friend Paco. Paco has fightersweep.com. It's a blog site. So Paco's obsessed. Like, he is way into UFOs. Yeah. So Paco calls me up and says, Dude, I was talking to Maddie. That's what we call him. He goes, I was talking to Maddie. He goes, dude, you got to tell me this story. So I'm like, all right, so I spend a chunk of time. And so he calls me one day. And I'm like, I get a voicemail. Hey, give me a call. So I call him

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  44. And these are guys that literally, you know, I don't talk to them on a regular basis like Chris, who works at Apple. If Chris called me up tomorrow and said, dude, I need help. I need this. I'd be like, all right, let's figure this out and let's do it because it's their like family. You do it. And most Navy guys, we don't send letters to each other weekly. I have friends that could, I haven't talked to in 10 years that they showed up on my door. Pop a bottle of wine, grab a beer.

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  45. So it gets on YouTube, which was cool because I would go out with my friends and we'd be drinking and they go, dude, what's the coolest thing you ever saw flying? You know, it's kind of like you were asking what it's like. And I go, oh, dude, I chased the UFO. And they're like, get out. And I'm like, no, seriously. So this is literally how it happened. So I was sitting with my friend Matt. So Matt and I did our, he was the guy in my right seat of the A6 when I did my very first night trip, right? And we were friends to this day, right? Because when you do stuff like people like that, I had to have faith in him. He had to have faith in me. You know, they become like your brother.

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  46. Which is not suitable for work. Oh, yeah, it's top notch. And he says. I can remember the email. Hey, Skip, does this look familiar And I look at it, I'm like, how the hell did that get on strangeland.com? So, next thing you know, it ends up on YouTube, which was cool because you can send a YouTube link to someone. You don't send strangeland.com to someone because you don't know what you're going to get. It's like Googling Kittens.

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  47. No, I got the guy that was in my back seat sent me an email and I had retired. So this is about, no, because I was working down in San Diego. So this is about 2008, early 2009.

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  48. Yeah, and he wants to get as much data as he can on it based on the different modes instead of just staring at it going, What is that thing? Granted, so the video has been out. It actually was on YouTube for years. Before the government released it,

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  49. He goes through all the modes, so there's a narrow, medium, and wide, so wide as far away, medium, and then narrow. And then there's the TV mode. And he goes from IR mode to the TV mode. The cool thing with the TV mode is narrow IR mode is only medium TV mode. So you can actually get closer with narrow TV mode. It's got a better zoom capability when you go into TV mode. So he goes through all those things. And that's when you see it going from a black background to a white background. He's

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  50. And now he's on a passive track because he's not literally sending any energy out. He's just receiving iron energy from the tic-tac. And then the system itself will track the pixels and the contrast differences. It depends on what mode you're in. So it says, oh, and that's where those little bars you see in the video where the bars come up left and right.

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