Robbie Butler
Lagan Valley · Ulster Unionist Party · Northern Ireland
“Officials highlighted that alignment was provided through existing EU-derived arrangements and that coherence with existing regulatory frameworks was identified as a main consideration.”
“I note that the Member for Strangford agrees: she understands the value of our fisheries in those areas. There are other complexities. The Isle of Man Government have now done a bit of a circle around that island, which makes it difficult for our fishers from Portavogie, Kilkeel and Portaferry to craft and graft a living from some of the…”
“The Committee took the opportunity to question officials on several issues and highlight matters warranting scrutiny at Committee Stage but was not limited to those areas.”
“As the Minister said, they have possibly been viewed as competing demands, but they are not competing demands, because clean water is part of sustainable food production.”
“<BR /> <BR />I am glad to see language in the Bill on the sustainability of the aquaculture sector, and I want to lean in a bit on that. Aquaculture pastimes have, perhaps, been underutilised, whether they relate to the angling fraternity or other river and water users.”
“Today, I want to talk about a very talented young girl from Lisburn called Freya Terris. Freya, who is 17 years old, attends Friends' School and studies the piano under former Lisburn resident Rory Dowse. Freya is an incredibly accomplished young pianist and has performed in the Ulster Hall.”
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“I thank the Member for her intervention. The Member did not engage with my point. I talked about using the word "unionist". I suggest that someone looks through Hansard and Twitter to see how many times the word "nationalist" is used to describe either Sinn Féin or the SDLP. It is probably zero. However, she has no problem with the use of the word "unionist" to talk about unionist parties. <BR /> <BR />Back to the matter under debate. A unionism that does not cherish the environment or speak to the truth of climate change is not strong. I suggest that it is brittle. We see the devastation caused by the wildfires, the scorched fields, the blackened hills and the exhausted firefighters, and yet we hear the commentary today about the fiscal appropriation of what we are trying to do. Where is the depth? Where is the sincerity?”
“That is the honest truth. I am going to speak the truth, and I am going to speak for a unionism that is not in denial. It is a unionism that speaks to reality head-on. I am disappointed with the Chair of the Executive Office Committee for othering unionism. I will put that in context. I asked the Chair to clarify her statement and her use of the word "unionist" to describe a homogenous group of people. Unionists are free thinkers, and that is probably why we have a number of parties: because we are not afraid to speak out on important issues. I hope that the Chair reflects on that.”
“I am often asked why I joined the Ulster Unionist Party and not the DUP, particularly when I am interviewed by young people. It is because of moments such as this, and that is the honest truth.”
“Would the Member like to reflect on her statement where she rolled all unionists into one? You talked about the DUP at the start of your statement, which was fine. However, we have not had the chance to speak in the debate yet, and you have just said, "unionists". Would you like to reflect on that statement, please?”
“If we are serious about addressing economic inactivity, we must take a cross-departmental approach that focuses on early intervention, education and genuine employment support for disabled people. To give the Minister some credit — I know; it pains me to do it, Minister — in response to a question recently, he said that he is very aware of the obstacles and hindrances to regular work that disabled people face and that he is taking steps to change that. <BR /> <BR />I urge the Assembly to go beyond condemnation and demand real representation where it counts. That means taking your seat in Westminster and speaking up and voting for the people on whom this impacts.”
“The Labour Government, sadly and regrettably, claim that tightening PIP criteria will deliver £5 billion in savings, yet experts have already indicated that it will save a maximum of £100 million. That does not capture and quantify the difficulty and distress that it will put people under. Previous attempts at similar cuts have been ruled unlawful or have been abandoned because they were unworkable. There is no economic case for the changes. I contend that it is purely political. <BR /> <BR />Instead of targeting those in need, the Labour Government should explore fairer ways to raise revenue. Such progressive taxation, as has been alluded to on extreme wealth, needs to be explored.”
“That is very useful information. I am not sure that everybody shares those same figures, but, thank you, Kellie, for reading those in. <BR /> <BR />These are not just rhetorical questions. They genuinely are not. They are essential when we are looking at what we can do here. We support a UK-wide commission, but we need to ensure that it is costed and that the terms of reference are clearly set out. What we do not need — we have talked about this numerous times — is further strategies that are going to sit on a bench. We need to ensure that we take away the barriers that disabled people face, along with higher living costs and worsening financial hardship. The Assembly must reject any reforms that push disabled people further into hardship.”
“One second, please. When we debate these motions, it is really important — there are people watching who have different views on these issues — that we ensure that we are over the detail of what we are talking about.”
“Perhaps the motion could define more accurately what is meant by "superwealthy" when discussing taxation. Perhaps it could define what is meant by "those most in need" when discussing social security. This is a very worthwhile motion, but when —.”
“Those who are elected to represent Northern Ireland at Westminster must be in the room, in the Chamber, using their votes and fighting for fairer policies, otherwise we are merely protesting from the sidelines whilst others dictate the future of our most vulnerable citizens. <BR /> <BR />My colleague Andy Allen said that we will support the motion, but it is also right when we are debating that we ask questions.”
“The Assembly can and should express its opposition to the reforms, and that is what we are doing today, but unless we leverage appropriate influence in Westminster, where those decisions are made, the debate risks becoming just another social media sound bite rather than being a meaningful intervention. Political abstentionism, which can mean choosing not to take up our seats or failing to speak or vote on critical subjects right across the gamut of issues, whether it be the spring statement, any budgetary matter or anything that pertains to the lives of people in the United Kingdom, leaves our constituents feeling helpless, voiceless and powerless. While we debate this motion here, the real decisions will be made in Westminster.”
“Thank you, Madam Principal Deputy Speaker. David did not use his extra minute, so I will maybe take it if that is all right. <BR /> <BR />It is an honour to speak in the debate, which highlights the devastating impact that the Labour Government's approach to what I am going to term "disability benefits reform" could have on some of the most vulnerable people. As has been said, and given the fact that we know about the clear link between poverty and ill health, the proposed cuts and tightened criteria for support will not only deepen poverty but place additional strain on our already overstretched public services. <BR /> <BR />We must acknowledge, however, that if we want to make a real difference, the issue requires action where the power actually resides, which, ladies and gentlemen, is in Westminster.”
“I thank the Minister for his answer. Since the announcement by the Labour Government, the community that has been the most disproportionately affected, maligned and attacked is the disabled community, which will, potentially, be most affected by the changes. Systemic difficulties are faced by many disabled people in achieving work. Can the Minister outline any discussions that he has had with the Labour Government, particularly about the attacks on the disabled community?”
“According to my clock, however, I was in the Chamber at 1.59 pm. May I ask for confirmation of the timing of Question Time? I know that the Speaker has the ability to call it, but, according to Standing Order 20, it starts at 2.00 pm, and I believe that I was in the Chamber at 2.00 pm. Thank you.”
“On a point of order, Madam Principal Deputy Speaker. I apologise for not being in my place today —.”
“I thank the Member for giving way. I do not disagree with him, but, when we talk about fiscal appropriation, it is really important to note that we have campaigned collectively to say that Northern Ireland has been funded under need. That has been pretty new terminology for most of us in the past three or four years; in 2016, we were not even talking about that. Could the figure for that not be offset against the overarching figure? Then, we need to talk about actual figures to which the motion pertains.”
“I thank the Minister for her answer. The Minister referred to the period since the building became defunct. Will she outline at what point security was put on the building? It is my understanding that, certainly from December until March of this year, there was no security and that previous access may well have happened. Will the Minister stand over those periods when accessibility to that sensitive material may have been compromised for people, such as me, who served many years ago? They require that confidence.”
“Multiple reports have highlighted pressures on planning and, indeed, on our climate. I will, however, raise another issue, which is that of the growing number of cold-water dippers, who bathe in cold water in our rivers, lakes, reservoirs and coastal waters. What steps can the Department take in the short and long term to protect those people?”
“It is about the years of hard work, the cold training nights and the sacrifices that each of the players, the training staff, the managers and those who run Dromore Rugby Football Club have put in to achieve what they have. I have, and I am sure that those from Lagan Valley who have an interest in rugby — my colleague John Stewart is hoping to bring better news about Carrick next week after its final —a sense of pride when we say congratulations to all at Dromore Rugby Football Club, and we look forward to future victories.”
“Their skill on the pitch, their camaraderie off the pitch, which I have witnessed, and their unwavering dedication to the sport and to their community make them true champions in every sense of the word. If there is one thing that we know about Dromore Rugby Football Club, it is that the team plays with heart and with that Dromore grit. The team is tough, relentless and always up for a good story, like the time a visiting team called and got to look at the Barban Hill pitch for the first time. The players took one look at the slope and asked which half of the match they would be playing downhill. Someone from Dromore quickly quipped, "Both halves, if you are Dromore". That is the spirit of the club: no excuses, no shortcuts, no guff and just a winning mentality. <BR /> <BR />This victory is not just about lifting the trophy.”
“There is a wee bit of a feeling of déjà vu this week, because, last Tuesday, I stood up and congratulated a couple of Lagan Valley sporting greats — Lucy Best and Wallace High School — and, this week, I will do the very same. I want to heap praise, which is rightly deserved, on Dromore Rugby Football Club. On Saturday, the wee club on the hill secured the Ulster Championship first division with a win over Portadown Rugby Football Club, which is from Upper Bann, so Lagan Valley had the upper hand over Upper Bann on this occasion. <BR /> <BR />Under the exceptional leadership of Mr Hughes, who I was told captained the team, the players showed grit, determination and sheer class, not just on Saturday, when the club secured the league, but all season. It has been an exceptional season for the players.”
“It ensures that we do not simply pay lip service to one tradition while neglecting another. In 2025, we are surely past that moment. <BR /> <BR />Today, I ask Members across the Chamber to look at the amendment in the spirit of fairness and inclusivity. It is not about diminishing Irish but about ensuring that Ulster Scots is treated with the same respect. It is about ensuring that language policy in Northern Ireland is built on equality, not hierarchy, and it is about sending a clear message that we, as an Assembly, respect all traditions, not just some.”
“<BR /> <BR />The Minister has said that his Department is progressing key anti-poverty and disability strategies, both of which are vital and deserve our full support, but let us not forget that other important strategies, including those for Irish and Ulster Scots, gender equality and sexual orientation, remain undelivered. <BR /> <BR />It is time to stop prioritising one language over the other and to ensure that both receive the attention and investment that they deserve. In reality, Ulster Scots has as much of a place in Northern Ireland as Irish. Its contributions to poetry, music and storytelling are just as significant. The Ulster-Scots Agency continues to do fantastic work in promoting and preserving the language — we commend it for that — but it too needs proper support. That is why the amendment matters.”
“Those were not empty gestures but real, substantive measures taken by a Minister from my party. Since then, member groups for speaking Irish and Ulster Scots have grown rapidly. For instance, Conradh na Gaeilge has over 200 member groups, and the Ulster-Scots Community Network has over 400. When we look at that, we see real appetite and interest. <BR /> <BR />Real leadership is about fairness, however, and that means recognising both of Northern Ireland's main linguistic traditions. That is why the commitments to the Irish language strategy and the Ulster-Scots language strategy were made together and why they must be delivered together.”
“Instead of bringing people along, it has driven them away. That is the real problem. Language should be something that unites us rather than something that is forced on communities or used to create division. <BR /> <BR />Let me make one thing clear: my party has never been against promoting language, and I certainly have not. We have a proven track record of delivering on linguistic commitments. When my colleague Michael McGimpsey was Minister of Culture, Arts and Leisure, we took steps to support and develop the Irish language. Under his leadership, Foras na Gaeilge was established, creating a structured cross-border body to support the Irish language. During that time, Irish was lodged under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, fulfilling the commitments made under the Belfast Agreement.”
“are used, it is easy to see why some people feel uneasy and that there is ground to be made up. That kind of rhetoric, which comes from the past, did nothing to promote the Irish language, nor did it make it any more accessible to people such as me. In fact, it did the opposite: it created and fostered division where it did not need to be. It fostered mistrust and alienated not just me but communities of those who might otherwise have embraced the language much earlier. <BR /> <BR />Let us talk about how language has been promoted. If we want communities to embrace linguistic diversity, we need to promote it in a respectful and organic way. Unfortunately, what we have seen in some cases with the imposition of street signs without broad community support, which happened in Belfast City Council, does little to encourage goodwill.”
“Since the 2011 census, there has been a widening of knowledge of both the Irish language and Ulster Scots. Awareness of Irish has increased by 1·7%, and awareness of Ulster Scots has increased by 2·3%. However, let us be honest: language in Northern Ireland has too often been weaponised. It has been turned into a political football by both sides rather than being treated as the cultural asset that it actually is. We are repeatedly told that language should not be something to fear, and I am sure that we all agree with that. However, when language is politicised and phrases such as:”
“That is something to be celebrated, as people have every right to do, but so is the Ulster-Scots language, which has helped shape our literature, our storytelling, our traditions and the very identity of many communities across this place. <BR /> <BR />That is why the amendment is necessary. It does not seek to remove anything from or undermine anything in the original motion; it simply seeks to ensure that Ulster Scots receives the same recognition as Irish. We ask not for special treatment for one over the other but for fairness, for equal recognition and for commitments to both linguistic traditions to be made and honoured. That is what a shared and respectful society should look like. <BR /> <BR />There are stats that underpin why we think that this is important.”
“Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I propose what I believe to be a straightforward, fair and, above all, inclusive amendment. This is not about taking anything away from the Irish language or questioning its significance in our society; instead, it is about ensuring that, when we talk about language strategies, we recognise the rich and diverse linguistic heritage of Northern Ireland in its entirety. We all acknowledge the deep cultural and historical importance of the Irish language. It has been spoken on the island for centuries and has survived significant challenges, and it continues to flourish in education, music, film and community life.”
“I give a special shout out to man of the match, Rio McDonagh. He led the charge with two crucial tries, and he helped captain Jon Rodgers become the first Wallace player to lift the trophy outright, fulfilling a dream that his father started in 1989. I played football with Rio's dad, but I think that he would have been more fit for the rugby pitch. Stevie McDonagh, you missed a beat, but your son did not. <BR /> <BR />Whether it is skiing, rugby or pure Northern Irish grit, we are unstoppable. Lucy, Caolan and Wallace High, congratulations, and thank you for sharing your moments with us.”
“Lucy's success has been celebrated far and wide, with congratulations from her friends at the Live Life Well-Being Centre, the First Minister and the deputy First Minister and, of course, an unforgettable moment when our Special Olympics team met the Irish rugby team at the airport. From looking at the pictures, I think that the Irish rugby team enjoyed it more than our other victors. It was not just Lucy. Caolan McConville from Aghagallon was another gold medal winner at the games. What an achievement and proof that, when it comes to talent, Northern Ireland delivers at every level on every stage. <BR /> <BR />Speaking of historic victories, Wallace High School, on 17 March, after years of near misses, finally lifted the Schools' Cup, defeating Royal School Armagh 24-15 at Kingspan Stadium.”
“Today, we celebrate not just one or two but three outstanding sporting successes. Mr Speaker, I am sure that you will join me in saying that Lagan Valley and beyond can take a bow because we are officially a powerhouse of sporting greatness. <BR /> <BR />First up is the unstoppable Lucy Best, with two gold medals and a bronze at the Special Olympics World Winter Games in Turin. Lucy, you did not just compete; you conquered. You raced down the slopes in the giant slalom and super-G events, despite having trained on dry mats. That would be like training for Wimbledon on a trampoline. Lucy, along with other skiers, was skiing against people who had trained on and were accustomed to snowy slopes. Lucy showed the world true Northern Irish determination and what that looks like.”
“I think about what could have happened, and I am sure that many people in this room have had something similar happen to them. The people in Omagh have been left without truth and justice, and somebody knows what happened. If a Government know and are holding on to the information that would give relief and release to those people, shame on them. I mean it: shame on them. <BR /> <BR />I have not seen the documents that have been mentioned that have redactions and stuff removed or the articles that have been sent. I will not pretend that I have been in this game long enough. However, in 2025, there is absolutely no reason why the Government in the Republic of Ireland should not do what our Government in the UK do, which is fess up and provide the absolute truth for victims of terrorism.”
“He highlighted where the failures were manifested and evidenced in the past. This statistic is incredible: of 110 requests for extradition that were sought by the UK Government from the Republic of Ireland, eight were successful. Why is that important? It is important to just about everybody in this room, I would hope. <BR /> <BR />On 7 December 1989, I made the journey from a butcher's shop to another part of Lisburn. I came out of the shop to witness a policeman waving at me. I had just walked past a car. I kind of knew that it looked suspicious, so I ran past it. Around 40 seconds later, a 500 lb IRA bomb exploded behind my head. In Omagh, sadly, people did not get the chance to run. They did not get the warning that they should have got. I am the lucky one. I am lucky to be standing here.”
“Sometimes we can coalesce around doing the right thing, and the move to reconciliation is needed perhaps more than ever so that the failures of our past can be learned and evidenced. <BR /> <BR />Stewart Dickson spoke of the bravery and the testimony of victims and about prioritising our victims. That should be at the forefront, so that point is absolutely welcome, Stewart. He also said that the UK and the Republic of Ireland need to take further steps. We need to be clear, however, that the message that we send out from the Chamber is that there needs to be either a parallel inquiry or stand-alone inquiries. Warm words will not cut it. <BR /> <BR />Timothy Gaston reminded us that today is European Remembrance Day for Victims of Terrorism. It is absolutely appropriate that that is the case.”
“I agree that the First Minister, the deputy First Minister and the Executive Office absolutely have a role to play in this, as do all the politicians in the Chamber. <BR /> <BR />Matthew O'Toole talked about the immorality of terror. He said a number of times that the two states had a moral and legal obligation to do the right thing. Someone talked about a contested narrative for the past. I am sorry, but I cannot accept that Omagh has anything to do with a contested narrative of the past. There is nothing contested when it comes to the murder of innocent people. <BR /> <BR />Matthew O'Toole also talked about the "squalid Legacy Act". It just shows that, sometimes in the Chamber we can get it right.”
“<BR /> <BR />Nicola Brogan of Sinn Féin said that she had attended sessions of the inquiry, met family members and recognised their pain and anguish. She also recognised the persistence of the victims' campaign. I was reading some of the work that was done in 2010, 2011 and 2012 when false hopes were raised. I think that it was Theresa Villiers at that time who declined to hold a public inquiry. However, persistence does and will pay off, because the situation has to change and the Irish Government will have to act. However, it is not enough that there would be warm words and dry ink. It needs an inquiry in the Republic of Ireland. <BR /> <BR />Paula Bradshaw paid tribute to the victims of the Omagh bombing.”
“The words were warm, and the ink was dry, but it was very evident in the response that there was no intention of entering into a meaningful recovery of truth for the innocent victims in Omagh. Much like some of the calls from Members today for active engagement, that is not enough. It is simply not enough, and one of the reasons why we are here today still talking about it is that active engagement is not enough. We need to tie this down; it needs to be codified; and that needs to be done in an agreement between the UK Government and the Irish Government. <BR /> <BR />I will run through some of the points that were made, because I genuinely appreciate that Members of all the parties represented today spoke and spoke so well.”
“For anyone who has any recollection of the Troubles and can remember what it was like, Omagh, because of its scale and ferocity, is simply unimaginable. There were 29 deaths and over 200 people injured, and many more lives were shattered. The people who died in that bombing were from not just Omagh. There were international visitors and people from different towns, so the legacy spread way beyond Northern Ireland. The fact that that legacy of pain spreads beyond Northern Ireland means that the Government in the Republic of Ireland need to act. <BR /> <BR />A number of years ago, I wrote to the Justice Minister in the Republic about the matter, and I got a response.”
“A stat was fired out that had never struck me before. I think that it was from Timothy Gaston, so I thank you for that, Timothy. I think that it was you, but perhaps not; maybe it was Paula Bradshaw. The statistic was that 15% of the violence over the period of the Troubles was related to the border, but the reality of that was that, if you lived on the border, 100% of the violence was perpetrated in your area. If the violence happened in Belfast or Lisburn, you were slightly detached, but, if you lived in a border area, your life was completely different from that of someone who lived in a town or city.”
“He explained where the vehicle came from, where the explosives were, perhaps, made — certainly where they were stored and where the timer was attached — where they were assembled and where the plan of escape was made from and to. All of that is irrefutable.”
“He revealed, for instance, that, on that day, when he turned up to the site, he found that his mum had been caught up in the explosion. She was standing with a toothbrush and the shards of a plastic bag that had been ripped out of her grasp in her hand. As they looked around the scene and saw what looked like, in Paddy's words, "a scene from Vietnam"; it looked as though a napalm bomb had destroyed the centre of their town. The horrors that those people faced — this was four months after the Good Friday Agreement and the work that had been done to deliver peace — showed that there were still those who were so bound by fear and hate that they would perpetrate such a violent act. <BR /> <BR />I thought that Doug Beattie proposed the motion very well. He laid down a lot of irrefutable facts about that fateful day.”
“The Justice Minister, however, has no more of a fist in this game than the rest of us. I believe that she set out quite well that she has been on record previously on the matter. <BR /> <BR />I was looking through and listening to some of the testimonies at the inquiry in Omagh so far. I make no excuse for this, but a former colleague of mine gave testimony at the inquiry. I joined the fire service in February 2000, and Paddy Quinn, who was a retained firefighter in Omagh, joined on the same day with me. Unbeknown to me — it was a long time before Paddy shared his story — he was one of the first emergency responders to attend the Omagh bomb site on that day. Much of his story — he told it to us in broken fashion — was not revealed until this year.”
“Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. This is the final debate of the day. It is serious, and it is incumbent on all of us to remember those whom we are here to represent and speak on behalf of. I am a bit nervous: to be fair to those who have spoken thus far, the debate has been respectful. I hope that those who are watching will understand the intent of our motion in respect of seeking truth and justice for innocent victims of terrorism. <BR /> <BR />I will touch very briefly on the amendment. I thank the DUP for tabling it. It is useful, except that it is a bit clumsy towards the end. In reality, when we bring a motion to the House and are looking at the vires that we have for instructing any other legislature, whether that be Westminster or the Republic, it is important that we do that with a collective voice — that is accepted.”
“A fairer, more inclusive service without any loss of efficiency. The same can and should happen in agriculture. It is time that we asked the Minister — as we are doing — to step into that space and implement real reforms that ensure that women are not just supporting farm businesses but leading them. Let us break the grass ceiling once and for all.”
“She recalled how, as a 16-year-old aspiring farmer, she was steered away from farming by her careers teacher, not because she lacked the ability but, perhaps, because she was a girl. How many talented young women have been pushed down a different path because of the same outdated thinking? <BR /> <BR />If other sectors can recognise and remove structural barriers, why can we not do it in agriculture? I will give some personal experience. The Fire Service, in which I used to work, once assumed that you could succeed only with a certain physical reach or strength. Instead of continuing to exclude capable recruits, the Fire Service designed out those barriers: it adapted ladders, reduced equipment weight without sacrificing performance and mechanised tasks where possible. What was the result?”
“Running a farm today, we know, involves far more than that: financial planning, regulatory compliance, environmental management and navigating layers of bureaucracy that are burdensome yet essential. Let us be clear: the financial pressures facing farm families have never been more severe. Women are already central to farm businesses, often taking on essential but undervalued roles while being excluded from areas such as farm leadership, decision-making and land ownership. <BR /> <BR />The problems start much earlier, beyond the farm gate. Careers advice in schools has not been fit for purpose. I will speak about a leading female farmer, a woman whom I admire greatly. Lorraine Killen is a leading voice in the sector. She spoke about the inheritance tax changes at the recent UFU conference at the Eikon Exhibition Centre.”
“Multiple reports, including the 'Breaking the Grass Ceiling' legacy report from my Committee, have laid bare the obstacles: limited access to land; traditional inheritance practices; lack of financial support; exclusion from decision-making roles; and, as many Members have picked up on today, training opportunities that do not account for the realities that women face. The evidence is there — the need for change is undeniable — yet, unless we deliberately challenge and change the narrative in every room where the conversation happens, we will be doomed to rinse and repeat the failures. <BR /> <BR />One of the most persistent cultural barriers is the outdated view of faming as purely heavy manual labour.”
“Many times, when we talk in the Chamber about agriculture, we recognise that farming is the backbone of our rural economy. Farming is absolutely massive and so important, yet half of the population who live rurally face systemic and cultural barriers to entering it and thriving in it. Women are significantly under-represented across agriculture, not due to a lack of skill, passion or determination but because the sector remains shaped by outdated structures and attitudes that favour male succession, male decision makers and male workforce norms.”
“We had a debate on that subject two weeks ago: a private Member's motion that was brought by Claire Sugden. We must ensure that we are not forgetting or neglecting our obligations towards our elders and older members of the community who are deaf. They could provide essential testimony as to the impacts and their life experiences. I understand and accept that, whilst it seems like a long extension to request, it is much better that we get it right than get it done.”